FULL DISCUSSION - Star Trek TNG S3E17 - Sins of the Father

I think Alex hit on something important when he said that he liked how the Klingons were honor-obsessed, yet advanced enough not to lose their empire over honor. An advanced society would be one that understands itself well enough to avoid getting carried away and destroying itself with its own ideology. It's a very Roddenberry view of the future, and the episode shows that the Klingons (or at least Kmpec), by this time, have reached that level. So that they're able to be an ally of the Federation, even though their governing ideology is very different.

Geordie at dinner keeps putting his foot in his mouth. First admitting to being ruffled by Kurn. The. Being like “Worf is wuss enough to love Turkey.”

This episode established that family members share the same head ridges. Kurn's head ridges match Worf's.

You guys are going to love Episode 2 of Season 4

I never noticed that K'mpec was the same actor as Korrd in The Final Frontier. Of course, that may be because like most people I've tried to repress all memories of Star Trek V.

My interpretation of the Sickbay scene was that Dr. Crusher was emotionally drained from the stress of saving Worf's brother and was anxious to reassure Worf that Kurn would be all right. Also, this may have been the first time Dr. Crusher conveyed to Worf that she wasn't angry with him anymore about the events of "The Enemy" (she clearly was still angry in "The Defector").

Oh I loved this episode. And I love your reaction and take on it! OOOOOOOhh boy I can not wait for more!!! I say to a lot but this has got to be and is the best reactions and commentaries of Star Trek! You guys kill it!!!!!🤓🖖Best thing ever. Fills my heart! Worth paying!!! And giving you guys the green paper!

I never thought of Geordi as one who is a perpetual pot-stirrer, but OMG you guys are RIGHT! LOL!!

Klingon fat shaming, can't get away with that anymore. Who said Star Trek was woke?!?!

I am thrilled that more people are discovering good Star Trek. You guys are doing a great job.👍

Since Khitomer happened after Narendra III, who knows if Khitomer even happened in the alternate timeline due to the Butterfly Effect.

Same actor from STV but not the same character.

Heya Target Audience, I always tried to get into the new Klingons but they always seemed like a ripoff of the Borellian Nomen from the original Battlestar Galactica.

I did catch "Drunk Beverley" when she same onto the bridge to tell them about Kaylest

As someone who works in law, calling this a "court" episode annoys me. This is no more a court episode than your city council or meeting of selectmen or aldermen (or whatever) is a court. As a Council, it makes legal decisions and mandates, but is not a court.

21:10 Worf is "the ice man," remember. He doesn't wear his emotions at all. But, Klingons don't seem to hide things, either. Recall Worf being offended at Kurn's rouse to get near him. I think Worf learned bigger "emotional stoicism" from humans than most Klingons have.

19:55 Like Dr. Pulaski knowing Riker's father ...intimately...??

And there is a small segment of fandom (not me as I find it works better in smaller amounts) that have for decades been wanting a Star Trek: Klingon. And a massive part of that is due to the performance of Michael Dorn and how much the Berman era of Trek has Dramatically enriched (and altered) what Klingons are. And many writers work on it, but the real inspiration is primarily from Ron Moore's work on Klingons over so many years. It really played the ground work for how Trek will start to treat each significant adversaries by making them well rounded.

14:35 Great point, Josh.

You'll definitely find some weaker Klingon episodes, But as strong as this is.......

10:32 How often have you guys watched the episodes multiple times? Which ones?

Dubious "six better episodes" aside, I can say with confidence that Josh's rankings will absolutely be in flux until the end of this season

So about how long Klingons live...pretty sure it hasn't been addressed in any form of Trek at this point.

Season 3 is amazing. Also, it still hasn't peaked.

Star Trek has a weird tradition of revealing secret siblings of it's main characters. 🤔

There is one season of Star Trek that is almost a continuous streak of bangers, minus one or 2 episodes. Star Trek is only going to keep getting better.

Worf was old enough to remember he had a brother. He was told after he was rescued that he had no more living relatives because the Klingon High Command had assumed Kurn was with the family and was killed with their parents. I always thought that with Worf being so young and suffering the trauma of the massacre he forgot his brother had been left with friends. Stay tuned...

Perhaps by now you're starting to understand the hot take that The Defector wasn't in someone's top 6 of the season.

trust me, you’re gonna need a top ten

My favorite ST (post TOS) antagonists for the Federation haven't appeared yet. While I always loved Dorn/Worf, some fans aren't crazy about TNG Klingons overall. It's supposed to be a Samurai-type culture, but I always found too many Klingon characters to be written as overly aggressive and fixated on the superficial aspects of honour (their status in their society) versus Worf's focus on personal integrity.

A little bit of latter day behind the scenes with the TNG cast. Apparently Michael Dorn found Stearts Klingon hysterical. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oHB9RnNdvAY?feature=share Also, interesting set reuse. The hallway that Kurn gets shanked in? That's the same hallway set that was used on the Enterprise when the super soldier guy was going around planting bombs and sabotaging parts of the ship. Also... And this is entirely m own head canon (I think?)... It is my belief this is actually a clandestine Romulan episode. You don't just "capture" a Romulan ship. We know what the Romulans do when they're about to get captured. I think the Romulans wanted the evidence found, specifically for the damage it could do to the Klingon Empire. I'm not sure if that is ever confirmed anywhere, but uh... Yeah!

Love the background choice! Growing up, the Klingon Empire episodes were my least favorite, even though I loved Worf. I think they've grown on me as I've gotten older and watched YT reactions to STNG. That's just one of the many reasons reaction videos are great, they give you a different perspective.

Klingons are indeed very long lived compared to humans. This is not a hint to anything else. Promise.

Duran, son of Duran

Yesterday's Enterprise didn't end on the Geordi/Guinan shot, it ended on an Enterprise shot. The S rank for the end of season rankings is now in serious jeopardy.