BONUS - THE CRASH (NETFLIX)

she sold weed, that’s how she had money and fat doinks

i knew about this about a year or so before the netflix documentary, because i watched a youtube documentary about it. then the netflix one came out and i was like “wait why do i know this already?” and it took me a while to figure out i saw an independent documentary on it

5 stars! I love this jazz. Usually James, is the base the direction of the convo. Jimmie comes in with the improv working man beats. This is so Jimmie's jam, the enthusiasm ...tru friends,lol.

Wow she had no tears! And we all know what that means.

The Carney language made me need to hear you guys do this doesn't disappoint lol

57:20 I disagree, the point the judge was making that she has all this empathy for her daughter and nothing for Dayvion. I don't think you had to know him much to acknowledge how sad it was. They were saying abhorrent things that if only HE had died she wouldn't even be in prison. They were allegedly all so close and a tight nit group but now it's we don't know him? Plenty of people hold space and sympathy for people who died in proximity to them. Not knowing them or wanting to know him makes it worse. You accident or not killed this kid and have zero interest in who he was? Then why even call the sister and apologize? Most judges expect some acknowledgement of the victims even if you didn't know them, but something to show you are remorseful. If a killer just gets up and goes me, me me it paints a pretty clear picture of what this is really about.

I just listened to this one! James did you ever get Tye Stick weed? Here in Washington in the 80’s about the same as you an eighth was $25… this was nice buds with crystals and red hairs- and soooo sticky! Then there was the Colombian it had massive seeds and was dry and weak! We would put it in a frisbee and shake out the seeds! Only had this when we could not find any thing else! Good times!

Please please please do the Netflix show A Toxic Love Story. It will be HILARIOUS!!!

Just listened to you guys praise Cobain. Don’t listen to what they tell you to do 🤷🏻‍♂️

Just subscribed to the bonus episodes. Love it. In my estimation on Netflix the episodes are 10% of what you wanna really say. Patreon, 40%? If you went anywhere close to 100% you’d be relieved (take away the strict timelines, once a month), the loyals would ecstatic, and you’d be icons in a convoluted genre. Just a tought.

Jimmie: We would have felt BAD for her! [pause] James: ...after a minute... 🤣

I've been thinking about the choice of a bench trial. I wonder if her attorneys were thinking public opinion was so against her that the jury would be poisoned. Also, a judge would be more likely to apply the law rather than emotions in a verdict.

I didn't watch this doc before listening, which I'm glad of now. If I were to watch just one doc about Mackenzie, which one should I watch? Cause I don't think I could stomach watching more than one.

Yes this is what we want!! And would definitely pay extra for you guys to do makeup!! Lol 😆

This childish girl McKenzie, reminds me of that awful girl from MTV's Teen Mom program. (Farah Abrahams)

Can you guys do some HBO documentaries? I don't have netflix and feel like I need to watch the netflix documentary to enjoy/follow along with all these patreon episodes 😭

Listening to her injuries: any other hypermobile zebras in here wonder if she's also hypermobile that saved her? Because all that separated muscle- that's connective tissue, but her size and being bendy might mean she's essentially floppy. It's like how drunk drivers survive more because they're not braced Update: I've seen some of her old pictures and there is 100% hypermobility

I said this exact thing about her guilt, and thought "James would say the same thing." She would have probably had a better chance (not saying she deserved it, just facts) to take it in front a jury because there really is no evidence or intent. And I believe her lawyer brought just a "smidge" of reasonable doubt up. But she did it, let's not confuse my opinion with facts. 😅

I’m surprised you guys didn’t mention the dad’s “boom” shirt. Poor sartorial choice.

I think we as a country have gotten to an absolutely *ridiculous* point in what a "good" sentence is. I very rarely am happy with a sentence north of 20 or 25 years, irrelevant of crime. 15-life seems entirely reasonable for this instance, especially since she will almost assuredly not get out in 15 since she is such a fuck up. Frothing at the mouth to sentence a child for twice as long as they have currently been alive seems irrational to me. The point of prison is reform, not locking someone up and throwing away the key. We should WANT people to get out and live productive lives on the other side. Also, what's the point of having an age where someone becomes "an adult" if we are just going to ignore it and sentence literal children as adults anyway?

James' tiktok rant is perfection 🤌🏼

One of the documentaries revealed her phone GPS shows that she drove that route days before the night of the crash. She planned that crash is why her turn was so calm.

Next bonus ep: J&J's makeup tutorials! 💄

Love your work. You were far too gentle on the asshat parents. May be a full Small Town Murder episode?

Yeah, you’re right Jimmy I don’t have social media, but I have seen this on Netflix but it just looks like something too obvious and too dumb so I’ve not watched it.

Jimmie s I How Dare YOU? I killed me

What are the other docs or shows to watch on this case? I want more details.

I said to my friend, "She's the prime example of what happens when you don't tell your children no."

Mackenzie adopted? I heard it on one of the docs or maybe just women talking.

I swear I heard somewhere that she was adopted…?

*raises hand sheepishly* I’m one of those few who had no idea what this was about. Appreciate the guys explaining - just in case.

I hadn't heard of this story until the guys mentioned it one day. I go to Netflix and start watching. Within 30 minutes I'm pissed off at everyone in it plus James and Jimmie for alerting me to the fact that those fuckers exist! 😂 It's exactly how I felt about the jizz stain that had plural rapes. (I refuse to say marriage since over half of them couldn't consent) I remember watching that series and thinking thanks a lot, Jimmie and James. Now I have to walk around this planet knowing they share it with me! 😂

The first 4 minutes are why I love Patreon even more than your regular shows. The chemistry between you 2 when you’re just talking is gold!

If I could give Makenzie ZERO stars, I would!

Please 🙏 do an episode on the Poly show with the Yahwehs

I’m definitely the one person living under a rock I haven’t heard of this case until now

She never took responsibility for what she did but she made sure to say over and over that it wasn’t intentional.

Has anyone seen “Maternal Instinct” on Netflix? I swear I’ve heard them do that episode before!!?

I’ve been waiting for you guys to cover this!! Love your point of view and totally agree.

So glad you chose this one! NEXT! Maternal Instincts on Netflix….bat shit stuff and sad.

Did anyone else feel like the end of the video where she was talking to her lawyer off camera made the whole thing look fake and staged?

This girl's parents pissed me off so much!

It IS what Patreon wants 😂😂😂

Please please please I’d stab my gramma with a spoon for a makeup tutorial

Did anyone else notice that the ONLY time she wore a seatbelt was that night… 🤔

1. This is what we come here for 2. Thanks for the background! Sometimes y'all assume we know something about the case which is kinda fun too because then I try to piece it together as you go lol

17:45 The makeup tutorial or anything fashion with the boys would be HILARIOUS

Borderline/histrionionic personality disorder. Thanks for letting us know about the other docs. Didn’t know about this story until The Crash. The whole thing is sad. Thanks for covering this, guys. Love all y’all do!

I’m so glad you guys said it, because I keep telling people…yes I think she did it, but I am still UNCOMFORTABLE with the fact that someone can be convicted on such little actual evidence. The two things can exist at the same time.

The parents & bff are why I needed you to do this! There’s a lot of nuance the documentary didn’t explore

I can’t find the good crash footage from the building

I haven't heard of this case, but then I'm in a small town in the UK. She sounds like a terrible human being. A brat in need of discipline from a young age. Her parents are also responsible for her behaviour, although not the murder. I do enjoy listening to James amd Jimmie talking about these cases. James always sounds so indignant at officials not doing what they're supposed to do; he has a very literal interpretation of the job of prosecutors.

Pleaseeee do the makeup episode! I would pay good money to see that 🤣

"She looks terrible." 🤣🤣🤣 Her parents are not good. She is her mother's child.

I have never laughed more or appreciated someone else knowing the feeling of not wanting to cum at the wrong part in porn 🤣 “You’re trying to scrub real fast” sent me

I always love when James works in a Goodfellas quote. I guess I never realized how many parts of that movie apply to everyday life for non-wiseguys.

My vote for funniest line is Jimmie saying “I can’t hate this bitch loud enough!”

I motion for Jimmie and James's makeup tutorial!

Thank you for calling out how shit the Netflix doc was, absolutely just to create chatter amongst people without all the facts. Also some of that money might have been hers, there's some evidence of prostitution on her phone. And it seems Dom found out so she could've killed him to also keep him quiet.

What do we need to do to actually get a makeup show though

Fuck Netflix

Getting dropped from Netflix in 3….2….

4mins in the documentary and I’m already annoyed.

I listen to your commentary/take on these documentaries so that I don’t have to watch them. You’re doing a great service to us!

All the porn oopsies talk made me so grateful to be bi 😆 🤣 On the multiple choice, I pick all of the above lol

Around 19 minutes in has me CRYING 😂😭

I would pay to hear your "private" thoughts... Just saying 🤣 disgusting, shocking... All of them 🤣

The Making of a Murderer was another "documentary" that conveniently left out facts.

I voted for this . Hey From Modoc Sc

Netflix pissed me tf off, hate how much space they gave her parents to talk shit and tried to make her out to be some innocent little girl??? 🤢 the Hulu one is good, hope you guys watch that one and I hope the worst for her

OMG. Speaking carny! My father owned a carnival when we were little and that is how they communicated with each other. They would rip people off on the carnival games. Lol. I never heard anybody outside of the carnival speaking. I didn’t know that wrestlers use that language. My sister and I would do it in high school and we drove everybody crazy🤣🤣

I think she was so narcissistic and entitled she fully believed she could survive…and unfortunately she was right

Unfortunately James is wrong, as a prosecutor, I’m gonna use what I can and think shows that you showed reckless indifference towards another’s life. Fuck her

10/10 would watch you two do makeup tutorials alongside social commentary 🙌🏻

I grew up close to the city she’s from. She got away with acting like this because of where she lives. I don’t wanna sound like a judgmental asshole, but there’s a decent amount of entitlement and self-importance there. They have more money than a lot of the other suburbs around and they make sure you know it. 😬

This girl needs to stay cray

They both died on impact. Officers pronounced them dead on scene. According to medical and forensics both died on impact from severe head trauma. Dom's sister came out and said that too. The only person talking when the police got there was MacKenzie. Also, her dad is not in his 70s.

I will pay $20 to watch y’all do your makeup and talk about something absurd. Please

Poll was rigged. Netflix sucks

I didn’t realize her parents have another child who’s older than Mackenzie. I’ve watched a few of the YouTube videos but you guys added even more info here. Thanks for being so thorough and cracking me up on this Monday!

“moral” duty to the state lol

James, the prosecutor's job is to WIN. It is. Plain. And. Simple. Get convictions. It's not to find the truth and do whats best for the state. Its win at any cost. That's the truth.

Dad is the MOST immature of this whole story and THE VERY REASON Makenzie was the way she was. Mom was just the insecure follower that supported both of these dip-shits.🤦🏼‍♀️

Correct, we want all the weird and gross shit in your heads. It’s exactly what we pay for! ❤️

47.17...what did he say??

I need to know where to see the other angle of the actual crash. Cause the one I ever find is the one Netflix shows

Jimmy and James makeup tutorial lives liveshow when?

We need a makeup tutorial ASAP

An airbag deploys in 20 to 30 milliseconds. That’s a 100 to 200mph. She should have been a boxer with that reaction speed.

Lol!!!! Now we are gunna have to see a makeup tutorial yall…😂😂😂

As someone from the greater Cleveland area I can confirm an asshole family in Strongsville is the equivalent of finding forks in a kitchen.

THIS, THIS IS WHY I PAY!

I agree you guys!

Horrible episode

I can not find the angle they are referring to in the beginning

Dom and her were both drug dealers. And doms mom is an attorney or something like that. Apparently a big name in the area.

This is the result of parents who want to be bffs and set no boundaries and the toxic pop culture/influencer social media universe (which has the morals of an alleycat. No offense to the felines!) These parents are as responsible as McSleazy!

4:30 💯love the bonus madness

Her sister is younger, not older and the parents aren’t that far apart in age

Jimmie’s top button flannel comment was the best!!! I’d pay money to see that lol

The tickets in prison they go to someone else and some of her tickets she’s been found not guilty.

Vintage clothing is manufactured pre 2006 now! 👵🏼💀

Air bags are for average height and weight. I am 5'0". Air bags can kill me.

Jimmie if you ever come to Australia stock up duty free because even the worst cigarettes are $50 a pack here 😂

Make up tutorial and dancing after would be gold! Please

I can’t remember which show I saw this on, but they said she drove that route the day before!

The one friend saying she wouldnt have tried to kill herself because they went to McDonald's and she didnt get anything fatty cause she cared about her body. I 😜 so hard.

I can always count on you guys to point out the obvious that a 13 year old should not be dating a 17 year old. I was screaming at the documentary when this fact came up. No one else has talked about this in other coverage of this case and everyone in their lives seemed to think this was ok. Enraging 😡

I think someone was selling drugs because they had a scale in the car with them.

You have clearly never experienced a Hog-back Growler! It’s when a man shoves all his junk between his legs towards his asshole and moons you. This is how I was welcomed into my fiancé’s family “many moons ago”.

Hoo boy loved this ep so much. James’s laughing fit was GOLD

Not Italian but I agree

The documentary was super boring and I spent most of it contemplating who could eat more waffles Andre The Giant or G Gordon Liddy.

I thought James would hate her more than he did

It's not for me to judge, but I'm pretty sure the world doesn't need this useless twat.

Looking forward to the makeup tutorials

Loved this pod, I can’t believe you didn’t mention that while being interviewed the father is wearing a t shirt with a cartoon explosion and the word (BOOM) written across the front!

I knew this was going to be so good lol

"Don't be a contrary asshole" should be a shirt!

I would pay even extra to see James and Jimmie do a makeup tutorial.

I need to watch the other documentaries over this, but I have a suspicion that her grandiose personality gave her a belief that she couldn’t die. I also wonder if maybe Dom on the phone was a trigger, she might have thought he was texting another girl. I also feel that she moved into his house so young because she wanted to assert the same control over him she had over her parents and monitor him at all moments.

Working at a public defenders office even in a liberal city I can say prosecutors absolutely think their job is just to win

I would totally watch your makeup tutorial 😁 as long as you keep your pants on lol

You two are the only ones I could tolerate discussing this asshole family. I do want the makeup show, please....sans bare asses and balls. Some things should remain mysterious.

I have only seen The Crash. I'm thinking about pausing this and watching the other docs. I came away from The Crash confused about what happened and not hating her. Lemme get straight.

I would totally watch videos of yall trying to do makeup tutorials lmao

It's been mentioned that Mackenzie drove down Progress Dr. before the crash, and there was speculation that she was scoping it out. But why was she there the morning of the crash? Seems to me if she had no reason to be there, the fact she WAS there is another point in the "She Did This On Purpose" column.

cuyahoga county is very lenient for juveniles and young offenders. it’s honestly surprising she got 15 years. so i think that was the main reasoning for the prosecution to play the halloween tiktok. it wouldn’t fly in the average court, but cuyahoga county is notorious for slap on the wrist punishments for juveniles and young adults.

She has shown zero remorse. She is right where she belongs. I wonder how her older sibling turned out?

Great job, Jimmie and James!!!

I’ve heard this story before the Netflix documentary, but I did watch it. But where are the other documentaries cause I’d like to see other points of view

I remember buying those $20 grams in cigarette box cellophane, melted with a lighter to seal.

I genuinely just wanted to hear you guys call her so many names - it's not deeper than that lol

I paused this for awhile right before you talked about the weird sex stuff she is doing in prison. I thought I was listening to the wrong episode when I played it again. Wtf

Here's some of Shrilla's prison record: https://www.scribd.com/document/1044717876/Mackenzie-Shirilla-corrections-disciplinary-file

I'll be honest. I skip a lot of these viral true crime or cult documentaries because I know if the story is interesting, James and Jimmie will cover it in a bonus episode. I'd take this over an overlong, dramatic documentary full of very punchable people any day.

Google says both of her parents are in their mid to late 40s. Not sure where Jimmie got the age info from. Thanks for the episode!!💜

Gotta be honest, I really hoped we’d here the rest of that Kouri bitch’s story this week because I am so tired of hearing about shirilla but fuck if I didn’t laugh my ass off at the guy’s comments about her and her shitty parents 😂😂😂

The dad is 59 and the mom is 52

43 and I still stub my glass bowl out after a rip

The one thing I noted was her parents participated a great deal in the Netflix doc, but did not do interviews for some of the other docs.

There are much better documentaries out there. Investigators found that she had done trial runs down the road in days prior to the crash. McKenzie is a classic borderline personality disorder. Borderlines are scary because they’re more prone to actually following through on suicide, etc… I absolutely think she intended this as murder suicide. She has made threats like this, and she was going to do it the next time her boyfriend tried to leave her or something like that.

Yeaaa that’s not what I pay for…

I didnt watch the netflix show because i had heard about it so many times but i had to listen to This!

OMG We absolutely NEED James and Jimmie to do a makeup tutorial

Hello Turkeys! Where can I see the birds eye view of the crash? Thank you.

The actual crash site is about four miles from my house and this case has been in the local news since it happened and I’m just over all of it, but the guys were absolutely hilarious with their breakdown of things.

Idk what the crash is 🤷‍♀️ remember the crash, didn’t watch the show.

I grew up a town over from Strongsville and her mom used to babysit my cousin

I started the doc and got about a minute into it and was like uh na. I did see another show on this case. The age difference really got to me but her parents being 60 or 70 makes sense. I do think it was a suicide/murder attempt, somehow the lil asshole girl lived. I hate social media as is and I can't bring myself to watch Tiktok, I question guys watching it, it was something kids watched for a while, now a bunch of adults watch it. I don't know the draw of it but I don't understand ppl anyway. This case made me so angry but she was still a kid, not justifying it in anyway.

I didn’t expect to hear Jimmie mention Bubba the Love Sponge.

I love James’s more unpopular takes regarding the TikTok friend and prosecutor.

Dayvion probably knew that with minimal quality equipment you can charge $50-$100 per 30-45 minute haircut.

I definitely believe she was guilty. Her parents are complacent or afraid of her. The video evidence and the car data was very damning.

Minute 18:40 is. PLEASE WE NEED THAT MAKE UP TUTORIAL

Jimmy the dad was born in 1967 and mom in 1974 seven years not 17 bro wtf 😅. He is 59

I agreed with James! They all annoyed me

Disgustingly, i’ve non stopped binged on this case for a while now, and despite the fact that they’re hilarious, (and despite the fact i actually would pay to see a video of Jimmys ballsack) you can’t take away that this is the most intellectually honest breakdown of the case yet 💁‍♀️

Great job guys. She has such a punchable face and I'd like a few minutes with her.

No mention of the McChicken or did I just miss that

I would watch every make-up tutorial you two did, repeatedly.

I have POTS, doesn't stop me driving and I'm a heavy machinery operator, so that excuse is bullshit

I heard she was a prostitute also

Phone calls from prison

This chick sounds like Voldemort as a child

“People paid to hear us say this” 💀💀💀

Her dad did an interview and said that if only Davion died, McKenzie wouldn’t be in jail right now. I think the mom’s comments were in furtherance of that sentiment. Terrible family all around.

Just watch the doc and thankfully, I am older and wiser…just saying!

This is going to be a great listen!

Regarding the fight theory- I personally think they did have a nasty argument in the car, but by the time she makes that calm turn, they had quieted to an uncomfortable silence (maybe Dominique got on his phone to escape the tension). And the calm, perfect turn was her internally making the final decision to gun it. I’ve been in cars with peers before where arguments broke out and ended with a weird silence and going to phones to ignore whatever was just said.

can confirm i wanna hear weird shit & would watch a make up video 😂

I never heard about this before. Since I don't follow anything

Yes, we want the disgusting shit. We're sickos.

I just love hearing what James says about stuff.

Strongsville might be to big if a city for small town murder. But there was a teacher from their highschool murdered s few years ago. Everyone thought it was the husband but it was that son in law. I think the whole story would make a great episode. Express or normal. Either way lol

I feel stupid that I have never heard of this. 😅 This was insane.

She is where she should be.... eventually she'll become washed up! IMO

Guys PLEASE do your makeup for a Patreon. I would legit pay $20 just to see it. Sarah would love to do it so please lol

@24:00 being a local that's just the city kids. All the parents treat their kids that way. It seems that way at least. Idk I'm just a guy

I also love how the dad calls weed "dope"

Holy fuck her parents... Such fucking enabling cunts.

So glad this is happening! My chiropractor is right down the street from where this crash happened. Rip those boys

I love how she says it is because she has POTS and she “passed out” while driving and didn’t hit the break. Funny thing is, when you pass out, you don’t put more pressure on the gas 🙄🙄 it’s like they think everyone else is stupid.

If the makeup show doesn’t happen I’ll be devastated 😭😭😭

Dominic's mom is a lawyer.

I agree with you, yes, I agree your hate her like we all do. No remorse.

Yay you made my weekend!!

I just watched this! It's a wild documentary. Looking forward to listening to you guys talk about it!

I love the guys take on the crash.

YAAAAYYY!

Yassss, highly anticipated episode.

Omg yes!! Can’t wait!!