PATRON TAKES - DS9 S1E17
TAKES WILL BE READ 6/17
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I liked this episode. I don’t think it’s a S Noren a it’s probably a good solid sea. Really a case of best use of luoxaana Troi
As a dumb child, this is the episode that made me take a step back and rethink everything ... was L'waxana Troi actually an amazing character?? Yes, yes she is. And she always was. I went from hating every episode she was in to loving them all.
Another, "let's bring TNG guest stars to DS9" episode. I think Lwaxana works better than Q in this environment, but I predict y'all will like her less. YMMV
More season 1 growing pains. For me Lwaxana is a blight.
Favorite Lwaxana Star Trek episode <3 Amazing moments by Majel Barrett and she was drop dead gorgeous in this at 61 years old.
I think this has one of Lwaxana’s best moments. She finally lets her façade slip, and shows Odo who she really is. She barely even did that with her daughter!
Half A Life was arguably the first episode where Lwaxana started to drop the mask and they clearly continued in that direction here. I think pairing her up with Odo here works well because one is an introvert and the other an extrovert, and they're both forced to meet in the middle.
Ah, the episode where the most extroverted character in Star Trek falls for the most introverted, Sisko gets a perverse enjoyment in saddling his most junior officer with insufferable ambassadors as he once was, and O'Brien has a lovers spat with the computer and somehow adopts a Giga Pet in the process.
Getting trapped in the elevator’s a cliche but it works thanks to some great performances as the writers using Odo & Lwaxanna to bring out new aspects of each other. Probably the best of the s1 “TNG Lite” episodes.
Ultimate opposites attract episode. Who would have thought. B
Lwaxana and Odo really save this one. Yes, it revisits a bit her more serious episode in TNG with David Ogden Stiers, but the fact he interaction is actual character building with one of our main characters makes it work even better here I think.
The scene in the turbolift is one of my favourite Lwaxana moments. I love how vulnerable they both are with each other.
"lets do a crossover episode and add some charakter background information" - "ok" - "Odo has not been featured in a while" - "ok" - brainstorming meeting for season 1
I don't think this is a very good episode overall, but the scenes with Odo and Lwaxana in the turbolift are great. The O'Brien and Bashir subplots are completely forgettable.
I am sorry you all but I can only take so much Lwaxana
In this case I disagree. Sure she starts off annoying but by the end I feel she evolves as a character into something more by being vulnerable to Odo. Btw… tough 7 game stretch. Time to start a winning streak against the White Sox.
“I turn into liquid every 16 hours.” “I can swim.” The horniest line they could get away with on TV.
This is my second favorite episode of S1. Out of nowhere, the most unthinkable crossover character helps us get the best characterization and backstory of Odo we could have asked for. The following exchange is worth the price of admission alone (courtesy of Memory Alpha): "No one's ever seen me like this." "Why? It looks fine." "It looks ordinary. I've never cared to be ordinary. So you see, Odo, even we non-shapeshifters have to change who we are once in a while." "You are not at all what I expected." "No one's ever paid me a greater compliment." Also, great B story with Julian and the ambassadors and a nice, creative C-Story involving the computer.
Lwaxana strikes again, this time with Odo. My rewrite would be if Odo contacted Picard and asked advice on dealing with Lwaxana Troi.
Why did we need Lwaxana Troi in DS9? 🤔
Why did we need Lwaxana, full stop?
Chief is a true Cesar Millan of Starfleet engineers. As for Lwaxana this is a top 3 episode of her's in my opinion.
Picard can breathe a sigh of relief, she has her eye on someone new. I almost always love her appearances A
Damn I really need me a mommy to let me goo in her dress
A clever subversion of expectations that Luwaxana is introduced in her classic "man hunting" mode, and instead we get a really heartwarming story about her and Odo. The other plot is forgettable, I consider this the Luwaxana/Odo episode. Odo is maybe the one person on the station who can't relate to anyone and is so closed off to everyone. Him finding a confidant in Luwaxana is unexpected but it works so well. That makes this otherwise unremarkable episode worth it for me.
Lwaxana and Odo, stuck on an elevator. He doesn't eat. So she must drop her mask. Why? To make him feel better? No. It's because after hours trapped on an elevator, she's gotta fart and there's no one else to blame that hot box on.
Odo and Lwaxana genuinely opening up to each other? Beautiful. Bashir babysitting asshole admirals. Sure. The space station being a puppy. What are we doing here?
This episode is both awful because it has Lwaxana and good because it has Lwaxana, somehow simultaneously.
Is....is this the best Lwaxana has ever been? .....no, Half a Life still happened so maybe not but wow
I know this is controversial but I actually adore Lwaxana. She reminds me of my uncle who was a professional drag queen and performer for years. Think Nathan Lane in the Birdcage. She comes on strong and may be annoying at times, but she is deeply caring and has a surprising amount of wisdom to share if you get past her seeming shallowness.
This and "Half a Life" are both contender for best Lwaxana episode. The Odo-Lwaxana scenes are so good, I couldn't care less if Bashir burned to a crisp.
O'Brien saves the day
What’s this? Lwxanna getting a touching storyline on DS9 rather than TNG? It’s another “it’s fine” episode. Definitely not bad and tho nothing great I do like this a lot of some of the mid season episodes.
I guess racial profiling for a crime works🙈 Odo the Fascist returns!
I feel like with Odo it's more than just simple racial profiling. He's a keen observer, so other things like behavior and facial expressions play a big role as well, so it's not just as simple as "He's Ferengi, therefore he must be guilty!"
Luaxana really shows how kind she can be in this episode. Also funny like when she tells Odo that she can swim.
Episode synopsis: “Lwaxa–” E tier.
Oh stop, if the Odo/Lwaxana interaction doesn't get you then you have no heart.
I don't really care overall for this RP but this is most likely my favorite lwaxana episode
I like this “ using Lwaxana to teach us about Odo” it’s a good tool it’s kind of a quirky episode but I like it.
Lwaxana and Odo work together as a pair of misfits, and I like both a lot in this episode. I was so glad to see my second favourite Betazoid again! Making a pet of an alien AI is a cool idea, though I wonder if you guys think it will show up again and how? Do you reckon this will become a disembodied machine intelligence character? Or is it destined to be ignored in the future? What do you think will happen?
I can only echo the others praising the Lwaxana/Odo stuff. The rest is pretty forgettable.
"Have you thought of letting her catch you?" Based Sisko take and proof that he and Picard are REALLY different.
Should have asked Picard for the glass brick containing Prof Moriarty and moved the malware alien over to torment him.
Lwaxana steals the show, and I love how they were able to explore her character and have her stand on her own without having to interact with and foil Deanna.
A highly underrated S1 episode. Odo and Lwaxana have something rarely seen: chemistry. Sure the “stuck in an elevator” routine is a little cliche, but it gives us one of the greatest Lwaxana scenes ever. The moment when she shows Odo her wig shows her strength: it takes real courage to show people your ordinary self. Giving this one an unpopular “A” for “a lap to melt into”
I would argue that it's precisely BECAUSE of Lwaxana that it is an enjoyable story. When Odo lets go and turns into ooze in her lap, I just can't see that moment hitting with simply any random guest star of the week.
Odo and Lwaxana have better chemistry than I would have expected. For me this one is alright.
I always start this one thinking, "boooooo" and end up at "ooooo maybe it's pretty good." Lwaxana's GOATed return, with the same tour de force kind of impact as Half a Life, and God damn is that the kind of unexpected friendship Odo needs. And look at Bashir grow!
The B plot with Odo and Lwaxana is the high point here, even if you roll your eyes initially. It's a clichéd set up, but we get some character building and lore for Odo and one of Lwaxana's most open and frank storylines across both series. Can't save an otherwise bland episode though.
I do like this episode. Probably the best Lwaxana episode there is. I also really like the b-story where Bashir has to chaperone the entitled Ambassadors. This is a realistic thing that happens in the military... tedious and annoying little jobs that occasionally have to be done... and usually by the least-popular of personnel.
Lwaxana is back but by the end of this one do we start to think she’s just incredibly lonely and actually just wants to be loved by someone, she shows again she’s very compassionate when someone is in their most vulnerable state, In this instance Odo as he has to return to his natural state and be at his weakest when he only ever shows strength and confidence