YOUTUBE - Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country | Movie Reaction

Those comments on YT make for entertaining reading. XD

As someone who grew up on TOS, loved it, and didn't care for the TNG era until looooong after it aired, I find it refreshing to hear a dissenting opinion on this movie and the series as a whole. As an old-head I do love the even numbered films the most but I think Alex and Josh have salient points for their critique of this film. I don't agree 100% but I am coming from a point of view where this came out when I was a freshman in high school. I didn't know or care about who wrote and directed the film, I was just stoked to get more time with the crew I grew up loving. They are missing a key ingredient for what made some of these films amazing to us at the time; Nostalgia. They have no nostalgia for the series because they didn't have to wait years in between releases. Alex and Josh have the curse (and blessing) of not having found Trek until recently but watching it in one continuous stream for the last chunk of years. This is a similar problem with almost all modern fandoms who have "bad" takes on typically beloved content. I think a lot of my fellow Trekkers in the comments who are taking umbrage with this deviation from the norm are being rather un-Vulcan about a dispassionate and objective critique.

Wow. I can't believe you guys disliked it that much. I remember really liking it when it came out. I remember thinking it was very overrated later, but it's pretty good. However, I disliked Star Trek V so much that it would be difficult for me not to like this movie. There's a lot of interesting trivia about this movie. Leonard Nimoy came up with the idea for the movie after the Chernobyl disaster and the end of the Cold War as the Klingons were the 1960s stand-ins for Soviets during the television series; the idea caught Nicholas Meyer's interest, so he agreed to direct the movie. I remember seeing it with my brother and his wife who said, "Why was it that Dr. McCoy was the one who helped Spock perform surgery in the torpedo tube? Shouldn't that have been Scotty?" My brother quickly replies, "I don't know that Scotty could have fit in the torpedo tube." Christopher Plummer and William Shatner were Canadian friends and rivals for most of their lives. Shatner was Plummer's understudy for a play, a Shakespeare play I think. Anyway, Plummer couldn't show up one night, so Shatner had to replace him. However, when Shatner did the part he decided to act in the complete way that Plummer had been acting the part. When Plummer would stand up in the play, Shatner would sit down. When Plummer would sit down in the play, Shatner would stand up. A few years before he passed, Plummer admitted that he was jealous of all the fun Shatner was having or had in the Star Trek television series. Plummer was supposed to wear a dramatic Klingon wig, but he said that he liked his makeup much better without the wig. Gene Roddenberry very much disliked the movie, but Gene disliked a lot of Star Trek things where he wasn't in control. He did not like how Nicholas Meyer turned Kirk into a semi-racist-type person. Nichelle Nichols refused to utter the line "Guess who's coming to dinner?" as that is the title of a famous race-conflict movie, so the laugh line went to Chekov. Nicholas Meyer wanted Valeris' part to be played by Saavik, but Roddenberry insisted that that could NOT happen. Meyer got upset as he was the one who created the Saavik character, but they thought they might have to cast a third actress to play Saavik, so I guess he finally relented. Martia was played by Iman, a famous Somali model who married musician David Bowie. Nicholas Meyer offering money for any actor willing to eat the blue-dyed Klingon food. Only Shatner accepted the bet and challenge. The Red Forman actor Kurtwood Smith was a complete unknown actor at the time; funny how you spotted him immediately. Admiral Cartwright was from Star Trek IV, so I would not have expected any bad stuff to come from him. "...publicity materials for Star Trek VI indicated that Colonel Worf was intended to be the grandfather of his Next Generation namesake." The signatures at the end of the movie were supposed to be of the characters and NOT the signatures of the actors, but I think the actors vetoed this idea. I know that one Star Trek fan or historian has pointed out that in the first episode "The Man Trap" that Sulu and Janice Rand have a conversation about plants. He says enjoy that as they will not have another conversation together until Star Trek VI about 25 years later.

I didn’t like this movie and I’ve been a trek fan since 1966. My reaction is much the same as yours. I honestly don’t understand so many fans thinking this was the best. Characters felt slightly OOC, and I agree it just didn’t have what it needed to be a final send off. I was really disappointed by this. I liked 5 better because at least it felt like a dumb TOS episode that you appreciate even knowing it’s not the best. This didn’t even quite feel Trek to me. It’s “meh” at best.

I’m flabbergasted at your reaction…. But boy do I appreciate your honesty …. U don’t just clap for your audience and then laugh behind their backs… with that being said .. Well to be honest the prison scenes always sorta bothered me and I seen this when it came out on vhs … I was 15 … Like the TA guys, I like the character moments , but not really everything else…. I don’t know if it sorta derailed the pace or I didn’t like the sets … or a mix of both .. but then that fight scene with the changling I sorta cringed at that … still do , and i still imagine what they could have done differently . BUT the movie and story are fantastic , the solving of the mystery . Now I should be honest I ruined part of the mystery for myself because I started playing the vhs in the middle of the f😭cking movie, I already knew she was part of it , so I don’t know how I would have reacted to that revelation… but Cartwright, come on … maybe I seen this when I was 15 and didn’t notice the “obvious” villains like Cartwright 🙄… him really, he’s was obvious … I think they should view this a second time and try to look past the prison scenes and just enjoy the character moments within it .

It's worth noting on the topic of Valeris being the sort an obvious villain because she was just introduced that the character was originally supposed to be Saavik returning, which would have been very surprising for fans, but in the end I believe it was decided that they didn't want ruin her character in that way.

It's too bad you guys didn't care for this one. (Maybe rewatch the other cut in a few years time to see if you change your mind)? In fairness I'm a TNG DS9 guy. I've only seen bits and pieces of TOS, (though I really enjoy the TOS movies) so I'm not as invested in the crew getting a perfect goodbye. Ah, well. This was the last Star Trek movie made that I think was genuinely great. A-tier for me.

Absolutely my favorite, and a great sendoff in my opinion. You guys and I just have different tastes.

I know it is because you are trying to stay consistent about viewing in release order, but I have thought since it was first said in a comment a while back that you'd view the theatrical cut that you'd wind up liking it potentially even much less than if you viewed the director's cut. With a lot of films you can sort of see why they cut what they do for a theatrical release, but in the case of STVI I find some of the choices pretty unfathomable. There are some scenes cut which almost fundamentally change the way the film is perceived and which cause the whole thing to make much less sense for having been cut, almost as if in Empire Strikes Back they'd cut the part where Obi-Wan tells Luke to find Yoda.

Rewatching these movies through your eyes has really made me reexamine what’s always been considered “the best” of the TOS films. While I enjoy 2 and 6, neither film has aged well. 2 looks like it was made by a television crew and the racist turn of our characters in 6 is just too beneath our heroes. 6 in particular feels like an angry, jaded film and is not the way TOS should have ended.

Too bad you guys didn't like this movie. For me It's probably my favorite of the TOS films. Ranking them it's 6 2 4 3 5 1. I guess this falls into the same trap that Red October did; both are "political thriller" kinds of stories that are slow building the mystery/tension until it leads to a big battle at the end. But if you aren't interested in the intrigue or feel like you're already ahead of the plot, you lose interest before the payoff. IMO, it is a great finish to these characters going off on one more mission that shows how the Federation and the Klingons finally made peace. The more obvious reveals don't take away my enjoyment of seeing these characters in action.

Star Trek 6 is probably my favorite TOS movie. I enjoy them all in each of their ways, even 5, and prefer 2-4-6 pretty closely as my favorites, but this movie has it all for me. If John and Alex disagree, well, I’ve seen this one dozens and dozens of times over a 30 year period (plus the rest of Star Trek), and they’ve only seen it once. Let Patreon decide…

This is tied with IV as my second favorite after Khan. Good guest performances, great lines from our main characters, and a good plot. Surprised you guys didn't like it more. Maybe it hits differently as an end of the cold war allegory when you grew up in the cold war? So I'm coming at it with completely different context?

Do you know why Col. Worf took the thankless job as a Kinglon defending the human traitors (spoiler alert) who were accused? He did it just to pay the bills, for the sake of his son. Mogh money, mogh money, mogh money!

“I don’t even know his anatomy! But he is Klingon so I’m sure healing him must involve kneeling on his chest and punching.” - Leonard “Bones” McCoy

Today is my birthday and I will be celebrating by watching this when my daughter is done with school for the day - she's homeschooled.

I'm partial to this movie more than the rest as I grew up with this one along with TNG and the other shows. As far as Worf's family line goes, Worf was named from his grandfather and it's damn cool that Michal Dorn played his grand father and himself.

I like this one. A much better finale than the series got for sure.

Just an FYI ~ Iman (listed in the credits with Michael Dorn) is a former supermodel and the wife of David Bowie

Actually, Nicholas Meyer did write Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. He started by pulling all of the elements from the previous rejected scripts that any of the producers liked and compiling it into 1 cohesive story. He did it for free without credit due to the time crunch in going before the cameras, and the time and politics it would have taken to get him a writing credit.

Youtube is such a great Safe Space I'm sure it will all be pretty tame

"Cry HAVOK! And let slip the DOGS OF WAR." The war being the comment section.

All hands, brace for impact!

Yay, excited to watch the edit. Are you guys still planning on reacting to the 25th Anniversary television special? If so, do you know when it might post?

I believe, canonically, that Col Worf is TNGs grandfather.