S4E8.5: Devil's Advocate

The job interview scene on the top of the sky scraper with no rails was so terrifying for me. Really tense and well done. EDIT: It's kind of ironic, given the whole capitalism is satanic thing, that they should vodou as being satanic when that was capitalist (and indeed slaver) propaganda going back to the Haitian revolution. Many of the revolutionaries practiced west African religions (obviously) and the slavers linking that to satan was part of their claim to being "benevolent civilisers" and also to show the dangerous threat of letting black people have freedom. So to have vodou be shown as satanic in the same movie that shows capitalism as being satanic feels a bit ignorant.

does putting your hair up really ruin it? asking for the me

Fun fact: no one can technically be a convicted pedophile because pedophile is a medical/clinical term and not a legal one. You might ask, why is that important? Well, the devil is in the details....

Floridian here, I want to weigh in real quick about the Gainesville southern accent thing, but yes, many people in North Central Florida do speak with a southern accent. (Well, at least they used to before the internet started completely destroying regional dialects in the southern US but that's a different conversation.)

Jeffery Jones is "The Door Guy" in Hunt for Red October. I was screaming this at the podcast when you did that episode!

The only thing that could make this movie more fun would be Keanu actually having to defend Pachino from gods punishment

I look forward to you covering a companion piece to this: Angel Heart (1987)

My living room is dead on the bright lime green. Hell yeah for colorful houses that make us happy

This really made me want to hear you all talk about some occult style horror movies

I loved this movie as a teen, and was worried it wouldn’t hold up in my thirties, but man was I wrong. I rewatched it last night after the podcast and god fucking damn they really do not make em like this anymore. I was smiling ear to ear for the entire final showdown, watching Al Pacino act like a total fucking goofball. He truly is a national treasure I probably would have hated this movie 5 years ago, but the bad CGI, weird pacing/editing, and general hamminess of the movie is super endearing to me now

As someone who got their ears pierced just long enough ago where I can start changing the jewelry, hearing y’all briefly describe Keanu Reeve’s removing Charlize Theron’s earrings with his teeth made me shudder so bad lmao

Great episode

I’ve never been more glad I trusted my instincts to shut off the episode in the first few minutes to go away and watch the movie first. What a fucking ride. They quite literally do not make em like this anymore

I have a feeling Abigail would of made a great lawyer. I am told acting techniques are quite valuable to barristers in emphasising points to juries. But the world for lots of people is far more colourful because of her chosen path.

This makes me want to revisit my idea for a slice of life comic about The Wh*re of Babylon. The idea is that she was supposed to corrupt the great leaders of the world to prepare for Armageddon but they're all already so corrupt without any help that she has a lot of downtime and is just kind of vibing.

wonder if the yellow wall paint in the apartment is a Yellow Wallpaper reference, what with all the isolating-the-wife-and-driving-her-insane stuff

If you'd like to continue the religious themes for the next bonus, I think the Ben Affleck/Matt Damon movie "Dogma" would make for some INCREDIBLE Content™

"I'm in New York City, there are demons flying around " Smash cut to NYPD helicopter

I don't think "abogado del diablo" was a very common phrase in Mexico when I was growing up so whenever I saw the term "playing devil's advocate" the movie's poster was the first thing I thought about.

I would love a KJB does the Devil season. One of my favorite literary devices. My favorite deal with the devil story of course being Toy Story 2.

Ok that reveal scene is insanely good

Think this film, despite being much better, believes a lot of the same things as a hallmark flick.

Uber, *mumble mumble mumble*, this is a little quiet, let me just "WELCOME PEDOPHILES!"

The whole "sixty straight wins until you actually have to defend a guilty person" is hilariously also how it goes in the original Ace Attorney trilogy. Phoenix Wright has an absolutely flawless track record until he has to defend an actual murderer, and there he manages to contrive a situation where the guy either goes to prison or gets assassinated so that the defendant confesses right before the judge gives a not guilty verdict

Also fun facts! This project was stalled in pre-production until the OJ Simpson trial. Suddenly producers were into a movie about satanic lawyers! Keanu Reeves took a pay cut so that they could afford Al Pacino. That nine-circles-of-subway version of the script had Brad Pitt in the lead role. John Cusack and Edward Norton were both considered. Al Pacino turned the script down *five times* before it became a version he liked. At one point he told the studio to offer it to Sean Connery.

Tbh I always thought that the final scene isn't a time reset, Kevin had precognition of how events would go In the jury selection scene, he doesn't just show preternatural insight, what he identified in each juror are the sins they harbor in their hearts (pride, wrath, etc) and what they'd do with it In the bathroom he was close to Satan (in disguise) and he was pondering the right thing to do. In that moment, probably the most introspective of his adult life, he looked into *himself* and saw a vision of what would happen if he gave in to pride

Love this movie, and it definitely nudged me toward my law degree. Oops.

OK, you got my $7. Please do Blues Brothers.

A small detail I noticed in the church scene is that there is a bite mark on the back of Charlize Theron’s shoulder that literally would’ve had to have been done by someone else, and yet because Keanu’s character has lawyer brain her statements are enough evidence to him that she is crazy that he doesn’t even try to trust her.

I’ve always been bothered by the demon faces in this movie. Legit unsettling.

"advertisement for heterosexuality" i don't fucking think so that's a bisexual commercial if i've ever seen one

Abbi go make twoap talk about the adventures of baron munchausen.

The accent isn't great. I go to school here in Gainesville and like, it's a university town and the home of one of the bigger universities at that, but it's always fun to hear the Drawliest Accent for Florida

I have to say, a motivational Satan is a funny thing.

fascinated by the cosmological genetics of this movie. like i wonder if pacinos logic was like “well they’re both 50% satan, so by a basic punit square there’s a 25% chance their kid is 100% satan” and that’s all he needs for an antichrist. just someone else who is also satan.

"People keep asking me if I'm going to suck those toes. And I'm thinking yeah I'm going to suck those toes."

In Truman Show, one of the first signs that True man realizes he's in a Garden of Eden soundstage (and was put there by Christ of) is when a star falls from the sky, in the morning. That's especially fun because two scenes of that movie were filmed in my hometown, on literally the roads that I drove to school and work on, and I was raised sheltered, in a Christian cult, by family who knew the cult wasn't real. So you have no idea how cathartic Truman Show was for me This movie, and the Jack Reacher book / show Kiling Floor, both make them same mistake about the American south of saying "a black person? In the south?!" when, like... That's where the black people live. The Jack Reacher novels Killing Floor AKA Reacher season 1, has a black detective who is stuck in Georgia and yearns to get back to Boston. Because British author Lee Child is thinking "North vs South" and not "Black capital of the US vs notoriously racist Boston". Child also writes Arkansas hillbillies saying "taking the mick" and talks about "kerbs" My Cousin Vinny is one of the most accurate, respectful portrayals of the South I've ever seen, and you'll notice that about half of the background characters are black people. Because it takes place in Alabama, where black people live. Everyone please watch Andor, it is one of the most powerful, well acted pieces of anti imperialism and anti prison pieces of fiction I've ever seen

Good to have AJ on. After John Avery Whitaker I imagine the literal Devil is a refreshingly morally good character for him to talk about.

Didn't twig the reference to "The Yellow Wallpaper" until now.

I did that "Let me tell you about God" monologue. It got me a job back in college 😊

I opened my phone saw the update and the topic and let get with my best Al Pacino "refreshing" that I could muster because all the trees in NE Florida are trying murder me.

Can I get my name read at the end? "KJB plz do the secret 6th oceans film, Logan Lucky" I upped my sub to ask and get my name read, pretty please Dev or Nate?

I saw this movie in Tallahassee when it was first premiered. For those that don't know, Tallahassee is the home of Florida State University. FSU's arch rival is The University of Florida, which is located in Gainesville. So when Charlize Theron wails, "I don't wanna go back to Gainesville!" it got a great big laugh. That's what I most remember about this movie, other than Al Pachino dialing it up to eleven.

also yay AJ's back!

HE'S AN ABSENTEE LAAAAANDLORD!