Deferred rendering
This mod adds deferred rendering support to KSP. This is a new mod independent from Scatterer and EVE.
Deferred rendering decouples geometry rendering from lighting, allowing for more modern lighting techniques to be used, and better lighting performance with many light sources.
Better lighting, automatic PBR conversion
Using deferred rendering "locks" the game into using a unified lighting model for all opaque objects, so naturally the best option is to use unity's PBR.
I've replaced all opaque stock shaders with custom shaders that automatically convert to PBR. This conversion is very conservative, with the goal of remaining faithful to the original look of parts, so that all existing stockalike parts and part mods can be compatible and keep their original spirit, limiting the "chromey-ness" that usually comes with PBR settings for existing parts.
With that said the surface materials feel better in general.
Shiny stock surfaces automatically become reflective if they had the right level of shininess, like these cockpit windows
As you've probably noticed the lighting is improved and feels more natural, this is due to everything now receiving ambient light from the environment. This is something that TexturesUnlimited already did for parts, but this is now applied to everything not just parts, resulting in a more coherent look.
When using TUFX ambient occlusion, the occlusion is integrated into the ambient lighting instead of being applied to everything as a post effect, making the lighting feel much more natural.
Comparison: Left is stock + TUFX AO, right is Deferred + TUFX AO
This ambient light can also be seen on parts in low orbit and provides a similar effect to planetshine
Improved pixel lights performance
The rendering method used in stock (forward rendering) has to re-render every object for every light source that reaches it. This can quickly get out of hand with many craft lights, or with engine light mods, deferred rendering fixes this.
To be clear this only helps when many lights are on.
The video below shows the performance difference
Mod compatibility status
You'll find the compatibility List maintained on Github, most of the main mods have updated to be compatible or have a compatible fork. Some mods have a compatible fork which hasn't yet been released officially.
Download
Get CKAN and use it to install Deferred. CKAN is recommended because it automatically handles dependencies and mod conflicts.
If you want to install it manually go here and follow the instructions.
How to get the exact same visuals as in my screenshots
1. Install Scatterer and EVE (can be regular or volumetric, check the compatibility list above for compatible versions)
2. Install Restock for a revamp of stock parts
3. Install Deferred (from the link above or CKAN when it is added)
4. Install TUFX
5. Use my TUFX profile or your profile of choice with ambient occlusion enabled (important for nice lighting)
6. If you downloaded my TUFX profile put it in GameData and select the profile ingame from TUFX menu (see image)
Notable updates since initial release
06/08/2024: Deferred is now available on CKAN, some mods have compatible forks available but are still waiting for official versions to be released on CKAN, so check the compatibility list for those.
29/06/2024: Parallax has updated to be compatible, and Conformal Decals no longer has rendering errors.
Comments (287)
Stay tuned for V6!
Having black rendering issues with stock assets, specifically the metal plates seen around the interior of the level 1 SPH. How would you like me to send a screenshot and the ksp.log?
Using https://filebin.net/ and sending the link here will work, otherwise opening an issue in https://github.com/LGhassen/Deferred
Hey! I've been experiencing aliasing issues since installing the mod, and it appears to be independent of whether or not anti-aliasing is set within any of my available mods, or the game itself. It happens if I have AA turned off or on in game, off or on in mods or any possible combination. Do you know if this could potentially be a conflict of some kind? Other than that, using the mod has been great. Huge improvement. I'm assuming it's some kind of mod compatibility thing, because I've also had an issue with my reflection settings and some effects resetting themselves to low when I'm running mods. Thank you! xo
Hey sorry, missed this. The stock AA (MSAA) is not compatible with moder rendering techniques (deferred, scatterer etc) and will just auto-disable if you install any of them. Scatterer comes with TAA and SMAA by default which do a good job but which you can toggle (from the scatterer menu accessed by clicking the orb icon in the KSC screen). TUFX has its own implementation of TAA that is blurrier than scatterer's,but you can also use its own SMAA or FXAA.
Hi Blackrack. Love Deferred. Hugely better performance with multiple light sources. I noticed it also sometimes allows electric lights to cast shadows, which didn't work in stock. There's a test comparison here: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/topic/195129-electric-lights-cast-no-shadows-but-sun-shadows-work/#comment-4505584 The truss shadows aren't perfect, but pretty good. My question is why shadows work in this test but not for my ships and Kerbals in space? https://i.imgur.com/aMR0D1V.jpeg The helmet light shines straight through the ship. A light inside a service bay just shines straight through. Having working shadows would be a big realism improvement.
Shadows from every light source is a huge performance hit as it needs a shadowmap (essentially re-rendering the scene from the light's point of view). Are you sure it's not Parallax that adds shadows to the electric lights?
Hi, I'm using your volumetric clouds and it suggests installing this mod also. My problem is after installing deferred, the dark side of the planets become pitch black. You cant see any details, only darkness and I think it breaks the illusion. Could there be something wrong or is this intentional? With deferred: https://ibb.co/tM6kX14L Without deferred: https://ibb.co/TxhFtVyW
Yeah that's intentional, in stock you can see some weird reflections on the dark side which shouldn't be there
Hi Blackrack Just got my brother to move over to PC. 9070XT, 7800X3D and 32GB of DDR5. When the game boots up, it crashes on the start menu and if it doesn't and he manages to get to the menu. It crashes when loading the game. I've looked at his log file and it just abruptly ends. Causes the graphics card to spike and crash which wipes his PC out. If I could send you the KSP.log file that'd be great, he's a massive fan of the game and a good friend of ours recommended your mod. It'd be fantastic if you could look into this and release a patch While I don't play the game (yet), I really appreciate what you do for the community. Appreciate any help you can provide, thank you!
Could be a memory/pagefile related crash (even with 32gb ram), try to increase pagefile size first https://www.thewindowsclub.com/increase-page-file-size-virtual-memory-windows If that doesn't help send me the crash logs via filebin, see here where to find them https://gist.github.com/JonnyOThan/04c2074b56f78e56d115621effee30f9#crashes---playerlog-and-errorlog
Hey Blackrack! I installed Deferred and Volumetric Clouds 5, but neither of them seems to be working. I’m more of a visual learner and not the best at reading through instructions, so there’s a good chance I messed something up. All I’m seeing in-game is a bright purple screen, and in the main menu there are no volumetric clouds at all. It looks like nothing is functioning correctly. Any help or guidance would be really appreciated. Thanks!
Hi, I'm certainly not a Blackrack, but I can recommend checking out the game version; these mods only work on 1.12.5.
Probably an already solved issue but im not getting reflections of crafts on the surface of minmus only terrain reflections. Terrain ones are wonderful though!
sorry, that comment was for the volumetric clouds mod ;-;
oh wait
Strange Question But when Ever I use Parallax Early Access Release 3 with this mod to Make KSP super realistic, it just looks like stock KSP, what i mean by Stock KSP is like there is no scatters around the map, is this mod messing up Parallax, or its perfectly fine and is just Parallax having a glitch. *I think its just perfectly fine*
It appears to be a parallax issue. Try to install KSPTextureLoader with the custom fork of Parallax Continued's binaries, and install everything correctly.
Hello! Do i need "Spectra Scatterer" along with some other extras like vibrant sunsets or will it conflict with this mod and it has all cases handled?
Hi, you don't need those
Hello, i installed Deffered on CKAN, everything works flawlessly, except that i have to select everytime your profile on TUFX, why?
Sorry missed this, I think you have to exit the game correctly for tufx to save it as the default profile. Otherwise try searching for the tufx .cfg file and set my profile as the default there
hello im having an issue with ghosting if i move the camera or if an object moves. love everything otherwise
Hi, make sure you don't have TAA (temporal antialiasing) in tufx enabled (you can check from the TUFX menu in-game). If that's disabled, go to the KSC screen, press the blue orb menu in lower right to bring up the scatterer settings, go to customize settings and also disable TAA there. Let me know if this fixes it.
Hi Blackrack, I noticed that some lighting on the walls in the VAB and Hangar appears to be broken. I verified this issue with a fresh installation of KSP, where I only installed Deferred and its dependencies through CKAN. You can see the issue in this screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/6PtpMdS
Hi, can you send the KSP.log file also? I've seen people have this issue before but wasn't able to reproduce it.
hello, i'm just wondering what I can do. I can say that my problem with RSS reborn is the RAM usage, cause my memory is very high when playing it, so do I downgrade my textures?
If you get crashes due to the ram usage, try increasing the page file size first. If you just want to lower ram usage then yeah you should lower texture resolution.
Hi, how can i remove pixels int the sky, bc when sunset happens, i see some pixels in sky
Hi, can you send screenshots of what you're seeing? You can share them via imgur.com
sorry to bother, but im playing RSS right now with rss reborn, and after I play for an hour or two, my game suddenly closes and I have to rejoin it. Do you know what might be happening?
You're likely running out of RAM as this is RSS reborn. Maybe monitor your RAM and page file usage for when this happens? Anyway, send your KSP.log file via filebin and I could take a look in case anything jumps out
Hey Blackrack, I have an issue in which I uninstalled all my mods on CKAN and then installed your mod, and the clouds won't load? Do you know what could be causing this so I can fix it.
Hey, if you send your KSP.log file I can check what went wrong. You can share it via filebin
Hey Blackrack, thanks a lot for this mod (and the volumetric clouds)! Unfortunately, I have a peculiar issue when using Deferred (at least I didn't find it reported anywhere else), where the water texture on Kerbin goes in and out depending on the distance from the planet. I've piled up the troubleshooting information over here on the Drive, would appreciate if you could take a look. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1eHAUPJoN8mGTsyukvzjgAnhAbYj-XJ4h?usp=sharing
Hi, the awful stock ocean doesn't work correctly with deferred. If you use scatterer's ocean it will work fine. Not sure why you are using deferred but not my other mods
I installed tufx with your profile, and I've installed deferred, but it still looks like the stock + tufx with that yellowish hue. How did I install it correctly?
Hi, go into your game settings from the main menu and make sure the reflection probe is enable (you can set it lowest refresh setting and to a low resolution like 256 so it will not hurt performance, just make sure it's enabled)
and are you doing new clouds like v5
Yes, you can see a preview here https://imgur.com/a/AcD1tQf
Hey just wanted to say i cant seem to download deferred rendering. On ckan it says i have a dlc which is incompatible w the mod (i removed all my mods and the issue was still there). I tried the manual install but the pages for shabby were so incredibly scuffed, i couldnt even tell which one is the latest release, and there were 2 folders for some reason i have no idea what to do with those. thank you in advance
You can just install shabby from CKAN then install the deferred files manually? Anyway in the case of a conflic you just have to look at the mod description in CKAN and it will tell you incompatible mod versions you have to remove. Sometimes if incompatible mods are installed without CKAN it will also annoy you and complain about them.
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Hello Blackrack! First of all, great job on these visual mods. Like seriously, it’s ridiculous how beautiful your shaders are for a game as old as Kerbal Space Program. You literally turned the atmosphere from a sharp gradient to a pure gem to behold. BRAVO! I would just like to see if there’s any way to change the settings of Deferred to reduce the planetshine, it's way too bright for my liking. Of course with PlanetShine installed too, it was even more bright, but even uninstalling that still doesn't make it as dark as I want. This isn't a feature that necessarily ruins anything for me, but any input on this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Hi, in GameData/zzz_Deferred/Deferred.cfg adjust a variable named "ambientBrightness", note that lighting will get dimmer in the atmosphere as well not just in space.
Hey Blackrack! Installed this along with a handful of other mods (through CKAN). After install I was no longer able to radially attach certain rockets (only tested with the Thoroughbred and the Pollux - Thoroughbred fully would not attach, Pollux attachment significantly weaker). I removed and slowly readded mods and figured out that either this mod was responsible, or has compatibility issues with another resulting in this. Curious if anyone else has flagged this? Seems odd as I'm not sure how lighting would impact that
I'm also a bit confused by this as it shouldn't impact gameplay. Any reproduction steps? Any list of mods/parts that get this to happen?
Hi Blackrack! Is it possible that this is causing *too much* ambient light? Any fix? https://i.postimg.cc/PxsFMWPN/220200-245.jpg
Are you using any ambient light boost setting/mods? I've not seen this with deferred before
can you add a compatibly for the near future mods plz
Hey @Blackrack, I've downloaded the mod not so long ago and I'm loving it so far. Though I've noticed that after getting a craft out of Kerbin's atmosphere, the terrain seems to be way too bright. I've tried uninstalling a few mods like planet shine but the result seems to be the same. Wanted to check here before cleaning out my GameData folder, thanks :) https://imgur.com/a/KniCI0B (I've looked online for other solutions but couldn't find any that could match my issue)
I'm not sure, does it look normal during daytime?
Hi. Running KSP on Windows through Steam. I had CKAN and other mods working but after installing release Volumetric Cloud R4, KSP sits at the launch screen "Loading part upgrades" and does not finish launch. Wiped out KSP folder and re-installed through Steam. Loaded game data folder and same experience on launch. Help, please.
I provided the ksp.logs and was advised to re-extract the files since this was an odd behaviour and the logs indicated missing files with _ in the name or missing data. Originally I downloaded on a Mac and transferred the zip to a Windows PC. Did this twice and got the same problem. I downloaded it directly on the Windows PC with Ms Edge and extracted with the built in zip abilities. This worked correctly now.
Just thanks, amazing effect.
Hi Blackrack! I'm loving your mods. I have installed deferred and volumetric clouds at the same time, the clouds are stunning, but I think there is something wrong with the lighting, the shaded parts of my craft are pitch black dark, feels like there is no ambient indirect lighting. Have any ideas what I did wrong and how to fix it? https://imgur.com/a/f0Vzv2C
Hi, in the game's settings, make sure reflection probe is enabled, you can set it to the lowest refresh setting and resolution to 256 or 512, just make sure it's enabled, don't set higher settings as they destroy performance for no gains.
Hey Blackrack! Im loving your mods so far, I already had volumetric clouds and then I downloaded deferred on CKAN. I love how it looks, but have a bug or something where the ocean water on Kerbin changes color in a certain radius around my craft. Any idea why?
Can you share some screenshots of what you're seeing? You can use imgur.com
But there is one problem the grass on Kerbin dissappers I dont know about the rocks on the moon or Mars.
Hi, first of, thanks for creating these awsome mods. My problem is that the kerbin surface looks too bright during the night, zooming out fixes it but that's not really a suitable way to do it. I'm using deferred, tufx with your profile, volumetric clouds, parallax with stock configs and the nebula skybox with dirt. Other tufx profiles have a darker night but they don't really look good in flight. Also, I'm using hdr (and the windows auto hdr) and ksp screenshoots look much darker there. Any way to fix this?
Hi, can you share some screenshots of what you're seeing? You can upload them to imgur.com
Hey, BlackRack. You're doing an amazing job with this mods! I have a qustion, does it conflict with KK?
Hi, kk should work perfectly as long as you get the latest version.
Hey @Blackrack, I had another question if you could help me out. I wanted to get the really good looking PBR textures you can find online that make all the rocket parts shiny and beautiful using PBR textures and I was looking at it being the textures unlimited mod. Will this work with this mod setup or is there another method to get really good textures. Thanks!
TexturesUnlimited is compatible with Deferred since a few months, so you can use it and any configs you want for it and it will work. I think the mod you're referring to is "magpie mods" and it's really unpopular because it makes everything shiny and chrome regardless of what it actually is (e.g. rubber, matte materials etc all become metallic indescriminately). But if that's what you want feel free to use it, it should work without any technical issues. Other than that there is work being done on the new mod 'Resurfaced' for "proper" PBR https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/topic/225920-resurfaced-backwards-compatible-pbr-stockalike-shaders-for-ksp-v12ksp-1125/#comment-4420625 but as far as I know it's mostly Bluedog Design Bureau parts that have configs right now, so if you want the stock parts or restock there's no configs for them.
Hey @Blackrack, I had a question. So for with EVE, TUFX, Scatterer, im just wondering if i should set my game's anti aliasing to 0x if those all have their own AA's built-in like how you can swap with TUFX and EVE quality. I'm just confused why my performance is tanking on my 4060. Thanks!
Hi, what kind of framerate are you getting? Can you send a screenshot of the game's settings menu from the main menu? Also send your KSP.log file (you cam send both via google drive or other file sharing service).
My TUFX folder don't have this file: GameData\TUFX\TexturesUnlimitedFX.cfg
how to disable HDR in TUFX (With autosafe, when I restart the game it disables)
Modify the profile .cfg
To apply the latest version of Scatter Should I overwrite the folder 'Scatterer' included in this mod with the latest version contents?
There is no Scatterer included with Deferred, if you're talking about volumetric clouds, just use the version included with it, don't update via CKAN or download it externally.
This mod seems to break a bit in upscaled systems - The draw distance doesn't seem to go as far as it should for worlds above the size of Earth or thereabouts.
Can you send screenshots of what you're seeing?
Hi @Blackrack, really love your mods! So does deferred causes vessels to be visible, even when sunlight is blocked by a planet? When I remove deferred my vessels are...you know, dark on the dark side, but maybe some other mod is in play here? I also have TUFX, Planetshine (maybe not necessary I know), Volumetrics, ... At first I thought it was Shinefix, but that isn't it. Sorry if I'm repeating others here, just curious. Anyway, keep it up, looking forward to what comes next!
Or do I just lower AmbientBrightness in the cfg?
Random question but do you know if this works with the ksp vr mod?
Nvm I just saw what is supported on the mod page
Hi Blackrack, your mods are great and they truly make the game look better than I ever thought it could. However, I have noticed that when using Deferred Rendering with Conformal Decals, whenever a decal is put on a part that part just turns black. I did testing with only Conformal Decals and Deferred installed on an otherwise stock save so I can confirm that it is Deferred that is causing the issue. Do you know of a fix?
Hi, you just need the latest version of conformal decals which fixes it.
hey blackrack! i got the volumetric clouds a few weeks ago, they're so insanely beautiful! as i'm from a third-world country i don't have many funds to support you monthly, but i wanna send this token of appreciation for the insane work you've put into all these mods for us. have a lovely day!
Thank you!
Any clue why the stock reflection system keeps turning itself on every time I open settings? I turned it off because it's messing up scatterer, but every time I open settings it sets itself to low, and accepting/applying sets REFLECTION_PROBE_REFRESH_MODE in settings.cfg to 1. Also could it be related this?: https://imgur.com/a/FIsRURK the issue seems linked to waterfall, as in the second scene it would disappear when I set engines to idle, and the line separating properly rendered scattering from the broken one connected the engine nozzles together as I rotated the camera. That being said when I opened settings to check things, the reflections were back on, and I'm not sure when exactly they turned themselves back on.
Deferred requires the probe for the lighting so it turns it on
Looks like CKAN doesn't like your RPM fork and Deferred together - it still throws a tantrum saying they're incompatible with each other. EDIT Nvm, it's more complicated: CKAN doesn't see the RPM version included in RPM_Deferred, only the patches, so it doesn't flag RPM-core as installed and wants to install it again...
My RPM fork is for manual installation. If you use it with ckan you'll need to remove it before using it then put it back. Not much I can do about it until RPM officially updates (I've already submitted my changes to their official repo).
Bro just make a new game ill buy ,promise you
Hey Blackrack I was wondering is there any way to improve the look of the clouds, I've turned the temporal scaling to 1x but I'm still not satisfied with how it looks. https://gyazo.com/8937e8375eab8b9f97dc80d5e075cb86 image for reference
Nothing more you can do here. Anything specific you're not satisfied with?
Could you maybe move the UI keystroke from ALT+D to something else? ALT+any of the default movement keys is trim, it's impossible not to accidentally bring it up in normal gameplay.
Will do, and make it configurable
CKAN tries to install "RasterPropMonitorCore" even though it correctly reports that *your fork of "RasterPropMonitor" is manually installed, and errors out with a: "Deferred 1.2.2.0 conflicts with an unmanaged DLL or DLC Inconsistencies were found: * Deferred 1.2.2.0 conflicts with RasterPropMonitor 1:v0.31.13.4 or earlier Error during installation!" I do have your fork of RPM installed but for some reason CKAN wants "RasterPropMonitorCore" which looks identical but has a different name? Ugh I'm not really sure what to do. Everyone says to just use CKAN but honestly, from my experiences using it, it seems like CKAN causes more compatibility issues than if I were to just properly manually install them... Any ideas? Sorry for being an idiot :c For now I'll just manually install these IVAs and hopefully that'll get around it. Will report back
Remove it, install with ckan, then put it back. Not much we can do about it until rpm is officially updated.
Hi, I'm having an issue with Deferred introducing a strange visual artifact to the surface of Kerbin (and possibly other worlds) when in orbit. Half of the planet seems to have a blue hemisphere that rotates around seemingly with the planet. This is occurring with both my heavily-modded install and a fresh install. For reference, here is a link to a .zip with screenshots and the KSP log file for the fresh install. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/62r1czv1d83oydvm67afx/2024.08.31.zip?rlkey=vwwain9oy0sdw14z8sphdifwn&st=u3xowc5t&dl=0 Everything else seems to work, from what I can tell. Any help would be appreciated!
Yeah the stock ocean does that, and I don't have a solution for it because I don't want to reimplement the stock ocean shader (which sucks). If you use Scatterer's ocean everything works perfectly.
I looked again in CKAN at the Deferred errors in more depth: It seems that, since Parallax Continued is listed as an addon, CKAN is unable to identify its specific version and lists it as a “blank” version. As Deferred lists Parallax 2.0.6 or prior as a conflict, CKAN assumes that the “blank” version == version prior to 2.0.6 and raises an error. This goes a step further, because if you try to install, remove or update anything while this error is in progress, CKAN will prevent you from applying the changes. (That's how I realized that half my mods were obsolete and not flagged as updatable by CKAN >_<). Removing the conflict with Parallax would solve the problem of course, but it would be rather counterproductive. Currently, I have to manually check for mod updates, then move the Parallax folder out of GameData, update everything, then move it again. It's not a big deal, but I think some people might be fooled by it.
Hello Blackrack, amazing work on the clouds and deferred rendering! I was very hesitant to purchase an early access mod, but I do not regret the decision in the slightest. I just had a quick question. When I use the regular TUFX profiles (default flight, default KSC, etc.), the grass (parallax) looks smooth, there are no jagged edges, and the rocket is general looks good. However, for whatever reason, when I use your TUFX profile, the grass looks very strange and pixelated, as if I turned down the resolution. I have the stock anti-aliasing turned off, as I saw people on Reddit say that if scatterer is active, I should turn off the base game one. The grass and buildings look normal (as if antialiasing is working) on the default profiles, but have very jagged edges with your profile. I’m just wondering if there are any problems on my end. Thank you for your time, and keep up the great job! EDIT: I turned on stock anti-aliasing, and the buildings / rocket parts look a little bit better, but the grass still looks really bad. I’m in a tough spot though: using your TUFX profile, I can move the camera properly, but when I use the default profiles, I get this weird motion blur type effect when moving my camera or zooming in/out. I am using the stock settings for everything (I just dragged volumetric clouds into my game data folder, and installed a few other visual mods, like planetshine, restock, TUFX, waterfall, etc). Lastly, for reference, the only stock setting which I haven’t set to the maximum is reflections and reflection refresh mode, which are 128 and low, respectively. Any help is greatly appreciated!!
My TUFX profile doesn't use TUFX's Temporal antialiasing, in favor of using scatterer's TAA. It could be that you have Scatterer's TAA turned off (older versions of TUFX used to come with a ModuleManager patch that disables Scatterer TAA). Start by checking if Scatterer's TAA is active or not: go to the space center screen, press the blue orb icon in lower right, in the window that appears press customize settings then check if Temporal Antialiasing is enabled or not. If you change it but changes revert on scene change then there is that patch inside TUFX disabling it.
Hum, when trying to update to 1.2.2.0 via CKAN an error is thrown and CKAN says "Deferred 1.2.2.0 conflicts with an unmanaged DLL or DLC" Volumetrics and Parallax Continued are the only mods that I have installed which aren't managed by CKAN (Scatterer and Parallax are still detected by it though, as ADded mods). Do you have an idea where the issue could be ?
Do you have RPM? Other than that it may be that CKAN picks up the new Parallax as the wrong version, otherwise not sure
This isn't about deferred itself, but rather the deferred-compatible fork of RPM that you released; the versioning data for it gets picked up by CKAN as the package containing RPM example IVAs, rather than the core binaries. This is problematic as it prevents IVA config mods from being installed as they all list the core package as a dependency. I'm not sure if there's anything that can be done about it on your end, but I thought you should know.
I don't really plan to touch it again because I've submitted all the code changes to the official rpm repo and it's up to them to release a new version (which should be any day now). At the moment I guess you can install your mods normally via ckan then override rpm if needed.
Hey blackrack I’ve just bought your tier one and the mod is fantastic but I just have one slight issue with it the clouds look bit grainy/noisy pixelated from afar (but not too far) is there a way to fix this?
That's a tradeoff of temporal upscaling (which improves cloud performance). You can reduce it to fix pixelation at the cost of performance, see here how to do it, you can do it ingame from the UI: https://github.com/LGhassen/EnvironmentalVisualEnhancements/wiki/Temporal-upscaling-and-noise-detiling
Recently, I played with the dissolve effect you made for the fairing and it reminded me of this mod: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/topic/123336-131-cloaking-device-v011a-oct-14-2017/ I wonder - since you've worked on many shaders shenanigans - if this mod could be easily updated for KSP 1.12 (as it's been broken since 1.4, at least). Some time ago, a friend and I tried to dig into the code but we're beginners in this field ^^'.
That doesn't look like it does anything special, just uses existing methods so I'm surprised it's broken. With that said if you patch it up there's no way I will support this in deferred :)
has this been updated to work with ksrss? if it is then idk what im doing wrong
It does, which issues are you seeing?
Hey! Amazing work as usual <3 I tried it and I have a small issue, I have super harsh shadows. Almost like pitch black. Do you know what could cause it ? https://imgur.com/a/46LbtvW
It doesn't look like deferred is installed correctly (I didn't see zzz_Deferred in your mod list).
Hi Blackrack! Is there any plans for any volumetric clouds for modded planets like OPM? Just curious, I know that’s a lot of work
Not on my side, there are unofficial OPM configs
RAH
@Blackrack MagPie mods isn't compatible with Deferred Rendering.. Could you update the mod compatibility section to include it? https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/topic/192310-magpie-mods/page/7/#comment-4400804
Magpie mods is just configs for TextureUnlimited which has a compatible fork
Hello, is there any information known about compatibility with FreeIVA? It's quite annoying to look out the window and see quite ugly ship
There is an issue discussion thread on github and a solution that will be implemented by FreeIva's dev.
Is it possible for NeptuneCamera to be compatible with Deferred?
I've not looked into it myself to say, I believe NeptuneCamera's dev is aware of it
I'm using only TVC and Deferred Rendering, and I got like 40-55FPS on a 5800x3d CPU, 6900XT GPU, and 64GB of DDR4 3200 RAM. This seems unusually low? Is that expected? Trying to build up my mods and I just restarted fresh to slowly work my way up and I'm admittedly not impressed with performance. I playing at 3440x1440. With only deferred rendering I was seeing only like 5-10FPS more during a basic rocket launch. 4-5 SRBs.
I think it sounds close to normal but not entirely sure. I get about 60 fps on my 2080 super at 1440p in flight, and if online benchmarks are to be trusted the 6900 xt should perform similarly but you are using a higher screen resolution, there may also be some differences between AMD and Nvidia here. Some things to check: - In game reflection probe settings: Make sure these aren't set to every frame - Cloud upscaling settings: Make sure you didn't install the HQ configs and try increasing the upscaling quality or disabling the untiling to get higher performance as explained here: https://github.com/LGhassen/EnvironmentalVisualEnhancements/wiki/Temporal-upscaling-and-noise-detiling Also send your KSP.log file (you can share it via google drive or other file sharing service) and I will check for anything unusual.
howdy, how do i make clouds thicker/ more?
Open the Ui (alt+0), go the layer you want to modify (Kerbin-clouds-1 for the main layer on Kerbin), scroll down until you see cloud types, adjust the maxAltitudes of cloud types and apply, you'll find more info here https://github.com/LGhassen/EnvironmentalVisualEnhancements/wiki/Raymarched-cloud-configuration#cloudtypes
how do i open the panel for it? i accidently turned on debug and how the game is greyscale
Alt + D
Hey, for some reason Fairings look golden, and have no ambient lighting? here's an image for proof / reference: https://imgur.com/a/xJtErj2
From which mod? The stock fairings do work. If those are stock fairings looking like this then the mod is likely not installed correctly, you might have deleted either Shabby or Harmony.
does it disables pixel count option in the settings?
Sort of, it uses the max pixel light count possible
Hello. Are there any difficulties updating mods from 1.12.2 to the new 1.12.5. Can I easily port this mod to 1.12.2? Or maybe it will work correctly anyway?
They should be compatible
So is there any hope that we can expect kopernicus support for less than ultra shaders? (I know its an known bug) its terrifying in game to have the terrain stop rendering because you didnt realize that the suface shaders arent up to Defferreds requirments
Yeah but for now just be patient and play without deferred until I add support
OK. Now I am now a member. How do I download True Volumetric Clouds?
Make sure you meet/select the tier (there is only one tier), then go to the pinned post. If you're still having issues let me know.
Will this mod break MSAA?
msaa has not been useable for years
Does the reflections and shine work with restock parts?
Works with all parts, the shininess depends on how the original part was made, can't remember about restock specifically
How crucial is TUFX?
It's optional but the AO looks good with deferred, try it and find out
Will this, as well as the volumetric mod work with a Rescale mod?
Both will work, volumetrics require a dedicated config for rescales (not an easy task making volumetric configs), otherwise it will work but not look great
Is there any way to increase the shadow resolution? Or give shadows more defined lines in space?
High or very high preset in scatterer, then manually tweak shadow resolution and distance in scatterer as needed.
Loving the mod. Thanks so much for what you do. I do have a question. Sorry if this is a FAQ. What is this dark band on the horizon? https://i.imgur.com/zXjaqdu.png Possibly a Scatterer issue? I dont recall it pre-DR. But I could be wrong. I updated all the mentioned mods in the compatibility list and am using the TUFX profile.
Pretty sure it has always been there due to Duna being weird in Scale so scaled and local space mismatch
The option for activate the ambient oclusion from the nvidia panel is unavailable for direct12... There are another way for activate it?
Nvidia panel?
the choice for activate the oclusion ambient is unavilable in the nvidia panel for Direct12... mmm there are another way for activate it?
Resource overlays are not showing, not in the tracking station, nor in flight, nor in map view.
Works fine here, so add reproduction steps, logs and screenshots
Just added deferred rendering to my new RSS Reborn install (with latest volumetric clouds, updated parallax, fork of TU etc. Looks great mostly (ground maybe a bit reflective/plasticky?) but main issue is night time is very dark. Screenshot attached: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YoxJFQvJWBjkQxH41uZbQgiFg6qS7f9F/view?usp=sharing KSP.log: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pZGrmEUHAXIppTJX97uXp_rJPlKsFUZS/view?usp=sharing Any help is much appreciated!
I also get some black artifacts in the clouds in the map: Screenshot: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13YRK5d3DebYjYro-4fUrcHVLd5PbZfQo/view?usp=sharing
For some reason, the mod only works in the KSC view for me, once I load a craft the lighting is normal again. I'm using your TUFX profile. Can you help? with Deferred KSC: https://imgur.com/a/nX070MZ flight (Deferred not working): https://imgur.com/a/Jm4ZaI2
Check your reflection probe settings
Hi, the mod doesn't seam to work at all, as if it is not installed. Do I just put the Deferred Master in the Gamedata folder?
I linked to the releases section above, download it from there, don't download the code instead
Do I have to use restock, the mod makes the parts look the same as each other and also changes the stats of said parts. Also it kinder slows down my pc
No you don't
does this work with spectra or do i have to uninstall
Nothing to do with scatterer and eve like it says
I'm having a glitch, which I have tested to make sure it is deferred, where when my camera is near the ground, the ground is very glitchy with black, as well as weird black areas around letters in modded cockpit iva (I know deferred isnt made for iva, but if its possible to fix it would be great. doesnt appear in stock iva) Log and Screenshots: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ALH5FNT9c36Rdhy3XmUHiws2l1tTkc_r
Same, I have that on Vall too
The "Blackrack_TUFX" profile should only be used for the FlightScene and IVA Profiles, right? It's a replacement for the "Default-Flight" profile?
You can use it how you want but yes it's meant to be for flight and IVA.
Looks great. How do I increase the ambient light? I don't have the "planetshine" effect on the side of my spacecraft away from the sun.
i think it's just in the title screen settings
no matter what i do, the textures keep Z-fighting, once i get close to the ground. i have parallax installed so that might be an issue but i'm not sure what to do in this situation.
You need to update Parallax to the latest version that supports deferred (and also update deferred). If that doesn't work send screenshots and KSP.log file
Hey Blackrack, I've tried following all the steps twice (the first time with the volumetric clouds, the second time without) but for some reason my game looks rather orange and dull (even at different times of day): https://imgur.com/a/UMo9E5F Also here is my KSP log if it helps: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17V_fn-sUf2_58BhKjRMy4Txdq1RuYqN8?usp=sharing I noticed your screenshots look a lot better so I probably did something wrong
It doesn't look like any mods are installed at all in your log. There's no mod folders or plugins in GameData, where did you install them?
uh.. Can you tell me in detail the installation process? and And the filter behaves strangely. KSC https://imgur.com/a/4Jj5Qv3 https://imgur.com/a/weapu9p TUFX https://imgur.com/a/AfHA9eU
Go to releases, download, extract in gamedata
Installing the new deffered rendering mod I'm getting this weird visual bug where everything looks washed out and overexposed, there is also a ton of glare/haze around the sun. I suspect it's caused by deffered rendering because removing deffered rendering fixes the issue, although it does look very similar to a bug I had when I first tried the new true volumetrics. Back then I was able to fix it by turning off all Anti-aliasing except for TUFX. Now though, no combination of settings for stock AA and TUFX seem to affect what is going on at all. Here is my log: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/eltbohvtkepekmsqarc7c/Player.log?rlkey=jnzulnesyltsystwqe2jfjagr&dl=0 I am using RaymarchedVolumetricsEarlyAccess01_07_24, the fixed dll for volumetrics v4 from the deffered compatibility page and blackrack's TUFX profile. Here are some screenshots of the bug: https://i.imgur.com/K9ST6Tn.png https://i.imgur.com/KwAXlEQ.png
Don't use any tufx profiles in editors, they get applied twice because of how the scene renders there. I assume you don't have this issue outside of the editors?
Having issues with conformal decals, dont know if it is related to this mod or not but whenever I place the object on another it shades the entire part very dark. https://imgur.com/VTClUBD
Logs if needed - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QcWPGM7prLuieBrEpRCPMxiqjUEqlC2-/view?usp=sharing
How can i check if the mod is running to make sure i installed it correctly? (Thanks for the like, Denis)
Press alt + d, if a debug window pops up and the button on it changes what's displayed on screen, it's installed correctly
Is this compatible with KSRSS?
Deferred should be compatible with most planet packs, it's a rendering method, what you should be worrying about is part/texture mods ...
The volumetrics are awesome ... ! But in regards to 'deferred', this may be an uninformed question, but what is it's compatibility with 'Texture Replacer', the fork of 'Textures Unlimited' is already in use, and perhaps additionally, what would be required to make 'TURD' compatible ... ?
Turd works as long as you use the provided fork of TU. I've not used TextureReplacer in a long time but if it just replaces textures it should work correctly, no idea about other functions it might have though. Try it and let me know.
This of course looks amazing, but why must there be a stylized "transparency" in the vab/sph? I know you said it was a limitation of the mod, but transparent parts are now pretty much invisible when not attached in the editors For what it looks like https://imgur.com/a/FVePpeX
There's not much more to say apart from what's in the transparency section on github
Hey @blackrack, Will your fork of Textures Unlimited by added to CKAN when Deferred is added to CKAN?
My goal is to have it merged into Textures Unlimited so that it's no longer a fork (similar with procedural wings) but I haven't heard back from the author yet. His license is permissive however so if a long time passes and he's inactive this can become its own version on ckan.
It seems that flags only receive ambient light and no sky light/ sun with the current rendering method. Reducing ambient light boost makes them black. Flag parts with a transparent flag on them also appear fully white instead of showing the base texture of the flag.
Yeah flags are transparencies and I haven't done anything for those yet. In my view flags aren't very important and very poorly implemented so I'm not exactly rushing to fix them.
This has definitely been reported before but even after installing the new dll's for scatterer and EVE (and a fresh reinstall of volumetric clouds just to be safe), I'm still getting this odd atmospheric coloring behavior: https://imgur.com/a/JWyfNu3
Send KSP.log file
Not sure if this is conflicting. But my water looks very weird since installing
Send screenshots and ksp.log file
Every letter of text from ASET IVA Props gains a black square around it. I assume this is a transparency problem.
Probably rendering in forward with the wrong fallback. Can you send a screenshot?
When i installed this (beautiful btw), it changed the flooring of my sph from default to dark gray... any way to revert back?
Not at the moment. That's really minor as far as issues go.
The mod is beautiful - using it with the latest Parallax and EVE/True volumetrics. One odd bug I'm getting is a complete white-out effect at high altitude and low orbit. https://imgur.com/a/wycS0yc Tested on both Laythe and Kerbin.
Can you send your KSP.log file?
When downloading the fixed dlls, do we just copy and paste them into location of previous dlls, replacing the old ones?
doing so caused both volumetric clouds and scatterer to stop working. Atmosphere and water effects completely gone (scatterer) and clouds only appear when in 2d range (eve volumetric cloud). Using the "broken" (using old v4 scatter and eve volumetric clouds) dlls and just dropping in the "zzz_Defered" mod folder as well as the Shabby one seems to work fine?
In your TUFX profile engine lights are to bright. Is it possible to reduce this?
Yes, tweak either the bloom or the dynamic exposure
Just installed this mod now that it works with Parallax and already noticing a difference with fps and less lag. I even noticed a bit of a fps increase when launching bigger ships, so this mod overall improves general performance which is amazing. Also wanted to add I actually like the work around for transparency in the editor. I like how I can mouse over a fairing and it just dissolves. Makes it so much easier for building inside of a closed fairing.
That's good to hear, thank you. Performance might still improve a bit more in the near future as the same optimization (deferred rendering) isn't currently applying to the reflection probe so lights remain a bit expensive there, we'll see how that goes.
B9 Fork seems to be problematic, I'm getting error in log [ERR 09:30:02.500] The AssetBundle 'GameData\B9_Aerospace_ProceduralWings\AssetBundles\pwings_windows.bundle' can't be loaded because another AssetBundle with the same files is already loaded. Wings work, but the gizmos in the editor don't show up. I'll try to recreate this in minimal installation since I have a ton of mods.
Not getting this error, so let me know. Sounds like a duplicate mod install but I don't know
(I could be wrong) Went to the mun and started to orbit but the mun started to look odd if you go to the link you can see the clip. Modlist: https://imgur.com/a/exUk9V0 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GLk7xpZ8b_o55gc-MIPh9sLSr7lAwVWW/view?usp=sharing
Haven't seen this before, will see if I could get it
Disclaimer to linux users - This does break KSP (all saves work, don't worry about that) in the VAB/SPH as it causes info boxes to show "default" information (not actually related to the part) and the info box is really small. Issue did not happen previous to installing this mod. No other mods where updated/changed when installing.
Some screenshots and a log file would help here considering linux users are a minority
I'm getting some bright ambient light in all scenes as though ambient light boost is turned up (it's not). Running deferred 1.1.10.0 and volumetric clouds v4 as well as the mod list here: https://imgur.com/a/mQo1fXM
I'm not familiar enough with all these mods to say if any of them change the lighting. I would say test with just deferred and volumetric clouds (and without tufx) and see if the problem goes away first.
Hey Blackrack. I get this weird bug with your TUFX profile where darkness envelops the water. I also have your True Volumetric Clouds and True Scatterer. I am using the low-performance-impacting config for True EVE. How can I fix this? Thanks!
I'm aware of it but I've not managed to get the issue on my side so I can debug it. I think the only solution for now is to disable HDR in the tufx profile.
Sorry took some time, it makes no difference if you overwrite 118 with 113 and so had to do a fresh install, these are the only mods I have Mods: https://i.imgur.com/AfMyRKm.jpeg 113: https://i.imgur.com/wv68l0v.jpg 118: https://i.imgur.com/32NxZO6.jpeg I noticed your TUFX profile is nice and bright in 118 but did not change the framerate before I applied it to after.
Thank you, can you try 1.1.9? I Just uploaded it (no need to redo screenshots) and it fixes an issue with the reflectionProbe settings so that might play into it. If you can also upload your KSP.log file so I can see if anything went wrong there.
I just did some testing after getting low fps, fresh install etc, there is definitely a difference in fps from 1.13 and 1.18, on the 1st one on a new game I got 130fps+-, on the latest version I get 80s. Is this normal?
If you can post a side by side comparison video or screenshots of the two versions in the same scenario, including the framerate.
Does the mod affect performance outside of super light heavy situations?
It eliminates depth prepass which in theory should help a little bit with CPU usage, and could help with the GPU usage with Parallax's tesselation and scatters. I haven't benchmarked the first and we won't know for the second until Parallax updates with full support.
Looks like no one can stop you from making great mods ^^ I installed Deferred yesterday and noticed a small interface problem in the game settings popup - it's a minor issue and I think it's just a graphical bug, but I thought it was worth mentioning. Here are the screens: https://imgur.com/a/5382YfM And the KSP.log file: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AscsRh5cTjJ8hd01U4wCVISxE8fkUw?e=Pxlawm In any case, when Parallax is available, we'll have access to an impressive range of mods!
Interesting, I'm forcing the reflection probe to be enabled if it's disabled, and the game probably doesn't like it. Should probably be easy to fix.
With this, parallax, and volumetrics, the game has officially outdone KSP2. The only thing I would add is maybe a mod that revamps reentry/atmospheric effects around the ship, but apart from that I’d say it’s perfect.
Wow, you're really enhancing this game beautifully! With your contributions, along with Linx's and the other modders', it's starting to feel almost like a superior version of KSP2.
Brilliant as always. I'm a newbie in terms of computer graphics. Is this like a balance between KSP2's glossy textures and KSP1's dark textures? If so, can this be changed in the cfg?
Thank you, not something that can be changed in cfg files, it's more how the lighting model works.
One more question please - is it possible to somehow prevent the screen from going all wild when I press the screenshot button? When I do edges of all the clouds get "black" for a brief moment before they fade back to how they should look. It doesn't affect gameplay, and the screenshots look great, but it mostly disables me from making screenshots while capturing immersive footage for YouTube.
If you disable screenshot supersizing in your settings.cfg file it won't do that anymore. That only happens when doing supersampled screenshots. Don't have another solution right now but will keep it in mind for the future.
You mentioned the ambient lighting produces a similar light in low orbit, as planet shine does. Does this mean I should disable PlanetShine alltogether when using this plugin?
Probably yes but it's up to you, there might be cases where you might find it brighter or it would give you more control.
Does it work with eve configs like spectra with all its add ons? Do we need to uninstall planetshine to have it work?
I just tested it and Planetshine seems to be obsolete at default settings (you can barely see it), I would say remove it unless you have custom settings. Spectra is just configs for EVE and Scatterer and those are compatible.
blackrack just stays in the lab cooking up the greatest mods
So I have V4 from a previous time I was subbed to here but tried to use it in vr with both patches of VR and Deferred V4 patch but clouds just disappear.
And does it work without deferred?
Also Thank you for working with parallax an Linx!
I'm so very excited! Long Live KSP!
Good grief man thats incredible!
If this add something "similar" to planetshine, does that mean that we can ditch that mod or does planetshine still provide better ambient light and get the benefice (when using the "area" setting)?
would like to know this as well
I tried KSRSS with the Deferred mod (1.1.3.0) but ground textures seem to bring some issues.
Is Parallax installed?
This is really great, I won't be able to play without this again, will be great with parallax, but will pick this over it any day.
Hey Blackrack, I miss my auroras. Have you considered bringing those into your mod, or is there a way to do it currently? I run your mod alongside AVP
I might have mentioned that I'm going to add 3d auroras. With that said mixing 2d and 3d clouds doesn't render correctly but if you still want to do it add empty volumetric layers to your aurora configs like this https://pastebin.com/raw/QSw8HVSH
Great work, this is amazing! While not a major mod like those listed above, I did some testing and noticed that Magpie Mods is incompatible. Using both mods creates an issue where most (all?) parts have a slight bit of transparency when viewed in front of another part. It also seems to cancel the effect of this mod entirely, too. Love the reflective windows. While the transparent windows of KSP2 are ideal to me (which would be a heavy workload to replicate) I see this more as a nice successor to WindowShine. However, some parts like the Mk1 cockpit seem to have a much stronger reflection than other parts with windows. I assume this factor boils down to how the part mesh was created, but I do wish all parts were as dramatic as the Mk1. If there is any way to adjust part reflections/shine in a .cfg file I'd be living the dream. For now, I'll stick with Magpie Mods for that effect. Obviously, this isn't the intention of the mod - but it is a great byproduct! Again, hats off for the fantastic work! Following along with your mods is part of what inspires me to continue playing KSP.
That's how that cockpit was authored, my intention is to preserve how everything was authored so that all mod parts are compatible. Other modders will probably adjust part configs/textures one by one in the future but that's out of scope for the rendering itself.
Close enough, welcome back WindowShine
This is great, il wait until conformal and parallax are ready before trying it. But incredible work.
I uninstalled parallax to get this mod but forgot i had an OPM parallax config installed. Anyways works great.
How long do you think until it's compatible with Parallax? I'd love to add it to my main modded instance
Linx is working on it, so probably soon
One of my friends is having problems, after they downloaded the mod, there atmosphere would disappear (at random) , we cant figure out why. They also play on Linux
Gotta send screenshots/video and log
This + restock + volumetric clouds, and a good TUFX profile is stunning. Great work
KSP1 looking better than KSP2 already... Amazing work. Unfortunately it seems like it doesn't work for me, I can't explain it but it doesn't look at all like the screenshots. Here is my KSP log if you wish to look at it: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cpMM_eTOKFB2xYUSmWn5_YPd0xV45qaf/view?usp=sharing And here is a screenshot https://imgur.com/a/m8mwt6o
What did I say about Parallax? 😅 Also looks like there may be an issue with KerbalKonstructs, I'll have to test that
I'm assuming parallax collides with the mod? Or does it just look weird.
It just renders broken with a lot of artifacts and issues
Does this make Planetshine redundant?
It probably does. But there are cases where having the manual control in planetshine might be useful.
First off, thank you for continuing your amazing work! I gave this a download and tried it with a fresh install and KSRSS Reborn, but when I did the terrain was REALLY dark, and then when my craft got to around orbital altitude everything turned kind of green. I didn't have any of the incompatible mods downloaded. Screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/dvmDaRd
Can you send your KSP.log file?
Got this strange bug where far away things are much brighter than distant ones, almost like the nearclip plane of something or other has been set wrong: https://imgur.com/a/iYhJXm1
I already fixed that a few hours back. You're either on Linux or Mac right? Can you redownload the newest version?
Very nice work, Blackrack. Unfortunately, I won't be downloading this update just yet, at least not until Conformal Decals and Parallax are both updated. Can't break my vessels, you know!
That's exactly what I suggest, unless you just want to see/play with it right now.
So, Parallax notwithstanding, how compatible is it with traditional visual mods (AVP, Spectra, etc.)?
You mean old cloud config and scatterer configs? Fully compatible
You love to see it! Great work!
Wow this is absolutely stunning! Amazing job man!
NOICE
Hello! i installed all the mods related to this post and now I have a problem. it is showing a circle of black particles around my vessel, and only when zoomed in. I will create a problem post on github to attach a photo! thanks.
As it says in the post Parallax is not compatible yet
You are bringing KSP1 into the modern era
I'm doing my part!
thx for the work you put into KSP and the community, you're amazing dude
My clouds are disappearing, what could be the cause of that?
Screenshots and log file?
How do you exactly open the TUFX menu?
The icon that says TUFX, you can see it in my last screenshot
Looks great I will test it later. How far can modding go in KSP? Can it improve performance more or is there a limit?
In theory the only real limits are modders' time and mental energy.
oh dear these look amazing, can't wait to test these later