UNCUT - Timescape (TNG S6E25) | Star Trek Journey 275

I love how effective Deanna gets to be throughout this episode, especially her quick thinking to save Geordi by removing the armband.

That ! was definately worth my AUD $ 9.00 bucks ..... thanks fellas !

I think the romulans got beamed over. The aliens did not take anyone over in my opinion, I think they were just able to make themselves look like them. Which is why Data knew right away.

The video froze during your discussion and I assumed it was a really well done bit for way too long

Have you guys seen The Picard Song yet? I honestly don't remember if there are season 7 spoilers in it, but one day you should watch it.

Data didn't understand thats what he meant. He missed the connotation of "help me with my research"

Picard tells them to beam Laforge directly to sickbay.

1. While you guys were talking Picard mentioned in voiceover they had successfully evacuated everyone from the Romulan ship. They meant the time contiuum was correct, I think the ship vanished because the temporal aperture was closed taking the ship with it. 2. This always bugged me watching this episode- LaForge is the first one to notice the out of place fake Romulan. Data should have noticed instantly. There would be no "wait a minute" he would see it just didn't match his previous visual record. This is one of the problems with a character so overpowered. A lot of stuff Data should just be able to do or figure out instantly.

yeah they just chatting was a great scene, showing how comfortable they were, make trek more real

You know, there's an idea... a Star Trek Seinfeld-style no plot sitcom? I'd watch that, even though I do love my classic plot-focused sci-fi Star Trek too.

I adore this episode but I have to turn off my "plot hole detector" because there are so many. It's a lot of fun, but trying to think too hard about things is just going to expose its flaws. The one thing I have a trouble waving away is Data says right away that the consoles can't be used, he has to just see what's currently there, and then immediately Picard uses the tactical station and is pressing buttons and they're beeping. Throughout the episode they're really inconsistent about it.

They caught all the deep cuts except Davidia Two... Must be Mark Twain PTSD

The episode was really quite hypnotic

The Warbird disappearing is kind of a major plothole. Sure you could say that they continue as if nothing happened because they prevented the events from ever happening, but why didn't it affect the Enterprise? And then the Captain's log mentions evacuating the Warbird right after? What Warbird? They didn't think that through.

In the lore, the Runabouts have a modular design, where the back sections can be swapped out to include more sleeping bunks, or a science lab, or extra cargo space, or whatever. In this episode, they apparently went with a middle section with four bunks (for the four people aboard) and a dining/conference room in the back. Which seems appropriate for a road trip to a science conference. But for other mission scenarios, the Runabout can be equipped with rear facilities appropriate to the mission. Also, Runabouts are in kind of a weird position in general. They're technically classified as the smallest type of spacecraft that Starfleet considers to be an actual Starship with its own name and registry number, as opposed to shuttles that might have their own names colloquially among the crew (like "Galileo 7") but are officially just "Enterprise Shuttle 4" or whatever. But despite being technically classified as Starships in their own right, the way Runabouts are used in practice is essentially as extra-badass shuttles. For example. that's why the Enterprise has one in this episode. But because they're actually Starships in their own right, that's why if you pay attention in DS9 you'll notice that the Runabouts all have unique names. Not just shuttle/runabout #3 or whatever.

This has always been one of my personal favourites - possibly my favourite of the series.

Brannon Braga just loves to blow up the Enterprise

Something is weird about Marina Sirtis’s accent in this episode. There are a couple of line deliveries in which she sounds like she is trying to do an American accent. Also, her headlights are on.

You can actually pick up on little things on a rewatch all the time, guys. I’ll forgot things or even pick up a tiny detail from episodes that I’ve seen many times now that I pay extra close attention with you guys. Example: I forgot this. You mentioned that Geordi modified those arm bands, which was cool but to be “never used again”. He does mention that the time shield around them will be like the one they used on Devidia II. From Time’s Arrow.

"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff." - doctor who So for me the cause of all space-time rupture was not the alien or the power beam. It was the warp core breach, which was caused by the alien attack, which has been caused by the power beam engery help, which has been caused due to the romulan singularity core power failure, cause by the aliens picking the wrong nest. Quite linear. Only the effect of the space-time rupture are already visible before the breach started linearly since, you know, wibbly wobbly space-time-continuum...

One nice thing about writing takes so far in advance: I get to laugh at my dumb jokes with Alex and Josh after forgetting I wrote them.

This is one of my S episodes. Don’t try to work out the science of it too much, I’m fairly certain most of it doesn’t make sense. Your take is absolutely spot on, this is classic Trek - putting awesome characters in a weird freaky situation and working out how to solve a seemingly impossible problem. The science probably doesn’t make sense but the mood totally sucks you in!

Also, Picard has his hand in the fruit bowl for like…a second? If time is going 50 times faster than normal can he grow finger nails that long in 50 seconds?

I think this is still a fun one on rewatch because of the expositional ending. You might forget how they get out of it because it’s not too memorable.

I personally really enjoy this episode, and have rewatched it many times. All the time effects (like the frozen ships) amazed younger me on first watch, and I think they still hold up pretty well today. And I just find the entire concept of a "timescape", super cool and engaging. But I think what really elevates this episode for me is the handling of the characters. The chemistry of the actors in that opening scene really projects a vibe of mutual respect and friendship that is great to see, a nice human moment as you guys mentioned. (The short opening scene with Riker and Dr. Crusher was nice too.) Also, Geordi, Troi, Data and Picard all get to use their knowledge and competence to contribute to the plot and help save the day. We even get some nice continuity callbacks to Face of the Enemy, and Time's Arrow. This is definitely a show that is still firing on all cylinders here.

Brett Spiner channeling his inner Stan Laurel...

I enjoy this episode despite its multitude of scientific absurdities.

They aren’t in a shuttle, they are in a runabout, which is technically a starship. But certain types of shuttles can go to warp. In DS9, the runabouts are named “USS Yangtze Kiang”, “USS Ganges”, etc whereas a shuttle would be referred to as “Shuttlecraft Galileo” as an example.

The opening scene with Picard, Data, Troi, & LaForge is great. It’s amazing to see how comfortable these actors were with each other at this point in the series.

This is one of my favorite Star Trek episodes. Any series. Never get tired of it.

a rare moment when the episode is good and the length of the vid is under 1 hour. Or did time play a part in this....

How the hell does Josh remember not just all the episode names but their numbers as well? I can't even remember what the episodes 2 weeks ago were

This is one of the Star Trek episodes that I always recollect when thinking "Star Trek". So because of that I place this as one of my top favorite episodes. And it has the iconic moment with the happy face and Picard's "hypnotic" performance.

With all the talk of runabouts vs shuttles. I think I figured out the best way to describe it. A shuttle is like a car where a runabout is like an RV. Similar principle, but a larger size & meant for long term travel where the smaller one is meant for short term travel

One of my 5 favourite episodes of TNG, not surprisingly my favourite of this Season. S

Picard was finally happy, again

This episode is very Brannon Braga for better and worse! Has some great off-duty discussions between the staff/some nice humour, but also a "high concept" plot that soon starts to collapse under its own high-conceptedness. Overall still very enjoyable though. I find Braga's writing in TNG and VOY to be pretty entertaining overall and he quite often does come off with absolute top tier bangers.

Generally speaking I say that with a scifi like Star Trek, the scifi elements are the canvas to tell basically any kind of story you like. Here however, the whole frozen/accelerated/sped up time gimmick IS the main draw, and it works pretty well IMO. I am left with a few questions about the beginning. If the runabout is moving, and passed into this pocket of frozen time, wouldn't they only be in it for a fraction of a second at the speeds the ship is going? Also wouldn't Troi have been the first one hit? I can kind of explain that away as maybe these bubbles of distorted time were moving in about the same speed and direction as the ship and "merged" into their flight path or something. The one that makes no sense though is Picard's hand. Time moving 50x as fast would mean for the few seconds his hand was in there maybe 3 minutes passed for his hand. Nowhere near enough for finger nails to grow like that. That's months to get to that. If time was really passing that fast for his hand, he would have pulled back a necrotic, decayed hand. From the perspective of his hand in that case, his heart is only beating(or the equivalent for his artificial heart) 3-5 times in those months, meaning nowhere near enough blood flow to keep the tissue alive. Kind of a grim thought. Still, Timescape is definitely a very fun example of an episode that makes the scifi the point as opposed to a tool of storytelling. Also the whole psychosis thing was 100% put in as an excuse to have Picard draw a smiley face in the core breach, which would have been very out of character otherwise. I give it an A for "ackshually, they're called runabouts"

My take isn't a yes or no that you'll see the back of the ship again, you'll find that out in time. It was just that we finally get to see the back after it has appeared in a good portion of s1, and it clearly had more than just the cockpit that has been shown. Also I wanted to say "roundabout."

Guys. You are saying "roundabout". That is incorrect. It is "runabout". Evidence: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Danube_class Excerpt from that site: "The Danube-class, also known as Runabout-class, was a type of Federation runabout in operation during the latter half of the 24th century. "

This is apropo of nothing but there’s a TNG series retrospective episode? Idk when it aired just before the final episode? But I was thinking you guys need to watch it when you get there. I know it was like the final episode on the “list” on Netflix. 🤷‍♂️

DS9 was out of money at this point. Production built the rear section of the roundabout on the TNG budget to try and help them out.

It's worth noting that directors on episodic TV have much less control over the product than film directors. They're not involved at all in the writing or editing, and in this era of Trek at least, they really weren't even allowed to change the dialogue - even minor changes required approval from the producers. (This apparently frustrated the actors at times, but for a show with a lot of technical dialogue, it makes sense that they didn't want stuff being rewritten on the fly.)

You guys know about Clone High?!?!? Just remember, the G spot rocks the G spot.

It's not a shuttle, it's a roundabout!

The shattering of space/time occurred not when the alien young went to "incubate" in the artificial singularity, it happened when the Enterprise initiated the power transfer. Something about the power surge to the singularity (which had been "infected" with creatures from another space/time) caused time to rupture.

The Warbird and Romulans didn't get "sent back to where they should've been"... Picard mentions that they'd finished evacuating the Romulan ship and transported the crew to a nearby Romulan outpost. Presumably they completed the evacuation before severing the power transfer. Severing the beam allowed the *alien babies* to return to their space/time continuum... and since they were essentially attached to the Romulan ship via their engine core, they took the evacuated ship with them, never to be seen again (hence the need to transport the crew to an outpost). If there were any Romulan crewmembers still on the ship, well... bye bye.

A little geek trivia here. Except for shuttle pods, most shuttles can go to warp. Top speed of a runabout is warp 5. Which is probably faster than a standard shuttle. According to the Enterprise walk through simulation called stage 9. The Enterprise keeps a runabout in the main shuttle bay which is the only bay big enough to hold it. The name on the runabout is USS OHIO. This now concludes my impersonation of commander Hutchinson. Thanks for the Sunday morning distraction guys.

I love this episode. And it has the first high-def roundabout!

Picard's impression of the boring professor early in this episode went on to be used as part of the famous "Picard Song" which you can find on youtube (it's made up of various clips from the show, best not to watch till you've finished TNG in case there are spoilers) and which you guys should definitely react to once TNG is finished.

love it. Thanks for another banger reaction. Happy 4th of July weekend.

As Alex was asking the question of what happened to all the Romulans on the Enterprise, the Captains log was explaining that they were traveling to the neutral zone to drop them off.

Star Trek TOS Wink of an Eye, from the other side.

There is a great marina Sirtis monologue about her costume and how her character got smarter when she had less cleavage and refers to this episode and how she is lecturing Data and Geordie about the artificial singularity of the warbird as if these two science minds wouldn’t know more about it than she does. Even comments about the green dress from earlier seasons and how horrible it is to get in and out of it if she needed to go to the restroom, it had to come off completely

Nice call back to FACE of the enemy

Just talking about bullshit. The future's answer to Seinfeld.

Alex, the enterprise is approximately 2000 feet long, the Romulan warbirds are approximately 4000 feet long. They are massive in comparison.

Ah the beauty of Star Trek, you can go from a beautifully done character story like Second Chances or Duet to high concept sci fi like Timescape. And I love them both!

With Duet being released I completely forgot this episode was next. Someone transport me home from work so I can watch this reaction!

That's a runabout from DS9 they're in! Not a shuttlepod/shuttlecraft. Runabouts are the smallest starships in Starfleet.

Sunday morning Star Trek with the Target Audience, Great way to start the day