Podcast Episode 6
Steam Next Fest Revisited, New Patreon Content Policy, and the ongoing criminal trial involving the game, Proud Father. How it will potentially impact developers and gamers around the world.
00:00 Intro and New Person
02:39 Steam Next Fest Revisited
02:47 Wicked Island
08:06 Sinners Landing
11:10 Iragon Release
20:17 Who's Patreon Banning Now?
21:41 New Patreon Adult Content Policy
31:17 Proud Father Trial
41:56 What does this mean?
47:48 How we got here from 2017
57:57 Do disclaimers do anything?
60:00 Close
Comments (18)
Good conversation. Constructive feedback: Politely request Dad dial it back 50%. Spent most of the podcast waiting for Annie to converse with guest. But there wasn't much oxygen in the room for that to happen. Conversations between those two were interrupted and taken over. Content was good, but need to course correct on airtime. Annie is the main character methinks. Keep up the good work! Looking forward to further discussion with this guest.
I think we're all finding our balance and the discussion style will level out over time.
Another intellectually interesting and fun podcast... the comments too! When I allowed myself to start trying adult games, I was somewhat concerned it would change me, but I didn't imagine that there were so many flavors beyond my imagining: humans seemingly can find anything sexy, which is intellectually intriguing but not necessarily sexually stimulating to me. For myself, I found out I like a good story (for my "mind"), some emotional connective romance (for my "heart"), and I can't avoid it, but a sexy climax to finish it off (for my mindless heartless part of me) can really satisfy all of me.
Sexuality is a nutrient. Thanks for presenting people who are serious about flesh of my flesh. My claim is to connect, like Freud, intellectual tasks (which encompasses AI) to the factor of sexuality energy (which is thankfully described over centuries). To leave behind college games with their proportions of psychological exert, the question remains as to make sexuality research valid, considerable, interdisciplinary at least. From dramatic Romeo the induction is to abstract. This will help to see what is disconnected from the reality :)
"Hello! My name is Jenny! I am 25 years old, please refer to my birth certificate! I am giving my consent for this sexual encounter and have, under no circumstances, been deceived or coerced into this act!" Saucy!
That would still count as "a disclaimer". We'd have to look at all of the context first in order to determine if there are any power dynamics at play that would hinder informed consent.
It seems like the Patreon rules wouldn't necessarily affect a game where all the love interests were clearly adults and VERY enthusiastic. If they realize games like that would get through the cracks, do you think they would tighten the rules even further or just let it go? Do they want to get adult games off their platform eventually or are they just trying to avoid the themes that get people most worked up? It also might be funny for someone to make like a parody adult game that is totally within all the guidelines in a very silly and upfront way, like meta commentary on the whole issue.
I don't think "enthusiastic adults" even meets the threshold. No piece of fiction in existence with a romantic interaction meets this standard. Maybe I should have you all submit tv, movies, and books so we can cover how each violates Patreon's new policy.
One of the ironic consequences of platforms banning flavors is that it can actually make it harder for players to avoid those flavors. Developers end up doing an emergency find-and-replace on certain keywords, while leaving the rest of the writing and art unchanged. So you get games that say they take place at a college but it sure seems like high school, and games where the MC says things like "How could I have such thoughts about my own landlady!", etc. If you're someone who's sensitive to a particular flavor, that technically-not-the-thing-but-sure-is-reminiscent-of-it version is probably still going to be upsetting for you. But now the developers aren't allowed to give you a clear content warning. Which undercuts the ability to have informed consent between creator and audience.
it's really cool to hear a sexpert on the podcast. having more guests like that is a great idea. i will say that obviously Patreon can do whatever it wants, but i feel that not allowing as many things as you listed really stifles creativity. and is it just video games that this apply to? if i wanted to make a movie that featured the themes listed and wanted to fund it through Patreon, would they allow it? Annie is 100 percent right when she says that the only consent people should worry about when it comes to art is between the creator and consumer. i also like what Andrew said about how there is currently a moral panic around sex happening right now in the culture; broadly speaking i'd say we're headed in a pretty sex negative direction. i have no idea why but i'd love to have a further discussion about it. and yeah i'm not saying anything groundbreaking here, but it only seems to be sexual content people have a problem with in video games and not violence. i mean in Grand Theft Auto V, the biggest video game of all time, you can waterboard someone. i have no problem with violence in games, and that scene was controversial when the game first came out, but if i wanted to make a game that featured graphic violence like that, i'm doubtful Patreon would have as big of an issue with it
The creator I mentioned is a comic artist, so it is not just games.
15:55 That’s because rating boards were only ever made for releasing media in physical retail stores while releasing media digitally online does not need a rating, in most places creators can put whatever rating they want or whichever rating the platform in this case finds appropriate. That’s why you mainly see adult games releasing digitally online and not being sold in retail stores at your local convenience store or wal-mart.
At least until someone gets up in arms over adult games and creates one. It feels like the early days of cinema when creators had freedom to make inventive, out of the box, film before parentified ratings boards came around in the late 60's.
Me sitting here having fun with Iragon not encountering bugs just wish it had more nudity and adult content.
10:18 yes those are called image embeds in links. Gotta be careful where you post nsfw image links even if it’s a link to a store page. For example on discord you can use < > on links to disable embeds.
Or in this case, links to Steam games.
The e-mail Patreon sent out as a notification was titled Episode 5, so this is a pleasant surprise :D
My bad!
