S4E11.5: The Mission

Devon, I forgive you.

This movie is kind of the worst of both worlds, because it's both a White Savior/Noble Savage story and also a "Indigenous Peoples are already doomed" story. It's heart might be in the right place, but it's too deeply stuck in Imperialist Ideology.

I feel like a message that can be interpreted from this movie is that trying to hold yourself to the rules of the existing institution which is directly responsible for enabling the crimes against humanity that you are fighting against is a fools errand. The Jesuit ideals of Gabriel are in direct contradiction with what The Catholic Church and Spanish Empire want to do, and trying to continue being a passivist and not break the rules or cause trouble doesn't fucking work. If you want to actually help people and stop atrocity, you need to leave behind that old institution; preserving The Church is not worth all these innocent lives. Reform < Revolution But then the movie just goes "Actually, violent resistance doesn't work either, these people were just doomed from the beginning", and you're left with this faux doomerism that asserts that indigenous peoples were and are already dead.

While you're doing Catholic movies, how about Constantine?

Having listened to the comments at the end of this episode about the cinematic treatment of indigenous americans, I am now curious to hear KJB’s reaction to Last of the Mohicans (1992).

The Mark David Chapman joke was aaaaaaaaaaaaaces

okay I love Devon so much for the insert double gag, it ruined me

highly recommend a better movie (that is actually gay) about indigenous issues, religious repression of these cultures in latin america, and colonialism (and neocolonialism!) called Sueño en otro idioma (I dream in another language)

Liam Neeson fact: this movie came out the same year he guest starred on Miami Vice

Moral of the story: God's blessing and support flows from the barrel of a gun. Kill that cardinal.

Showing little pictures of Jesus and going "have you seen this guy?" Brings to mind a fascinating imaginary religion where we believe the Messiah has already come, but is dodging His responsibility to Destiny and all that, so an international manhunt ensues

The vibes of Devon’s joke were so strong I didn’t even notice they messed up and got the wrong song.

My version had a post credit scene of the cardinal staring straight down the barrel of the lens

I thought this was an interesting film to connect with the then-ongoing South American dirty wars and ongoing Reagan era Monroe doctrine shit, if only to provide an angle on the inadequacies the podcast already covered.

This is actually free on Tubi

Would 'The Grand Budapest Hotel' count as a heist film? I love that one and would love to hear their take on it.

I love when Devon goes fujoshi mode

If we're going to continue with 'Religion Season' I would like to request Immaculate (2024)

"Incongruous on a Horse", was my band in high school.

"We are Catholics. We believe in the teachings of Cathol and everything he stood for..."

Can't wait to hear November's take on Conclave! Especially the monologue on doubt delivered in the beginning by Lawrence

Devon carrying all their podcasting equipment up a hill as penance for fumbling the joke

This is a truly surreal experience for me. I am half Paraguayan and hearing the combined Kill James Bond talking about the Guarani, made my brain buffer. Paraguay is often ignored, or when alluded to for a joke is relegated to shit hole, Nazi Safe Haven or someway shifty (even Charlie and the Chocolate Factory isn't safe from this). The languages spoken in Paraguay are Spanish (Castellano) and Guarani, and often the two are mixed in and out of each other in conversation. In a weird reverse of the Irish/English language dynamic in Ireland (where I'm also from - I still remember Patriot Games), where everything is written in Irish and English but Irish is largely not spoken often - Very little in Paraguay has written Guarani, even though its common part of everyday speech. Thanks for reading!

The Hobbit was mentioned during this episode. Does that mean we're finally getting it as a robbery season episode?

Just responding to the question in the opening. Catholic (at least round these parts) say "peace be with you", to which the response is "and also with you". This is now also the cannon response to "may the force be with you" to the relief of nerds rainsed catholic everywhere because it's a hard reflex to repress. I think the "and with your spirit" thing might be protestant but in fairness I haven't been to church since before Benedict was pope and he changed a lot of the words by having everything retranslated from the Latin literally. I remember there was a period when everyone was upset that the English mass didn't make grammatical sense anymore.

Absolutely watching this film when I get a minute. Still not hearing my name mentioned at the end tho... have I done something to offend?

Anybody know if that was a joke about pirating creative works rather than paying for them or if that was serious? As someone who has been told, "Why should I pay for your [creative work] when I can get it for free?", the joking about not paying for creative work on the podcast is depressing. It's come up on more than one episode, and it's actually starting to get to me.

The Fitzcarraldo reference reminded me how I YEARN for y'all to do a Werner Herzog film at some point.

I like big milkshakes

Wet, Cold, Jesuit Summer

I love so much that Abigail also doesn't speak religion, just like me ❤️ Her also not knowing the terminology makes me feel included.

Gonna have to drag all your podcasting stuff up a waterfall to redeem that manged joke lol

If you are going to do a season based around bad movies about indigenous struggle then I want to recommend The Emerald Forest, a movie about an uncontacted tribe in Brazil that kidnaps the blonde haired blue eyed son of an American engineer there to build a dam or mine or something. The blonde haired blue eyed boy is adopted by the tribe and grows up to be a quirked up blue eyed blonde haired white boy who becomes the chieftain or shaman for the tribe after they fail to stop the White People, and in a magic frog trip manages to summon an epic rainstorm to wash away the dam.

Abi’s idea ~6:00 of confessing to a priest that you’re murdering him is something that was done in In Bruges, to Ciaran Hinds!

I think the musical instrument Devon was thinking of was a Hurdy Gurdy

I have something to say about this movie. The Mission statement, if you will...

Dev, Nova and Abi can't see the huge grin on my face as it was announced that they are going to do the Fast Saga.

Absoloutely fiending for the "A Serious Man" episode very excited to hear the analysis

I watched this in class at my Jesuit highschool and it was a weird experience. I'm not sure what we were supposed to get from seeing it but as a burgeoning queer pagan, I didn't get the memo. Also, Conclave lets fucking goooooooooooo.

While I don’t want Nova to disassociate, I do really want to see you guys talk about Conclave.

“All transporters are Jason Statham vehicles, but not all JS vehicles are transporters…“

I watched this in 2007 after renting it from an independent dvd rental store. The guy working had it up on the tv. He’s also how I found out about The Duellists

Ngl, I think I’m preferring the bonus feed religion season to the main feed heist season. Please do continue with the religion theme!

You wanna talk about sounding incongruous, check out Harvey Keitel in The Duellists (love that movie)

I watched this movie in High School Spanish class. Shoutout to Ms. Chinian, you did not do a good job teaching Spanish but you had great taste in film.

Not this dropping the same day that KJB highlights does Stellan Skarsgard breaking through the lesbian forcefield. She likes her boys haggard, muddy and dehydrated

"A cool instrument like an oboe"

Devon really practicing contrition and repentance this episode in that cutaway, maybe we’re too deep into Catholic season.

When you think about it, colonialism is also heist season.

I have been at the Iguazu falls 14 years ago. It’s both terrifying and beautiful at the same time. Mostly because at least back then, you could just go on a pier above the falls with just a thigh high fence. One of my school mates lost a hat because it was sucked in by the air pressure. One of the places of all time though. 10/10 can recommend!