S4E6: Ocean's 13

The Kill James Bond theme is in the key of D minor. You could slow it down and remove the explosion and do some stuff to make it sadder, but it's already minor.

Bernie Mack is in charge of corralling the corrupt pit boss they bribed to swap out the weighted roulette balls.

Kill James Bond Jr in which all the podcasters are replaced by their nephews

Okay, the thing about Sinatra being someone who...did things that rhyme with crepe is news to me, and I can't seem to find any info on it online. If someone could point me in the right direction, I would greatly appreciate it.

Y'all DEEPLY need to watch Bad Company (1995) starring Ellen Barkin, Lawrence Fishburne, and Frank Langella. Lesser known but quite noteworthy intrigue film... and starring Ellen Barkin in a role that will absolutely cause you to remember her as distinct from Cameron Diaz.

You. Will. Never. Stop. The. Real. Napster.

hope you girls and devons do The Sting before the end of this season, its everything you talk about a movie thats impossible to make today

The discussion about Suzie Izzard’s eggy outfit (and the similar egg fit in The People’s Joker) is so funny to me because what you are describing is exactly the kind of “boy” I was most attracted to as a transmasc egg teenager. One of the “boys” I dated did, in fact, turn out to be a woman, something I found out many years later thanks to Facebook Memories.

I hope you're planning on doing Point Break (1991) during heist season. Keanu Reeves playing a former star quarterback who's now a rookie FBI agent who has to infiltrate a gang of surfing bank robbers led by a spiritual guru whose life is organized around the pursuit of the Perfect Wave. (There's also a Point Break (2015) remake that I've never seen)

If you don't already have it planned, you should watch The Sting. It's a period piece that isn't technically a heist film, but it's a scam that gets a large amount of money.

You have forgotten the secret sixth ocean film. LOGAN LUCKY IS AN OCEANS FILM WITH DANIEL CRAIG IN IT!

If I might offer a few suggestions for this year? There are numerous adaptations of the Donald Westlake/Richard Stark character, "Parker". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker_(Stark_novels_character)

Oh man if you think Brad Pitt is bad wait till you hear about Casey "The Twink Mormon Brother" Affleck...#metoo

Some things you guys missed (preface: I have Oceans 13 autism and watch the movie religiously). The plan wasnt to do a strike at the mexico plant, they were gonna sabotage ALL the dice so no matter which ones they got they were sabotaged, the strike was a result of an american having to experience mexican working conditions for like a week. Bernie Mac is the inside man, he's on the opening night floor so that he can be lookout and eyes on the floor at all times while Linus is busy, the mormons are running everywhere, Basher's posing as the motorcyclist, etc. Mac's role is to ensure there's ALWAYS someone on lookout, avoiding the "get me some eyeballs on the X" scene. They mention Mac's role during the Suzie Izzard breakdown of the heist at the beginning ("Who is the shill at the expo to rope bank?") The shaft bits arent filler, thats when A) they plant the explosives (bernie mac's team plant some and Yen plants more, then Linus plants some more when he gets into the diamond vault) and B) they try and sell to Benedict that there's no way to steal the diamonds without getting into the room to swap them, because they know he's watching (they even talk to him via webcam in the vents) and they expect him to double cross them with Vincent Cassel (since Cassel shows up in the casino multiple times), so theyre setting up a Kansas City Shuffle on him. The "cantonese inspired" restaurant is where the hunk mormon poisons the 5 diamonds reviewer, he's sent there by the restaurant steward who says all his tables are full (i.e. they were funneling the 5 diamonds guy to that specific restaurant so the hunk mormon could poison him). Linus talks to his dad several times throughout the movie, and mentions that he has "the best cover known to man so you dont even have to think about [how to do heists] anymore?!" foreshadowing that he's the FBI guy. And Willy Bank wont go to the cops because of ALL the crimes Bank is committing at all times. One they mention is that Bank is tapping the FBI databases (where Suzie Izzard says "HIGHLY! Illegal", shes saying it about him doing that) so he doesnt want them looking too closely at his systems. Picking dudes up off the casino floor is fine but them investigating his security system and how it was compromised for the heist would reveal how he's been breaking a BUNCH of laws. Also the reason everyone likes Ocean more thank Bank is because Bank screws EVERYONE he ever works with. He's very much a donald trump expy in that regard, he refuses to pay people he hires (he does this several times in the film), he fires people for no reason(At one point he fires his security guy for not firing Randall the pool guy soon enough), and he outright threatens to kill his business partners to muscle them out (see: Ruben at the beginning) Everyone hates Bank so no one will work with him.

Nova: If you've ever worn the dark suit, dark shirt, colourful tie combo, you are transgender now. Me: look at the time I did still identify 100% as a woman but yes I am now nonbinary, point taken.

Although it's a movie quote, I am going to give full credit to you that I've decided to name my musical project "Slice Like A Goddamn Hammer".

casino dominoes was such a weird game but it was how they were getting unrigged balls onto the roulette tables

Brad Pitt does an inscrutable Michael York impression which you end up having to watch a different film series featuring Nate Bethea until he explains what was up with that.

Guys. Stop calling out my fashion choices. The all back suit look rules and I'm still cis and still happy shut up.

Doing a bunch of tricks to rig casino games and heist some diamonds is straight out of MacGyver S1E5 The Heist, although the Oceans crew for better or worse skips MacGyver's most famous gambit from that episode: undressing a woman with only a paperclip and some thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfaSYDlC4Gc

in the trilogy’s defense of not having a whole ton of bernie mac in it, he was getting sicker every time they were being filmed before he died - and soderbergh is on the record saying there won’t be an ocean’s 14th since bernie mac is gone

Perfect "smell" movie Love potion no.r9 starring Sandra Bullock

Thought the Jazz intro was going to be replaced totally with the Soviet anthem, would have been hilarious

Devon giving a shout out to Awkwafina's ocean based doppelganger, Aquafina

Wait what did helena bonham carter do?

Considering Sly Cooper and The Theivious Racoons came out in 2002 there is a non zero chance Catherine Zeta Jones character was inspired by Carmelita Fox

Wish there was a Leverage: Redemption movie.

I'm not up on heist movies literally at all so I'm excited for heist szn to introduce me to whatever deep cuts y'all unearth- I did watch Army of the Dead with my brother a few years ago though and found it fun, if you're looking for any unusual/genre crossover heist movies later down the line. I feel like "heist In The Middle Of A God Damn Situation" is an interesting subgenre for examining "where is the threshold of 'heist movie' vs 'movie with a heist'". What are the most crucial aspects of the cultural construct of "heist" for preserving the core vibe, etc.

As one of the small but presumably not-just-me constituency of "anosmic KJB listeners", I object to any suggestion of pivot to smell

A quick C note: dominoes is a traditionally African American game, so Bernie Mac selling casinos on the idea of dominoes is a racial joke. This movie was my first exposure to the word cougar, Zapatista, and hell, probably radical labor organizing.

Since you checked ao3 stats, im gonna give you a little teaser for oceans 8 - theres more than double the amount of fics shipping the 2 main characters in oceans 8 than oceans 11-13 despite having a similar amount of fics total

You should do the Til Death Do Us Blart model of, if you are to do Every Movie, assigning designated successors to take up the podcast when you die.

What was November saying about Mitt Romney's dad, it looks like he was born in Mexico but not sure what that has to do with what she was implying, which seemed to be something untoward.

With his hairline Terry Benedict is Casino Vegeta.

I always took slice like a hammer to mean there will be no finesse. His retribution is so severe the collateral has collateral.

If the gang wants a great Ellen Barkin movie that has a bit to say about masculinity they should check out Drop Dead Gorgeous(1999).

Face blindness is a funny thing.

I bet the one with the women is somehow the most misogynist by a long shot

I hate to break this to everyone, but the KJB theme is already in a minor key. You’ll need to have a rose-tinted flashback to some happy memories to hear it in a major key

Child Grifter on loan from their grifter parents is a perfect trope but it was done to perfection in Hustle.

We all thought the joke would stay "Jesusland versus the United States of Canada" instead its going to be "MAGA country versus Estados Unidos Mexicanos"

I humbly submit another Soderbergesque hesit movie, Logan Lucky. Adam Driver, Channing Tatum and Daniel Craig are the leading men. It's the redneck version of an Ocean's movie.

Something happened to my app at the moment November said Travis Pistrana causing her to repeat Travis Pistrana 😅

So I joined the Trans Patricio battalion, and I fought on the Mexican side?

"Susan B Anthony" because she's on the ill-fated US dollar coin issued in the 1970s, which for a long time was only common if you were playing dollar slots in Vegas or Atlantic City.

Abigail you are so valid for thinking that was Cameron Diaz. I thought the same thing until I looked it up.

I like Oceans 8 but I liked Oceans 12 so excited to hear what people with brains think about it

Is it wrong that I'd totally watch a "Casino Goku" anime?

in Abby's defense, I remember watching this movie and referring to Ellen Barkin as "MILF Cameron Diaz".

So from Mexico: yall have to do some Luchador movies Also: Abby would make a FANTASTIC silver screen luchadora. Espina (thorn) Filosa(sharp)fica. Going all all roses with the motif.

Is slice like a hammer a golf reference?

I love that after a whole episode of Abi saying she can't say anything too negative about Star Wars, they just have a bit of theorising and joking about the creator of Andor being a sex pest.

Being declared a heretic for claiming Sinatra was adopted and not incarnated and facing the goon inquisition.

Watching one of the movies of all time in one of the weeks of all time

This fucking thing