S4E7: Ocean's 8

If they try this again and go with the title "Oceans" as November suggested, what if it were a sea heist? Bring back the pirate movie. Oceans are now highstreets and freighters are banks. Napoleon controls the Eurozone.

"It's great how you casually name drop a road..." "Surprisingly down to earth and very curvy" absolutely got me

"Haven't lost a pope yet, 2025" there's still time, and also lol

How have you guys not watched “Miss Congeniality” yet?

I looked up Helena Bonham Carter before listening to the episode to see if she was canceled and found out she's still supporting Depp and Rowling (and implied the main cast of HP only support trans rights lest their fans cancel them) so I was like Oh ok that explains it and then listened and found out they just don't like her lol

I do not understand Devon's distaste for NYC, it's a great city.

I remember hearing that Bullock and Blanchett were supposed to be a couple and the studio made them cut it, which would explain a lot

Based on the throwaway joke near the end, I would love an all-girl Master And Commander: Fem Side of the World

Fun fact: Mindy Kaling's brother wrote a book about pretending to be black in order to succeed in academia despite affirmative action

I can't believe you're skipping the final soderbergh heist movie! Logan Lucky! It's got Daniel Craig

the other oceans movies are homosocial and this one isnt because under the regime of heterosexuality the only people who can love-and-be-loved are straight men and they can only love other straight men

is that how you say mindy kaling

some considerations on the SCUM score: Cultural Insensitivity-the white women all debate if they can force the black woman to deadname herself Unprovoked violence-Sandra Bullock holds a ahiv to the guy while threatening him, amd a major part of the heist is poisoning a woman. Misogyny-For all the film loves to insist on "only women", the actual heist is pulled off by one man.

Wait until Abigail finds out about the cartier Lincoln Town Car

Ah, wasn't the Ukrainian line an Indiana Jones joke?

So in the jazz outro at the end of this one, Devon mentions Shrek (2001) as an example of a movie that has to be about being trans because it came out before 9/11. And I think they mean it as a joke, but Shrek is 100% a movie about being trans. Like, you know the bit near the end of the movie where Fiona vents her internalized ogrephobia to Donkey, but she's still closeted so Shrek thinks she's talking about him? Or how Fiona spends most of the movie struggling to perform normative non-ogre behavior but eventually relaxes into doing more and more ogre stuff once she feels safe to do so around Shrek who is very unapologetically an ogre? Or how Shrek's struggle to connect with other people is rooted in his very rational belief that "it's the world that seems to have a problem with me"?

Who is mispronouncing Cartier? Americans, straight people, hippies, the poor... I only learned how to say Versace from Showgirls.

Regarding the met gala I've been researching the history of chess for a couple of years and about half of the important artifacts are in the met museum, the other half are in the British museum, the national museum of Scotland has a few that the British museum forgot to take (no literally) and the oldest chess set ever found are in a little museum in Uzbekistan. Oh wait they've just been moved to the British Museum. It's a tiny snapshot of how world history is commodified but I think it's pretty representative.

Abby can do Ocean's 9, Devon can do Ocean's 10 as a non binary cast and November can do Ocean's are now battlefields, the period piece heist set during the age of sail.

It did feel like the movie twisted itself into knots to have the shots of the gang walking down the steps in eveningwear and fancy jewels, and then the crown jewels twist renders that whole scene moot anyway since the whole plot it had been trying to get us invested in was just a small-scale distraction from the actual, boring heist.

Off the back of this episode, I really want to see kjb do the 2000s st trinians movies

any chance for the paul blast mall cop 2 and/or 1 movies? they’re technically heist movies, or maybe anti-heist movies? either way would be hilarious

my lover has a 3d printer and that thing has been having a bunch of small print failures lately, and it's taken him a while to figure out exactly which settings are the problem and how to rectify them. so the second the cubic zirconium printer appeared i imagined debbie ocean bent over the spaghettied ruins of a failed print of the hope diamond or whatever, furiously scrolling reddit for solutions and tearing her hair out bc she's on a fucking deadline

Something I've not seen mentioned is that they reuse the music from the Gilroy sex-pheromone scene in Ocean's 13 in this film. It plays when they're getting into the Met Gala and really showing off the opulence of the place, which is... A weird parallel, accidental or otherwise?

An actually good introductory sequence of a character fresh out of prison running small retail cons (credit card fraud, pawn shop laundering) to build up some seed money is contained in the The first Parker novel The Hunter, and is really well portrayed in the otherwise lackluster film adaptation Payback. (The Hunter was fantastically adapted as Point Blank but that version does not contain the opening scams)

I love that the joke from Disco Elysium "Are women bourgeois?" with the answer "yes" is just the core thesis of this film

Are you gonna do the new DnD movie since it is a heist movie?

I actually am really glad that Abby has switched to "suck my dick" jokes. She deserves to feel good about herself and it helps me too. Jokes about self-harm always bring up bad thoughts for me. Good luck, Abby! I hope the therapy is helping!

Wait, we aren't doing Logan Lucky Next? The Elden Ring to Ocean's Dark Souls. Or as it lovingly refers to itself as "Ocean's 7-11". It also has the first instance of Daniel Craig's southern accent.

Btw Awkwafina was amazing in The Farwell

it’s called that because it’s where you getty the images

Looking forward to more heists.

I belueve this movie would be 10\10 if it were jersey mikes

Tbf abt pronouncing Cartier I always thought you pronounced the r in the name like “car tee air”, and I *think* there’s a baby keem song that pronounces it the same way

A jewellers loupe at that distance would make the image smaller, but they got the upside down bit right

Request for spy, non-femme non-heist movie "Get Smart" with Steve Carrell. This pod would make a ton of hay out of it. (Anti-)fatness, cosmetic surgery, weaponised homosexuality, Anne Hathaway getting FFS, masculinity, post-Soviet market reform jokes, anti-fatness, Terence Stamp, Patrick Warburton, Alan Arkin

Dev's comment about how casually you can depict a former Mossad guy as a complete psycho during this time reminded me of the one season and done Sacha Baron Cohen show Who is America, which also came out in 2018, where he's basically doing Ali G but with a whole bunch of characters. One of them is an incredibly over the top depiction of an israeli man called Erran Morrad, who is former Mossad officer and who is just a complete gleeful psychopath, an utter sadist. I can't decide if it aged extremely well or extremely poorly but it's really fucking weird he did that.

Carti-eating da pussy? Is this anything

Al had him killed and put him in the wall Cask of Dunkachino style

Killing Cartier was the worst Bill O'Reilly book

sounds like it was a miserable watch for you all but it was a pretty great discussion.

Would LOVE to hear you discuss Love Lies Bleeding!

It wasa di pohp

A Cate Blanchett chef film would be "Tartare"

We had movies about 9/11 before 2001. Just at the time we assumed they were about Vietnam because we hadn't heard of 9/11 yet. But of course Vietnam was actually about 9/11.

I remember being excited for this cause of the cast, watching while On Substances and kinda tired and going uhhh that wasn’t very good was it? Then watching it stone cold sober and going oh …oh this is not good at all. There’s just far too much James Corden, which is a crime. Also recommending WIDOWS once again cause it’s the best description of how big city US government actually works in person which is to say extremely corrupt and petty

I dig on Abi wondering how Americans might pronounce Cartier in the same podcast as she drops Mindy Ka-Ling like she is related to Superman

It's wild that this movie exists because of a Tumblr post about Rihanna and Lupita Nyong'o looking like heist characters at Cannes in 2014. The caption was "They look like they’re in a heist movie with Rihanna as the tough-as-nails leader/master thief and Lupita as the genius computer hacker,” and they couldn't even follow that solid gold blueprint!

Hello I re-started my membership despite having almost no money rn because I want so badly to recommend the movie Widows with Viola Davis, aka the other Women Doing a Heist movie that came out in 2018, much more serious, idk if better I haven't seen it since it was in cinemas, but the potential conversation there is so interesting

If devon liberates the USA they'll be getting the craziest pick and pussy since Normandy

WRT NCIS and Israel, see also Skip Intro's video on the subject. I'm not sure how much of it is new to anybody, but it's always good to hear it laid out. https://youtu.be/oRtRDeopt40

Common mentioned! you should watch the 2008 movie "smoking aces" it's kind of a heist movie! and Common is in it! what more do you need?

I have been looking forward to this one! Do you guys have Logan Lucky on the board for heist season? I remember finding it funny and endearing (at least for the most part), but it has been several years since I've seen it

Devon's american Cardi-A bit was striaght up too funny and completely disabled me bravo i hope they deploy that accent on other podcasts too lmaoooooooo

"I would eat Cartier's pussy" This needs to be Abi's epitaph

Bubger Kirg: Have it in a way.

Are y'all gonna do 2001 mother/daughter con game movie Heartbreakers starring Sigourney Weaver, Gene Hackman, Anne Bancroft, Ray Liotta and Jennifer Love Hewitt, among others, by any chance? I'm not so much recommending the film as one to watch as I am just really wanting to hear an hour and a half of whatever you three make of it.

You guys talking about subway made me think of the prevalence of subway in Korean dramas. Kdramas are nutritious for really bad product placements. I feel like subway sponsored A LOT of kdramas for a while

Can't wait for next week - the Wicker Man is my favourite movie of all time. Been really hoping you cover it at some point!

Devon: calling my first name (James) out while I'm pouring cereal and listening to this during breakfast prep and I'm so startled/pleased by it that I turn to look back at the phone playing the podcast with my torso instead of turning my head and thus pour cereal all over the kitchen floor. Me: Worth it.

You MUST watch "Sneakers" (1992). I'm begging you.

Do they think homosociality is exclusively male/masculine, or are they saying the girl heist isn’t a social activity?

The only thing I know about Awkwafina is that her name sucks and she does/did blaccent a lot

Happy heist season everyone!

Gods I did not expect a NCIS reference in this episode, and yet....

Why am I being singled out about the luxury stealing?!

Debbie?

Helena Bonham Carter's uncle is buried next to the man who was essentially my surrogate grandfather. Ironically her uncle accidentally blew himself up with gunpowder in an iron pipe and the shrapnel killed him at 17. She's also related to Asquith one of the only liberal party (now lib dem) prime ministers.

My agent told me that Common would attend the opening of an envelope I can't tell if they genuinely don't know why Helena Bonham Carter has been canceled or they're just doing a bit to avoid that subject It's funny that Abigail's guess of how American might mispronounce Cartier is to pronounce it correctly, with an American accent. I think an American would mispronounce it by pronouncing the r at the end of the word. Car-tee-yer. Also Abi is saying Mindy KuhLING and now I'm wondering if KAYling is wrong Speaking of the Mossad thing, in the Ender's Game novel, one of the kids tells him that the military leaders of Earth always try to scout Israeli children because of their innate elite level of military strategy. The actress who plays the Mossad agent in NCIS is from Chile

Wait they did lose a pope! John Paul I! Edit: it would have been HILARIOUS if they'd gotten George Clooney to cameo for the met gala as George Clooney. They did it for 12 but since his character is canonically dead it would be funny

This is not a good movie. I do however enjoy it immensely.

Feminism is planning a heist with your girls to get back at a man. The ultra Bechdel