PATRON TAKES - DS9 S2E6
TAKES WILL BE READ 8/5
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Ugh. I hate this guest character. I hate this story. The Kilngon chef was cool. D.
So glad we decided to do more romance plots for bashir... Seriously give this character some better stories already
Melora? That sounds like a disease. "Your test results came back today. I'm sorry to say you tested positive for Melora. I'm prescribing these pills to keep your Melora under control..." Am I the only one who thought that?
I know some people say S3 is where DS9 starts, but for me it's S2. Ummm, maybe not this episode (it's just a C for me), but I loved how the creators broke the mold with a 3 part opener and they just kept getting more bold from there. I think this season is where they get a vision & start implementing it (brilliantly). And it pays off sooooo fucking well. DS9 just may be my favorite show ever. Have fun with Season 2~~~
I love the Klingon chef and his Gagh - I would never eat worms- I remember reading a book as a kid in the 70s called "How to Eat Fried Worms" that was censored or banned by idiots on school boards about a kid who bets his friends that they can't eat these crawlers...
While the Bashir Melora romance is boring, the acknowledgment of disabled people's p[lights and their steadfast strength to overcome adversity is admirable
It took me five times to actually watch this episode again before writing this comment. I don’t like most of this episode. The things that people are pointing out such as the Klingon restaurant are good. Malaura is interesting, but not that interesting as a character the actor Daphne Ashbrook appears in the 1996 Doctor Who movie and in general is good in her roles, but none of the shows really seem to have good stories for her to work with.
Are the writers going to, "Geordi", Dr. Bashir? lame episode
Nice to have a Bashir episode, but it is a bit "Meh"-lora.
Oh this was terrible. The show still isn’t quite sure of its direction, but they are trying to develop character and give each of the ensemble cast a chance. Bashir is failing in the hot leading man department though. I love the character, but this direction isn’t working.
Ok, that’s nice. Next…
I can’t get past Melora floating along with Julian when the gravity is turned off. Shouldn’t that allow her to stand and walk normally?
Her planet is LOW gravity, not NO gravity. She just found the ability to float in zero-G fun. It's like the difference between needing to sleep on a waterbed for back problems, and going for a swim.
Melora was getting that Dragonball Z increased gravity training in.
Is it hard to get into new characters on ds9 after getting to know and love the tng cast for the past 7 seasons?
this may be a nice episode (or not), but certainly one you'll skip on every rewatch
Just about every doctor in Trek has a relationship of sorts with one of their patients. For whatever reason, Bashir's relationships tend to be the cringiest. I like stuff from this episode, but it's largely forgettable, and whatever message they were going for doesn't land too well. Not the absolute worst episode, though.
I like this episode. In my opinion it does a good job of highlighting the good and bad qualities of our man Bashir. Worst thing I can say is it’s predictable. B-
What you need to understand, is that even at the time this episode was CRINGE
who else saw the ending coming from a light year away
Worst offense this episode makes is being BORING -_ -zzzzzz There is an unfortunate peppering of these season 1 type episodes in season 2, but thankfully this is the worst one... I think.
Okay, so you've met the Klingon Chef. Best part of the episode by far. BUT, fun fact, on the Promenade set there was a directory listing all the businesses there and his restaurant isn't listed — but the Klingon Consulate is. So, there's a fan theory floating around that the chef is actually the Klingon diplomat assigned to Bajor and he just turned the consulate into a restaurant lol
I did not know that, and I like it
So a version of the character Melora was originally pitched as a main character of ds9 at its inception. The idea was dropped for a number of reasons including long term budgetary concerns on the "low gravity" stuff. What are your thoughts on if she was a main character? What Possible story telling opportunities present themselves, good or bad?
The best part of this Episode, and only real memorable part, as several others have said, is the Klingon restaurant. Great at showing a different side of Klingons, the Klingon Chef has such character in his little bit.
I'm at a loss of words for just how bad I think this episode is...
Who let this season 1 episode in my glorious season 2??
This is simultaneously a relative low point in the season and also overly hated. Compare this to Aquiel, and this guest character is leagues better.
Episode is "meh". Interesting attempt to show the anti-gravity stuff but otherwise forgettable.
The anti-gravity stuff is relatively well done, but I find this one mostly forgettable.
One of the weaker ones of the series. I do like the conversation between Bashir and Melora about how in space, no one is truly independent and they all need to depend on each other. Makes you wonder how she got through Starfleet Academy if she had trouble working with others.
Seeds of very cool concepts are blown on a nothing story and the character assassination of Bashir. Trek getting high on its own supply really thinking it's saying something.
When you think about it, wouldn’t there be more species with different homeworld environments that would make it difficult for them to live in a shared space?
Not if most of them were seeded by a 4 billion year old bald lady
I honestly don't remember this one but I think I hate it. That probably says all there is to say about it.
Wow, an episode that fully revolves around a guest character i absolutely don‘t give a shit about. Great!
This is one of the most TNG like episodes of DS9 yet, with that angry woman, a little Afterschool Special problem, and someone in need of a lesson. I turned it off I think before the second commercial break.
As a die-hard trek completionist? I'm jealous please take me with you. You avoided the worst
I hate this episode. I DESPISE it. I think stories about disability are important to tell, and they're pretty rare, so when a disability story fails it really pisses me off. On the bright side, this is by far the worst Season 2 episode. It's only up from here.
I'm a special needs mom with two non-verbal children, and I completely agree.
Probably one of the worst episodes in what is otherwise a fantastic season IMO. The entire Julian relationship seems out of character at this point in the series. This episode is clearly filler.
What, you don't like the Doctor romancing his patient and being super pushy?
The Klingon chef! One of my favorite minor characters.
Everyone loves the Klingon Chef. He has such character, and so boisterous.
Aw, shit! We had a relapse. Bad TNG is back. We were doing so good.
You mean bad DS9. That’s more of a regularly occurring phenomenon.
Bashir’s speech about why he became a doctor exemplifies the things I like about the character. The first couple of interactions with Melora demonstrates everything I dislikes. There is a certain entitlement that he has, mixed with his arrogance and elitism that’s unbecoming. It’s not that bad as the episode progresses, but just reminds me of his scenes with Dax from last season.
I'd put this one in the bottom ten for DS9 episodes. I tried to find something I enjoyed about this and it was a struggle. The Klingon chef maybe?
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DS9's "The Outcast", but way worse. A not-so-subtle social issue-episode, about disability this time: - The writers put Melora in a literal 20th century wheelchair. Did they not trust the audience would get what the episode was about? Or did their imagination float away? - Trained Starfleet Officer Dr. Bashir never experienced zero-G before? Really? - Why would an alien species that evolved in a low gravity environment have normal legs? Bad and boring. Next episode please.
Best moment is Odo's reaction to Quark saying the alien intends to kill him. For a brief moment Odo is happy.
The klingon chef was a fun side character.
I primarily remember this one for the Klingon restaurant. I love when species aren't one dimensional, like "all Klingons are warriors". No, this Klingon is a chef and he's absolutely fabulous!
I always felt the the Warrior class has seized control of the government sometime since Star Trek VI, maybe as a backlash to the Federation Alliance. There's no way they would have made it into space without there being a way for scientists and engineers to be respected, nor would they have made it without the government funding a warp program and space exploration.
i think the guest star is good. and good on bashir for finally scoring. thats about it lol
If I recall correctly, Melora was intended to be a recurring character, until they quickly realized having someone in a wheelchair created a lot of logistic issues, most obviously the fact that this Cardassian station would require installing a series of ramps down each hallway set because there are raised pieces that have to be stepped over every so many feet.
I'm not sure Bashir fully grasped the gravity of falling for his patient. I don't hate this one, but I don't love it either.
My beef was how could she grow up on a planet without gravity? How could it hold an atmosphere. Okay, nit picked. Was basically a boring episode BTW.
It didn't have NO gravity, just very low gravity.
I get the themes, and respect them. Disabled people should not be defined by their disability and shouldn’t be patronised. I got that from Dax’s first discussion about it with Sisko. I didn’t need to be reminded 400 times. It quickly becomes annoying. It’s a bad sign that that’s really all I remember from the episode…
You get 400 constant reminders in 45 minutes about someone being disabled. That IS annoying. Disabled people get constant reminders all day, everyday when they have to accommodate their, habits, schedules and way of thinking just to keep up and interact in a world not designed for them except as addendums to what the "normal" average is. That's gotta be exponentially more annoying, right?
The most interesting thing about this episode is that the Melora character concept was originally proposed as a series regular. Glad they didn't go with that.
The first dud of season 2. Good intentions but yeah does not work.
One of the writers Evan Carlos Somers, is a paraplegic and uses a wheelchair. he drew heavily on his own experiences for this episode.
Based on what I've read he was not happy with the re-writes
A good Bashir episode mainly for flirting with another woman not named Jadzia. The Klingon restaurant looked really good, the food I mean.
This is the worst episode of the season. At least it's out of the way early.
My father has a physical disability, and he’s never enjoyed accepting help from anyone, but I think he has long been past the victim mentality that Melora shows in this episode. Bashir’s small spat with Melora is a real kick in the butt to people whose entire personality is feeling bad for themselves.
I did appreciate how they addressed that in the episode. One of my favorite things about Star Trek is when it feels like there was an honest attempt by the writers to present more than one angle on something, be it a political issue or a personal one, to show some nuance and let the audience feel however they're going to feel about it.
