PATRON TAKES - TNG S6E23

At this point in the series when I watched it for the first time I really wasn’t digging the cling on universe expansion then this episode hit and I suddenly actually cared about the cling on universe, To which I would like to make a Star Trek series that I jokingly call a soap opera mostly because I wanna have cling on opera in it but nothing to do with dancing and singing detergent. I wanna start it with KaylessS as one chapter maybe the pilot movie of the series and then I wanna move up through TOS and or the pre-history and cover the eras in between and make it all one coherent story focused on the Klingons and have it be a Soap opera style of story in the sense that there’s all the sex betrayal backstabbing manipulation Romulans in the background Federation in the foreground. I think it could be interesting. I’d love to explore the clingon culture more since this episode hit.

A few weeks after the space pope died, space Jesus arose from the dead

And in the sixth season, he is risen!

Another of my Top 10 favorites! I have never been overtly religious…but I took a lot away from this episode. Let’s be real…the idea of Kahless is subbing for Jesus Christ. What would happen if He were to return? And by scientific means? And how would the faithful and unfaithful react to this? What an amazing concept to ponder. And, again, Star Trek does it best through allegory. The end speech by Kahless to Worf…”So long as we follow His teachings, what does it matter if the man returns?” Amazing stuff. And very spiritually deep. An easy S-Tier for me.

Did you guys see New Kahless's origin story coming??

This is an odd one, Skipper!

TNG continues to struggle with religion themed episodes. Not bad in itself but can't hold a candle to the high quality we've come to expect from Klingons. I.e. Redemption, Reunion, etc.

Kahless the Unimpressive. Neat idea for an episode, and one that really nails how Klingon culture has kind of devolved, but the actor cast as Kahless really does not sell me on the character. Still, decent all around. C+

A good Klingon mythology episode. I found myself siding with Gowron through most of it, which is a fun switch from the norm.

Worf Lore Galore

This episode would have worked a lot better if they found someone who could sell "greatest warrior in klingon history", instead of your potbellied uncle who spends too much time at the bar and can kinda throw down in a pinch.

What would you do if say... Lenard Nimoy came back, but you found out he was a clone with 'alot' of the original's memories. Would you accept him as Lenard? or deny him!

Overall I like this episode. 🤷‍♂️

This is Worf's crisis of faith mixed with Klingon Jurassic Park. They found some amber with Kahless's DNA and apparently mixed in some frog DNA, making him short and not able to fight. But seriously, I give this a B because is a solid Klingon episode, but not one of the best. Do you think Worf's suggestion was a reasonable compromise? Would you want to see this storyline continued in the future?

I like the Klingon lore episodes. But it can't keep up with the really high quality of season 6 and somehow feels like an early Klingon story.

Guest starring Gowron's eyes...and Gowron too I guess.

I'm borderline on this one. It's certainly not Worf's best one. I don't dislike it, but i have trouble deciding if it falls into B or C. I suppose even questioning that means i should give it a C. I think Gowron's eyes might just make it a B.

I have mixed feelings on this episode. It’s a good story, but I definitely wasn’t sold on Kahless.

He's back! And Kahless is here too, I guess. 👀 Quite different from how he looked in TOS's "The Savage Curtain" too.

Ronald D Moore continues to be the GOAT at worldbuilding

This episode continues the trend that started sometime in S3 that while TNG doesn't have a lot of continuity or deep worldbuilding, it does seem to like to do these things with Klingons. The best part of this episode is the return yet again of Gowron, because whether or not you like Gowron, it's great to see a side character like this who keeps coming back. It makes the world feel more real.

This.... isn't bad i don't think. But it is a weird one

THAT is Kahless the Unforgettable?! Sorry, but I'm with Gowron.

We're supposed to believe that a Kahless that can't fight would survive five minutes in the Empire? This is a passable story that gets elevated by the outstanding acting. Plus we get Skeletor as a Klingon (Korath).

Ah Worf, once again changing the direction of the Klingon empire! I like this one, a solid episode that’s well told

How do you feel about TNG’s sober and critical stance on religion so far? First, the Mintakans, now the Klingons.

Good episode only one silly critique. To paraphrase princess Leia isn't Kahless a bit short for a Klingon?

This episode contains big time jumps - relative to other episodes - to denote the passage of time and character evolution. Should Trek continue using this story device?

What does it say about Klingons that they would accept this Nietzschean view of their religion, as a simple tool to promote unity and nothing more? This episode shows us the importance of taking a leap of faith, then tosses that faith in a dumpster fire. In Christianity and Islam, a false messiah (antichrist) is said to return during end times and take up a position of power, and that’s what the Klingons now have. The conclusion to this episode really makes me cringe.

I love this episode, it’s some good stakes for a good group of characters! Cementing Klingons as TNG best side dish? Thoughts ?

Interesting concept and good Worf and Gowron stuff, but not as good to watch a second time once you know what's going on. Makes me imagine what it would be like if they did that with Jesus.

I personally think this is one of the weaker Klingon episodes. Gowron and Worf are good. The story itself doesn't do anything for me. Maybe this is a nitpick but I really think they could have done better with the casting. Kahless is supposed to be the greatest warrior in Klingon history. I think he should at least look the part. This guy looks like some random Klingon you'd see getting shit-faced in Quark's bar. It's just a C tier for me.

One of the better Worf and Klingon episodes, though I did feel like if you're gonna clone Kahless, you might as well also clone in some top-notch fighting skills… Nonetheless, I enjoyed this episode when I first watched it, and still do. And who doesn't love an excuse to see more of Gowron in TNG? :-D

This episode elevated Gowron in my eyes. I like how smart, cunning, and practical it makes him. Klingon politics is fascinating to me, especially how their religion is intertwined with it.

I do like this one and the questions it asks, but I can't help but feel that neither Worf nor Gowron (nor most Klingons) would be happy with the half measure solution of a 'fake' Kahless acting as their spiritual leader.

This is a particularly potent episode and one of Worf's best. The allegory, of course, is using the Shroud of Turin or the Spear of Destiny to clone Jesus Christ. Seeing Worf weep, even for a second, is powerful stuff.