UNCUT - Star Trek: Generations (1994) | Star Trek Journey 337

Generations has always been a good preparation for the best movie of all times. First Contact. In my opinion very "overhated".

I’ve always wondered if Guinan’s ability to feel timeline related disruptions comes from her being in the Nexus and having an “echo” of herself there. And if so, does Picard acquire that ability after being there.

I'm pretty sure I heard crickets when Josh mentioned Star Trek VI haha

I remember my heart literally breaking when the Enterprise exploded. It was like my childhood had come to an end abruptly. Then I tuned into DS9, and all was well with the world again.

I recommend checking out the video the Roddenberry museum released for Apple Vision VR .... 765874 Unification. It's a nice cherry on top for Kirk's death, because it connects to his last words "Oh My".

I wanted to comment on Guinan's wisdom in offering Data another drink. She deduced he was experiencing emotions for the first time and encouraged him to explore and understand unpleasant ones, not to avoid them. That scene was more than just a throwaway gag.

Something I love about this film is that, even though this is Moore and Bragga writing Kirk for the first time, they carried his Star Trek: The Motion Picture arc through. Kirk retook command of the Enterprise from Decker in the first film because he was hollow without it, and here, given command of the Enterprise-B, he willingly reminds Captain Harriman that he belongs on the bridge and gives up the chair for him. It’s a full, self-aware transformation for him — AND we see that he had regrets life choices like any person would. He’d grown and struggled in his relationship with Starfleet, and he came out making the right decision in his own time and in the Nexus. That was long winded, but it’s just well done character work. *Also* The Enterprise-D sets were lit funny in the Armagosa scenes because of the ship’s proximity to the star - it cast that bright golden light in through the windows.

I don't know if you noticed, but the shot of the Duras sister's Klingon BIrd of Prey blowing up, was EXCACTLY the same shot as from Star Trek 6 when's General's Chang's ship was blown up. Complete with exact same Klingons being blown apart right before the explosion. It's literally the same shot recycled. Also Picard is an idiot, he didn't need Kirk. He could return to any point in time, he could have returned to when Soran was in Ten Forward and easily detainable, or even better yet before the fire that burned his family and warn them. I didn't like this movie at all, everyone was out of character, especially Picard. Movie Picard and TV Picard are completely different people. The only consistent thing is they gave Troi and Crusher nothing to do.

Also a new sub... You mentioned some of the stunt performers. Pat Tallman was generally Crushers double, she was also in Starship Mine alongside Tim Russ, and was also Lyta Alexander in Babylon 5. Great reactions to all of the surprises. Can't wait for you to star Voyager

One things for sure, Picard was right never to have kids.

Remember what Kirk said to Spock and Bones in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier: "I knew I wouldn't die because the two of you were with me. I've always known I'll die alone."

First time commenter. I noted Alex's look of confusion at Soren's line "I guess his heart just wasn't in it" when Lursa and B'etor ask if he had gotten any intel out of Geordi. The line is so oddly out of place. This is because there was supposed to be a scene where Soren was torturing Geordi by messing with his heart using "nanoprobes". That scene was filmed, then removed, but the references to it were kept in. Including where you can still hear Crusher telling Geordi in sickbay that she had removed the nanoprobes.

New sub, first time posting! I've never been a fan of this movie compared to others. It's right around the midpoint for Trek movies. My biggest gripe that pulls this down is that both of Kirk's "deaths" feel hollow. The first was over and done with inside minutes. The second one happened with not a single one of his friends around or even aware that it had happened. That's downright tragic. :( One can hope the rest of his crew are still alive and kicking, and can have a remembrance, but who knows.

Things many didn't notice or realize: Jonathan Frakes wore Avery Brook's DS9 costume and LeVar Burton wore Colm Meaney's DS9 costume. Frakes instructed Worf to fire a spread of photon torpedoes at the Klingon ship but Worf only fired one.

I love this movie! I agree with y'all that the tv shows are what Star Trek IS to me, but I enjoy the movies as a fun popcorn time and this one has some really great and iconic moments.

I love this film . Brings back so many great memories from the opening night in the cinema ( ( in the U.K) Everyone turned up in ST uniforms and we shouted, screamed and generally had a ball. Just to be back with our beloved Next Gen crew was fantastic though they hadn’t been gone long! And to see Kirk, Scotty and Chekhov again ! So many wonderful moments . The death of Kirk twice was difficult, but his last scene still makes me cry every single time. We were told by Kirk that he knew he would die alone, yet when that moment came it was so fitting that he had Picard at his side. It was the final passing of the torch between TOS and TNG. How can something I first watched over 30 years ago still upset me ? That is the power of this franchise. Love the cinematography , the character development and scenes between Picard, Troi, Guinan and Data. We all howled with laughter when Data shouted “Oh shit” . So memorable. Yes, there are plot line faults but I didn’t care. For me “Generations” was such a fun ride. It will always hold a very special place in my heart. ❤️

I do think there was one "giant sin" for me, which is the death of Picard's brother and nephew. But I talked more about that in a Patron Take I hope you read! :)

Only one plot hole or incongruity introduced is that Scotty believes Kirk died saving the Enterprise-B, but later when he is heading for retirement and gets stuck in the 24th century during Relics, he says "I bet Jim Kirk himself hauled..." thinking that the Enterprise Riker mentioned was the -A? Anyway, if Scotty believed Kirk died during the events in this movie, why would he assumed Kirk was involved in beinging the "Enterprise" to come save them from the Jenolan later on? I head-canon this by assuming that Soran's efforts with the Nexus somehow shifted the timeline a bit so that the Enterprise-B intercepts the Nexus ribbon instead of an uneventful maiden voyage. Or at least something like that.

We where so close to seeing Kirk see the 1701-D Horrible disgusting dark lighting …hate the weird “cinematic” fetish ….full proper bright lighting is best. It so easy to see how Scotty’s lines where meant for Spock and Chekhov’s where meant for Bones

I'll try to keep it short as many others have already given their takes and mine probably reiterate all of those. The movie has a cinematic feel and several good set pieces. Most of the characters feel in-character. I understand that there were a lot of limitations behind the scenes that probably tied their hands. However, this movie has a lot of problems that limit my enjoyment of it: 1) Kirk's death does not feel fitting his character. He deserved to die as he lived, on the bridge of the Enterprise or at least another starship. I just don't buy that his paradise is a mountain cabin, although maybe it's William Shatner's paradise (he looks like he's having fun). He deserved a funeral fitting his place in history. 2) This ties into (1) but the Nexus doesn't match its promises. Neither 'paradise' we see seems good enough to really tempt either character. Picard also had a Christmas Carol story where he learned to love his choices (Tapestry). Even in Family, Picard eventually decides that he doesn't want to live on Earth, he wants to be exploring the universe. Paradise for both Captains would look very different. 3) It's a weak story in general - the Nexus is just a macguffin. 4) So many nitpicky details (costuming, sets, etc) are weird/wrong. Anyway TLDR the whole thing is just an excuse to get Picard and Kirk together on that mountain at the end. What are the themes of this story anyway? So it's not a travesty of a film but it's meh. I'm glad the cast had fun but I wish it was a lot better and esp that Kirk got a fitting end.

Generations is a boring movie. It is not an outright bad movie. There's some cool stuff. But to me it has always felt like five different TNG episodes shoehorned into one mediocre plodding story. There are too many moving parts with no real depth to any of them, and the middle third of the movie just drags so much. I always found the way Kirk died to be laughably lackluster, and Data's emotion chip arc both moronic and out of place. Although the bit where he is singing the 'lifeforms' song does always make me laugh. Picard losing his brother and nephew is a bit WTF and out of nowhere. But it's too integral to the movie to remove. I would have loved it if they had removed Data's subplot about emotions and just focused on Picard working through it more. Star Trek uses the "shield frequency" Dues Ex Machina too much, and this is one of the worst uses of it imo because it's shallow and obviously just there because they wanted to crash the Enterprise into a planet. Which was also entirely unneeded. You could have just left the ship crippled in orbit around one of the planets and everything would have been the same. I suppose it's a cool visual to watch the ship crash, but it was wasted time that I would rather have seen used to buff up the actual plot points that mattered. I give Generations a C- today. As an 18yr kid watching it, I think I enjoyed it a little more than I do now, although I do remember wishing it had been better at the time. I Probably would have given it a B-.

Pour one out for the Kurlan Naiskos, fellas...

Why is Kirk Better than Picard? Kirk can block a punch. :-) Always liked this movie.

It's not like I don't like Generations... there are just better Star Trek movies available. Where I can sit down for 40-50 minutes for a Star Trek episode, a movie is a larger commitment, generally longer than a two-parter or a two-hour premiere since those run about 90 minutes, and Generations isn't bad... but Star Trek VIII (leaving the name out) is better, and Star Trek II and IV are both better. I've turned around a bit on Star Trek III, especially now that I know the behind the scenes stuff about how Lenoard Nimoy only signed on to Star Trek II on the condition that they killed Spock (Like Harrison Ford in Force Awakens) but then Nimoy (unlike Ford) changed his mind and they were able to bring him back. I always felt like bringing him back was cheating, but... and the movie itself isn't terrible, except for killing David the way they did. Anyway, Generations isn't a terrible movie... but it's not a great movie, and there are better watches. I didn't see it in theaters. I was only 6 years old when the movie came out. The first one I saw in theaters was Star Trek X. More on that later.

And oh yeah, Whoopie Goldberg isn't credited in this movie at all. And nobody knows why.

I have fond memories of Generations, as I was 10 years old when it came out. I'd only discovered Trek a couple of years earlier, and Picard and the TNG were MY crew. In all honesty, they still hold a special place in my heart. I'd seen a couple of the TOS movies; The Undiscovered Country was the first Trek thing I'd ever seen, so I had some knowledge of Kirk going in. I remember the trailers being misleading, making us think that Kirk would actually be on the Enterprise-D. They specifically edited a scene of Kirk in the deflector room on the Enterprise-B to make it appear as if the Enterprise-D was warping away from the Amargosa Observatory, which heightened my excitement. Generations was one of my first memories of going to the cinema. Sure, it didn't match the hype, but I remember being more in tears at the loss of the Enterprise than over Kirk's death. Without the burden of knowledge, the old man finds himself pinned beneath a bridge. Meh. I watched the uncut version with you guys last night, probably for the first time in over 20 years. Wow. The character stuff really leapt out. The scene with Picard and Troi with the album made me weep, doubling down when Picard sees Rene in the Nexus. Kirk's death stung a little, but his final words got me. It also reminded me of those prophetic words from The Final Frontier when he's around the campfire with Spock and Bones: "I knew I wouldn't die because the two of you were with me." He always knew he'd die alone. And he did, canonically in the Enterprise-B deflector room, and he died without his brothers by his side on Veridian III. But he did die, with the captain of the Enterprise with him. How fitting. Sorry for the rambling post, but watching with you guys has really given me a new appreciation for Generations.

Every time I watch this movie I have to wonder about the uniform switches. Some characters switch multiple times. If I had to guess its due to things being filmed out of order and the uniforms weren't always available. I do know Riker's DS9 style uniform is actually the same one Sisko uses (hence it not fitting perfectly, especially with the arms). 47 yet again is a recurring number. "Bridge on the Captain!" was a meme before memes were really a thing. I like this movie. Its not my favourite, but its a solid A rating from me. A great 'real ending' to TNG with the Enterprise D's swansong.

Knowing that it was coming, when Josh said "oh shit", I lost it.

So glad you guys liked the movie, I too personally like this movie as well. The main issue I always hear from people hating this film is how they killed off Kirk in the end. That's it, they don't seem to care about all the other great things that happen in this movie that thankfully both of you caught and appreciated!

If Star Trek 6 was the most overrated Star Trek movie, then this one, IMO, is the most underrated Star Trek movie

felt like my prediction was spot on about this one. Generations dropped after the 8th episode of DS9 season 3 the next movie dropped after the 8th episode of DS9 season 5 almost exactly 2 years apart.

Got to be the most momentous day in the history of the Enterprise lineage, right? The D is destroyed and Kirk dies within like a 10-minute time span.

I had an inclining that you guys would like this one. So much of the fandom has a hate boner for this movie. While it's not amazing, and has the one giant plot issue that affects many time travel movies that you mentioned, with a couple extra lines of dialogue, they could have handwaved away why Picard and Kirk couldn't go back earlier than they did. Overall, it's not a bad movie and has some memorable scenes.

The Shatner scenes really get me emotional in this movie. I think the whole thing with the stellar cartography as it was never seen before on TNG. On the big screen, it was kinda cool at the time. I know you are annoyed at the Duras sisters biting the dust, but you have to temper that with the larger Star Trek universe now because DS9 is ongoing. Maybe Ronald D Moore was done with them but wanted to give them a battle as a character send off? I think the familiarity with Picard and the sisters works here as opposed to it being random Klingons, or taking the Klingons out altogether and putting the Romulans in or some completely new faction.

I like this movie more and more every time I watch it. I'm at the point now where my reaction to it is pretty similar to TAs's. And even when I had the same problems with it that a lot of fans do, it was still my favorite TNG movie. This watch through is the first time that i didn't find Data's humor to be absolute cringe. I used to think that it was extremely out of character for data, but I finally realized that of course he'd act that way if he's experiencing emotions for the first time. He'd be experiencing them the way a child would. So naturally, he'd be handling them in a very immature way at first. His arc is to learn how to mature and handle them like an adult.

Regarding the transition from TNG to DS9 uniforms… keep in mind it took them an entire year (TNG S3) to phase out the old season 1-2 uniforms with the shoulder piping. The main cast wore the new uniforms but background extras didn’t get the new uniforms until season 4. So in-universe, there’s definitely an overlap period.

Did anyone notice Worf seems to be sitting down on a chair at his tactical station on the bridge???

I think this film features one of the best acted scenes in all of Trek, with Picard and Troi. I felt so enveloped by Picard's melancholy, his unbearable sorrow when he finally lets his walls down around her. He has no kids. No wife. His family name and his own personal legacy, a flame dwindling away. I'd have to agree with Josh, it's my favorite scene in the movie, or tied with the Enterprise crashing into the planet. Riker continues his "Mr. Worf... " legacy. Love to see it. I find the nexus plot interesting, so the setup for it is unavoidable if a sci-fi plot is to exist at all. But that's neither good nor bad, it really is just preference at the end of the day. The idea of, in a sense, heaven floating out in space, divorced from time, a creation entirely of your own idealized desires, fascinates me. I wonder what mine would look like? Though, as Kirk said, it ultimately would feel meaningless if you're aware of it being an illusion of sorts (how real is it really, say compared to the Holodeck, hmm..) Overall, I'd give the movie a solid B+

As far as i'm concerned, Kirk dies saving the crew of the Enterprise B. In my head cannon, that's how one of the most famous sci-fi characters in history goes out.

Also (in my opinion) this review kind of shows why I feel like the lens they view DS9 through is affected by TNG no longer being a show they get to review. This is a mediocre movie at best, but I feel they just like TNG and its characters more, and are prone to be harsher on DS9 especially because just as it raps up season 2, TNG was ending, and for them that meant their primary reason for doing this channel, watching TNG, was over, I think that probably colored the emotions a bit (as it did for some fans at the time.) I'm sure they wll say this wasn't the case, and of course all of it is inherently subjective, it just seems, especially when looking back at the the reveiws of seasons 1 and 2 of TNG, like DS9 automatically has a higher bar set for it, because its not TNG, not trying to be TNG, and that will have a subjective effect on the enjoyment of the show. I think DS9 benefits from all the world building of the previous two, but it also very much is trying to be something different and taking the universe built by the previous shows and having that "universe" matter more then the concept of individual stand alone planet of thr week episodes, though DS9 still does some of that. There was the stated preference of seeing episodic TV again with eveything these days so serialized, but at the time (yes, at the time) seeing a more serialized trek that took all those elements and built more of a world with longer recurring interveaving plots was very novel and probably an aspect that msot fans liked about it, whereas a preference against that sort of thing colors how a show will be reviewed as a concept. I can't help but wonder how it would have affected things, not just in the long run but in the shirt term, had they taken a breakn after "All Good Things" to kind of process that journey, and then restarted with fresh eyes to let DS9 be its own thing. Of course since DS9 was running simultaneously, that wasnt the way its going to go down. People probably feel like I'm flossing a dead horse here- it's just that I guess I had hoped they would enjoy it in the same way and for the same reasons I enjoyed it- especially since they actually give their honest opinions instead of just being "wowed" by everything like some reviewers (like this girl whose thing is that she can cry on command). That of course is a tradeoff they addressed in a bit in a recent reveiw. Looking at something crtiically vs looking at something from trying to get maximal enjoyment. I've definitely noticed things I hadnt noticed before like directing and camera angles., and whereas before something like "Imaginary Friend" I just viewd in the light of not one of my favorites, but all trek is good- (and my personal experience of seeing it before all these tropes were familiar) I se it now as"how would someone from an outside perspective view this?" At the end of the day there is always a mix when it comes to reactions. Its like when people ask you what you honestlty think- and add, no really, what do you REALLY think. i used to get in trouble with this, as people want to know what you really think, but they also want you to really be impressed by their work. Thats also a thing with a more serialized format- if you don't buy in when it begins, you can be won back, but you can never experience quite in the same way as someone whose bought in from the beggining. Anyway, I feel this movie is kind of an example for me, where I have the take that I sort of see what they were going for, but it was poorly executed. Sort of wish I could see a redo where they had more time and didnt have the pressure of "its a big franchise movie" to really have the creative freedom to fully explore this idea without all the goofy stuff that brings it down.

My favorite of the TNG films and 3rd favorite overall.

When it came out the movie was marketed as sort of "Avangers" type movie, where the two "generations" come together and have a joint adventure. Heavily focusing on the scenes with the TOS characters and of course, captain Kirk. The marketing department did a good job of hiding the fact that it's mostly a TNG movie with about 8 minutes of captain Kirk returning only to punch Soran and die by falling off a bridge. At least that was the biggest problem for me when I saw it in theaters, it's all about expectations and I felt disappointed. However at the same time I never really hated the movie, it has good moments and I can see why some people like it, some don't and some think it's just ok - it has moments in it that fit any of that. Anyhow, seeing this now with you, approaching it with fresh eyes and no expectations, made me appreciate it even more than before (and it's not the first time that happened).

Alex does hit the nail on the head when he says Trek Works Best as a tv series, the rest of the movies and some of the previous one really prove out that point

So this is a repost from the trailer. This may not be a popular take, but my thoughts on the movie. So I can finally talk about this movie. I may be in the minority, but I found this really disappointing. I get what they were going for, but even Moore admitted they didn't pull it off. Seeing it was a lot like seeing Star Wars, The Phantom Menace. At first you just think its awesome there is a new star wars, then its like "wait a minute." I'll probably rewrite this on the reaction, but- 1. What a terrible ending for Kirk. As a final reward, he gets to live in a sort of Heaven. Till Picard pulls him out to help him win a fist fight against the next iteration of "Wrath of Khan was popular, so we need an iconic vilian". Not realizing what made Khan such an iconic cilian. 2. The development of Data and him finally getting emotions, which is a huge character arc throughout TNG, is basically thrown away for a cheap recurring gag. 3. They basically reuse a TNG plot of Geordi's viser being used to spy on the Enterprise, AND a Wrath of Khan element with the shields 4. The super corny forced "emotional shots" of the evacuation to the saucer section. 5. Having Ursula and Betor be in love with this guy for no real reason then to have some villians from the show and I guess because they wanted revenge on the Enterprise. 6. A general problem with these movies, that they want something that's not just for trekkies but has "cliched" movie action sequences that are suppose to appeal to a broader audience but just cheapens the movie. 7. The destruction of the Enterprise D without the glamor shots we got in Trek the Motion Picture beforer it's destruction in The Search for Spock. 8. When Picard goes back in time, there isn't a second Picard already there. This means he can go back in time and essentially replace himself. There was no need to get Kirk and travel back to the last minute. He could have gone back earlier and prevented the whole thing from getting that close, AND save the Enterprise in the process without having to pull Kirk out of "heaven" to die in an old man fist fight. One nice thing- resolving that Guinan's weird "sixth sense" about timelines and such comes from her exposure to the Nexus, not an inherent category of her species. People get confused about the Timeline, but she meets Picard here BEFORE she met him the 19th century, but from her perspective in the Nexus, she is there :longer" then Picard or Kirk so she sees all of time and her important role in relation to Picard. From there, she travles back in time to be in the 19th century and sees Picard again and "sort of" remembers it but can't tell him. This clarifies the time line and suggests that she may have actually "met him" multiple times when he was at different ages (it's compiicated) and after all this then seeks him out as a young man at Starfleet Academt and strikes a bond with him because she already knows a lot about his future.

This does invalidate relics somewhat as Future scotty thought Kirk came to rescue him, but obviously knew Kirk was dead.

If your unimpressed by the ribbon, Reflect on q's last conversation with Picard in "all good things"

Glad you like it. It’s just a fun movie

I enjoyed it less than I remember. It's just a meandering mess. The score is dull as is most of the movie. Data is just annoying for most of it and Soren and dull villain. Picard's dream is to be in victorian England? Urgh. It's just a slog with a few good scenes. Picard crying in a dark room kinda sums it up.

A promising start for the redemption sequel to Star Trek 6...and then Generations starts.

Also, kinda sucks for McCoy, Scotty and Spock, who all made it to the 24th Century, but have spent the last number of years thinking their friend died, only to find out he WASN'T dead, but stuck in a temporal Nexus, until he was brought forward to their present just to die anyways.

The big question with this film is: if you can leave the Nexus and go anytime, anywhere, why tf did Picard not go back to BEFORE his Brother and Nephew burned to death?! Still plenty of time to stop Soren.

I didn't like this one. It's like a very mediocre episode with a really big budget.

at the end of the discussion you were talking about the enterprise captains, I think Captain Garret was a boss and she was badass in yesterdays enterprise. she was the first to want to get back in the fight and save those in danger in the past so she could make a difference even tho she knew she would die. she was just like kirk or picard to me, Plus its so cool the C had a kickass female Captain

Very hard to watch this episode after Mr plinketts review. "Beam to the surface?" 😭😚

After watching this with you, I am thrilled that I am wrong. I thought you guys might hate it. There are parts I hate but loved this movie as a kid. It's a very nostalgic watch for me

Besides Nurse Ogawa, Lt. Jae was the other recurring crew member from the series I noticed. She’s the dark-haired conn officer with the short haircut.

William Shatner actually did most of his horse riding scenes. He’s an accomplished rider and owned a horse farm here in Kentucky where I live for many years.

Also, if you wanna blame *anyone* for actor credit placements, blame the ACTORS. They're the one with the ultimate decision on whether or not they take their credit when it's due.

I'll say this for the movie: as average as it might be, I teared up several times, even when the overlay got trashed, lol.

From the stardate in the captain’s log (48650) the movie takes place in-universe after episode 21 of DS9 season 3.

I know it's a minor point, amongst all the fuckery in this movie, but even as a child I remember being disgusted by watching that rocket launch from the ground and hit the sun a few seconds later like it's just hanging there a couple thousand feet in the air... So stupid! It drop kicks you completely out of the movie. I'm sure it's already been mentioned...but goddamn that kind of thing should not happen in a science fiction film.

Generations has enough holes in the plot to drive a starship through and feels very much like a collection of great scenes that don’t quite gel. But it’s a movie that I can go back to time and time again. I think the cinematography in this one is pretty great and it’s probably the best looking movie so far. (Yes some scenes are too dark tho). Best Trek film? Nah far from it. But I enjoy it

This is the 6th best of the 7 movies so far

One of worst movies of all time. Shout out red letter Media

No TOS Set but if you noticed on the observatory some of it's computer controls/displays ala TOS style computer as well as the TOS Enterprise painting on the wall in Kirk's house. Also like you say this one seems widely varied but I remember back in the day it being on alot, I remember in school our teacher randomly put it on during a lull day. Looking, looking.....a whole week!?!?! Until the next DS9 React....long week lol.

We always knew, Kirk would die on the bridge.

I need someone to make a clip of Josh saying "oh shit" and then Data saying it 5 seconds later

For Whoopi to be credited at all, her name would *have* to be included in the opening credits (as per the rules for an Academy Award winner). And because of her status as an Academy Award winner she would get top-billing over Patrick Stewart, and she didn't want to take that away from him.

"If I don't like it then this movie is not canon." You say that, but that is not how this is going to work. Many people did not like how Kirk dies at the end. To me, the script feels bit half baked and why things happen in the story could be thought through better.

While filming his death scene, William Shatner comically yelled "Bridge on the captain!" 😭💀

I think a lot of people give this movie a bad rap but I love it. I've seen it probably like 10 times now and I still tear up at Picard and Kirk talking on the horses, and when Kirk dies.

Some things to look at next time you watch it that are messed up continuity: 1. Picard at end rummaging through his personal stuff in his ready room, picking up his big treasured ceramic given by Prof. Galen, then sets it down and beams up with only his photo album. Picard would have taken that plus the ceramic plus the FLUTE and could have held all of them! 2. The emotion chip in the movie being 100x the size of the one shown in Descent 2 (look it up). 3. The glass in the bridge window breaking (it's transparent aluminum!). 4. Picard coming onto the bridge from his ready room through the wrong door that is supposed to go to the conference room! The three writers should have gotten that stuff better. I think a lot of fans (and myself) hate these things about the movie: Picard stupidly choosing to go back only a few mins in time instead of further back to when he first met Sauron on the Enterprise to arrest him then so wouldn't need anyone else to help him in the Nexus, the choice to kill Kirk by having a bridge fall on him instead of him dying on the bridge (ha!), and Riker and Worf completely forgetting to change shield frequencies right away. Troi finally gets to lead and is too slow to go to Impulse which leads to the crash (Sirtis made fun of that in an interview). Also, look back on the destruction of the bird of prey in ST6. It's the exact same clip in this movie! Talk about being cheap and reusing! Overall, the character development, action and direction were okay but some plot choices were terrible.

THE RETURN of the sex scoreboard. We have a TOS TNG combined board today. As usual we include all crew members that show up in the Ep/movie. Riker 15 Kirk 12 Troi 7 Picard 4 Dr. Bev 4 Chekov 4 Data 2 Geordi 2 Worf 2 Scottie 2 The scoreboard gave no new horizontal dancin'. Kirk and Picard almost get credit but again as the rules state it must be during the Ep/movie not previous banging even if there is multiple kids as proof.

to be fair, its always hard to make a movie that most people like. for the "general" puplic when it comes to TOS movies, the odd ones are bad and the even ones are the really amazing ones, so 2 and 4. but you like 1 and 3 the most :) so they cant please the general audience and you at the same time as its always very subjectiv whats good or bad you say "its not as intresting objectivly" but no man its very subjectivly i rly liked what you disliked and not rly cared about what you loved xD

whoopie is a huge fan of star trek and a good friend of patrick steward, as an recent oscar winner few years prior she didnt wanted her name overshadow them and not wanted to be in the credits when she did it as a "fan" basicly. i mean the whole reason she was in the tv show was because ... well she wanted to be in star trek xD its not like she was cast or something , she was an oscar winning superstar who said "hey can i be in star trek" and they werent stupid enough to say no xD BTW she still got nominated as best supporting acctress for a saturn award for this xD

I noticed that transition of your background while the Enterprise was crashing, nicely done

If you look closely, when Picard and Kirk exit the Nexus, you can see that they *literally* ride off into the sunset...

I don't care how many plot holes there are or weird lighting or whatever I will always love this movie. It's not in my top 3 but I still love it.

Well after the game while we are getting snowed in I’ll be watching this. Generational falls into guilty pleasure with Star Trek V for me

Its an ok movie. Later, Moore and Braga both admitted they were perhaps too young to properly express the angst of growing older with regrets.

If not for this movie I might never have watched TNG so most of the issues with this movie get a pass from me. The only exception was killing Picard’s family. I don’t think it was necessary to the plot at all.

No one really notices the use of DS9's theme during the buildup to the horse jumping scene.

Kirk: "Wait, we are playing on God Mode in the Nexus? I hate God Mode. I need my pain. Let's get out of here." Picard: "Robert, I know you hated technology, but why did you not upgrade the Chateau to 24th Century Fire Code standards?"

Also, if the Enterprise B was the only available ship to respond to that distress call, and they were just taking the ship from Earth to Pluto or whatever, wouldn't that suggest that Starfleet had literally ZERO starships defending the home solar system of the entire Federation? That seems ludicrous.

If the movie didn't have some of those emotional punches it can deliver it would be much worse but it does have em. I find myself tearing up when Picard talks about his family and seeing Kirk figure out he's in the past + his death both hit me pretty hard, even Data and Spot has some kick to it.

I put this in the takes, but I want to put it here as well. Some background production info. Industrial Light & Magic found the Enterprise D model was not well suited to filming on the big screen. The 6 foot practical model was detailed enough, but it's proportions were not well suited for 21:9 Widescreen. Notice how we only got one "TV Show" style shot of the Enterprise in this movie during the Captain's Log. They did some magic to make sure it looked great in every scene they could, but it was hard to film with. The production crew also found that the sets did not hold up well in the big screen format. They were designed for a TV show that you watched on you 20 inch low resolution CRT TV in your living room, not a 50 foot wide high definition projector screen. There were flaws in the sets you can actually see in the HD Remaster of the show. There were nonsense easter eggs on the displays. Part of the reason why the lighting was so weird in this movie was to hide all of that. It's also why the bridge was slightly redesigned with consoles on the side. It's a skinny set, and needed to be wider for the widescreen cameras. These 2 factors combined led to the decision to destroy the Enterprise D's engineering section, and strand a nearly destroyed saucer section on Veridian III. Basically, The Enterprise D was incredibly difficult to make movies with, it was better from a production standpoint to destroy it.

if i have to rank my favorite star trek movies, i would say its 4 7 and 8 are in my top3. i love this movie, i love the next one, such a good time in star trek

When we first saw this in the theater, there was long pause after the planet is destroyed by the shockwave (before the Nexus scene starts). I don't know if the film reel was switching in the projector or what, but it was so long that some people in the audience went "uh...".

22 year old me was upset with this movie when I first saw it opening night in 1994. At the time it felt like its sole purpose was to kill off my hero, Captain James T. Kirk. Saw it a second time a month or two later after made its way to a budget theater and my buddy and I stood up on our chairs and flipped off the screen when Kirk died. Now in my 50’s I understand the regret that both Kirk and Picard are feeling. Kirk’s empty house line, Picard’s fewer days ahead than behind line, have meaning to me now that I couldn’t comprehend at 22. Kirk’s death stings less now too, he essentially died twice in this film, saving lives both times. A true hero to the end. This ending that is here in the finished film was not the original ending. In the original ending Soran shot Kirk in the back killing him. Paramount had test screenings of the film with this ending and the test audiences really hated it. Paramount felt the whole franchise was riding on this movie being successful and ordered a new ending and Moore and Braga reworked the ending so Kirk dies more heroically, and Stewart , Shatner, and McDowell returned to the Nevada location to re-shoot. Patrick Stewart had totally shaved his head for another role beforehand so he has hair glued to the sides of his head in the re-shoots.

Malcolm Mcdowell is actually Alexander Siddig's Uncle in real life. He was married to the sister of Siddig's mother. Just another cool Star Trek connection.

Right to the moment Picard enters the Nexus, this Movie makes everything right for me. Character development, great Interactions, a good farewell to the Duras Sisters. But i wished for anything else as the Scene we got for Picards Nexus. Not from the Idea what he wishes, but the execution. Nothing worked there for me. The soulles children and Wife, and the Idea that Picards wishes nothing more than to be on Christmas as location. I just cannot buy into that Idea. And of course you have the opportunity to jump to any Time to save the Day. Surely you don't take a Time where People where not killed from the Klingon Ambush, and you can just Arrest the Doc on the Enterprise.... *sigh* Besides these 2 Parts which really upset me, the Rest of the Movie is great. But it did not stick the landing. Not the best Movie ( Star Trek 2 with amazing Uniforms by the way ) but als not the worst. It's okay. *edit: nah the Wrath of Khan Battle is better ^^ But it was a cool Scene here, really enjoyed it*

Vasquez from Aliens is the Enterprise B communications officer. Also John Connor's step mom in Terminator 2.

I'm glad you really liked this one, it's fair to say that i love it even more, my second favourite of the films after TUC, and my third favourite movie of 1994 after Pulp Fiction, and Speed. I knew you'd be excited seeing Guinan, and love Data's 'Oh shit!'.

The destruction of the Enterprise still holds up. I loved it in the theatres. But honestly the movie dropped for me after the Enterprise Crash then the rest of the movie I usually end.

I’m glad u like it

Also, as a proud Washingtonian, I invite everybody to please take a moment to admire our beautiful ship! In this movie the HMS Enterprise (Holodeck Edition) is portrayed by the Lady Washington, a historic replica of the first U.S. registry ship to sail to China (gotta get your tea from somewhere after telling off the British), and the official state vessel of Washington State (built for our centennial in 1989). You may know her from such roles as the HMS Intercepter in PotC: Curse of the Black Pearl and the Jolly Roger in the TV series Once Upon a Time. If you're ever in the Puget Sound area, especially July to Sept, look into taking a tour or a sail.

I had many issues with the movie on first release, but still loved it. Over the years, I've come just to love it.

I think Generations is fine. Is it my favorite? No. Are there good and/or interesting elements in it? Yes, of course. Would it have helped to leave in the story elements that were filmed but cut? Probably. Does it help to be in the right frame of mind for it? Sure. Overall I think they did pretty well for their first time out with what they had and in the condition everybody was in at the time. I also think it's important to remember that, while it's ridiculously commonplace today, before the TOS crew did it, it was all but unheard of for a TV show to do a big theatrical movie, and that even in the 90s, film & television were much more segregated communities than they are now. So, at the time this was like hopping on a familiar bike and noticing it suddenly has several more gears. It's going to be a little wobbly the first time.

The writers destroyed the Galaxy Class Enterprise-D to show the audience that not even Captain Keogh on the USS Odyssey would have survived in the same situation.

This movie commits the cardinal sin of storytelling: The entire plot is dependent on all of the characters being complete idiots. The film goes out of its way to establish that the villain can just fly into the nexus and that it does not matter if the ship he's on is destroyed - because the only way anyone even knows what the nexus is is by being on a ship as the nexus destroys it, which the villain is aware of from the opening scene until the end. The entire fight with the bird of prey requires the crew to be morons who don't think to do basic things like check the visor of the guy who was just held prisoner, remodulate the shields, or even fight back until they find some BS technobabble. Picard is too stupid to use time travel to do anything other than go back to the time he was at the greatest disadvantage rather than go back to a time when he could have stopped Sauron easily. And there are 0 stakes in the film because 1: Picard and Kirk could just keep repeating their fight with Sauron until they get it right by the movie's rules, so there was no reason for Kirk to die, and 2: the fight is over a planet we never see populated by people we never see. There's no reason to care about anything that happens. It's a travesty that this is how they killed Kirk and destroyed the D. This is by far the worst Star Trek movie for those reasons. The only redeeming thing in the whole movie is that the crash of the saucer section is a neat special effect scene. That's it. This movie feels like it was written by an especially primitive AI, or an AI that was instructed to write the worst possible Star Trek film.

The D will live on.....in the rating for this movie. The production process was difficult and everyone involved worked extremely hard. It does rival The Final Frontier as the worst of the 7 films. The special effects are very good for the budget. Alonzo is an expert cameraman. Frakes is very likeable. Everything else is sub par, to near-botched. McCarthy's music is interesting, but lacks the weight to carry the film.

Horror movie connection. Malcolm McDowell of course! Rob Zombie's Halloween movies. I'm not considering all of his many thrillers "horror" per se. Some people in my horror circle have tried to convince me that Caligula is a horror movie. It is not. :P

I liked it okay. Fantastic art? Nah! But not boring or soulless or anything that turns me off. I'll say it's a solid B.

I've already given my views on this film so I won't repeat them here, but I will give you a fun fact instead: Malcolm McDowell is Alexander Siddig's (Doctor Bashir) uncle :)

What bothers me about this movie (in universe) is the moment shields are breached, hey Worf rotate the shield frequencies........but in real life the Enterprise D was made for a 4:3 screen not the big screen.

You now have to head cannon Scotty's comment in Relics about betting that Kirk got the Enterprise out of mothballs to find him. Maybe he never believed Kirk died. Maybe spending 70+ years in a transporter messed with his memory. Maybe they learned the truth about the energy ribbon in his time.

I'd love to get into the reasons I don't really like this film, but a lot of it ties into future spoilers so I'll decline. I'll just say this: I liked it fine at the time, but I dislike it more as the years go on. We'll see as you continue your journey whether you wind up agreeing.

I loved the Data comedy. Surprised it fell flat for so many.

Saw this in the theater the day it was released. Was working on an ambulance back then and we could go to the Drive-in for free while on duty. So a couple of weeks later my partner and I were at the drive in watching it when the Enterprise blows up on the planet we got a call. Told my partner, who I had zero idea what as a huge Trekkie that’s it as we were leaving to run our call. He looked at me and said “they are a DEAD” told him, yup that’s it. Couple of weeks later he saw it in the theater and I was the MF’er of all MF’er’s 😂 but he forgave me and we started watching Voyager at work every week after that. Thanks guys had not thought of that in years.

Probably in the coments here (or a DS9 video) already and not any spoiler... ~ Malcolm McDowell is the real life uncle of 'Dr. Julian Bashir', Alexander Siddig (Mothers Brother) ~ Also... Siddig's other uncle was the deposed ruler of his birth country Sudan, before he moved to and was raised in England.

Great flick.. viridian 3 scenes were filmed where I live.. just outside vegas.. the valley of fire.. there are is still a set piece you can visit.. the walkway platform where picard and kirk are on either side of Soren.. it's awesome

I knew you guys would like it! I still remember being a small child when it first came to the HBO channel years ago, parents recorded and I watched the shit out out it. Its amazing that you guys made it your 3rd movie.

I've watched this movie 7 to 8 times. I just realized that the woman in Picard's nexus life was his sister in law, I assumed she was a off brand Crusher.

William Shatner appeared on the Jimmy Kimmel show back in March of 2024. He actually talked about his death scene and what he thought about it and how he'd do it differently...it's actually pretty good I think...maybe you guys should react to that...just a 10 or 11 min clip on youtube. no spoilers about anything star trekkie. it covers other topics too, like his 93rd Bday and going into outer space...but his death scene I thought was interesting.

Always loved this one. It's not my favourite of the Next Gen movies, but it easily bucks the trend of odd numbered Trek movies = bad. Picard showing some genuine emotion and growth, Kirk getting to ham it up one last time. Brent Spiner finally getting that much closer to being human. So many wonderful character moments, the cinematic shots of the ships (that gorgeous Bird of Prey sliding into position...) Glad you guys enjoyed it! Looking forward to your thoughts on the next one!

This film has many faults obviously but I will say the willingness on the part of the creative team to have the film's star/hero cry that openly that quickly into the film is pretty ballsy, especially for the first outing

1:23:37 not a bad B'Etor impression Alex!

I love this film. Assault opening night in the theater that was packed. There was a great audience that was very very reactive. This is my favorite of the Next Generation films. do I think that it's the best film from the Next Generation? No. But they do so much in it. The vibe in the theater and even the vibe leading up to the film, was so intense if you were a Trekk fan. Such a great memory walking out of the theater and hearing people's enjoyment talking about the film. This was so much fun in the theater!

Glad for you guys that you like it, but the number of basic mistakes and the amount of sheer nonsense in this movie means it was, and always will be, a D (for Disappointment) for me. I had high hopes for it with the TNG history of Berman, Moore and Carson, but the writing and directing looked like they forgot everything that went into the series, or worse, willingly chose to ignore it for some reason. The number of unforced errors was just inexcusable. And that doesn't even include subjective things, like the way they chose to end Kirk.

I think it's time they watch some episodes from OTOY. Not the last one.

Make sure you take a moment and enjoy this time guys, for me this was the best era of Star Trek - the transition between TNG, DS9 and Voyager. There was so much good stuff coming out, overlapping and building the whole Trek universe. Reminds me of being a kid again.

Despite your legendary dislike of Star Trek VI, you can't honestly say it didn't have character development (aka Kirk).

More X-files please Also, this movie is OK, but I object to the way they gave the Picard family, Captain Kirk and the Enterprise D a cheap death. The Enterprise B was cool though. Excelsior class ships are always awesome to look at. Also, we know from the Borg episodes that they can modulate the shield frequency…….and the windows are not glass they are transparent aluminum.

When Josh said "oh shit" right before Data did I was cackling

I haven’t seen this movie since it came out. It’s better than what I remember, though still gets pretty draggy towards the end. I give it a B.

After the rewatch (last time was 20 years ago, at least): I'm glad that this movie has been made in the early 90s. Because if it were a 2025 movie t would be like: "The Captains meet because Kirk has been frozen for emergency occasions, ah and he has a split personality, and the crew has to search for McGuffin-A which leads to McGuffin-B, then they talk to the head of bones in a water tank, since somehow the fans love futurama and it would be a great shot for the trailer, and in the end there is a energy beam in the sky over New York and Kirk sacrifices himself, but in the first post credit scene we reveal that he is abducted by the romulans and kept alive and in the last scene we hint the ST-CU where Q tries to recruit Sisko or Picard for the Alien-Vangers!" Ok, I did get carried away here ... What I really wanted to say: No way that someone would greenlight such a movie nowadays. And I'm glad we got Generations! I also love the look and feel of this movie. The scenes that seems to be with "light off" are interesting. I think the crew of the enterprise wanted to enjoy the real sunlight. They were quite close to the star. And We see the light of the sun-explosion directly shine on Picard

I was looking forward to both of your reactions when Guinan showed up, since I knew she was not credited in the movie, which I know you both love surprises. From what I heard Whoopi preferred not to be credited, she appeared because of her personal passion for the character and show, not for a paycheck. I like this movie, not the best, but I enjoyed it, to me it was about our love for the character's, the interactions and the two best captains meeting. The treat was not really the main plot in my mind, but if you think about the treat, which was not really there until the last 3rd, I can see why most did not like this one. Funny story to keep short, I had my laserdisc of this movie signed by William Shatner, then years later had Malcolm McDowell sign it, and he signed under Shatner and wrote, 'The One I Got Rid Of".

Bob Blackman created new uniforms for this movie but the producers pulled them at the last minute and went with the DS9 ones instead. Apparently it didn’t look too good on camera. They shot one scene with Geordi wearing the uniform on the Bird of Prey which was never reshot.

There was going to be a scene where they and the Duras sisters crashed on the planet and they send data to go open negotiations. He comes back with his hair tousled and an arm ripped off. And he’s like I believe I have successfully opened negotiations with the Duras sisters. 😻😂

A very mercurial film for me. Great action...when it happened. Great character moments...when they happened. But I'm not totally taken on the idea that the story knitted it all together very effectively. The story could have been a great two or three part in the series, though having Kirk elevated it past that. A good film, but not a great one.

I love Generations. It’s a little bit too much of this, and not quite enough of that but overall - given the amount of boxes they had to tick - they made a good fist of it. Fits perfectly into where Star Trek was in 94 and it might be my favourite TNG movie. Low A / High B

Glad you enjoyed it! I have somewhat mixed feelings about this movie, but on the whole I agree with you. It's been probably 10+ years since I last watched it, so it was fun to experience it again along with you. A tiny bit of background info now that you know who wrote this movie: The writing process actually started around the same time that they production of TNG season 7 was starting. Braga and Moore blame the fact that they were both so busy working on Generations for the weaker quality of some of the stuff in the first half of season 7 ("Liaisons", "Interface", "Force of Nature").

This is the first time I've ever seen this. I knew about the character deaths , the destruction of the Enterprise and the bad reputation it has and was always put off watching it for that reason. But I really enjoyed it!! Not a perfect movie, yes, but there were so many parts of it that I just loved. The scene with Data and Spot at the end had me almost tearing up. Thanks for such a great reaction. Enjoyed experiencing it for the first time along with you!

Also, it was funny to me that you joined me in not being the biggest fans of all the 'who turned out the lights?' shots on the Enterprise sets. I thought back when you were at Yesterday's Enterprise, when they go to the alt timeline and it's dark, you both loved that and wished it always looked like that?

Say what you will about any aspect of the story, but one thing Generations does right is the lighting. It's gorgeous and moody and the colors are really rich and saturated. I know it was done purposefully to "hide" the shabbiness of the television sets on the big screen and to help make it look more cinematic. Well... it worked. The scenes in Ten Forward with the "sunset" lighting from the Amagosa star is so beautiful. The stellar cartography room still looks crisp and futuristic. And I think the CGI on the Nexus itself really holds up.

Sybok was Spock's brother's name, btw.

The TOS movies separated the cast into "Main Cast," "Starfleet," "Aliens" and so forth starting with Star Trek 3 and going forward.

The way I've often thought back on this film when I re-watch it is that it's one of those instances in Star Trek where, on paper, or taken in isolation, there are many things I like about it, but that gets counterbalanced by other bad elements that drag it down, and I think in this case it also suffers from how some of those good things are executed or mixed together that drag this movie down to mediocre for me. Also, I decided to go ahead and pay the $10 for early access on this one; thanks for all of the good times and discussions, guys.

Also gotta shout out Brian Thompson, who comes back as a yelling Klingon again! And I'm pretty sure the red-haired guy next to Demora on the Enterprise-B is the "bye-bye, Hathaway" guy from Peak Performance.

I knew you guys would like this. That's because it is a good movie, and you like things that are good. Crazy how that works. I remember in the 1980s when some yahoo writer in starlog magazine or something started this stupid meme about only the even numbered movies are good, and everyone just fucking kept parroting it for the next 40 years.

Jack in the Box had marketing merch with the movie. There were collector's cups with main characters on them and a cool poster with Kirk, Picard, the Enterprise D, and the a small Jack in the Box logo along the bottom. I still have that poster. It's framed and hanging in the spare bedroom. =)

I enjoy this movie as a fun ride. The problem I have with it is if you think about almost any plot point for more than 5 seconds they all fall apart. But it’s definitely a good time. Here’s my random nitpick that has always bothered me way more than it should. When the saucer section crash lands it never turns at all. I know it’s huge and heavy, but still. There’s no way it should end up exactly straight forward. No clue why that bothers me so much!!

Whoopi is uncredited in Star Trek Generations. She appeared just for love of the franchise and was paid scale. (scale = Hollywood minimum wage)

Way to spoil No Way Home, guys! 😉

All right, I'll go this far: Ron Moore does his considerable best to give us great character moments, and he often succeeds. The problem is that none of those moments seem connected to each other or to the broader Star Trek canon. It's like a buffet of, I don't know, sushi and cheesecake -- I love both those things, but not *together.* Ugh, 31 years and I still want this movie to be so much better. BE BETTER, GENERATIONS. But the double "oh shit" was hilarious and I forgot that Geordi got his *best* dive-roll out of Engineering in this movie, so it does win some points back.

The wreck of the Enterprise D is to my mind the peak of the artform of scifi starship model work. Nothing like it has been done before or since. I was about 6 years old when I saw this in theatres. I remember sitting there during the epic space battle, horribly confused by the Duras sisters saying to fire at Will (Riker). I always loved this one and never got what people didnt like. I'm not sure if I can forgive killing off Picard's young nephew tho...

No matter the times I see it, this still leaves me a wet crying mess. Kirk and Picard's interactions, the star trek messages throughout, Data's little revelations of humanity and the death of the D? Just, so good.

I remember walking out of the theatre on opening night feeling good and having enjoyed the movie. Only time and re-watches changed my view which is now basically a bunch of good moments in search of a good story. It’s not a bad film and I don’t dislike it but I think it could have easily been more if they hadn’t rushed into making it so soon after the series ended. And like many others I would have liked to see a better ending for Kirk. Actually I would have preferred no ending for Kirk at all! That said I enjoyed watching with you guys and I’m really glad you liked it.

"We know the ship will not blow up!" Guess it's time to find another running gag guys.

If you guys have the behind the scenes "making of" featurette, I think you'll enjoy it.

I’ve been waiting for you guys to watch this movie just so I could finally drop this story on you! My stepmother was an animal trainer for movies and TV with a company called Critters of the Cinema, and they did a ton of work for the show—including providing Data's cat, Spot. My stepmom and sister were actually extras in the your favorite episode "Up the Long Ladder," and while I’d seen the Original Series movies, watching them on screen was what officially turned me into a TNG fanatic. When the show was wrapping up, my stepmother told me she was doing a scene for the first feature film and asked if I wanted to tag along. It was easily one of the best days of my life! I spent the day lounging on set and raiding craft services, which felt like a high-end buffet to my 13-year-old self. The highlights were legendary: at one point, Michael Dorn walked up in full, intimidating Worf makeup. There was another little child nearby who took one look at him and immediately burst into tears, and Dorn just looked at me and gave me this hilarious, knowing smirk that I’ll never forget. Then, while waiting between takes, Gates McFadden sat right down next to us to chat with my stepmother about animals, leaving me just sitting there vibrating because I was parked right next to Dr. Crusher! I also got to watch them film the scene where Data finds his cat in the wreckage, and as a teenage boy, I couldn’t help but notice Marina Sirtis unzipping the back of her uniform between takes to stay cool—seeing Counselor Troi’s bra strap was definitely a "core memory" moment for a young fan. I even went on a solo mission to explore the Enterprise. I walked through Engineering and noticed the colors were different than they appeared on TV, I’m pretty sure they did a custom paint job just for the big screen. I passed Ten Forward, saw the massive star backdrop, and even found the door to the Bridge, though I didn't go in because the set had already been "destroyed" and was just a pile of rubble. To top it all off, as we were heading back to our minivan, I saw a heap of discarded set pieces they were tearing down. I managed to snag an authentic access panel with a serial number tag on it and smuggled it home! There typed on it were the lyrics to "The Joker" by the Steve Miller Band. I’m honestly kicking myself for losing it over the years, but man, what a day!

i actually have that poster. got it from a friend who worked at the theatre when they took it down.

First-time commenter. Long-time lurker (back to The Man Trap). Read an interview with Whoopi Goldberg once, in which she said that she didn't take a credit in the film out of deference to the full-time cast. She didn't want it to become "A Whoopi Goldberg Film" or "Starring Oscar-Winner Whoopi Goldberg," She wanted it to be a Stewart-Frakes-Spiner-Burton-Dorn-McFadden-Sirtis Film.

David Carson directed the first episode of Deep Space Nine, Emissary.

Despite its numerous problems, I can't help but enjoy this movie. Too much "Mr. Tricorder" and not nearly enough Beverly, too much timey-whimey silliness & inconsistencies and not enough character focus, etc., etc. However, I still find myself enjoying this romp with the 1701-D crew. BTW - There was a fan-made short film (2 minutes and change) you may enjoy watching now since it will no longer be a spoiler for you. Hope you like it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC0ZHukgfl4

There are parts that I like, there are parts that I would do differently. But one thing I have to give props to is the cinematography. It is an objectively great-looking film.

So I know this has been up for a couple days on the bridge crew server and I could have watched it, but it's been a busy week so I didn't have time till now. Guys, loved the reaction. This made my Saturday morning. The double "oh shit" had to be the best moment. Just a fun time all around. This movie really is the definition of "mixed reactions". Kirk's death, Picard not going back to an earlier point to stop Soran, and the Enterprise getting taken out the way it was are pretty much universal complaints, but people weight them very differently in comparison to the rest of the film. If nothing else, I think you gotta admit the cinematography is stunning most of the time. Loved all the close up shots of the 1701-D, and in fact the one shot you pointed out that was lifted straight from the show stands out like a sore thumb with how brightly the ship is lit and also lower resolution, but all the original shots are gorgeous. Even the darker interior lighting works for me. I love the orange glow of Amargosa on the hull and shining through the ready room window. But then I'm a dark mode kind of guy through and through, so I'd probably have my ship lit like that if I were captain. It's funny that the reason they killed off the D was because they felt it wasn't properly suited to the big screen, and frankly I think this movie shows how wrong they were about that. I also like seeing the uniforms in transition, but having Frakes borrow Avery's uniform and LeVar borrow Colm's when clearly neither fit properly wasn't the best choice. Could probably have got away with Gates borrowing Terry's costume. Still, while I do like the DS9 uniforms and I think they look very comfortable, I do think the TNG uniforms are a better look on the big screen. The opening sequence is a fun time. It's so confusing at first why this random bottle of champagne is just floating through space, and as soon as you see that NCC-1701-B it just clicks. I get the criticisms that Chekov and Scotty's lines were(with some exceptions like Chekov spouting off some Russian) clearly written as Spock and McCoy's, and it would have elevated Kirk's "death" so much if the whole TOS cast had been there for the Ent-B sequence. Nice seeing Sulu had a family though, adding that bit of continuity to the original cast. Though the older I get, and never having been one of the "cool kids", the more Chekov's "I was never that young" line hits. As for how Harriman got command of an Enterprise? Like, cmon, is that even a question? Obviously his mom or dad is an admiral. Guys, you know how starfleet works at this point, I shouldn't have to explain this😆. But seriously I do think Harriman is a bit overly maligned. This was just supposed to be a ceremonial engine test, the ship has a skeleton crew and half the systems aren't installed yet, and he's got a dozen reporters shoving cameras into his face while he's in the presence of living legends and childhood heroes. And yet, when nobody else can respond, he still steps up, and when he realizes he's out of his depth, he defers to Kirk's experience. Yeah, he's green, but I think he has potential. Clearly Kirk did as well when he offered to take care of the deflector. Worf's promotion was a fun sequence. There's never really any indication on the show that this ceremony was a thing, and Thine Own Self sells it more as "congrats, here's your pip". I love how serious and judgmental Riker sounds reading off the "charges" though. You know he got a kick out of that, especially with how tight he and Worf are. I get that it feels a bit cheap or expedient to just kill off Picard's brother and nephew like that, but I do love the exploration of mortality and family and legacy that it led to. Likewise I agree that in and of itself I find the nexus plot to be fairly uninteresting, but as a tool to explore Picard and to an extent Kirk's characters it serves it's purpose. Yes we can talk about how Antonia should have been Edith or Carol, or how Picard's wife should have been Nella(I even made a take about that). I guess you could say Crusher as well, but Nella would be more appropriate given they were in an actual relationship. But I think the Nexus segment, while perhaps a bit short, is effective in exploring what tempts both Kirk and Picard, and why despite Guinan's warning, they are both able to reject it. Kirk dreaming about being able to hop on a horse and just ride across the countryside, far from civilization speaks to the same hunger for rugged independence Picard expressed to Riker in regards to the age of sail. Not weighed down by schedules and orders and obligations. Kirk's quiet life in the mountains with Antonia and his dog Butler is clearly looking back in a nostalgic way(can't help but think if Merritt Butrick had still been alive he would have imagined David showing up, though I know that would have ruined the movie for you guys😄). Meanwhile Picard's fantasy of having a family is looking forward, with the exception of Rene being there. Both however on some level clearly desire something beyond being "captain of the Enterprise". That at some point they've done enough and should be able to settle down. But Picard seeing the supernova in the Christmas ornaments, remembering that his crew died along with an entire civilization, he knows he can't let that stand. When he tells his "son" to go on without him, I believe it's because he knows if he goes into that room, he may not be able to tear himself away from the fantasy. His sense of duty and responsibility is too strong. With Kirk, he's always been a man that needed to live on the edge. He got too restless in retirement and gave up a relationship to go back to starfleet. For a moment he's tempted to undo that decision, but when he realizes none of it matters, that there's no chance of getting it wrong, it all seems hollow. His line to Harriman that "risk is part of the game if you wanna sit in that chair" harkens back to IMHO Kirk's best speech. If he's not risking it all to make a difference, is he really living? Could Picard have put up more of a fight? Could Kirk's death have been more epic? Could a few klingon henchmen for them to overcome have helped sell the sequence? Sure, I guess, but that's fairly nitpicky stuff to me. Patton was one of the most renowned generals of WW2, and he died in a car accident. Kirk helped save an entire civilization of 230 million people, and the crew he referred to in a meta way in the closing log entry of ST6. He damn well made a difference. Even though Shatner admits it didn't quite come out as he imagined, his intention in his death scene was not to portray any kind of fear, but rather, being the eternal explorer, to convey a sense of wonder and curiosity at what awaited him beyond death. The true "final frontier" if you will. And yes, Picard could and should have gone back quite a bit earlier. I wrote a whole answer on Quora years back where Picard went back a couple days before Worf's promotion, arranged for a modern fire suppression system to be installed at his brother's house(like we saw in Up the Long Ladder), and got the Enterprise to Amargosa before the Romulans could attack and arrested Soran before he could destroy the star. But I get it, the movie has to happen. I'm fine with the Duras sisters being the baddies, but they should have given them something bigger and meaner than a bird of prey so the Enterprise didn't go down like a bitch. Give then a Vor'cha from Redemption. You can pull the same cloaking trick. Even without shields I think of all the times the Enterprise really let loose like against the Husnock, and even without shields it should have folded that POS bird of prey like the garbage it was. Also for some reason I never made the connection that since Worf fired the torpedo, he basically wiped out the house of Duras all by himself. Good for him. Regardless of how much of a disservice to the Enterprise it is to have it go down like that, the shots during the battle and the crash landing sequence are chef's kiss. Just beautiful cinematography. Also, while watching this BoP pounding the Enterprise feels like watching getting beat by a 2 bit villain while they're duct taped to a chair, gradually using a piece of glass to cut themselves free, IMO that torturous sequence makes the destruction of the Duras sisters' ship all the more satisfying. It's like "our turn now, F**K YOU!!!". As for Data's arc, I get that the constant 14 year old humor gets old fast, but it's much more forgivable when it transitions into guild after Geordi is abducted, and as any cat owner can attest, none of us would be any different if we were reunited with our feline friend after a crash like that. Also the "oh shit" was perfectly valid in that situation. Finally, I gotta say, Jerry Goldsmith may be the GOAT, but Dennis McCarthy cooked with this soundtrack. The music in deflector control, or during the battle and crash sequence were properly cinematic, the Generations Overture is very uplifting, and the music hit all the right emotional beats when it needed to. Great soundtrack. Overall, Generations I would put on the lower side of B tier. I understand the criticisms, and I have some of my own, but I do think the positives outweigh the negatives. It's not my favourite Trek film by any means, but it's still a fun watch every now and then. And even if it's not what most fans would have asked for, I'm glad we got to see Picard and Kirk team up.

This isn't my favorite Trek or even TNG movie in terms of plot, but I think it has for me the best moments and most emotional impact in it of any Trek movie, from Picard's loss and getting at least a little slice of joy in the nexus, to Kirk's death, Data finding Spot, and basically the whole Enterprise-B scene just getting one last visit with our old friends.

Fun fact: the cast had 10 days between finishing filming All Good Things and starting filming on Generations.

The writers and directors were doing this movie and the All Good Things episode at the same time. Was really quite an effor for them. Turns out they liked how the series finale came outn better than the movie.

You hit the nail on the head Josh and many of us agree: the whole Nexus ribbon thing was confusing, not interesting, and All Good Things was more interesting than this story.

The concept and writing of this movie started 2 years before it came out. They had only a few weeks to write All Good Things from start to finish.

The reuse of Star Trek VI bird of prey sequences(especially its destruction) was really distracting to me. The movie was okay. It definitely could be tightened up as far as pacing.

No, you have to understand, now that we've got past this one, the movies REALLY start!

something i found funny is at the end where Picard is getting his family book, he pick up the Kurlan artifact from the chase that he fanboy over and said was super rare then he dump it back on the ground and leave it in the wreckage,for shame Picard for shame

I love this movie. I'll be turning 47 this year and the theme of mortality hits me harder each year, especially Picard's regretting his choice of not marrying or having children. So much loss and grief throughout the movie, but Data finding Spot alive and well at the end was a life-affirming moment the movie needed. The score is one of the best in any Star Trek movie, especially after the "wallpaper music" of the later seasons. The movie is a visual feast and the crash of the saucer section is one of the last great practical effects sequences in movies. I'll never forget seeing this in the theater opening weekend the silence in the room when the saucer settled and then everyone breaking out in applause. I don't care about the plot holes, I just love this movie.

A laundry list movie that never quite comes together nonetheless I can’t help but love it.

Captain on the bridge... I mean: Bridge on the Captain

1 hour 15 minutes and 31 years later... Alex nails the assignment. 😆🤣🥰🖖

I was an 80s kid so the movie store had VHS only, and I don't really recall any posters or standees but some videotape cover art which always popped out to me was for the movies Repo Man and Ghoulies

Ya know, I never noticed how slow as shit some of these movies are until I watch somebody else watch them...

Nice pop with Guinan.

Whoopie Goldberg was an Oscar winner by this time and chose not to have billing in the credits so the rest of the cast could shine in their first movie outing.

Teeing up the special edition DVD. Looking forward to what you guys think of this film.

Growing up in a broken home, this ship and crew were my family. 11 year old me seeing this film was heartbreaking, but it taught me that change is life. Even if its hard. Without change, we can't grow beyond ourselves. Picard losing his brother and nephew, losing Kirk, losing the Enterprise-D, Data becoming more human and the crew losing their home... and yet, change drives us to be better. The film may not be perfect, but it's lesson to me on change is one I keep with me always.

Just blame everything you dont like on rick berman cause it was probably his idea. If ever a movie deserves a b its this

I have always liked Generations. Maybe more than a lot of people. I could list major issues (why didn't Picard choose to come out of the Nexus at an earlier point in time when Soran would be easier to apprehend and do less damage?). I could list ways to vastly improve the movie (it should have been Edith Keeler as Kirk's fantasy instead of "Antoniya"). I could say it wasn't the best death for Kirk. None of it changes the fact that I like this movie. Ron and Brannon did the best they could under studio mandated restrictions. Any original cast members could only appear in the first 15 min, with Kirk allowed to return at the end. The Klingons had to be used. There had to be some sort of time travel element. Leonard Nimoy was offered to direct but said the script needed a major overhaul. He was told they didn't have time and were happy with what they had. So, he declined to be in the movie, which probably influenced DeForest Kelley declining as well. Undiscovered Country represent! The Bird of Prey explosion was lifted out of Star Trek 6. You can't keep a good movie down. lol LLAP

I'm a bit of an outlier when it comes to this movie. So many people don't like it 'Because it feels like just a high budget 2 part episode of the show' but to me this is precisely why it's so great. That being said I actually don't think I've rewatched this since the 90s so I'm actually excited to see if it has actually held up or if it's just childhood nostalgia. I know as an Adult I like TMP a lot more than I did when I first saw it; and I like 2-6 less to varying degrees (even 10 year old me knew that V was hot garbage though). You guys got me to change my opinion on VI.

It's finally here. Thank you, guys. Looking forward to it! Wonder what the warning is about !?! Anyway thank you in advance for caring about our well-being.

Not liking Trek as a movie and not being a movie person most of the Trek movies get a B, Voyage Home gets an A, this can have a B. Maybe I will like it better after this. I hope the YouTube moderators had a good break, next month YouTube will be insane with 75% spoilers. I can accept Kirk dying I guess, but Picard’s family being killed is wrong and the movie feels long. But I do like several moments especially the first twenty minutes.

oh wow, is this a day earlier than normal even for early access!? what a treat.