WBN - WWWO Ep 009 - final.pdf 270.3 KB
June 20, 2023

[PUBLIC EPISODE] The Wizard, the Witch and the Wild One: ep009 The King of Cups

Episode #9 "The King of Cups” is now available, wherever you get your podcasts!

What can't you get used to? What can't you learn to ignore? What, you think you can save every starfish? Not my circus, not my monkey, pal. It is what it is. Gotta take care of yourself first. Take a look in the mirror, love what you see. Speaking of monkeys, you seen my fox anywhere? He was right here a second ago. Hey where are you going? Wait. Come back.

BREAKING NEWS: Our first mini-campaign drops on the Patreon NEXT WEEK! Erika's running their first game ever! Not all the characters "make it" if you know what I mean. See* you there!

Simplecast

Apple Podcasts

Spotify

YouTube

We recommend listening to Worlds Beyond Number (and the Fireside Feed) on a "podcatching" app like Overcast or Pocket Casts. For more help getting the right audio in the right place, check out our friendly instruction guide.

We are

Brennan Lee Mulligan

Erika Ishii

Aabria Iyengar

Lou Wilson

Produced, designed, and scored by Taylor Moore at Fortunate Horse

Album art by the great Corey Brickley

Comments (76)

D
Dezzi · September 9, 2025

Coming in on my relisten after finishing book one to reiterate - (Spoilers so skip this if you're scrolling thru having just listened for the first time) FUCK STEEL THAT HEINOUS WRETCH OF A WOMAN!!!! She's absolutely manipulating Suvi! She let go of the full force of her upset on Suvi so that she'd be more willing to divulge information about Ame and Grandma Wren and not let her obfuscate anything. I noticed that sly little 'Did you give the book to her before she died?' question, as if she were just gathering information and not that she was deeply invested in the MAIN MISSION. (God and now I'm remembering Witch Con. At the time of it's premiere, I thought Steel was edging toward a moral event horizon. It turns out she OPENED THE FUCKING SHOW WITH THE SAME GAMBIT!!! Like, goddamn!) SHE TOLD SUVI TO 'keep it on ice' BECAUSE SHE DIDNT WANT THEM BREAKING THE CURSE!!!!!!!!! She wasnt worried about the spirit trapped in the bay, she was worried about the fucking optics!! And also good job Aabria - Suvi manipulating Steel right back by exaggerating her own upset and worry and fear to lessen the blow of punishment. God, every conversation between them is just THICK with information trading and power plays. I used to think this relationship was sweet but kind of strange in its intensity and now I can see it for the toxic sludge it is, knowing Steel's fucking secret. THIS PODCAST IS SO GOOD I NEED TO GO SCREAM ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE

Z
Zephry Wright · January 6, 2026

You took the words right out of my mouth! Doing a relisten right now and HOLY SHIT. STEEL IS A BAD PERSON AND BRENAN IS A (genius) BAD BAD MAN!

E
Erin Michelotti · August 19, 2024

Ugh the interaction with Ame and the Fox absolutely sent me. What would you do if you did what you want.

R
Ro Lara · August 4, 2024

AAAAAAHHHHHH relistening to the whole thing in between waiting for new eps to come out to remember and understand references and callbacks better and after #32 with the reveal... SUVI KNOWS AAAHHHHHHH

A
Ashley Teatum · May 2, 2024

This is a really, really solid episode. Just gorgeous how the threads come together. And the Gallows twine line. PHEW.

A
Archon of Commoragh · February 11, 2024

This was distugstingly amazing. I could not remain seated.

J
Jonesey · September 11, 2023

It's scary out here, Has anyone seen my fox? I'm done with this place.

J
Jenna · August 3, 2023

I'm late to the party, but this episode blew my socks off! Had to take a couple extra laps around the block on my way home from work to get through the ending. So genius having that tense scene between Suvi and Steel switch to Ame alone just as we start to put the pieces together about Steel's (threatening) intentions. Look out, gang!

T
Taliyah IDK · July 11, 2023

I’ve been binging episodes and the way I felt finishing this and realizing I only have one more left right now was indescribably sad- I’m too hype!!

J
Joos · July 10, 2023

I LOVED this episode SO MUCH. I'm doing a binge since I discovered this podcast last week as a big D20/Dropout/CR fan and I'm enjoying everything immensely. Thank you!!

J
Jenn with two Ns · July 9, 2023

Yall I am so ready for merch

C
Cobourn Sands · July 4, 2023

I can’t believe it hasn’t been brought up yet, but the way The Fox went “hehehe I’m going to make you do what you want to do” right at the end was absolute GOLD!!!

g
geansai · July 1, 2023

Fighting tears on the work commute during this episode was not what I expected today

H
Harrison Muir · June 29, 2023

"If I stop trying to do what I wanna do then they've already caught me." Ahh, wtf kinda line is that Brennan. Chill, stop making me rethink my life

C
Carrie Mook Bridgman · June 29, 2023

I love this show so much! In the first couple episodes, the (fantastic) sound design was sometimes loud enough to overpower the voices. Now I am having the opposite problem. Someone in the chat will praise some incredible detail, and I will have fully missed it, and have to go back and turn the volume way up to catch it. Maybe it's my sound system. Heck, maybe it's my ears; I'm 55. Still hoping they can boost it just a bit so I don't miss half the fun. Is it just me?

s
sarfs · June 26, 2023

Aabria absolutely killed it in her scene with Steel! It was so humanizing to see her just be a vulnerable young person relieved to confide in a trusted authority figure after weeks of trying to act tough and smart in front of her friends. Chef’s kiss.

A
Alec · June 25, 2023

This was the darkest episode thus far. I'm honestly really taken aback from the overprotective police state aspect of Steel and the Empire. Maybe it's because of personal things but man, Suvi is not making great choices but I feel for her upbringing, brainwashing, and trauma. There were so many many reveals that my head was spinning and if this were a campaign done by different people I'd worry that these three characters and their relationships would completely fall apart. How will they come back together AT LEVEL ONE??? They may be adults but they are still babies 😭

E
Emily Woodbeck · June 23, 2023

I was immediately obsessed with Will Gallows and every time we get more of him that obsession increases exponentially.

A
A · June 23, 2023

ITS OKAY, THIS EPISODE DIDNT CAUSE ME PHYSICAL PAIN OR ANYTHING

P
PokéRedstone · June 23, 2023

I’m only partway through this episode, but I can certainly say I want to punch Suvi. Good shit. Great characters.

S
Sasha · June 22, 2023

If anything happens to fox, I will legit take a day off from work to mourn. I love him so much😭

U
Urte · June 22, 2023

Listen I can’t wait two weeks, it’s just not fair! What HAPPENS TO THE FOX

S
Stephanie Fofi · June 22, 2023

So good! The reactions and the narrative lol!!

N
Nikolas Yoffie · June 22, 2023

So the other nation has definitely captured the King of Storms right?

C
Camille Lanata · June 23, 2023

what makes you think this? i’d love to hear more

E
Ebony Beck · June 22, 2023

quotes I'm squirreling away for a rainy day: "If they can't catch me they can think anything they want about me" and "...If I stop trying to do what I want to do then they've already caught me." this hit me right in the therapy.

S
Simon Mills · June 21, 2023

I have so many questions about Will Gallows like: - Why was he hanged? - Is there a "If you survive being hanged, you are free to go" law in Port Talon? - Did he choose the name Gallows or did people just start calling him that after the fact? - By what foul magicks does he continue to walk around? Separately, why do I imagine the mustachioed man with a monocle every time?

M
Miranda Caulkins-Pal · June 21, 2023

🔥🔥🔥

M
Mia Mac-Pry · June 21, 2023

Goddamn this episode rips. Just mentally high fiving Aabria & Erika during every outburst.

B
Berserk Chimera · June 21, 2023

God i wish we got an episode every week. I cant wait for the next episode damn it.

C
COTF Creative · June 21, 2023

Is it up on Youtube yet or am I just unable to see it?

S
Sven the Scribe · June 21, 2023

Don't see it there yet. It usually takes them a few days to get it up after the podcast goes out so hopefully soon.

J
Jack Jones · June 21, 2023

I've said it before but I will say it again, you guys are putting on I think the best live play show I've ever listened too, I get genuinely excited to listen to the episodes every fortnight. Truly stellar stuff gang!!

R
Ramil Karimov · June 21, 2023

WAVEBREAKER WHAT

T
Tony C · June 21, 2023

If anything happens to Fox …

A
Amber Miller · June 21, 2023

I'm really enjoying the episode! I was wondering if it would be possible in the future (and perhaps retroactively) to include a brief list of content warnings in the description or in the post here. I know it would be useful to more people than just myself, but for example I do have pretty bad emetophobia and the happenings both in this episode and at the end of episode 5 (I think?) were a little upsetting especially considering the gorgeously done sound design. It's not so much that a passing mention would need to be warned for, but something so immersive can be a lot to handle. Again, I'm really enjoying the podcast, and I can't wait for more! Even if this isn't possible, I will still certainly remain an avid listener. Thank you all for everything you do!

c
ceeg · June 21, 2023

I’m truly waiting, dreaming of the day Suvi wakes up and realizes that the Empire and the Citadel are not the good guys and that will probably take a long time but it has to happen PLEASE

J
Jack Jones · June 21, 2023

I actually love what Aabria is doing with Suvi, if you were raised and indoctrinated into a system from birth some people would never change obviously Suvi is already showing those inklings of doubt, instigated by Eursalon and Ahme's reactions to the overreach of the citadel and empire. She's aware that what the citadel does is often awful, but see's it as a necessary evil in a broken world, a broken world that took her parents from her.

P
PocketNyx · June 21, 2023

Always a thrill to hear from Brendad Lee Momagain.

O
OdoDaVodo · June 21, 2023

Today I had wonderful birthday and this is the perfect way to end it! Thank you everyone!

F
Fighting Favorites · June 21, 2023

I know this is well known but the music in this podcast is seriously PERFECT. Such a good episode

T
Travis Dart · June 21, 2023

I'm 23 minutes in and openly weeping in a transit terminal. Fuck this show is SO GOOD

F
Flem Candango · June 21, 2023

Missed Caller is a weird name for a cloak. 😏

S
Screen Name · June 21, 2023

Will Gallows is so fuckin' cool

a
abardnamedkate · June 20, 2023

Every. Episode. Slaps. So. Hard!!!!! The story, the role play, and the sound design blend together to seamlessly create a freaking movie in my head. It is AMAZING! Tuesday is simply the best day of the week now. PS to Erika: You are so great! GMing is scary at first but you just gotta jump in the pool and learn by doing. You will get better every single session. I’m sure you did great and I can’t wait for the episodes drop. 💛

F
FusRohNahSon · June 20, 2023

Its so interesting to see Ahme and Suvi's conflicting nativity. Ahme with just the way the empire works and optimism for plans. And suvi's "Im not naive" nativity with not thinming the empire to do wrong its just soo good and it also HURTS

D
DaShawn Coleman · June 20, 2023

Aaaah!! Every episode I am Aabria screaming at something cool Brennan says!!!

T
Thomas Hegarty · June 20, 2023

But why’d you do it so good tho!!!! The absolute devastation of the capture of Naram, the gangsters and the naïve honored friend, the genuine concern, the chaos!!! Love it!!

D
Destiny · June 20, 2023

The REVEALS this episode????? What???????

W
Witch of the Wandering Thought · June 20, 2023

Chills. Literal chills.

E
Excelsidorks! · June 20, 2023

Another great ep!!!

E
Ellen Hart · June 20, 2023

What a crazy episode! Poor Naram. Still breathing but just barely. cool. cool. cool.

F
FootnoteLovenote · June 20, 2023

Oh cool cool cool, everyone's favorite trope of "monsters" and devastation: it wasn't roaring—it was weeping.

J
Julie · June 20, 2023

Immaculate! Every episode just draws me in more and more! I’m also so excited for the 2 episode short game coming!

j
jd hegarty · June 20, 2023

I am dying to know more about the war and what the stakes are. Thousands are dying every day in it, Suvi says. Is this a forever war? Is it even a real war? Can't wait to learn that the Empire is an uncomplicated good in the world, as will surely be the case, right...right????

S
Sven the Scribe · June 20, 2023

In her D&D Beyond interview Aabria mentioned the concept was a three way war. We know the (nation level) players are the Empire, Rhuv, and Galthmei/Gaothmai (transcripts have gone both ways on that one). It's been ongoing since at least when the characters were children but we don't yet know how long or what the inciting incident(s) was/were.

J
Jessica Trossbach · June 20, 2023

My anxiety during this episode 😬😬😬😬 so captivating

S
Seth Carter · June 20, 2023

oh i just know the fireside chat for this one is gonna be bonkers

H
Hannah Brown · June 20, 2023

Not me wanting to punch Suvi in the face every single episode 🥲

M
Madison Beske-Somers · June 20, 2023

SO SO GOOD

k
kitty · June 20, 2023

AUGH ITS SOOOOO GOOD!!! I’m always so nervous to listen to this in public cause I’ll sporadically start cackling on the subway or get choked up with tears. <3

F
Flem Candango · June 21, 2023

Ditto. Doing shallow breathing exercises on the train so I don’t look emotional.

M
Micah · June 20, 2023

Also, finally hearing Suvi do a bit of fangirling over Ame towards the end was 😘👌

M
Micah · June 20, 2023

Amazing sound design by Taylor during Eursulon's drunken walk back to the chantry, it took me a minute to realize why I was suddenly feeling so disoriented myself before I picked up on the music. Incredible.

c
codemonkeyquilts · June 20, 2023

Another amazing episode. *chef’s kiss*

J
Joey Sawyers · June 20, 2023

The feeling I got hearing them talk about the beast at the beginning was indescribable 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

A
Autographedcat · June 20, 2023

"Not all the characters "make it" if you know what I mean. " Grandpa...is this a *kissing* book?

A
August D. · June 20, 2023

I’ll just be at my desk, getting gutted by the Suvi+Steel conversation.

J
Josie Christian · June 20, 2023

WILL GALLOWS OML

M
Michelle Spurgeon · June 20, 2023

This episode was so good!!!! Ahhhh you all say the most profound things sometimes!!

S
Sven the Scribe · June 20, 2023

Each week just keeps getting better than the last. Delicious conflict, Fox wisdom, and great lore drops.

J
Johnystoo · June 20, 2023

Why was this posted after 5AM?

S
Sven the Scribe · June 20, 2023

There's no fixed upload time. 5am Eastern is the earliest target but it gets posted when Taylor is done with it.

P
Pauraic · June 20, 2023

What an absolute ROLLERCOASTER

M
Megan Gass · June 20, 2023

Time to put in the headphones and tune out my coworkers.

T
Tiniqua P · June 20, 2023

I HAVE TO WAIT A WEEK FOR THE FIRESIDE CHAT OF THIS EP!!?!! I’M NOT OKAY😭😭🤧🤧