UNCUT - Future's End (VOY S3E8) | Star Trek Journey 434

This episode was better than most of season 3 so far, course that’s not saying a lot

The 2020s definitely has an identity as a decade and you will start to see it more clearly the farther it gets from "now". Once we hit 2056, you will see 2026 in old media as clearly as you see 1996 written all over this episode.

it definitely improves a lot in season 4. Season 1 2 and 3 are so mid and cringe that I cant watch most of them anymore... but.. you better believe I will be back.

You talked over it, but you missed a callback to City on the Edge of Forever. When Janeway is trying to use the keyboard, she refers to it as being like working with "stone knives and bear skins". As you've left the discussion for the second part, I'll save my thoughts for that. I think this 2 parter is fine. A high C or low B overall for this half. Not a fan of Silverman, but her character is not Mark Twain levels of annoying. Also they did a good job giving most of the cast a few good moments. Even had a little Resolutions callback when the Chakotay said the woman Janeway mused was her ancestor had her legs. Realistically either Tuvok should have stayed onboard and in command(especially being Vulcan), and Torres does outrank Kim. Then again they were damaged and Janeway no doubt knew Torres needed to concentrate on repairs. Still, nice to see him get to command for once. Love his response when the one officer asked if they should respond to the transmission. Must have missed the part where they were trying to remain undetected. Also. Ed Begley Jr was in Better Call Saul

all imo: It is a funny-ish meme, but I will say I hope it doesn't it doesn't become a recurring thing where you entirely skip discussions for part 1's. I tune in to watch the show with you guys and hear your thoughts, so skipping all discussion is a big bummer. You've said you want to experience it like it was experienced when it aired, and I'm pretty sure when it aired people had discussions after the part 1s. You can speculate, you can trash it, you can share whatever your authentic perspective is. But having 0 discussion really sours the experience for me. As a one time bit it's fine. But I ask/hope you don't make it a repeat thing. An uncut with no discussion loses like 80% of the appeal, and it isn't in keeping with the "watching it just like people watched it when it aired".

You know, I quite like this episode. Starling a bit too “evil billionaire”, tbh if anything he playing it down compared to what current billionaires would likely be like!

i played video games as a kid primarily Nintendo ('88 xmas) and Super Nintendo ('92 xmas). those were a big part of my childhood through high school. messed around a little bit with Playstation 2 but i sort of lost interest in video games in my 20s. i was too busy playing guitar in garage bands and chasing girls. i haven't really had any desire to go back. it's just way too fucking expensive now.

Watching this for the second time ever. I always thought it was odd that Harry was left in command and not Tuvok but it is some nice development for him. A little more insight into Tom here. To me, the script is written well. Sure they explain the bit about the car and don't show it. And the space battle between Voyager and the time ship is not shown, but I'm sure that had more to do with budget since they were filming on location. These are minor quibbles and don't take me out of the episode which overall, has a decent pace.

I hate this episode but not particularly more or less than I hate almost all of this and the previous seasons. Voyager is ok to leave on in the background while you're doing something else. It rarely sucks me in like some of other (early) Trek series.

"Woah, Sarah Silverman?!" "Strike Three!!" xD my sides

1984 baby here. Regarding video games: I played them a TON when I was a kid into my early 20s. Grew up on mostly NES, SNES, N64, and PC. I burned out on them. Game stories/mechanics got really repetitive and boring. Multiplayer games became tiresome and stressful after playing semi-competitively (Counter-Strike 1.6 & StarCraft 2 mostly) for so many years. (Predating those games, I lead a "clan" (team) as a teenager for multiplayer Star Trek: Armada [2000 release year].) In effect, I both burned out on and outgrew video games. Haven't owned one or played one for almost a decade now. Don't miss 'em. *shrug*

This is one of my favourite Voyager episodes. It's kind of goofy, but in a fun way. Can't wait for next time!

To respond to Josh's question about people under 50 who don't play video games, I'll respond. I remember playing Atari when I was very little, then Nintendo and Super Nintendo. I got away from video games for a few years, but when the Xbox came out my brother got it. I ended up playing Max Payne. I spent way too much time playing it At one point playing from 6 pm till 7 am the next morning (which is when I beat the game). The "afterglow" was pure regret, as I felt like hell and realized I had screwed up by sleep for essentially nothing. Since than I have only grabbed a controller here and there under unusual circumstances, but have otherwise sworn off video games.

I appreciate your thumbnails. It always tells me which reactions are going to be good!

These episodes are a fun time. A highlight in an otherwise boring S3. Nothing remotely substantive here, but every now and then it's okay to just sit back and enjoy.

Gotta love the 90s tropes. Ed Begley Jr basically plays Steve Jobs (only not as evil). The Left was concerned with things like the ozone layer and right wing militias, so those things are depicted here. Hilarious how poorly this has aged.

I met Ed Begley Jr. at a comic con three years ago and talked to him about this episode and his character.

Captain's Holiday was a Vorgon Conclusion!

This episode is just exactly how you imagined it would be made, which is not a good thing. Feels like any random bad episode of a 1980s Steven Cannell show, lol.

If I realized the runtime I would have waited to binge both back to back ... 😦. Oh the horror !

I love this 2-parter (and didn't like the 2-parter time travel story in DS9). This one was much more fun. Feels more like Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, but no whales.

i love how Alex very meticulously listed everything that he hates in star trek time travel episodes in the last DS9 episode, only for Star trek voyager to use that list like a fucking checklist for LITERALLY THE NEXT Episode. i have a feeling i know how this one is gonna go :D

Didn't remember this was a 2 Parter, thought it was a standalone Episode. C Tier for Part One, hope the second Part gives us something.

So no commentary until part 2? Have they done this before?

I actually like these two parters, I’d class them as a B tier.

I don't know why but I really hate this two parter. Just feels sloppy and stupid

I was six years old when trek aired 1966! 67 was season 2. Seasons always started in the fall. Dang good discussion on this one. It’s how I feel about most of this season.

Spock in Space Seed: "Khan Noonian Singh: From 1992-1996 - the absolute ruler of a quarter of your world" McCoy: "the last of the tyrants to be overthrown" So in 1996 the Eugenics Wars had JUST ended...if the timeline is canon and intact

I love that you guys predicted this episode during the trials Tribulations episode. I still like it though hah.

I commented back in TNG days that you should save your discussion on multiple parters for the end of the final show in the arc. Glad to see you took that suggestion finally! 🤣😉

If memory serves, isn't the Eugenics War in 1997? I'm very fuzzy on the agreed lore in Star Trek. Anyway, I've always quietly enjoyed this story and now I'm older I get all nostalgic, too. I miss my lava lamps ;)

I feel like you can tell when J&A are in a good mood before they start an episode. But glad you enjoyed this half.

They asked Data to abbreviate the discussion to the essentials

TA: We hate when scripts spell things out. Use some subtlety!" Voyager: Prominently highlights 1967 Starling's tattoo as a hippie, then as his present day CEO self to indicate it's the same person, but doesn't explicitly call it out. TA: 🫩

Not only did they go to ST6 for the homage - they STILL went to 1996 to torture Alex. The looks on your faces in the thumbnail is classic...

I love this episode and Sarah Silverman is great in this. Pure 90s camp in the best possible ways.

They "To Be Continued" you! Then you "To Be Continued" us! LOL! Love it. Looking forward to part 2, guys.

I don't think the pinball machine in his office is meant to indicate that he's evil, or anything like that - it's more a signifier of "tech billionaire" like a Steve Jobs or a Bill Gates, the "new" kind of rich person in the '90s who didn't wear a suit every day and who had fun gadgets in his office.

Anyone notice Khans ship the DY-100 in Rain’s Window?

No discussion? No part 2? The way my video was looking I thought they were gonna jump right into part 2.

Ed Begley Jr. will always just be "Stan Sitwell" to me.

Did you notice the Talosian on Rain's desk (Keeper from "The Cage" and "The Managerie") or the Botany Bay with rocket boosters in Rain's window?

They focused in on his arm tattoo, because at the very beginning of the episode they also zoom in on it while he's holding his radio by the campfire. A very simple way of showing that it's the same guy.

I can't stand Sarah Silverman's politics, but thankfully that's not the part of her that I usually focus on. ;)

Ed Begley Jr was, among MANY other things, in Battlestar Galactica as a Viper pilot.

"Every episode is dogshit" should be one of the critics' comments quoted on the box set.

Still better than Time's Arrow. This episode basically hinges on how annoying or not you find Sarah Silverman. Time's Arrow has a similar problem with their Mark Twain.

…to be continued on the next episode of “Josh and Alex Trek Talk”.

I did also find it mildly amusing that they often roast the producers for assuming the audience will miss things if they don't make it very obvious, and yet this episode goes out of its way to show off that guy's tattoo in 1967 and 1996, and they didn't register it lol

Anyway, I won't re-watch part 2 until they do, but honestly part 1 wasn't as bad as I remember. It's just.... fine.

"Read the patron takes after part 1, you cowards!" lol

EFF-WORD! I just noticed the runtime

Oh dear god...THIS episode. It's finally here. Welp, I'll watch it and break my C and higher rule, only because I GOTTA see their reaction. But yeah. D-Tier.

Oh dear, those faces... Its okay. Its very much a personal taste kind of episode.

"To Be Continued..." indeed! I thought you guys were better than this (JK) 🤣🤣🤣👍🏼

"The Man Trap" premiered on September 8, 1966 in the US. Two days earlier in Canada.

Thinking about this episode too hard gives me a headache. I hate temporal mechanics.

Oh gosh. That thumbnail spells bad news I’m thinking for an episode I like, although it’s sometimes been a misdirect. Only one way to find out. Heading in boys!! … (clicks play)

DS9 Started at Blood Oath

Your best discussion yet.

Alex "I hope they dont go to 1996" last week