FEEDBACK WANTED: PATRON TAKES

I think keep the Patron Takes a separate posting. Go ahead and make them Target Demographic only since those are the ones that get all the attention now anyways. And make your requests/posts more than 24 hours before you're going to watch whatever so there's ample opportunity to make some good Takes.

Patron takes should be from patrons. Not that the cost should matter, but Patrons receive the benefit of that engagement through contributing to the Patreon. I think when you engage with chat during an episode's launch, that's really the opportunity for everyone to comment.

I'm good with whatever you guys decide, especially if one way or the other makes scheduling or work load easier. You know what the post reaction comments look like so if you think those will make for a better patron takes video, go for it

I think it would be better to have an Q&A video every once in a while to answer to comments to the reactions.

I love Star Trek and all its forms OK maybe not code of honor But either way even with its wart, it’s fun to pick a part the bad ones while sticking around to watch the good ones. It is all just TV series not a historical reenactment. Therefore I enjoy the discussions a lot and is why I tune in to T/A I will join in the discussion however it works on occasion I skip episodes because I feel that I’m too close to spoilers or my opinion has been expressed well enough by someone before I got to the page Either way though I’m always enjoying the new perspective that Josh and Alex brings and sometimes new details that I don’t know from others. I have read many books on the subject in all its various eras in incarnations. And still feel I am far from knowing everything I want to know After all, it’s about the journey that we’re on here

i like this idea

I have always appreciated your desire to interact with your audience. But gentlemen....your audience are mostly Trekkie assholes! ;p The LESS you look for our approval/disapproval, the less weight will be on your backs. Enjoy your show, Discuss in one ep or another, and maybe read some fun takes. Beyond that, it's fun to talk to you in the comments. No need to air it for all. : )

Love that idea. Less confusing and repetitive

I would be good with that.

I never comment on the Patron Takes because I barely remember 90% of episodes until I rewatch them with the reaction. If they were to merge with the reaction comments I'd be able to participate in the Patron Takes.

I want to keep the patron takes the way they are. I like predicting which episodes you'll like and which I don't. There's nothing wrong with taking a look at comments/reactions to your reactions, but I really enjoy the pre-episode predictions and pieces of trivia about episodes. And it's fun to sometimes be wrong about what you'll think of the episode. And the best part about you guys is that you don't care what the patrons think about a given episode. I agree with the fear that the comments on a video might devolve into debating patrons who liked an episode you don't like. As you noted before, there's always someone for whom an episode is "their favorite of the season/series" (except probably for "Shades of Grey") and as Star Trek fans are won't to do, they will die on that hill.

I personally have no interest in what anyone predicts about the reaction. I do think it’s interesting for people to offer trivia that you might not otherwise have known and to react to things you say, especially if you wonder out loud about something in the reaction.

Okay, this is my last post. Leave it alone. The comments were great on THIS past episode, but it won’t always be. It’s not worth losing the predictions. If you’re really inspired by a generated discussion either include a bit in the next video or create a new one. IMO Thank You

tl;dr - the current way is better. I think the format is far more pure when the "takes" come prior to us seeing your reaction. Comments on the video itself are colored by the watch along itself and not so much just the original episode. I'm guessing that like me, most people haven't seen a given episode in a long time and give their take based on what they remember as opposed to having just seen it and your reaction.

If you no longer have a separate Patreon Take, posted days before the video, you’ll no longer get predictions. Half the fun was guessing how you would feel and the other half was telling you how we feel. If we now comment after the fact, it will form all of our comments around how you reacted. No more predictions. That, and it would force you to record and post the discussion days after the reaction. If I’m wrong. Please tell me how.

Bad idea. You guys are at your best when you DGAF when the subscribers agree with you or not. In this scenario I fear that the patron takes video will devolve into you guys having to “debate” the comments of people who liked an episode when you guys didn’t (and vice versa). Don’t get sucked into that.

Personally, I'm against the idea. Patron takes are short, condensed reviews of the episodes or a bit of trivia about them. What some people post in the comments on the episode itself fit the bill, others prefer to write longer reviews and have more in depth discussions not limited by time or the size of the comment. If people knew the comments were the patron takes, and only the short ones would get read, there would be a tendency to water down their thoughts of an episode to a fraction of what they'd otherwise say. It would be cruel and unfair to do that to Anthony Bernacchi😢. Besides, while I'll always comment on the episode reaction, I don't always feel strongly enough about an episode to come up with a patron take that's worth reading, so I leave that one for the people who have something more profound to say. My vote is keep things as they are. Besides there were 90-something combines takes for Most Toys and 200+ comments. If those comments are interesting enough to respond to, replying in the comments is the way to go IMO.

My first reaction to this was negative, as the posts would end up being more about comments on your reaction. And because change is scary. But people above have made several comments that have changed my mind and make it a positive, not a negative. People who want to predict can still post before watching the episode, and making the comments/discussion more interactive is a big plus.

I think I like it the way it is, but I wouldn't mind you reading our reactions IN ADDITION to the patron takes.

I'm "middle-diddle" on this one, I think I post a Take for ~25% of episodes thus I'll go with work works best for you guys/ the majority opinion herein.

I think there's a good case to be made for both. Half the fun is predicting you'll like Deja Q and being wrong and the other potential half is many of us have had 35 years to ruminate on these episodes and could probably stir some good discussion. I like the idea of "Patron Predictions" and "Comments" co-exisiting in one video. You could alternate who choses the questions for each segment.

I like predicting what you will think of an episode or events in an episode. You could always do what you currently do but add a live group video call after the reaction, possibly for members of the upper Patreon tier as a perk of upgrading. Similar to what they’ve done on The 7th Rule Star Trek podcast.

Actually, its a brilliant idea guys! We’re already commenting about it anyway, so why not use those? Much more efficient (I think). Love the idea!

I think that's a really good idea, we'd get the patron takes and your immediate reaction and then a separate video recorded later, I'd be interested in seeing if and how your opinion of the episodes changes between the videos.

If I understand you correctly, we would use the comment section of the reaction as the Patreon Takes, then you’d discuss it in the discussion video. If that’s right, I see a big issue. The time span between the reaction and discussion is very short, or should be. We need time to come up with our pithy opinions. I, personally, don’t want you to increase the time between the two videos. I hated it when you put off Tin Man’s discussion until you came back from vacation (I understood it though). Having a couple of days, wouldn’t be much better. I actually liked it when you included them together, like in The Most Toys. But, I don’t see how you could open up the comments before posting the video. I have more to say, but I tend you go off on a tangent, so I just shut up now. BTW, Thanks for a lively, civil discussion on The Most Toys. You’re still wrong though ;)

Good feedback is good feedback. Why not grab from everywhere?

I think it makes more sense and and less posts to track is better. Also I think Patron takes without having watched it cuts out feedback from anyone who hasn't watched recently and that is not a good thing.

Personally I do like the patron takes comments where people respond before they see your reaction, in part because I like hearing people try to guess at how you'll both react. An effort in hilarious futility lol 😂 Perhaps combine both?

I vote for more violence, sex, and vulgarity in the patron takes, personally.

It depends on whether you want takes to be a prediction of how you'll react or for them to be more of a discussion based on your reaction. I'd lean towards the latter being more interesting but it's ultimately up to you and how you can schedule it.

I'm very interested in that. I think the discussion is way more interesting after we've watched your reaction. Also, some of us haven't seen these episodes in years, so our comments made after watching it again with you fresh are going to be more accurate than if we are going off of memory from the last time we saw it.

Do you mean that we’d put the patron takes on the reaction video itself, then you’d be making a patron takes video afterward?

If you do go that way, most of the takes will be about your reaction, not the actual episode.

I don't have a preference. I'd say this is one of those "whatever is easier for you posting" works me. The content does not really change IMO.