UNCUT - The Passenger (DS9 S1E9) | Star Trek Journey 256

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Bashir's acting in this one is painful to watch!

Prime Directive says we can't interfere in how other cultures deal with their prisoners. Kajada waited to make sure Vantika was firmly back in her custody before vaporizing him. Starfleet had no jurisdiction

Thankfully, Dr. Bashir has better much days ahead of him!

The whole “don’t call me Constable” is out the blue and doesn’t really make any sense. A constable is a police officer, a cop. In the United Kingdom, it’s a rank in the civil police departments. A regular constable might be the very lowest rank but a chief constable might be the very highest rank. In between there are sergeants, inspectors, superintendents, etc. There’s really no reason for Odo to be offended unless in Bajoran culture the term “constable” has some negative connotations that we aren’t aware of. It it could be that he is just being finicky about being called by his “official” title because he perceives a threat to his authority from Starfleet.

From the few episodes I had seen before Odo was my fave and so far he is still my fave. Glad you also like him. :)

This episode was bizarre in that we haven't been shown much about Bashir and then we are given a good/evil Bashir posession plot....doesn't make much sense in an early season

I keep hearing vintage prog era YES playing in my head when they say "Roundabout"

I found it interesting that in citing her medical research on the phenomenon, Dax discusses the medicalbabble behind Spock transferring his Katra to McCoy in TWOK.

My first time watching and I fell asleep half way though. Had to finish it today. Still... S01 of DS9 is already waaay better than S01 of TNG.

"Hopefully it's the worst one of the season" (°_ ° )' '( ° _°) ... well, if it's any consolation the best is still yet to come

I don’t find this episode or the acting so offensive. It’s just forgettable. I didn’t remember that evil Bashir scene at all. And if the comments here didn’t point it out, I wouldn’t have recognized Siddig’s voice when he ambushed Quark. Even knowing, I had to focus to hear it. But that’s just me. I miss things if they’re not spelled out. I’d give this a C.

That's it! I'm calling them roundabouts from now on <3 I am definitely a departure from the norm on this one. I like it. And I'm not all that objective because I think I have a girl-crush on Kajada. Her features are stunning with the makeup and I love the sound of her voice. She's driven, but a little obsessed burying the knife in Vantica's corpse, lol. But my god, there is so much cringe. Usually I'm hiding when it comes to cringe but knowing how good Siddig is as an actor (oof, Kajada has some cringe too) he must have wanted to crawl under a rock after this. Love the Odo/Primmin/Quark scenes and Vantica's unconventional methods of hacking computers. I'm fond of the story and techno-babble too.

I was going to skip it...but I watched through the gaps between my fingers. Yikes.

The transporter effect on DS9 is Cardassian, since they're on a Cardassian space station using their technology. It's similar to Klingon transporter effect. Federation still has the bluish/white transporter effect variations.

I always hated this episode, Bashirs takeon the villian is awful, ths and the next are dogs but the rest of the season is pretty darn good

You may not have liked this episode, but the next one -- it's one of the best!!

thankfully as you guys have heard, after season one clunkers like this this become extremely rare. Apparently DS9 was given some plots written for TNG that were rejected. This seems like probably one of those. How much better would it have been if Vantika was Beverly Crusher?

As far as the ethics question, the alien race has jurisdiction here. They turned "the prisoner" over to her custody. Also, as it was just a series of neural patterns, in order to "try him" they would have had to out those neural patterns inside another person. Based on what the pursuing officer said, this person is a serial killer and terrorist. I don't think criminals can ask for amnesty based on facing the death penalty, and he obviously couldn't ask for amnesty. In a sense, he was already dead. There was a series of neural patterns that in theory could have been uploaded to take control of another person, but it seems like counting that as a living person is ethically dubious in and of itself. This episode was ok but for me lost it when Bashir was revealed. The acting was terrible. Another issue is that when he grabs Quark, you can hear his voice and briefly see his face. Shouldn't Odo have been watching Quark? She wasn't wrong that Quark would be involved and it seems very plot convenient Quark found a time he was under surveillance to meet with the mercenaries, just as the woman went to surveil him and Bashir was there as well with no monitoring. Definitely a weaker episode. Also "humanoids don't use all of their brains" sounds like the urban legend "we only use ten percent of our brain" which is a popular myth likely originating from a mix of ideas. 1. People saying most people only live up to ten percent of their potential. 2. Most of the brain is glial cells which are support structures as opposed to neurons (which it turns out actually do play a complex role in cognition 3. The idea that at any given point only a certain percentage of neurons are "active"- but all neurons being active would mean a seizure, not that some unused potential is being untapped. it's annoying for a show that tries to get the science right to perpetuate a popular myth. This is another example of why I think they will hate Voyager. They talk about boring "technobabble" but at least technobabble so far actually tries to make some sort of sense and can be followed logically, as opposed to Voyager style "make up sciency sounding words and make this key to solving the plot." I remember commercials for Voyager reruns were sort of making fun of Voyager's technobabble. Point being, if it bothers you here, you will loathe it on Voyager. Again, coming from a different perspective in watching these, I wasn't ever aware that "ADR" was a thing. And the mini ships are "runabouts" as in " go on a runabout"

The thing about DS9 season one, and season two for that matter, is that I remember the good / great episodes and the really bad ones, but this one I don’t remember at all 32 years later.

Yeah, this and the next....meh but still some good one's to finish off the season.

I have seen DS9 many times. I did not remember this episode existing, or anything in it.

Runabouts lol, all named after Rivers.

runabouts

Jonathan Franks would also refer to the show as “deep throat 9” at conventions. I certainly hope it was all in fun.

I think the shuttles are called "ReachAbouts"

I think this is pretty typical of the type of episode people think of when they think back on Season 1 without having watched it in a while. Then you go back and rewatch Emissary or Captive Pursuit and some of the others and go 'oh, yeah, there's actually some pretty good stuff in here.' Unfortunately, this one ain't so good.

The thing about people's opinion of DS9 season 1 is this: There are spectacular episodes of season 1 that can stand with the rest of DS9, there;s the rest of DS9, and there's the rest of DS9 season 1. In my opinion, DS9 has the strongest 1st season of a Trek series, but it is still, by far, its weakest season. So when folks come back to it, they come back for those stand out episodes, and the skewed perspective of having seen the rest of the series makes the rest of season 1 seem a lot worse than an actually is. I used to have that view too, until I actually succeeded in having several people watch DS9 for the first time and seeing how much they all really enjoyed season 1.

Just to expand on the idea of the word constable, I believe it’s from the Latin root word Come stabuli literally translates to count of the stable or attendant to the stables. and is used as a law-enforcement term starting throughout the middle ages we see the use of the word cop in daily modern life, but it breaks down to constable on patrol, and Today is regarded as the lowest law-enforcement position on the law enforcement career tree.

Interesting that they read Avery Brooks as flat. I read him as restrained. Like, it's fine with me that he holds it back until the key moments. He can play it big when called for but seems hard to fluster in exactly the way you'd want on DS9 with its charged political climate. I can't imagine a Kirk type personality there.

It's season one. Nothing new about that.

Not for the first time my opinion differs slightly from the majority, it's B for me, i really enjoy it. The first time I watched it i did guess the twist with Julian. A few Seasons ago in TNG the guy who plays Primm was briefly seen as an Engineer, i don't know if it was meant to be the same character who had moved to a different department, but obviously he still wore a gold uniform then.

I think C is a fair grade.

Josh: "Hopefully its the worst one of the season." All Subcribers: *wince*

Zzzzzzzzzz. Jesus, I forgot how bad this was. Bad ADR or not, I imagine a conversation behind the scenes going like this: Siddig: Avery, could you give me acting pointers on how I should play evil Vantika? Avery: Just. Do. What. I. Would. Do. And. As. Blandly. As. I. Would. Do. It. 😂

I like the passing reference to ST3. "Synaptic pattern displacement," Bashir mentioned, but never done by a non-Vulcan.

"Hopefully this is the worst one this season." Is there a "sideyes" emoticon....? This episode is C-tier for me. Good premise, nice twist, and the stuff with Odo, Sisko, and Starfleet Security guy was great, but the rest was a bit hammy and the performances did not feel authentic.

Regarding the question of whether Sisko's reaction to the woman destroying the remaining bit of the criminal, I think Picard might have asked her to reconsider it but not tried to stop her otherwise, as it would be a matter internal to her government, and Picard almost certainly would have reminded Riker or whoever was next to him that interfering would violate the Prime Directive.

I don't know if it was intentional, but at one point when Julian/Vantika was talking on the communicator he said "Bashir out", but he pronounced it BASH-ir instead of Ba-SHIR. Wonder if that was meant to convey he wasn't familiar with how it's pronounced, or just an early days mistake on the actors part. Probably the latter given Sisko said it the same way AND Vantika know his access codes and such, so he should damn well know his name. Once you know the twist you can easily tell it's Julian's voice whispering menacingly to Quark though. Anyway, you guys don't have to defend your position, this one is pretty trash. In fact I'm giving it a D. Siddig's performance is probably his worst on the series, and at this point it's at the "so bad it's good" level for me. Just don't find the plot interesting. Is it the worst of season 1? For me probably yes, but your mileage may vary. Not much else to add. Your discussion pretty much nailed what little good there was as well as the bad.

"Hopefully it's the worst one of the season". oh boy...

Came to see how many dweebs said "runabouts" and will not be leaving disappointed.

Yeah, I always found this one just boring. Our good doctor doesn't have the talent to pull off the "evil entity controlling me" Star Trek trope. He can be a good actor in this series, but it's not really working with this one.

Have you tried.. not checking out?

This was one of my favorites from season one. I really liked when the doctor hammed it up with the evil. I don't get people's problem with this.

Constable is just a nickname Kira gave Odo, not a rank. Odo is head of security and is not a part of the Bajorian militia or Star fleet so he does not have a military rank.

Yeah totally forgot how bad the acting gets in this episode 🤣

I know we are just getting into DS9, but oh I cannot wait until you get to Season 4 episode 2. It absolutely destroyed me. It's one of my favorites from this series.

Runabouts, not "round-a-bouts" you freakin' APES...

The actors of each different show were relatively friendly and professional with each other in the paramount backlot and speak highly of one another on various media platforms to this day.

I'm going to start calling the ships Roundabouts now and I'll be thinking of the band Yes when I do it.

Trek by numbers for me it’s not bad but it does have some bizarre acting choices from Siddig el Fadil Wonder what Colm Meaney was filming during this and Dax 🤪

RUNABOUTS!! Roundabouts 😂