April 17, 2026

I’m Horseish On Humanity feat. Quinn Slobodian and Ben Tarnoff

Riley, Hussein, and November speak with friends of the show Quinn Slobodian and Ben Tarnoff about their new book, Muskism: A Guide for the Perplexed. We discuss the political ethos of Musk and his peers, and the origins of his "everything is computer" philosophy. However, we also had to take a detour into the story of the "AI-built startup that's worth a billion dollars," because... well, it's just a thing that lies a bunch. Again.

You can buy Quinn and Ben's book here!

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Maggie+Al · August 11, 2026

your own personal shrimp Jesus!?

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Brian Mullan · April 30, 2026

Moving to Florida to fat-shame horses to create a new market for equestrian Ozempic

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lashe · April 24, 2026

"robotech" sir you mean Macross

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liz future · April 23, 2026

I’m not even neccessarily saying any of the stuff around the 43 minute mark is wrong, all I’m saying is you *can not* tell me that boy isn’t literally saying the ”that guy sure did built some good highways though” bit. lmao

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Toli · April 21, 2026

when I heard the name "Path of Exile 2" spoken aloud it completely knocked me out of whatever mental orbit I was in. I had totally forgotten that Musk had a brief bit where he pretended to be good at a game I have thousands of hours in, and immediately had a "keep politics out of my games!" moment except instead of pronouns (which are good) I just want to keep schmucks like Elon out

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Cate Kneale · April 21, 2026

My new startup will just sell you a prescription pad. Go crazy with that shit!

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Cate Kneale · April 21, 2026

I only recently watched Sorry to Bother You but I was not expecting ALL of it to become relevant so soon.

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brickett6 · April 21, 2026

Important to note that the early government money for SpaceX actually came out of NASA as the shuttle program wound down and they needed a replacement for sending cargo and crew to the ISS, the DoD and USAF stepped in a few years later

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Jeffrey Garcia · April 19, 2026

Minnesota mentioned

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Jack Georgeou · April 19, 2026

The answer to Muskism, Mangionism?

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Jermy · April 19, 2026

There’s something fundamentally 20th century Liberalism about the idea that everything is computer, about the idea that normal people are NPCs or reactive animals or whatever. I see a through-line in the mid century obsession with behaviorism, studies on brainwashing, nudge theory, Kahneman’s Exxon-funded attacks on the rationality of juries, these seminal stories that inform the American liberal intellectual worldview (all of which turn out to either have been strongly shaped by the researchers, be outright fabrications, or lie about fundamental aspects of the story; I’m thinking of the Milgram experiments, Stanford Prison Experiment, When Prophecy Fails, and the Kitty Genovese case)

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Vanessa P · April 19, 2026

YEP YEP YEP YEP YEP. It's always "We in the west are the good guys because we have democracy and human rights" until someone points out these ideals are applied inconsistently at which point the story becomes "uhhh well studies show that the average citizen is actually closer intellectually to a cow and must be ruled over with an iron fist"

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Jermy · April 19, 2026

In the US, public urination would land you on the sex offender registry

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Leo Fie · April 19, 2026

I never thought I would someday buy a book before it gets talked about on the podcast, but there it is, on my nightstand. The cover is hideous.

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abby · April 18, 2026

The point of DOGE was not deficit reduction or spending cuts, the point of DOGE was data consolidation across government agencies and in that it was much, much more successful. Which is pretty funny, Musk took all the public flak and Karp is gonna get all the actual contracts to run the new surveillance state

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Joey · April 18, 2026

let your lobsters be your doctors at your startup of success

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George Toner · April 18, 2026

Only if you're alpha enough, Joey. Let's not consider the later findings of that wolf biologist I'm kind of disappointed they don't have a legitimate metaphor and that engenders (ha) mixed feelings in me. Like, if they had one... a singular one, I would kind of have to be like okay you got me, that ones kinda good. The dojo of ideas has no worthy opponents other than fellow leftists', no wonder it is forever full of the sound of kung-fu fighting

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Do Golems Dream of Ceramic Sheep · April 18, 2026

Mark Andreessen saying he never introspects has me thinking that this is how we get the implied state of Earth at the end of Blindsight, where humans without consciousness drive those with one to extinction.

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Anon22 · April 18, 2026

ULA and the Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicle Program needs to be looked more into; a total shitshow and why I'm not a fan of either the Space Shuttle (which is it's own thing, and holy hell was that a bad program; 2 total crew losses while never achieving it's stated aims).. Anyway ULA was created because the EELV was supposed to be a competition but there was so much backstabbing and skullduggery going on that it ended up not being much of a competition at all.. At the same time (1994) the US was still using 60's vintage Titan and Atlas (II-III) rockets (the Titan's were Hypergolic fueled for some ungodly reason despite the engines being descended from Kerolox engines). Cost Plus contracting and the manner in which (especially NASA programs) specs are written into law rather than something more flexible "just get this shit to [specific orbit] with [max G force allowed]" created an environment ripe for a company like SpaceX and to a lesser extent Blue Origin and the others in "newSpace" Kerolox = Kerosene and Liquid Oxygen; it's still "bad" in both emissions and probably has some carcinogenic properties if you're doing fueling work, but compared to the hypergolics it's quite a bit more tame, with the liquid oxygen being the most dangerous stuff..

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Wawawawa · April 18, 2026

The shuttle did also function as a platform for bringing a fairly massive amount of cargo + crew into orbit, stay there for a while, and then come back in the same package though, something that wasn't possible before or since, because it's really difficult. I've been watching a series that explains why the shuttle program was actually useful for space research by going through all the individual missions, it's quite good. Better than the state of spaceflight today for sure.

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some guy · April 18, 2026

"crony capitalism" 😭

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lala · April 18, 2026

there must be some semblance of beauty and order in this world because yeah, hussein should be the david byrne of podcasting. best of luck with the whimsical storybook-mouse type problems

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Do Golems Dream of Ceramic Sheep · April 19, 2026

Hussein may ask himself "Well, how did l get here?" more than anyone else on the planet

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Andrew Buchner · April 18, 2026

25:30 are we claiming a prescription glp-1 "doesn't work"? The company is obviously a scam, but come on now. Edit, they do mention that they are pill-form semaglutides, with currently unproven effectiveness *for weight loss* However, there are already FDA approved glp-1 agonist pills like Rybelsus for diabetes.

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lala · April 18, 2026

Medvi's website lists brand name Wegovy pills (semaglutide 1.5mg, does work) but also what is stated to be "compounded" oral-dissolving "GLP-1 tablets" with no listed dosage strengths or ingredients. I am desperately trying to find more information about what generic drug is being used in these but there's nothing. Could it just be the wegovy tablets crushed and re-pressed with an oral-disintegrating component(why...?) to re-sell at 3x the value? Surely, but compounding pharmacies are usually transparent. My pharmacy does hazardous compounding for specialty drugs, so maybe my standards are just high, but telehealth prescribers are known to overlook crucial details when it comes to checking for medication interactions and DURs, and also notoriously impossible to get ahold of when their patients have adverse reactions (they always come to the hospital provider first, which is why we need to know what's in that fucking compound)

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James Rule · April 18, 2026

You know, I can ignore my family and make up people in my head for way less money and be more environmentally sustainable by not using AI.

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Martin Clarkson · April 18, 2026

I'm a horse doctor, timeless, through and through

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Jake Boyd · April 19, 2026

At least one of us caught it. Well done

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RipleyInSpace · April 18, 2026

As to the final discussion on Fordism: dare I say it embodies the Hegelian Dialectic? I hate to be that dickhead, but it's almost beat for beat

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Ryan E · April 18, 2026

They're automated Dr Spaceman from 30 Rock

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Fatticus Inch · April 18, 2026

When the HRT is Horse Replacement Therapy

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Ryan E · April 18, 2026

Fake Casio is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard

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Paul Natsuo Kishimoto · April 18, 2026

Horse GLP1s, of course, because horse too thicc

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John · April 18, 2026

He still manages to take credit for all the ideas and successes of the thousands and thousands of people who work at the companies he started or bought. Kim Jong Un would be proud.

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John · April 18, 2026

Please please don't give him any credit for electric cars, so many others have done so much, especially manufacturing capacity in China.

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Nicholas Jarvis · April 18, 2026

They called their prescription company OpenLoop? As in a loop with a hole in it? They literally called it LoopHole!?

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Vanessa P · April 18, 2026

i mean no you don't have to hand it to musk he's not the one building the satellites is he it's the engineers many of whom probably are also wankers but they at least know and do things

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George Toner · April 18, 2026

You do have to hand it to the plant workers, technicians, engineers and the giants whose shoulders they stood upon to do so. The private sector is good at fine-tuning an almost-solved problem (cost-effective satellites) but Soviet-American dick-waving government investment will forever be the basis of the industry

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Vanessa P · April 18, 2026

my ai horse doctor proscribed me ketamine and radium pills from the 1950s. this will probably be fine

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Vanessa P · April 18, 2026

re: hussein being sold watches from a trenchcoat. I guess I never thought about how if you live in a huge population centre like London you probably encounter a lot more Tropes and Themes from the wonderful world of the televisual arts because the writers often live in those areas... people in megacities are probably constantly encountering a dozen people crammed into a tiny clown car, people being bonked by rubber hammers and having stars rotate above their heads, tongues rolling out of mouths at hot people etc etc

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David Power · April 18, 2026

It wasn't until I moved to London that i had someone approach me in a pub to try and sell me stolen meat.

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Vast and Trunkless · April 18, 2026

An entire gospel choir going to medical school together and merging together into one person isn’t really that unusual if you’re Tiffany Henyard. The FDA saying, “Neigh” to Medvii and horse Mounjaro.

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Shiv · April 17, 2026

I can’t just move past Sleeve Mick-Dykel (how I presume that’s spelled)

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SixArmedSweater · April 18, 2026

Look up “Dwight Rortugal” and you’ll find the old NES (SNES?) game that comes from.

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Andrew Davis · April 17, 2026

Calling it Robotech.... SMH.

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Jessie Cherbak · April 17, 2026

25:09 “give me the weird 70’s drugs—“ BRING BACK THE QUAALUDES!!!

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Sparky · April 17, 2026

I'm reminded of Frankie Boyle's story: "The most Scottish thing I've seen was in Bathgate, where a drunk man was leaning against someone's front door to piss, then took out their keys to go inside"