S3E27.5: Dogtooth

I really like Abby's bringing up the narcissist angle, because it explains so much of the father and why he does this. He is shown to be pathetic and weak in the outside world, and is obviously insecure about this. So he creates this family with himself as the all power pater familias who's word is final and who's value is absolute. He has that narcissistic wound in him, and needs his personal validation fulfilled by people who will reflect positively for him. He's basically turning his family into a flattering mirror for himself. This is tied to the fascist ideology, which devalues the self and all sense of personal vulnerability or weakness, and makes the upholding of ideological values as the only things which actually matter. And so the father, viewing his true self as being weak, makes his home and family a model fascist ideal as to reflect these ideas positively back on him.

It feels like the parents are trying to create a sort of caveman family situation combined with modern suburbia. A sort of primal ideal yet ideological idea of family which is contradicted by the modern world. Very appropriately fascist.

This was queued up in my podcasts right after If Books Could Kill's review/critique of "Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother", and wow, the concepts are similar.

Bet the father told the boy he "had the right to defend himself" against that cat...

Chevy called it an Excursion because it's like a rock

Ok, the "dancing" scene; they start with the dances from the dancing scene in Bande à part(albeit badly). How did November miss this!?

Wait I’m so confused I thought your canines do fall out???

This is very much a movie that I wouldn’t be able to watch due to the warnings mentioned therein, and that means I EXTRA appreciate this episode, because the conversation in the episode has been so meaningful for me. Thank you~

Mechanical keyboard with lights, call that the electric psychedelic pussy

Does anyone have any reading about the sex scenes being unsimulated? Like the Angeliki Papoulia interview November mentioned?

Just started listening, but do they mention the X-Files episode "Home"?

In linguistics, zombie languages are those elicited by professionals from any last native speakers; their recorded voices transcend the speakers' deaths and remain as artefacts. Feels significant to that scene, obliquely.

Lanthimos's Bond is brilliant concept that must be made real.

i wonder if kiss kiss bang bang would be a cool christmas bonus special

me: phew, after reading Flowers in the Attic last month i think i've had more than my fill for now of stories about horribly confined abused incestuous children KJB: wrong. you idiot. you bitch of a fool

I've had a rough week so I've been looking forward to sitting back and listening to you guys discuss this wholesome family film.

I feel like November would probably enjoy the works of tatsuki fujimoto

LET’S GO ISTVG NEXT BABY

Currently listening to this a second time immediately after finishing my first listen cos I'm at work and I can't watch the movie itself til I get home

For a lighthearted, twee, feel-good PG-13 version of this movie, check out Brigsby Bear starring Kyle Mooney. Also the Netflix original "Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt" is about a girl who was kept in a bunker for 13 years and decided to joyfully live in NYC when she is rescued Also: holy cow this movie is absolutely about my childhood, just turned up a few notches. I was born and raised in a cult (the "2x2s", find out more on FBI dot gov or the Nightline segment on Hulu) whose signature control or whatever was that you weren't allowed to own a TV or go to the movies. We had a VHS monitor we could hide in the closet (because my dad likes movies once a month or so). We were taught that anyone outside the cult was going to hell. As an adolescent, I would watch Rocky montages to feel powerful.

Just read that David Lynch's review of this movie was that it was the best comedy he's seen in year 🙃

Rocky also won world war 2 with Michael Cain by winning a football match against the Nazis.

Innocence, the french one from 2004, is another movie in this weird genre. I still get anxious thinking about the final shot.

Need to know the bleeped grooming joke.

I love the idea of a detective movie about a situation like this viewed from the outside and postmortem

HELLLLLL YEAHHHHHHHHHHBHHBBBB

Gonna try not to overshare in the comments, but I usually make a habit of watching the movies you cover (if I can find them) before listening to the episode, and this movie was a genuinely hard watch the first time. However, after listening to the episode, I felt like the intense horror and sorrow I had experienced through the three kids (especially Bruce!) got lifted off me like a heavy weight. As someone who is trans and is in a strange position in real life right now, I felt the hope and the drive to start working towards making life better for me so I can thrive in the future. I genuinely cannot thank y'all enough for helping me process what I watched more easily. 🫡 (this is my first Lanthimos and I'm excited to see more of his work on my own!)

November only picks bangers.

ok finished the episode and i def got some feelings about it.

How did that "Alps is dogtooth 2/dogteeth" bit go past without anyone doing "Dog2th"

The Rocky films and their Creed derivatives will certainly make for a good series of podcasts, there’s a lot of stuff and a lot of nothing in them.

The cat scene is faked, something Lanthimos had to prove to the British censor (you can check the BBFC about it) before the film could be released in Britain with that scene

now to be fair my cat does also think shes the most dangerous predator in the world too

A movie about the origins of skateboarding? I'm so looking forward to this, I don't even need to read the episode description

Not a Lanthimos movie, but also about being transgender and unfortunately also incest is the 2009 Panos Koutras movie ‚Strella‘. Watched it for a seminar I took, when I studied film studies. The seminar was about film and the concept of family, so I guess there’s another connection to dog tooth. Anyways, that’s my recommendation, if someone wants to watch more movies like that. It’s not as weird though.