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Joe Exotic's style is just as tacky. All the camo and American flag shit.

I bought a copy of Jessica Hahn's playboy and read her article! It's one of my favorite possessions

Now that Carol's husband has been found, will we get a YWA main feed for her?

Yes to big dreams small spaces! I love Monty Don. Check out his farming show as well!

I would have loved to hear you both talk about Bad Vegan! Perhaps another episode to invite Mike back for?

Obviously I'm listening to this well after y'all posted this, but the reaction to Carol Baskin reminds me a bit of the recent upheaval over the Bad Art Friend articles. Where, like, the worst thing you can be in the public eye, sometimes, is a woman that people find annoying and tacky.

Also y'all mentioning Carol Baskin is considered tacky... Like Joe Exotic isn't tacky as fuck???

I have a degree in video editing and I started to watch Tiger King because I like a lot of documentaries and I like gossip, but like... 5 minutes in and I could immediately tell that the editing was phenomenally biased and honestly bullshit. It felt like a smear campaign more than anything. I stopped watching right then because I knew the editing would make me too angry.

There’s a great podcast that talks more in depth about Joe Exotic by wondery.

My cousin does marathon horror movie watch parties, so I'm inspired to offer up a saw watch along https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qX2_8CHPJhU&list=PLpdfG5tfArAXHeoLjfxHsnX06Vxj-Jdmv&index=1

I could literally cry with relief to hear someone else acknowledge everything I have been saying about Carole Baskins versus the Tiger King. You have no idea the abuse I have taken from people for making these simple, logical points! So frustrating.

The discussion about journalistic ethics of Tiger King made me think of the recent Netflix show about the death of of Elisa Lam at the Cecil Hotel. (I listened to the YWA episode about that case a while back so I knew about it already.) The tv show covered in 4 episodes what could have been covered in 1, it left out the important detail that the hatch of the tank was open when it was found by the janitor until the final episode and it, (IMO) egregiously slandered Morbid the death metal music artist by talking about the "case" against him in episode 3 and then revealing that it was all bogus and he had proof he wasn't even there in episode 4. I have to constantly remind myself that Netflix documentarians aren't presenting facts - they're telling a story and there is a lot of spin.

I would totally listen to a Sarah Saw companion limited podcast.

I really loved the talk about dating at the end of this one. I feel what Sarah was explaining deep in my soul.

A terrible abusive person I used to work with was the editor for tiger King so this awful edit isn’t a shocker

Late to the party, but I’ve exhausted the shows that are available on Spotify! Just leaving a comment to say how much fun I have listening to you guys. I’m working from home and laughing with you guys on a Friday morning. Feeling weirdly but warmly content x

I'm so sorry for posting this like 6 months after you posted it but i was really glad to hear your perspective on Carole Baskin/Tiger King. I've been in rescue for almost a decade and one of my biggest takeaways is that rescue people are fucking WEIRD. i think to devote a huge part of your life and time and money and energy to taking care of animals and seeing them as needing your advocacy you have to be kind of an intense person -- like obviously liking animals isn't weird, but the significant everything rescue people invest in them requires a certain level of weirdness. also, 90% of the rescue owners/advocates i know inherently think animals are better than people in a fundamental way and many of them dislike people and have trouble hiding that dislike when interacting with them. since i'm autistic i spend a lot of time studying how people interact because i want to be less confused in human interactions XD and animal people are always such a giant wild card of weirdness. so tl;dr i'm not surprised Carole Baskin interviewed terribly and came off weird, because to me that is a big ol' common trait of people who are really entrenched in animal rescue.

I’m so fascinated by the idea of “femininity” and how it plays into our lives. It reminded me of an experience I had in my early 20s that has always bothers me. I lived in San Jose Ca and both my friend and I saw the same hairdresser who’s English was not great. Our conversations were limited but I tried. My friend was a kindergarten teacher. Is thin and beautiful and had been with her boyfriend for many years by then. I was super athletic and worked in very high level corporate finance. I hadn’t had a boyfriend in awhile. One day friend went to see hairdresser and hairdresser asked friend if I was a lesbian. I was SO upset. Then so upset at myself for being upset. I certainly didn’t and don’t consider being a lesbian as anything other than who you are when you are one. I was/am not but have no value added to it so why was I so upset. I finally realized that she wasn’t really asking for my sexual preference. She was essentially saying that I was not feminine and she didn’t understand why. That has haunted me ever since. It’s such a bizarre thing especially since others have accused me of being the epitome of stereotypic femininity. Or at least I was then.

I'm like halfway through your episodes and AM OBSESSED with you guys. I'm always listening. I'm not listening in order so I don't know if you've made one about Jonestown but that'd be amazing. The members of Charles Manson's Family. And Australia's wildlife - this idea that you can encounter a beast that can kill you everyday in Australia, although people living there don't seem too nervous about it.

Sarah, I know you don’t like/haven’t watched Portlandia but have you seen Stumptown??

One of my coworkers used to bring in a 12 pack of Tab to work every week and keep it in the fridge and he would go get a couple every day to drink. In 2019. It shook me to the core.

I just listened to this episode and months late want to say its not you're wrong about but the podcast over my dead body's second season has a much more even portrayal of Carol and Joe and is why even with Tiger King I couldn't believe she's a murderer

Trawling all the end of year best podcasts lists (YWA is on many of them!) I found the podcast Cat People regarding the issues of big cat private ownership in the US. It apparently aired before the Tiger King explosion, so they released a YWA style episode in response, detailing the issues surrounding misleading edits like the ones Mike described, payments made to interview subjects, and more. It's a 5 episode mini series and I dug it. If you're interested in all the reasons Carole Baskins has been eliminated as a suspect in her husband's disappearance, The Murder Squad did an episode back in April pretty thoroughly debunking that, including an interview with Florida law enforcement involved in the case.

New patreon here! I’d love an episode on shannan watts.

In part 2 of the Newsboys Strike you mentioned the newsies knew they were essential and that gave them power and it wasn’t like a donut workers strike. That made me think of the Bagel Famine and the bagel workers strike in NYC in the 1960s. I’d love to hear a podcast on that.

An episode on Amanda Knox! I started listening to her new podcast this week (Labyrinths, recommended). And it sent me on a deep-dive of her case, which I realized I had completely wrong.

An episode on xoJane would be so indulgent ... ✨

I'd love y'alls take on the "Diana Interview" documentary and the Royal Family's responses to how Charlies and Diana's relationship was portrayed on the Crown.

I don’t believe it’s been covered in any capacity by you guys yet—can you cover the whole fake moon landing staged by Kubric conspiracy? :) I love outer space and and I love Kubric and I love debunking crazy conspiracies!

Did you guys plan the YWA Princess Diana series to match the release of the new series of The Crown? Love your show! X

Is there a Nov Bonus Room? My patreon app keeps having issues. Not sure if I missed one or if YWA skipped this month.

https://apple.news/Afxyb8VqUR9WAU4VZRSvk9A WTF BBC?!

This is the old theme music isn't it?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf1-a8L70y4 I think part of getting into the podcast was being reminded of this killer jam from my childhood

Just want to say thank you and let you know you're making a real difference in the world. I'm definitely a better dad for having listened to this show. Husband and person too, actually.

My mom drank Tab up until the pandemic when she couldn’t find it in stores, and now it’s finally being discontinued.she’s switched to Diet Coke

An episode about being transgender. Lots of misinformation in the public as a whole.

I am feeling a lot of mixed feelings for the next part of the O.J. Simpson trial. I am really looking forward to y’all covering the trial and hearing more. I absolutely bought a Marcia Clark hoodie because HOT DAMN 1995 was a rough year. I also discovered that Kim Goldman has a podcast she did! Have you listened to it? I freaking love you both! 😁

Thank you sooo much for releasing the latest Diana episode on election day! Caring about a dumpster fire that happened 25 years ago is so much better than being present for the one today

I would love to know Sarah’s recs for satanic panic literature! Who’s written the best/worst takes on my fav moral panic? Where do I go after Michelle Remembers??

After the comment in the new Diana — YRA Bono (and celebrity activism?). Or other lessons from Michael’s time in corporate human rights.

Has anyone you’ve discussed on the show ever listened to it and gotten in touch with you?

I had to pop in and say thank fuck someone else gets that marvelous Mrs Maisel like fine I guess??? But mostly it’s just annoying so can we all relax?

Why was Diana being a virgin so important?

Thoughts on Harry Potter? Not necessarily JK Rowling as we've disowned her but the books in general?

I am probably too late for this month but all the comments that people make about mandatory mask wearing is against their constitutional rights, I wonder,, what is the history of how wearing clothes in public became a thing? Cuz of human history has taught us one thing is that we are very resistance to new ideas.

I don’t know if you get this often but I would love to hear an episode on the Waco siege!!

Can you debunk Documentaries in general? Like, the modern iteration of Documentaries with a capital D like Tiger King and Making a Murderer. I think it's really dangerous how these days documentaries carry more gravitas than even the news- you expect the news to have some bias, but documentaries play this lofty role of claiming to be out there only to serve the truth... AND THEY RARELY FUCKING DO.

I just want to use this space to say that I think about Rain Legs a lot. The logistics mostly. Are her legs just normal human legs who are wet with rain all the time? Where does the rain come from? Or are her legs actual rain? Does she have feet then, or are then rain feet too? Why call her Rain Legs and not Rain Feet? This is my one and only Patreon so I'm probably doing it wrong but I just wanted to put it out there.

i would love to hear a you're wrong about why hospitals close! maybe not the most fun escapist content but would be a very relevant debunking imho!

i know this is very obvious and i'm sure you have it listed, but i would love to hear your guys's take on michael jackson/the michael jackson is or is not a child molester narratives!!!!

I think you guys really need to do an episode on the US army investment in paranormal activity in the 70s, all the new age science they were getting into and the first earth battalion guide or whatever it was. I thought about this when re listening to the 2000 election and Sarah said "America is definietly the funniest country"

Awesome show! I'd love to hear a full episode about ADHD, which Sarah already talked about a little. I got diagnosed as a 30-something adult woman, and my perception of the diagnosis and treatments were just...totally wrong until really late.

Michael, I'm also living in Beriln and I would love to hear more about your time there(here?)! What were your favorite places? Which parts of German bureaucracy drove you the craziest? What was the most surprising cultural difference you experienced? What do Americans get wrong about "Europeans"?

I wish there was an episode everyday . I love this podcast so much. Scott Peterson would be a great deep dive!!

Love the show! A topic that was recently debunked for me is the Scott Peterson case/trial. I know the Mike has said he doesn’t know anything about it, but I grew up CONVINCED that Scott was guilty and there was no telling me otherwise. After learning more about it as an adult, I gotta say- I think I was wrong and the media completely led me astray. Would love to hear your thoughts

First of all, obligatory gushing about how much I love YRA: I talk about this podcast ALL THE TIME, usually opening with "Did you know the crack babies are fine and the DC sniper was actually about domestic violence and the failure of family courts to take dangerous men seriously?" Now for my suggestion, specifically to Michael: I grew up in rural southern Oregon in the middle of the whole "spotted owl" debacle, and definitely grew up believing that "environmental terrorists" were spiking trees and killing loggers. As an adult, I've been told that's not true and there were never any deaths from spiked trees. Which is true?

Love the show! It would be interesting to debunk the real story of Shappelle Corby- an Australian woman who “unknowingly” smuggled drugs into Bali via her bodyboard bag. She was convicted and went to Indonesian jail for years and then was released. She wrote a memoir but popular opinion is that she’s deteriorated mentally because of her ordeal. But did she really do it or was she set up by her dad? 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'd love to hear you discuss the first lady, Melania Trump. A lot of the portrayals of her seem really sexist to me. The media/tabloids also seems to glob onto any "evidence" that she doesn't love Trump, and calling her a "trophy wife." What do you guys think about these cultural stereotypes and portrayals? Are they fair? I have a personal interest in this topic, since I'm a younger woman in love with a financially successful older man. I'm not saying I admire Mrs. Trump, I just think the ways I see her criticized are generally not useful, or are harmful. https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/368561-criticism-of-melania-trump-reveals-a-lot-about-the-metoo-movement

Suggestion to add to your already impossible list: the pledge of allegiance. Constantly seeing memes about kids not saying the pledge anymore (my public school did it every morning-as of course years ago). Would love to hear your take on the history of it and our fear that kids aren’t sufficiently patriotic anymore

I really really love your show. But right now I am kind of disappointed that you first spoke about the sexist driving to the airport ad and after that about Carole Baskin's husband's car abandoned at the airport without drawing a connection. ;)

Bonus episode idea inspired by Sarah saying that "Heterosexuality is fundamentally about other men.": Mike tells Sarah about 'The Traffic In Women' by Emma Goldman, then Sarah tells Mike about 'The Traffic In Women' by Gayle Rubin.

AMA: what's in your Google Alerts?

We always hear "this country was built on Christianity/the constitution/forefathers blah blah" and I'd be interested to hear how wrong about that everyone is.

In the Stepford Wives episode Mike made a passing reference to Silent Spring being mostly debunked and I'm like desperate to know what he meant by that! Pesticide use keeps coming up in some of my classes (student midwife) and I need to know how Wrong About it other folks are.

A) I would love a YWA episode about Carole Baskin/maybe broadly looking into the implicit racism/sexism of “tacky” as a designation, even if a lot of it was what we heard here! B) maybe this sounds like a silly idea but I was wondering whether Mike and Sarah might consider doing a “something that makes us happy” but at the end of each episode. MFM does this and they call it “fucking hooray” and it’s where they talk about something that makes them each happy that week so that they aren’t too bummed out by the content of the episode. It might be a nice counterweight to how dark some of the episode topics can be!

I know this is a different episode, but I just listened to the creepy encounters reddit episode and I have a theory about the Very Tiny Sex Trafficking Lady. When the post was talking about the woman being arrested, it sounded like the article said something about a massage place. It’s not uncommon for immigrant women who work in nail salons or massage parlors to be in a kind of indentured servitude where either their visa (if they have one) is contingent on the job, or the person who owns the business has their passport or controls them financially in some other way. Not a sex thing, just an extremely shitty labor situation, but I could see a local newspaper assuming massage = sex work and making the story more salacious than it actually was. The woman could have been arrested for a “trafficking ring” totally unrelated to her random conversation in the park.

Have you already debunked personality tests? They’re just regular annoying in social settings but infuriating when part of job interviews. Tangentially want to know your thoughts on things like love languages, compatibility tests, career aptitude tests, anything that attempts to sum up a person for the sake of easy categorization.

Hi Mike and Sarah, I have a prospective topic for you to cover that's from outside of North America. Hrithik Roshan (male) and Kangana Ranaut (female) are two well-known actors in the Indian film industry. They have been locked into a media battle for years now. The topic of debate being the thousands of emails Hrithik received from Kangana's email ID where she believes he is her lover. Some emails are sexually explicit but most contain mundane details of her days. Hrithik claims that she is mentally challenged and has been stalking him. Kangana claims that they had a full blown affair while Hrithik was married many years ago and he had fabricated the emails to cover his tracks in case it ever comes to light, calling her insane. It's a classic case of he said she said, but with really high-profile people (and an alleged imposter) involved. I would love to hear your take on how this situation unraveled. Currently, they both stand their ground, after having given long interviews on national TV defending their case. Kangana is fearless in her conduct, which is very uncommon for female actors in India. Hrithik is a huge superstar, now divorced from his wife.

The Alex Radita case

I love hearing all the things Sarah is reading and watching (e.g. Dracula and the Saw movies), and wondering if it’s part of her book research. Would love to know more about how her book is going and what her process is, and really what the research process is for the show. I know you’ve touched on it some in the past, but I’m a research nerd.

While listening to this week's episode about r/creepyencounters, I became a patron because I have to tell Mike and Sarah about my encounter. I don't know how Patreon works, so I'm just commenting here and hoping that someone will read it... And I've already messed up by pressing enter and posted an unfinished message. Anyway, I used to have a job where we had to talk to people in the mall and get them to donate to a charity (the job is a scam in itself, but that's another story). One guy used to pass by frequently, and I think he donated once, but it seemed like he just wanted to talk to us and make friends with the bunch of young girls who are broke enough to do this weird job. Eventually he started mentioning that he "manages some girls," and we should meet up with him at some place at midnight if we were interested in making a lot of money. He framed it as a fun thing that pretty girls can do to make money, kind of like modeling, but he didn't really explain what it was. I took his information so that he would go away. I only did that job for a few months, but he would always come by and ask why I hadn't reached out to him yet. For some reason I didn't want to tell him that it sounded like he was trying to recruit me to be a sex worker and I didn't want to be one. I just said I've been really busy...

First of all I have loved seeing how your Patreon subscribers have increased since the Syme article, you two deserve every penny! Second, are you fans at all of Last Week Tonight? It took a while but I do think there’s some similar source code, though y’all obviously are able take some more time to expand on details and allow for ambiguity. Third, I have a truly burning desire for You’re Wrong About Laura Ingalls Wilder, please.

Have you seen the Paris Hilton doc on youtube? Thoughts?

The absolute most boring question: how is Patreon income dealt with, tax-wise? 😂😫

I have a follow-up to the lead episode: TEFLON!

I would love to hear about The Satanic Panic latching onto Dungeons and Dragons game. I remember growing up people who played DND being framed as “other” in the same way that cultists were, and maybe I’m wrong about that! But I do remember DND being framed as this awful, satanic game that you had to be wary of (kind of like how people get uncomfortable talking about ouija/talking boards.)

Would love to hear y'all discuss Cardi B

Thank you so much Sarah for describing your feelings about "crazes" so well! I'm not being a dick for not wanting to watch [THING], it's just everyone is being very shouty about it and shouting makes me very tense and stressed and sad. <3

I'd love to hear about what you (Michael) have against Hillbilly Elegy. I read it when I was in high school and didn't understand it to be problematic back then, would be interested in seeing what I overlooked or didn't understand

Have you ever realized you've been wrong about something you said in a previous episode? Like, You're Wrong About You're Wrong About?

AMA: (mostly for Sarah) do you think MFAs are a pyramid scheme? and what’s your thoughts on academia in general. (i have an MFA too, albeit in visual art, and i have Many Thoughts on this).

Diet Rite! It's still around. The box cans come in reminds me of toothpaste.

I crave an entire episode of you guys, Dana Schwartz, and Rachel Hawkins (the author of this Twitter thread) just talking about this thread on the Beast of Gevaudan for at least an hour: https://twitter.com/LadyHawkins/status/917733013982711808. But I would settle for a few minutes of you guys discussing the amazing drawings of the beast found here. I think you will appreciate them based on how much you liked Michelle's cute Satan drawings.

AMA: What do you think is the most egregious/damaging movie or tv show based on real events (that got the most wrong, or got things wrong in a very bad way$

AMA (or full episode) topic: Andrea Dworkin and the porn wars.

I'm way behind, but I've also met Carol Baskin at The Big Cat Rescue. If you've ever visited, volunteered at, or worked for an animal rescue you've met her type. Quirky? Yes. But isn't that part of the charm? Also yes.

Thanks so much for this wonderful podcast. I’d love to learn more about Wallis Simpson. As a divorced, American that got in the way of the royal family, was she actually a Nazi sympathizer? Or another maligned woman of history?

Sarah: I'm a psychotherapist and just wanted to comment on how much I appreciate your perspective on the use of stigmatizing labels such as sociopath/psychopath/narcissist. I have felt really disturbed by the ways I've seen these already dubious labels being increasingly weaponised by laypeople for all kinds of purposes, from pathologizing normal conflict to discrediting a person in their entirety based on certain perceived traits or behaviours. I'm also ironically struck by how unempathetic this practice of labelling often appears. I wonder if you've ever thought about becoming a therapist? I've very often been struck by how good I think you'd be at it, based on your ability to empathise with, contextualise and reframe uncomfortable material, almost universally without judgment. I just realised I'm being that "more of a comment than a question" guy, and that is embarrassing in the extreme.

A question for Michael: in your Princess Diana, have you dug into the issues with the tabloids doing phone tapping to illegally record celebrity calls? Would love to hear your take on this. Feels like an aspect of media culture that’s been forgotten in a world where famous people share so much directly on social media now.

Thank you, so much ,for your assessment of Tiger King, from the perspective of disinterested media professionals. I started supporting Big Cat Rescue, years ago, when a female Florida cartoonist I followed decided to start an annual 48-hour online video gaming marathon, to raise funds, in memory of a beloved house cat. So I thought I had a responsibility to watch Tiger King. I thought it was a mess, but mostly I felt sorry for actual tigers, who really needed sane, fart-thinking, unselfish people to secure habitat for them, about 200 years ago. Now I can tell my fellow Gen Whitmore fans that for $1/month, they can hear your take on Tiger King, and if they have any doubts, feel great about Carol Baskin, again.

Hi Sarah and Michael! I’ve been listening since your disco episode got recommended to me on Twitter a few months ago and I’ve listened to nearly your entire back catalogue at this point, save a few that seem maybe too painful to reasonably listen to right now. I signed up for your patreon last night and am in the middle of listening to your ama from a few months ago and just got to the Newsies and fanfiction bit. Can I suggest a Newsies commentary track for a patreon episode? I’ve never seen Newsies but I’ve been in and out of fanfic communities since I was 14 or so and it’s been something I’ve come back to off and on throughout my life. It’s always nice to hear it spoken about from a place of understanding and affection (or frustration) from people you encounter outside of those spaces. That community was a lifeline for me as a queer teenager living in a rural, conservative town in the early 2000’s. Anyways, love the show! Hope you both are doing well.

How about an episode on rehab facilities? We tend to think they're really great, but I'm pretty sure people can and do run them however the heck they want to, and they're big money-makers. Also, Woody Allen.

Arghhh, your Tiger King convo was so cathartic! During the Tiger King phase of the pandemic, watching 75% of the Internet fall for the obvious false equivalency being constructed between Joe Exotic and Carole Baskin was freakin' wild.

Re: Tiger King; yes they did misrepresent Baskin. But there is also nothing likable about Joe Exotic. We do get to see him in a more 3D way but he is still an abusive person and treats everyone terribly and manipulates them through scarcity and drugs. The takeaway some had that Exotic is the better person is fucked up.

I think an episode on GMOs would be really interesting!

A thing that journalists don’t talk about much are the stories that they choose not to write about because it’s so close to the bone and too difficult to be objective. Are there stories that you didn’t write because it was a topic that was too difficult to remain unbiased?

Sarah! They just reissued Diana's sweater!!!! https://tomandlorenzo.com/2020/10/rowing-blazers-recreates-princess-dianas-iconic-sweaters/

Sarah, I was just listening to "Why Are Dads?" and heard you mention that you went to Bennington. What was your Plan? And as a fellow Bennington alum, I am contractually obligated to ask: What House!?

Oh! I just remembered a question I had for Sarah about Nicole Brown's murder. Somewhere, I can't remember where, I heard someone suggesting that her murderer could have been OJs oldest son. The narrative they presented was....not, on the face of it, definitely wrong, but it may have been made more attractive by the idea that it was something other people didn't know. Did you run into that during your OJ research, and why is it wrong?

I don’t have a question , I just wanted to say that I also think the saw movies are a lot of fun.

Listening to the 2nd ep about Princess Di and having so much anxiety for her. Who the heck can live in a house where you can't even sit in some places because someone else sat there last??? And that's just the beginning of why the Royal Family stresses me so much.

are you guys considering doing Mariah’s new memoir for book club :)

This is not really important but I was wondering if either of you are familiar with the comedian John Mulaney and his interest in Princess Diana? 🤔😜

I agree that British Gardening TV is peak entertainment. Monty Don's soothing voice might be the only thing holding me together right now.

I would love to see you guys research the Aileen Wuornos case !

Any thoughts on a book club deep dive of the Mariah Carey book similar to the Jessica Simpson ones? Way more to her than people to think!

So I’m a relatively new listener, and listened to the “Yoko Ono Broke up the Beatles” episode today. I have a question stemming from the criticism John and Yoko got for their “Bed-In” protest against the Vietnam war. What jumped into my mind was the student protests, particularly in the US and France, of ‘68/‘69, and how those protests ended in particular. Do you think you could do an episode on student protest? I did history for my undergrad and when we learned about the student protests of ‘68 young people in their early 20s in that class would scoff and say those students were too idealistic or not living in the real world. But I saw a real parallel with those protests in the BLM movement over these last months, and even in the “Arab Spring” movement in 2011. Do you think you could do an episode, or maybe even just discuss in an bonus room, your thoughts on student protest? The effectiveness of it, how it is perceived by wider media, etc? I would LOVE to hear your thoughts on the current “free speech” issues surrounding universities, but I know you prefer to look at things that happened earlier than that, to get a good, rounded look at it, so I thought the student protests of 68 would be good!

I have a question for Sara and Mike: Which topics in this miserable year of our lord 2020, do you think will become "You're Wrong About" material 20 years from now? The Portland Protests?

AMA question: I've noticed Sarah mentions Disney animatronics a few times and I'm wondering what her relationship with the Disney Parks is. Has she been there, does like them, does she have a favorite animatronic?

From today’s episode “I’m endlessly fascinated by clothes and the way people learn how to wear them to get power” - I would *love* to hear more on this

Olive oil ice cream reminded me of this https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g186338-d2346393-i354282513-Chin_Chin_Labs-London_England.html my favourite Sundae at the best ice place in London.

Thanks for wishing the Southern Hemisphere fans a Happy Pumpkin Spice Spring. 🥰

Your discussion of Carol Baskin's clothing and the way it was presented reminded me of a point that Natalie Wynn (ContraPoints on YouTube) made in her video on Opulence. She pointed out the inherently racist, classist and misogynistic nature of the judgments "tacky" and "kitsch" when thrown at aesthetic elements like animal print, loud colours, clashing prints, long nails etc. It had never occurred to me before that my dislike of things like animal print could be more than purely aesthetic, and it really caused me to rethink my opinions and judgments. I'd love an episode talking about something like "high class" vs "low class" aesthetics. And thank you for all you do. Your episodes help keep me sane.

Do y’all have any plans or requests to do You’re Wrong About St. Patrick’s Day? I’d adore that

One thing Michael forgot about the whole Tiger King thing with Carole Baskin is that her husband did attempt to get a restraining order against her not that long before his disappearance and in those documents stated that she had threatened to kill him. The ‘documentary’ (it isn’t, it’s exploitative trash) absolutely frames her terribly, but the fact that there was alleged domestic violence and threats against is something to be noted. Also there have been more developments in the case, such as the ex-wife of Baskin’s longtime handyman recently going on record that her ex husband was involved in the disappearance of Baskin’s husband, at the behest of Carole (here is an article detailing this account: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/tiger-king-carole-baskin-husband-killed-joe-exotic-don-lewis-b419743.html ). All of this is obviously circumstantial and the show is extremely irresponsible in how it portrays this event (and also a ton of other material, such as Joe Exotic’s predatory relationships with young men and Doc Antle’s labor trafficking and abuse of young women), but there is more to it than just Baskin ‘acting weird’.

Okay, this is going to be very specific, but I'm reading about it now. (My boss challenged me to complete 12 months of our library's reading challenges with books by or about professional wrestlers. October's challenge is horror/thriller/true crime.) I'm reading about the Chris Benoit murder/suicide from 2007. It's fucking awful on so many levels, but one of the worst things (to me, anyway) is that Nancy Benoit's life was erased from entertainment history along with her husband's. She had a successful and influential wrestling career of her own before she ever even met Chris, and it's all gone. So, I'm reading about the tragedy mostly to learn more about her and think of her in terms of her life and not her murder or her husband.

I have this problem where I fucking love horror movies while I am watching them, but then I can't sleep for 6 months. It's really annoying.

Long time listener, first time caller here. I just wanted to pop in with my idea for a minisode or bonus room...the legacy of Megan Fox? The media is trying to destroy her again for being with MGK so she’s topical once more!!

Literally became a patron for the catharsis of hearing Michael describe what was so weird and unethical about how Tiger King talked about Carole Baskin

You’ve mentioned codependency and having a mean dad. How have you changed/grown/recovered or not from those experiences?

I would love to hear your guys' opinions about the new Paris Hilton documentary!

Omg, I thought I was the only one in love with Anthony Perkins but in my 30s!

First, and I know this will probably be weird, but... I LOVE YOU BOTH SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😭😭😭😭😭 Okay, now that that's done, some things I'm thinking that most people are wrong about lately: 1) sleep patterns and sleep health. I don't buy for a second that being a "morning person" means you're more productive or whatever else HBR articles think we should believe. I figure, if you're tired, sleep! Sure, too much sleep isn't great, and you should know yourself well enough to know when something is wrong. But my body just WANTS to be awake until 3am and then sleep until 10am. 2) Single people and our general wellbeing. Yeah, sure, isolating with only a cat since March has been lonely, but my coworkers acting like it's a valid concern that they have the right to SAY TO MY ZOOM FACE seems like a stretch. Like, my biggest challenge aside from, oh, the entire world being set up for TWO people with TWO incomes, is that grocery stores should sell half loaves of bread. 😐

In high school I had a birthday countdown for Tim Curry on my locker and brought a cake. Every year. Guess how popular I was? 🤣

A topic that I would love to see get Sarah'ed is those studies/"facts" about infant survival that we've all heard snippets of - like how a newborn infant will crawl up a dead/unconscious mom to nurse, or how they're strong enough to hold themselves up with one hand if they get dangled... I would love to know more about how those experiments got greenlit, whose babies were used, and what the undoubtedly awful behind the scenes Man Behaviour was involved.

Dear Sarah and Mike: I would love nothing more than to see you take on the DEATH / DISAPPEARANCE / REBIRTH / SUBSEQUENT ADOLESCENCE of Mr. Peanut. That’s right, the Planters Peanut mascot. I have been tracking this story since February 2019 and let me tell you, this bizarre little rabbit hole is RICH. I really want to tell you more about this - would you drop me a line maybe and we could talk about it? I think it would be perfect fodder for some You’re Wrong About realness. My email address is shirleymirley@gmail.com and my phone # is 617. 942.0457

Syphilis is very similar to Lyme disease. They are both spirochetes that have dormant forms and are hard to treat. They don’t have other infections that are as similar to them as they are to each other (as in, it’s not a big class of similar illnesses). They both infect joints and central nervous system. They both have debilitating late-stage symptoms (mental and physical). For some reason, the medical profession treats syphilis as a “real” disease and late-stage Lyme as a something that can be cured with 10 days of antibiotics, or else you’re faking it and just need some psych meds.

I'd love to hear your take on whether "I want to go back to normal" is fundamentally the same as "MAGA" in that it disregards those for whom the last "normal" /pre-covid status quo was horribly unjust and harmful.

This is so specific, but the Laurel/Yanny soundbyte debate! I’m so curious about the science behind it!!

I would love to hear about what You're Wrong About was wrong about! Things you messed up (go sportsball!) or found out about after the episode aired that you wish you could add in now.

The talk about reading memoirs is so relevant to me because I’ve been on a kick lately. I just listened to Rielle Hunter’s book “What Really Happened” all about her affair with John Edwards. (Everyone gave it bad reviews, but I thought it was an ok book, my feelings about her actions aside.) And I’m now listening to “The Politician” by Andrew Young, an Edwards staffer who Hunter kept saying was the one soliciting and keeping most of the money that turned out to be a problem for Edwards. Do you have any thoughts on that scandal? I was a young teen at the time, so I can’t say I paid much attention.

Big Dreams, Small Spaces is one of the greatest shows of all time. Give us more Monty Don!

Your timing of the Diana series - I just saw the new press shots released for The Crown Season 4 coming out in November. https://tomandlorenzo.com/2020/09/the-crown-season-4-first-images-with-the-full-di-and-maggie/#.X3debGhKjSI Also: can you please do the "unofficial" (official) Meghan & Harry book "Finding Freedom" for book club PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE?

As someone who was tremendously impacted by fanfiction and the related subculture as a young teen (and onwards), I love it whenever Sarah mentions her Newsies fanfiction days. I think it would be really interesting to take a look at 'fandom'- maybe not fanfiction specifically, although it is a much-maligned concept. Sarah has touched on this a few times with her comments on 'anything teen girls like is silly' but I think it's worth a deeper dive. In particular, just the litigation related to fanfiction runs the gamut from Cassandra Claire to Anne Rice. One of the most popular book series(if not the best quality) in the past 15 years was originally fanfic, 50 Shades ( a former Twilight fanfic!). In the wider fandom space, you have hilarity like old-school Tumblr (mentioned fondly in this episode), furries as the financial support system of artists, and the deeply amazing My Immortal story. You could even tie in the idea of the Mary Sue character and how that has evolved over time.

Is there a way to unpack all that is Hillary Clinton? Would it be a decade at a time approach or an administration at a time approach?

I haven't watched Tiger King but has always been fascinated by it so thanks for this!! If you ever need ideas for future episodes it would be cool to see one on Waco :)

Amazing! Re the feminism sources: I am an atheist white woman. I follow several Muslim American women on Instagram because I like seeing women living their life by a different creed as a reminder it's all! About! Freedom of choice! 💕 My questions for your next bonus ep... what are the features you would each want in your dream home/residence? What person living or dead would you most love the chance to interview?

so....re:meat grinder..... you gonna just sit here and tell me sweeny todd was a LIE?!

Also! For you next AMA: what are your favourite podcasts / podcasting people? I would love to hear what podcasts Sarah thinks are good and don’t have shitty true crime stereotypes. (I was listening to a podcast the other day and they said ‘he had a criminal record for stealing and for pushing someone at a party, so clearly he wasn’t fit to be in any kind of relationship’ ....what the fuck lmao)

I would love a whole episode on carol baskin but perhaps it’s still too early.

Others I would love to see: - charter schools/school choice - Manson Family -- I bet you're already planning a 28-part series - Anthony Weiner - Chappaquiddick - Mia Farrow - Venezuelan socialism - Whitey Bulger - IQ - Nut allergies

I would love an episode about criminal profiling! I read that actually all this cool Silence of the Lambs/Mindhunter stuff doesn't actually work and I think given Sarah's work on Ted Bundy it would be really cool

Listening to y’all makes me feel like I’m chilling with my cool older siblings who like tell me secrets that my parents don’t want me to know and let me use their desktop computer to read Newsies fanfiction. Thank you for all of your content!

I would love a quarantine book club on the Mariah Carey book - I cried listening to the Jessica Simpson episodes and I want to feel that way about all my childhood pop stars.

Thanks for saving this southern hemispherical human from buying a PS cold brew! 😆😘

Just started watching Dirty John: Betty Broderick, and got me thinking I would love your perspective on Betty Broderick.

Patti Boyd. When a Beatle writes the song something about you, and Eric Clapton steals you away from that Beatle. Let’s have some fun, women can have some power too.

Just wanted to chime in that the Joe Exotic podcast from Wondery felt much more balanced, and fair to Carol. It also went into the reprehensible conditions at his "zoo" in greater depth.

I feel like you need to add the You’re Wrong about Carol Baskins in the main feed because not enough people know this!! That documentary was so unethically produced. They also deliberately interview some of the park employees in front of piles of garbage and asked one of joes husbands to take his teeth out and to remove his shirt. He has a beautiful smile in his Facebook! I just wish more people knew how much they deliberately left out/added to create their own narrative. Thanks for all you guys do!

Just had to pause to lose my mind about something-- people find it suspicious that there's an "in case I mysteriously disappear" clause in the will of Carole's husband, a private pilot who owned his own planes???? Even if this wasn't what ultimately happened to him, surely one can imagine that a person who (according to Wikipedia, at time of commenting) enjoyed flying alone would be aware of the possibility of his plane going down in the middle of nowhere? Anyway, love the podcast, love these bonus rooms, thank you both for all the amazing work you do!

I think Tiger King is a pretty good subject for this podcast. It feels like a story from the 90s due to the subjective eternity of 2020. There's also a lot of the story that the documentary series got wrong and that could benefit from an empathetic gaze. Anyway, this was fun and I hope Sarah finds someone to marathon Saw movies with. (Her Saw-mate?)

So happy to find out I wasn't wrong about the Tiger King/Carole Baskin narrative!

I was recently watching season one of the original Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack (which I was too scared to watch as a kid!) and there are, like, a LOT of Satanic Panic-inflected episodes and I kept thinking, man I would really like to hear Sarah and Mike do a "Michelle Remembers" style take on these and also maybe trace what happened with each of these cases/where these people are now. Thank you for all of the awesome research/writing/editing stellar one-liners work y'all do. This is my favorite podcast. As soon as I'm teaching again I'm totally going to use your podcast to teach critical and creative research/writing. Signed, a poet and academic-person

My 10th Grade English teacher had a term for what Michael describes regarding The Usual Suspects. He called it Star Wars Syndrome, because as a teen he was relatively late to see SW in the theaters, by the time he got there it had been so hyped up to him as "the greatest thing in moviemaking ever it will change your life, oh my god!" and when it was just good and fun, he found himself underwhelmed.

I’m trying to find the article, but someone asked photographers to photo people but told them different stories about the person, CEO vs drug addict and saw how they framed and lit the subject differently to tell completely different stories of the same man, on the same day, in the same set, wearing the same clothes. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/twistedsifter.com/2015/11/a-portrait-session-with-a-twist/amp/ Found it! Turns out it was Canon Australia who put it on.

What I find frustrating about the Carol Baskin Discourse is that there are credible criticisms of animal sanctuaries (and Big Cat Sanctuary in particular) that are worth exploring, but that conversation cannot be had now that the documentary and its fans has done her so, so dirty. One of the many ways you can tell that the doc directors didn't care about the actual animals (along with everything else) is that they did not talk to any zoologists or experts who understand big animal care. That said, I've tried to write this story and real experts are pretty tight-lipped about sanctuaries because of...politics, to put it simply.

Have you read “90s Bitch” by Allison Yarrow. You would love it. I read it before I started this podcast and am now reading it again.

Carol has been relegated to the 'crazy cat lady' category. Weirdness and cat love is always suspect for a woman. I've been supprting bcr for years and years. This has hurt her fundraising to be able to support the cats. Crappy situation

What is your feminist take on Ivanka Trump?

Re: Tiger King. Carol Baskin's husband had connections to a Costa Rican drug cartel. The actual police investigating his disappearance suspect that his regular trips to Costa Rica in his small private plane were connected to smuggling and that his cartel connections are the most likely reason for his disappearance. He had been moving large quantities of money around in the months before his death and his empty vehicle was found *on the runway* at a small private airport with the keys in it and the doors open. A bunch of cash he had withdrawn was missing from it. I also think it's really conceivable that someone who has connections to a drug cartel might add an "if I go missing" clause to their will ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Thanks for giving Carol the You're Wrong About treatment, even on a miniature level.

You have shared before about how you met online. Also you live in different cities. How many times have you two been physically in the same space?

Honestly the car commercials should just film in PA. We have the dark winding roads, pot holes large enough to swallow a deer, and deer intent on causing problems.

I'm going to make you very uncomfortable by asking you about what you think about all of the praise you've received for the podcast. Out of everyone who has raved about You're Wrong About, who has made you blush with joy? Or surprised you?

Ummm...gourd flavored canned pork. Just what the Holidays need.

I was waiting for the post to share a thought. I watched the Paris Hilton documentary and for its full duration I thought: ‘I’d die to hear Sarah and Mike debate over it’... please!