Fireside Chat for WWW ep11 "Promises Promises"

In 2026 and I love Grant catching strays on this one

“If you come into this world, you get what you get” is EXACTLY the imperialist argument for immigration and Suvi serves the empire! Was a CHILLING line

Please can we have a list of Brennan's favourite books/resources about Celtic mythology. I'm also a huge fan and want to sink my teeth further into this folklore, having studied bits at uni.

NO LOOSE ENDS

So this is why Lou Wilson as Pinocchio in D20's Neverafter names his ram buddy Senator

The SUNY Ulster athletics department died a little inside somewhere when Brennan recorded this episode

For Erika - thank you for the shoutout to Lady Cluck and Maid Marian playing badminton in Robin Hood. 1) Lady Cluck is a legend. 2) what I love about badminton is you can wang as hard as you want on that birdie and you won’t hurt yourself or anyone else.

Hard to believe it was more than two years ago when I first listened to this, still a banger

But also a 1 to 9 system is better if were talking middle numbers.

Brennan your math is pedantic in needlessly specific ways.

Pretty cool that Lisa Gilroy also talks about the "Parts" concept in the Earnest-est episode of Game Changer!

*Spoiler* Listening back to this and I honestly think it’s really cool how Aabria’s rolls get better as Suvi gets more aligned with her true purpose as the story progressed through the arcs. It’s like the dice are telling Suvi “shhhh stop being a snarky lil wizard and show some respect” idk

1 to 7 is the best rating system, and I will die on this hill

Using 7 as my number scale from here on out

Brennan that was great Spanish!!!!!

Hey all, could be a just me issue, but these episodes are showing as "moved or deleted" on pocket casts

Five is only the middle of ten if zero is an option

7 is perfect because you have a true middle (4) as well as a high middle (6) and a low middle (2)

Brennan out here acting like the likart scale isn’t 1-7. Come on my guy get with the standard measurements

BALANCE: 1, 2, 3, [4], 5, 6, 7 “ORDER”: 1, 2 3, 4, [5, 6], 7, 8, 9, 10

I have never clearly had the thought, "No Brennan is wrong about that", until he said that the middle of 1-10 rating is 5. Middle of 1-7 is 4. and the middle of 1-10 is 5.5. And I thought of that only because of the average dice roll of a 1d10 is 5.5. Cheers Aabria for pointing that out as I was yelling it to myself in my office.

“I want to be in the learning casino” didn’t enough respect

Wow, this particular fireside is just wall to wall wisdom bombs on playing, dming, and life.

1-7 is making me very angry and actually uncomfortable, I do not know why. I'm coming for you Gunz for putting this in my brain lol

Aabria is doing a fantastic job with Suvi. I freaking hate her. I can't stand her at all, the character is so full and rich and fleshed out. I can't even imagine what would change my mind on her but I can't wait to see what happens.

I found you on Duolingo :) My username is Inigo--Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die. 🌊🗡

I agree with adonis on this, there is no middle to 10, 5 and 6 share it

The end was oof.

Ame cleaning the temple reminded me of Danielle Barkstock cleaning the temple after Stone Temple Pile Up, along with the rest of The Seven. It felt a almost like a callback

I want to follow y'all on Duo 🥺

I cannot believe the Fireside Chat has brought up my favorite obscure ancient meme, "I'd give it a perfect 5/7"

Ciao amici! Sono indietro e sto correndo per recuperare tutti gli episodi e, maremma, che gran lavoro! I am using italian to better express my joy, I'm so grateful to have found this piece of media and art. Thank you so much! And if you ever want to practice italian, ehi, let me know! Baci da Ferrara!

Halfway between 1 - 10 is 5.5, while halfway between 1 - 7 is 4

Adonis is correct that a 1-7 scale does have a natural middle point that a 1-10 scale doesn't

I'm very very late to these comments, so I don't know if someone shared this already, but there's a Snopes entry about that image of the fox and the hounds! It's from a Photoshop contest! https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fox-and-the-hounds/

Me encantó escuchar el español de Brennan

i’m behind and catching up but i really love the discussion of the witch class because like. i’m always a big fan of buckling down into the source of magic for each class and how the witch class it seems like it’s. like communal responsibility almost? it’s such an interesting root for a character.

Okay but how is Brennan going to react when he finds out that the IB DP program is fully built on a 7 scale

I think an agree/disagree situation is a useful way to illustrate the logic of the 1-7 scale (strongly, in between, and somewhat agree/disagree on either side, neutral in the middle)

Which Calm sleep story did mr Guntz mean? I can’t find the one about the Tuatha Dé Dannan. Overall I give this episode a perfect 5 out of 7.

I absolutely agree with Brennan that diplomacy and compassion is such an undervalued trait in our world and in our stories. That's why growing up I always clung to those rare characters that got treasured for their kindness, it meant so much to me to see

I need to see the image that was referred to of a fox blending in with hunting hounds!!

I half expected Brennan to yell “get in the comments!” After Mr. Gunz dropped that 1-7 scale.

OK FINE I have joined Duolingo this week to pick back up the Spanish I haven’t practiced since highschool/college

36:25 where Brennan casually acts out a whole scene of a TPK, moments before disaster, was one of the best things I've ever listened to. The whole cast is truly so amazing and every new episode just proves it!

brennannnnn, as a quantitative researcher, a 7-point-likert-scale is *peeerfectly* reasonable and valid ! 🦊❤️‍🔥

Who’s gonna tell Brennan that in Australia our GPAs are measured on a scale of 1-7…

Y’all, Silo is good TV if you need something to do right now. Fingers crossed to listen in the morning, but I love y’all and hope you’re doing well while we all wait at varying degrees of patience.

They've mentioned having a lot of episodes recorded ahead of these firesides, it makes me wonder how far ahead they are and when recording started for the podcast?

in which Brennan is destroyed by Likert Scales

How has no ome mentioned that the 7 vs 10 argument totally depends on if you include 0, do a 0-10 scale, baddabing baddaboom balanced

It's a dumb, fun movie but when I think of someone resisting the allure of violence I think of The Rundown with The Rock's character constantly resisting the urge to pick up a gun. Granted, he eventually does and it's amazing, but like I said it's a dumb fun movie lol

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likert_scale for Brennan

7

"A miniskirt of a sleeping bag" 😂

Not sure where to ask question, but here goes. Are witches only female? I'm guessing not, but I'm unsure since we've only see Ame and Grandma Wren. Can't wait to for it to be released to the public!

Love Erika freaking out about new Brennan lore, because same

7 scales are often used for psychology tests (the mbti being a famous example). Love you guys, is all fun and games

god, that's so true. Suvi trying to be everything to everyone, and fucking up both things she's supposed to be.... I'm in this image and I don't like it (that's a lie I love it. TFW you're an Ame in ideals and a Suvi in responsabilities. College is a nightmare, anyway. Great 'sode) [I finished listening and. I need to reiterate just how important the four of you guys are. Thank you so much for every word. Your positive impact footprint (? y'know, the ripple effect) is immeasurable, I hope y'all know that. 💛]

can't express how much joy i get for seeing so much support for the 7-point metric in the comments. i've been pushin' 7-point scales on my friends for **decades** to no avail, and to hear THE Adonis Gunz (you could hear the 'z') present and defend the concept so deftly? *chef's kiss*

"Me at my angriest is not me at my most honest"

I could be wrong, but I think Brennan misspoke during this episode about when it last was that Suvi had seen Steel. Latest mirror conversation aside, I thought Steel was at Suvi's graduation at the Citadel. But Brennan said at just after 1:13 of this episode that Suvi hadn't seen Steel since she came for her as a young girl at Grandmother Ren's.

The real question is if the scales use "0" or not

https://www.surveysensum.com/blog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-likert-scale#7-point%20likert%20scale

Here for the Duolingo chat! I literally got to a 999 streak today (small brag) and I'm TERRIFIED I will forget to do a lesson tomorrow and watch it all come crashing down around my ears 😅

Just started listening & really amused bc I only just committed to Super Duolingo the other day.

Mitski just put out Eursalon's theme, "Bug Like an Angel"

Honestly obsessed with Suvi's gifted kid with burnout arc. A little too relatable tbh

Also I need a teeshirt that says "I wanna be in the Learning Casino"

Here for Duolingo accountability buddies - kittystryker, 197 day streak!

592 day Duolingo streak 😎 let’s be Duo buddies

So is there a world in which we get access to the character playlists???? I would love to hear them! And maybe we all would!

Brennan talking about how when facing things like empire, and choosing not to violent when the world itself rewards violence reminds me a lot of The Last Airbender, specifically how Aang, when being told by everyone, including his own past lives, that killing Ozai was morally justified, that the world would be better with him dead, chose instead to spare him, and in doing so healed a violent world with peace.

I love the discussion the group has about conflict and saying the thing that is neither fully believed nor only because you are angry, and it reminds me of how much complexity we hold as whole humans, and that as Walt Whitman said, "Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes."

I looooooooove that Brennan and I both went to SUNY UCCC and we BOTH had no clue there were ANY sports teams! 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 #artstudent

Just want to raise my hand as well in requesting those character playlists.

As a professional engineer with a minor in math, I agree that 7 has a better middle than 10.

I have a mighty need for those character playlists

I love how the episode BEGINS with Amai being in control of a social situation with a powerful entity that Suvi would have messed up, and ENDED with Suvi talking to a powerful entity that Amai messes up. All because she wasn't on mute. I just love that juxtaposition.

Brennan on the allure of violence...so good. It's easier to avoid violence in a system where violence is dangerous and messy. It's more meaningful when you know violence is likely to work. Also, for informal feedback Brennan is right - 1-10 is clearer and easier. For one thing, having a perfectly neutral option is bad. If you have a perfect neutral people will pick it when they want to be nice but they would give negative feedback if they were being perfectly honest. People have already pointed out all the good reasons for using a different scale in more rigorous situations.

CRAM DANIELS FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!

As someone who writes surveys in their job, and has researched how to do it, 1-7 is perfect. Followed closely by 1-5. 1-10 is the worst.

I quite like the indoctrinated by the empire vibes from Suvi

Hate to make Tyler work harder but... can we get reminders of sounds and themes from the episodes as they get referred to on fireside, please?

Okay but maybe playlists for patreon fans? 👀

As a native Spanish speaker hearing Brennan do his best with Spanish brings me a simultaneous joy and cringe of like "God he's so close I'm so proud and I can fully understand him, but there's this little bit off that makes me laugh." Keep doing your best, man! I can't wait for the next time you speak it, which I know will be even better!

sorry how do you do all this amazing shit and also be in the top 1% of Duolingo?

I don't mean to brag, but I'm on a 477 day Duolingo streak. I'm also trying to learn Spanish, but solo se un poco. Soy tonto.

Look, there's a reason surveys use 1-5 scales. There has to be a middle ground. 5 isn't middle of 10, it's half of ten. On a scale of seven you have three bad choices, one middle ground, and three positive. Odd number scales are the only way to go.

Excelente acento, Brennan. Sigue practicando.

Sounds like the new rating system gets a 2/7 from Brennan

Wait what? me and Brennan wait to the same community College?

Well now I need the characters music playlists too

7

Badminton should be called fairy tennis

In regards to the scale of 7, no one tell Brennan about the International Baccalaureate grading system

wait can we follow you guys on Duolingo I need more friends

I just can't get over the fact that Adonis goes straight to 7. Regardless of the whole "what is middle" debate, isn't "X out of 5" the obvious answer if you want a single "mid" option and "X out of 10" the choice if you want two even halves?

Lot of good math-based comments about 1-10 vs 1-7, but the real benefit of 1-7 is it discourages snap responses. On a 1-10, everyone says 7 by default. A 1-7 (or any other "abnormal" scale really) you get a moment of thoughtfulness by coming in at a different angle.

Love that Aabria has a journal for Suvi, I have a diary I write as one of my characters because I find her feelings occupy my brain a lot out of game and I need to get those out in a productive way

CRAM. CRAM THAT DANIELS. LESS GOOOO

Are episodes 10 and 11 on the patreon podcast feed. The one with no ads?

You're telling me Benjamim Franklin Gates, played by Nicholas Cage, escaping the FBI in the national treasure of a movie National Treasure, was an example of classic Pagan storytelling

Could we get the character playlists?

I simply have to know who had the Zelda ringtone! I have the exact same one and I grabbed my phone to answer it and didn't see any calls. So confused and so excited to see that one of y'all is a Zelda nerd like me

Oh wow, Aabria outlining Suvi’s whole thought process during eps 9-11 and also Brennan’s input about her feeling torn between two viewpoints was just so so good

Trying to calculate the odds that you'd talk about Mononoke the day after I watch it for the first time... wild.

Let me tell you all 1-7 is the scale of grades in educational system here and it drives me nuts. Having said that, this is a 7

Thank you, Erika, for reading my question precisely as it was intended. It made my day. Aabria, thanks for the answer, it genuinely impresses me how you turned such rotten luck into an entertaining podcast. I've been playing games like D&D for twenty years and it can be rough trying to handle a no-good-very-bad day with good grace and humor. You make it look easy, and it's both enlightening and reassuring to know the work that goes into it! 7/7

7s across the board for this one, gang

Just so y'all know, WBN is a major part of my input while working on my dissertation.

Adonis Gunz was 100% correct. 1 to 7 has a middle and 1 to 10 does not. 5 is not the middle unless the scale is 0 to 10. Brennan should know this, because it matters for dice logic! Even number ranges starting at 1 don't have a clean middle. 1 to 6's middle is 3.5. I'm sorry, Brennan, but in this case I've got to GET IN THE COMMENTS and decry your ignorance of an artfully chosen integer-based rating system. 1 to 7 boys, represent.

The 7 point rating scale shown is extremely standard with likert items. I'm with Adonis on this one.

I love that the superstructure of the WW&WO is oriented against the squad of world changing heroes. It’s sadly more true to life and it leads to some relatable meltdowns

Does anyone else just really really need a Fox playlist now?

Pretty sure Tuatha is pronounced TWO-ha. Irish is a brilliant, bizarre old language

Hey, hey, hey. Hold up a second. Whose ringtone is the NES Legend of Zelda overworld theme?

Had to stop listening while at work because I was WAILING with laughter. Brennan's exclamation of "Five!" Followed by Erika's cackle BROKE me

Adonis Gunz may be the best name I'll hear all year.

So hype for Adonis Gunz to be on the show

Can we find, and subsequently follow, all of y'all on Duolingo? No worries if not, just want to follow the saga of Brennan's streak

So question, that has nothing to do with anything: might we at some point get a "Aabria teaches you how to make a cheat sheat" segment?

I say this with so much love in my heart as someone who has taught math in both public schools and to homeschool students, Brennan's homeschool and philosophy education really showed in favoring 1-10 over 1-7

My brain insists that the reason Grandmother's spells are still going because her soul, her essence... hasn't been collected yet. Because the collector was denied entry for a year and a day.

That was a 7 point basketball dunk!

I find it hard to believe that Brennan has never heard of a Likert scale lol

This is a big old 7.

Lou’s 1-7 rating system immediately reminded me of Jason Mendoza’s rating system of 1-13 with 8 being the best

Listening to Aabriya describe Suvi's breakdown was fascinating. She says she keeps a feelings notebook to remind her of things Suvi is feeling that Aabriya isn't--a way of staying in Suvi's head. It must work, because Suvi *never* feels like a character played from a distance. She's just real.

On using the D&D ruleset for diplomacy I was thinking of my recent campaign where we were campaigning for a local election for the leader of a farming collective. There were at least 3 sessions of speeches and plots. It was fantastic.

My kingdom for those playlists!

I agree with Adonis, 1-10 is a flawed rating system because there's no true middle. Rating something as a 5 means it's technically below average and a 6 is above average. I can't give a nice whole number to mean "I don't have a ton of feelings about this thing". A d20 has an average roll of 10.5, not 10 because there are an even number of sides.

I have barely started this, but I am dying inside wanting to point out that a 0 to 10 rating system has an exact middle and a 1 to 10 rating system has a slightly-below-middle and a slightly-above-middle. Never wanted a spoiler more than this: Do they work that out before the end?

5 is the middle of a 0-10 scale. Seven scale is best if you don’t allow for a zero rating.

What is a 1-7 rating system if not a 1-5 system with more wiggle room for opinions

Split the Veil podcast uses a 1-7 rating system and I really like it! 5 is half of 10 by its really not in the middle of a 10 rating scale. It’s definitively on the bottom half of numbers.

The middle of 1-10 is 5.5. 1-5 is 5 numbers, 6-10 is 5 numbers. I fully support the 1-7 rating system

You talk about too much about too many good things and it’s really hard to not just write a long personal letter to you after each fireside. Also petition for Brennans therapy minute - bc I spent a lot of money to be able to say that one emotion is not my only emotion and I can make different and more cogent choices

looking at the comments before listening is a wild experience, cause i have ZERO context for any of what anyone’s talking about. truly sensational.

I generally agree with Brennan on most things, but Adonis has this on lockdown. The middle of 10 is between 5 and 6. If you look at your fingers on each hand, you wouldn't say the pinky on one of your hands is the middle of that space, you would say the space between your pinkies is the middle. You have five fingers on your hand. Is the middle of that not your middle finger? Adonis's scale works like this, 1. Worst 2. Worse 3. Bad 4. Neutral 5. Good 6. Better 7. Best

Adoni$ Gunz is correct on the 1-7 thing. Classic Likert scale, think extremely disagree, disagree, somewhat disagree, neither agree nor disagree, somewhat agree, agree, extremely agree.

Brennan is all the women i am the most afraid of in this episode of WBN :')

Not me immediately redownloading Duolingo

No one called Lou out on responding to being addressed as Lou in the beginning?

I absolutely love that they consistently refer to how they will keep this going for "hundreds" of episodes. It makes me so happy to think that in a few years, when for all I know I may be living somewhere completely different, working a different job etc, these 4 lovely friends will still be sitting down together and making beautiful stories <3

THE CRAMS!!!!

Brennan doesn’t seem okay during the math part, I get the flabbergastness, but also are you okay???

CRAM DANIELS!!!!

the intro made me remember to do my duolingo for the day

Cram Daniel lives!

Coming from a person who hasn't done statistics in a while... Half of ten is five, I don't think it's the middle. I actually agree with Adonis. On a graph of 7 discrete numbers from 1 to 7, the median would be 4. Did i get it right?

if adonis gunz loves his 1 to 7 rating system, he'll love the song 'im gonna say seven' by alabaster de plume

Erika that "che cosa?!" era spettacolare!!!

'Ten doesn't have a middle.' 'Five!' Beautiful.

this description has me frothing at the mouth

Crackle crackle!