WHO CAN BE SAVED?
What does the Bible say? We examine and discuss verses primarily in Ephesians and Romans. This invariably touches on the topic of free will.
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https://youtu.be/_kpZGqFHoMU Further to this conversation, check out this little video I made four years ago.
Hi Roy, I think Finney was more interested in making a name for himself through quantifying how many people "he got saved." In his letters (if my memory serves me) he often mentioned various meetings, sometimes claiming 100s got saved. I fail to see how he could know who got saved. Was he claiming his method was fail-proof? Definitely he lacked humility. His method was and is nothing more or less than a very standard step by step sales method, each step requiring a little more commitment than the previous step, all geared to get a person to walk down the aisle and finish up with "repeat after me." I find the whole thing highly manipulative and disgusting!!!!
Hi Roy, The most important issue: how can we be saved? Some have tried to codify a salvation methodology: Charles Finney with his carefully contrived altar call method, culminating with the "repeat after me" formula; and subsequent evangelists basically taking their lead from Finney - none of which I might add has any support in scripture. It's little more than a way to carve notches in their salvation pistols. Whatever happened to a sincere personal plea to God? Nothing contrived. Pastors and evangelists often miss the point. God looks at your heart; if you lack eloquence or the "right words," it doesn't matter. God does the saving.
"And she said, Trueth Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crummes which fall from their masters table." Matthew 15:27. Maybe if Finney and the others had the humility of this woman . . they might gain the proper understanding.
THE most important subject. How can we be saved? Thank you for the lesson. We need to hear it as much as possible.
Hi Calvin, If one seriously and persistently studies church history, it seems they are invariably led to the 1611 AKJB. Still, understanding its significance is no small task, as it appears few use it; and, worst of all the seminaries and seminary-trained pastors (that's pretty much all of them) know nothing about it. They only repeat things they've heard. Eventually, if one is truly dedicated to finding the truth, the haze begins to clear, and the adage "all roads lead to Rome," takes on a simple and true meaning. Namely, Rome is the final kingdom prophesied in the Bible, and everything on earth is manipulated by it. When we finally understand there is only one faith, one baptism and one word of God, everything becomes clear. The mess the scholars have created in the name of intellectualism falls away like mist.
Thank you, as you know, being led to The 1611 AKJB seems to be an amazing display of The Lord’s Grace to those who discover It and pursue It’s Truth, and trying to explain it with any amount of Scriptural and Historical evidence to a heavily indoctrinated institutionalized person is like banging your head against a brick wall sometimes. They cherish and protect their traditions and their emotions linked to those traditions. It’s almost like the “c” in 501c3 stands for Caesar, because that’s who they appear to be rendering to.
I may be reading too deeply into this or I'm too slow to completely understand this at this time, maybe someone can help me understand, according to The Word, of course. Following my body being broken in 2017, I developed a desire to seek wisdom and sought to see what the Bible said regarding wisdom, having never really studied any scripture before then. In 2018, I bought a new NLT and jumped right into Ecclesiastes, and it wasn't long after that, I became drawn to Church History and the KJV and eventually The Truth of The AV1611. I've encountered the subject of synergism vs. monergism and discovered some Historical Jesuit involvement regarding "cooperative salvation" views (Swarms of Locusts by Michael Bunker for example), appearing to be rooted in Romanism. Personally, I can't imagine another reality which doesn't involve me being DRAWN by The Holy Spirit of God in discovering so many Truths pertaining To His Word and The History surrounding It, not of my own works, but by BEING LED by HIS VOICE, HIS WORK, HIS BLOOD and being indwelt with the relentless conviction to follow after His Bruised Heel. I believe it was His Merciful Spirit which allowed me to discover this fellowship. I feel that I have been pulled into this direction in my life, none of which was completely my own doing, am I wrong for believing that? Any insight regarding anything that I've mentioned would be greatly appreciated.
Here's what I wrote in my book on Ephesians. OBSERVATIONS AND EFFECTS Does Calvinism give the believer peace of mind regarding the security of their eternal destiny? I don’t think so. Is it that much different in effect than Arminianism? Typically, the Calvinist is left wondering if they are one of those predestined to heaven. Uncertainty remains. And, at times, they question whether or not they are under “strong delusion,” yet still wanting to believe they are guaranteed heaven. Moreover, when lapsing into sin, they doubt their salvation, reasoning that they couldn’t be saved or conformed to the image of God’s son, when their works prove differently. Thus, Calvinistic predestination drives the believer back into a form of works-based salvation and eternal security measured by works, despite professions to the contrary. Thus, the Calvinistic predestinationist is caught up in a guilt-cycle of trying to prove Calvinism’s salvific guarantee through personal behavior modification, lest they be shown predestined to hell by their works. Similarly, the Arminianist, when falling into sin, most often believes they may have lost their salvation, not demonstrating a life conformed to that of Christ. Both the Calvinist and the Arminianist are in the same boat. The former uncertain if they are deluded, and therefore trapped in patterns of sin because they are not part of the predestined elect, but of the predestined damned. Yet, they can’t be sure which group they fall into. And, they are prone to question their salvation. The latter (the Arminianist), is equally faced with the same dilemma, and sometimes drawn into patterns of contrived repentance, believing that by recognizing their guilt and repenting, their salvation is maintained. Thus, like the Calvinist, the Arminianist insists that the authenticity of their salvation is proved by their life of repentance. Conversely, the gospel of Jesus Christ is simple. You are saved by faith, and you are eternally secure through faith in Christ. Jesus said that whoever endures to the end shall be saved; that is to say, whoever keeps the faith to the end; and, Paul wrote that he had kept the faith and finished the race and was worthy to receive the prize, eternal life. By faith in Jesus Christ, we participate in our salvation, and not by works. That is our assurance of eternal security. And therein is liberty.
THAT very completely sums up American Christianity!
Their response is often to say , "Oh, you must be an Armenianist." that's their logic; if you are not a Calvinist, then you are an Armenianist. They don't allow for the fact that scripture teaches neither.
Great message! It'll challenge mainstream American Christianity.
