UNCUT - If Wishes Were Horses (DS9 S1E16) | Star Trek Journey 269

DS9 sex scoreboard catch up version No scores that I saw (remember I am only catching up with the short versions) The sex score board Chief 1 Keiko 1 Quark 1 DETAILS: Well let’s start with Bashir. Maybe 2? We do only count playing doctor during the ep. Do the Jr LT shake and bake and the Betazoid envoy exchange of ideas actual scores. We have to make the call no. They were (if they happened) not during the ep. And a missed one with wannadax or is she called fadax

I always enjoyed this one. its light and amusing. I realise a lot of people seem to hate it but personally this i find this way more entertaining than The Storyteller which I find irritating.

I'm a little confused by, at the end. you guys mentioning wishing O'Brien had responded to Rumpelstiltskin's offer before Sisko chimed in. But he did? He was already dismissing it as fantasy nonsense when Sisko responded? Maybe it seemed otherwise because Rumpelstiltskin just kept asking if he wanted it?

This is my first rewatch of DS9 after watching when it was new back in the 90’s. I have no recollection of seeing this episode before so it was a bit of thrill watching because it was new to me.

I can hardly believe this is a DS9 episode

Sorry guys but I fell asleep during this reaction. I still haven’t seen this episode all the way through

Eh. Meh. Derp? lul.

This is one of those episodes that is hard to really define. It's got some neat stuff but is a bit hokey as well. It's about as generic of a 'Low C/High D' sort of episode that ever was.

Stick with it guys. Season 1 may have more downs than ups but it sets the scene well for what is coming.

This was very Star Trek in it had a science fiction explanation, and it was exploring aliens attempting to communicate. I enjoyed it. Not the best, and probably a C+. I rewatched it recently. I’d forgotten all about it, and I liked it better than I expected. I do think this was a showcase for Terry Farrell who can indeed act. This is not the last weak episode but we start getting more solid ones.

I liked this episode a lot more than I thought I did wow.

My imagination would be filthy... An infinite buffet of Ribeyes, Burgers and Pie that, after eating, vanishes from my stomach. This would be the best couple days of my life.

If wishes were horses this episode would ride...

I thought you guys might lay into this episode a bit more, so I’m glad you were able to have some laughs and go easy on it. At the end of the day, you can only watch an episode for the first time, once. A day watching silly Star Trek is still a good day 😁. You can now see the light at the end of the tunnel. You’ll still have some C’s & D’s in your journey here, but at least you won’t be drowning in “C-Soup” as you put it. 😉

Yep, last clunker for me as well. No, really!

For my first watch, I think I was on the same wavelength as Josh and Alex. It was just fine. A mix of boring stretches and good bits, and then had a good reveal & ending. Overall, an okay episode. It does seem similar in spirit to TNG 1x06 with the manifested thoughts.

Off topic but another great Colm Meaney show is the western Hell On Wheels

I just imagined Alex and Josh making Captain's Holiday and Qpid their top two episodes.

The cut off just before Josh said, "my wife."

By far the best of DS9's run of goofy season 1 episodes. I'd even be inclined to defend it as better than a C if it wasn't for that deadly slab of technobabble that sinks the climax. But yeah, plenty of good character moments given to just about all the cast make it a far more worthwhile watch than The Passenger or The Storyteller or Move Along Home. It leaves you feeling like you understand this ensemble and their values a little better - important season 1 table setting that almost redeems the clumsy plotting.

The sad fact is a couple years after the end of DS9 Colm Meaney played a Leprechaun in a TV mini series. I felt bad for him knowing how he felt about that particular stereotype.

I think it's Derry Ireland close to where Obrien is from rather than Maine

No one mentioned the clear implication that Quark’s two lady friends are the two ostriches…

The last of the DS9 season 1 episodes that I have been dreading to re-watch.

Second worst episode of DS9 behind Move Along Home. Thank god you are done with both.

This is the last of what i term the 'unholy trilogy' of bad season 1 episodes, alongside Move Along Home and The Storyteller. Of the three I think it's the most sucessful, but it still really would have been more at home on say TNG.

As far as people saying "this is where the bad episodes end" of course that depends on taste.

It's not the trolley question. That's between one person and three people. This is "everybody including your daughter dies" or "everyone lives but I take your daughter" with whatever consequences that entails for her. This is an unpleasant but straightforward ethical calculus.

the hypothetical choice Miles was facing at the time though was give up your daughter, or everyone on DS9 or Bajor dies, INCLUDING your daughter. IF that was the actual only option, O'Brien as a starfleet officer would have to at least do the moral calculus. If there really is no way to save his daughter, then the better option is saving everyone else because his daughter dies either way. In that actual scenario, Molly going with Rumpelstilskin would at least be alive whereas if the anomaly kept expanding she would be dead. Of course that wasn't the only option.

I think the guy who was critical of the "horny Dax" fantasy meant that that version of her was basically reduced to a women in lust as opposed to any aspect of Dax's personality that would attract Bashir. Yes, this is how Bashir has been characterized at this point. When Sisko says "How is our young doctor?" Dax answers "young." He's clearly in his "Player" phase, which is very different from what we've seen in Trek. Sure, Riker, but Bashir seems younger about it. His phony "isn't it cute how over the top I'm being though obviously insincere" schitck just feels a bit "younger". We don't usually see this from starfleet characters. Yes, a young recently graduated starfleet doctor would probably be a magnet for the ladies and Bashir takes full advantage. At this point, Bashir doesn't really know Dax. It's her looks and her general aura he's into. The fantasy makes sense because yeah, at this point, Bashir isn't "really" in love with her, just a mild infatuation maybe with a lot of lust and a lot of the "I can get most girls now" vibe. Like the kind of dude who when he was younger was not very successful with women and all of a sudden finds he has a ton of "social capital" and is still taking full advantage. He's 27, not THAT young. But definitely that "I was a nerd and all of a sudden I'm a hottie" vibe. Bashir does develop beyond this slightly comedic role, but it is kind of nice to have a sort of "realistically flawed" character. In general, DS9 deals with complex flawed characters much more then TNG where it's kind of the best of the best of humanity or the Federation

They do get away from the "will the station blow up" plots after season 1. Very much what people talk about when they say season 1 is much weaker than the rest of the series.

The "cold fish" was just a joke, because it's Julian's imaginary version. She's "cold" because she doesn't go for Julian's routine. She is certainly reserved at times, but we've seen hints of personality. Also, keep in mind she's only had the symbiont for a bit over a year at this point. One could imagine she's still in the process of integrating all the personalities. Jadzia seems like an introvert, but Curzon was clearly an extrovert. So maybe they felt like they had time to develop Dax since she was so many people in one and would still be for herself figuring out who she is.

It definitely took them awhile to figure out Dax's character. To be fair, it's hard character to showcase because there are so many layers. Jadzia plus the influence of all these other personalities. I imagine such a person would actually be hard to pin down or get a quick read on. But so far we've mostly just seen her in the role of generic science officer/sex symbol. I do see her character developing very slowly, but I also know where the character ends up. So nothing I've seen so far feels like it's not Dax. It's just that we've only seen so much of her and haven't really gotten much beyond the surface.

As I'm sure people will mention, it was originally supposed to be a leprachaun instead of Rumpelstilskin but Colm Meaney objected because for Irish actors its apparently an offensive stereotype. The actress who played Molly was legitimately terrified of the Rumperlstillskin character in costume and was afraid he was the real deal and going to steal her. The genesis of this episode was the idea of a baseball player following jake/ben off the holodeck. It bears resemblances to the TOS episode "Shore Leave" and the TNG episode "Where No One Has Gone Before". A very campy episode. DS9' early experiments with camp were tonally weird because the show hadn't fully estab;ished what it was yet. Later attempts blend the different threads and tones more smoothly as the show was again, freed from studio interference and recylced TNG scripts and really allowed to find its own voice without having to be "TNG lite" to draw in the new viewers.

The ship model was a Daedalus class, according to the Starfleet technical manual that was out at the time, Starfleet's first warp capable ship design. Like how we see the insight from Sisko. To me, this sort of thing was why he was chosen as emmissary.

Is it just me or did the resolution on this video seem a little fuzzier then usual?

You hit the nail on the head with the two Jadzias. What an awful season this is for Dax! I didn’t remember how much of a nonentity she was this early.

Middling one for me. But I swear, the season finishes strong!

Star Trek: Deep Shit 9 strikes again. 😴

Emus aren't that dangerous. If it was a Cassowary, then you'd be in trouble!

I remembered this one being way worse than it actually is. It actually has some nice character moments and funny scenes. Unfortunately, a lot of those moments are surrounded with dull, though not terrible, scenes. Missing scene for me is the O'Brien's walking back to their quarters with Keiko yelling at Miles about whether or not he was going to give them up

Fear not. This is DS9 season 1. Even the biggest fans of this show (including me) cringe at this season. (Just recall TNG season 1). The show becomes unrecognizable from this season, in the best possible way. Don't let this season discourage you, because what will come especially season 3 onwards is not only the best Trek in MY opinion, but some of the best television I have ever seen. And even I dislike most of this season. I predict that this show will eventually surpass even TNG for ya, but we'll see. :) I can say this spoiler-free: Whenever I binge this show (as I have many times), I always start from the season 2 finale and I ignore this earlier stuff.

This was kind of dull. I just wish if you are doing story where whatever you think of materializes, that the crew at least have the decency to think of interesting things. "Shore Leave" > this.

As much as the Chief loves his daughter, he's a low-level Starfleet officer who's probably waiting for some kind of cue from his commander because there are so many other lives at stake. He's probably also wondering how much of what he sees is real at that point, including Keiko and Molly.

Oh, my friends -- don't let a minute or two of technobabble ever ruin an episode for you. I wasn't watching with you when you went through Season One of TNG, but I'm a little surprised at how much you're expecting from DS9 right off the bat since I've heard you say that you enjoyed S1 of TNG. That one had space jellyfish, a complete TOS knockoff, racist planet, Ferengi close-ups, Wesley smashing flowers and getting a death sentence, more Ferengi with a mind-control ball, and generally stiff, uninteresting acting ... and that's just in the first few episodes. It's tough when a sister show has developed so much and there are inevitable comparisons, especially when watching them both at the same time in release order. My guess is that years from now, you'd be unable to stomach TNG S1 and be a lot more forgiving to DS9 S1. That's how it has worked for me in retrospect. This is one of those DS9 episodes that I dread or skip altogether when I see the title and thumbnail, but it was quite a bit better than I remembered on this rewatch.

I once commented on one of your early (Youtube?) videos (definitely before I joined you on Patreon), my fear that you might not continue with the ENTIRE franchise. I deliberately said, "If wishes were horses..."

"Derry, Maine?" I'd wager County Derry, Ireland 😂

There are people who really hate this one, but I think it's goofy fun and endearing with great little moments. They were clearly still trying to figure out the tone of the show. It's not good compared to the banger stories to come, but I don't think it's as boring or annoying as some of the eps we've had so far.

There's more to like in this episode than I remembered, but it's still one of the worst of the season for me. Thanks for the reaction!

An example of long continuity, in this episode in the TNG episode The Big Goodbye. Data mentioned that Joe DiMagio's no hit record stands until it's broken by a player for the London Kings. He was referring to Buck Bokai.

There’s a lot of nice little moments in this one which make it watchable but as a whole it doesn’t quite gel. Sisko and Bokai, the dual Dax’s and every Odo scene are fun moments.

The actor who plays Rumplestiltskin is Michael J. Anderson who is well known for playing Samson on Carnivale. I was wondering if you guys would consider watching the Carnivale series. It's not sci-fi but it's good and weird. :)

The model next to Dax in Sisco's conference room at 26:54 a and towards the end of the episode is a replica of what was almost an model of the original Enterprise for TOS before Matt Jeffries came up with the familiar disk model.

Emus and ostriches are really dangerous with their feet-- they kick hard. They must have had a very good handler.