PATRON TIER LIST - Star Trek TNG S4E10

Just take this as the literal L that it is and we can all happily get back on the “is it S+?!” train.

C. Another base line ep. I do like Troi and I get why it's played the way it is but at the same time...meh

It's not good and it makes a character I genuinely like come off as a bitchy child and it doesn't ring true

An A from me, i love most Deanna episodes, and this is my second favourite about her.

This is probably one of the worst episodes in the series. Easily in the bottom 10. I don’t know if it was bad writing or a conscious decision on Marina Sirtis’ part, but Troi is absolutely insufferable here. Like J and A, I can usually find SOME redeeming factor in a poor episode - but not this one.

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This is hard to grade for me, because I really like the sci-fi aspects of the plot and how the problem is resolved, but the Troi character stuff really brings it down for me. I get what the writers were going for and I can understand Troi's anger and frustration, but everyone is just trying to help and she is so mean to them; it really bothered me as a kid, and it still does. I'd say C+ for me, maybe even a B- just because I like the sci-fi stuff a lot.

Don't care for this one at all. Low D for me.

The problem is this episode doesn't really make me feel for her loss, it makes me want to tell her to shut up. I thought her acting was terrible here and it made her hard to relate to. I get it, I get how losing that sense would be a huge deal for her, but she showed she had no real professionalism with her job, she was only reading people all the time. She made me think that any half bateizoid could' do her job now.

I love Troi episodes. Marina Sirtis was never give enough to do. It's A tier and everyone can just fight me if they don't like it.

To paraphrase Josh from a few episodes ago, this one is "riding the D."

Low C. Troi is insufferable in this. Only saved from a D by the semi-interesting sci-fi plot. Roll on Eps 11 and 12 though.

Poor episode. Troi is nasty and entitled and somehow compares losing her empathic ability to being blind. Riker was right when he said that she was now on equal terms with him and she didn't like it. It's unfortunate how the writers had poor scripts for Marina Sirtis as when she was given a great script (like in Face of the Enemy), she could be brilliant. I couldn't be friends with her as she would be (without consent) sensing your emotions and psychoanalysing you all the time.

it's a low B for me

I’m being generous giving “The Loss” a C-Tier. Another patron mentioned that Troi is entitled and insufferable. I think that’s being generous. Troi is outright annoying in this episode! I’m tempted to use inappropriate language, but this isn’t a Whatever podcast! Damn, that Troi can be tough to love! 😆

It would be S-tier, when it would be more about science fiction and mystery - but this is about Troys emotions in first place.

There are enough good moments that pull this back up, but at its core its an episode that cuts down a main character and makes them insufferable. It exposes Troi as an elitist, entitled, incompetent, and she learns nothing and finds no growth at the end when things reset. C Tier - If I have psych issues I'm going to counselor Guinan, not Troi.

A-tier for me, I love this episode

Roll on episodes 11 and 12 🤞🏼

It's a Troi episode, so you know it's gonna struggle to be any higher than a C.

I think C for this one for me, I don’t hate it but just feel it would benefit from being a multi episode arc 😅

I've not watched the whole thing, so I won't cast a vote. It's just hard for me to get engaged in a story about Troi losing her powers when she doesn't use them much when she's there and when they would be useful she's out of the way so they don't solve the plot too soon.

This is the most underrated episode of TNG so far. I was shocked to find that this was the lowest rated episode of the entire season. I really like when characters have serious flaws and seeing Deanna turn into a bitch is actually really compelling stuff and adds another layer to her character.

I'm surprised how many people here like this one. I do not care for it at all.

I had heard that they considered making Troy's loss permanent that would have been interesting. Either way I think Marina Sirtis did a good job playing the situation.

Damn, the ratio is against me this time. I gave it an A (provisionally). I didn't remember this at all, and then I saw another reactor watch this one, and honestly I liked what I saw. It was edited tbf, so maybe the full-length watchalong will change my opinion, we'll see.

Probably a hot take but I like "Loss". I think the concept of 2D-aliens is very interesting and I think Marina Sirtis gave a good performance. Would I have preferred that she were more professional about it? Maybe, but there are things that can really mess you up: I don't know that I'd be calm and professional had I lost my eyesight or a limb, for example.

While I appreciate the struggle Troi has, it initially comes off as whiny. Some of us might seem that way if a similar situation occurred. She pulls it together later in the episode, but I think it’s a solid B. It does bring up the question: who counsels the counselor?

The main Troi stuff is good coming from Marina Sirtis, but this episode falls into the "character-goes-blind-for-an-episode" trope that was popular in the 60's and early 70's (Operation: Annihilate anyone?). That said, without this A-part of the story, the rest of it really is too familiar and boring. C-tier.

Solid B. Marina Sirtis’ performance is great, while the B-plot pulls this ep down a little bit.

Love this episode, rewatched it last night, Marina is superb, and the scientific concepts are interesting.

Marina sells this episode with great emotional range. Troi struggles with her loss and I'm with her every step.

Some of the best acting in my opinion.

C-tier for me. I prefer the TOS era when it comes to certain things... in the TOS era, the "ship's counselor" was a bottle of whiskey and a clout on the jaw.