Bonus: The Return to Evermore

It’s cool that he’s nice or whatever but I have an innate hostile attitude towards people whose whole thing is “I look like a CW character from a show that makes the guy writing this want to start eating the walls and floors out of anger” and it doesn’t remotely comfort me that an adult like that is sociable and charismatic because I KNOW most of the audience for stuff like that is children Quincy falls into the same category of “my content has a large portion of forming these uncomfortably parasocial thirst trap dynamics with an audience of mostly children” like hey maybe fucking don’t

I've probably said this before, but Maxwell as a villain gives the same energy as Wheatley from Portal 2, but more poorly written

Maxwell’s performance really gives a guy who thinks he’s talented and intimidating but is overall mid and kinda cringe, and it feels more like the actor is also like this than an intentionally incel-y manchild character

Am I tripping or was that Dan Olson from Folding Ideas in Jenny's friend group? 😆

1:53:02 I might've said it before, but something about Maxwell's explanation for the murders is just uncannily similar to Wheatley from Portal 2 when he's being evil.

Boy those are some shaky accents. Moreover, Quincy has all the charismatic acting talent of the second lead in my high school production of Guys and Dolls. Not sure how the channel became that popular.

"Why did you do it, Maxwell?" "Wouldn't you like to know, weather boy." The lyrics of his song are baffling to me. O Lorekeeper Jenny! Help me understand! Were there actually any wars or villains besides Maxwell that would warrant him to sing about fighting so much?

I'm rewatching and one thing that is bothering me, during the train ride, around where the pirate skeleton was, I feel like it would have been a relatively simple fix to plant some trees or large bushes on the other side of the barrier fence to block out the office building and improve sight lines? it's such a little thing but they could have fixed that in like, a weekend lmao

I may or may not have joined your Patreon specifically because I heard there was more Evermore content here. It's such a disaster, I can't help but learn more about it. I'm glad they added some of the things that you'd suggested, but it's still very bare minimum and I would love to have seen more actors and even animatronics - like, say, a tree with a face. And why did the hearse randomly have "Evermore" written on it? That's weird for a hearse.

evermore said ''here's our chance to redeem ourselves after the most exposure a small park could possibly get! to prove the haters wrong we will bring in One Llama because jenny said she didn't think the Llama Footage in our weird summer camp ad was realistic, and then do literally nothing else''

fascinating how as americans we are so used to ugly things that we will spend so much money and travel so far just to go in the most average of all time british building🙃

i was pleading out loud for maxwell to stop singing death of a bachelor

As a lover of games of all kinds, it really never fails to shock me how little the people behind these experiences understand basic game mechanics 😭 and even if board and video games are somehow too hard to understand, it's not like no one has ever brought game mechanics into real life, escape rooms and game shows exist

Don't worry everyone, you can STILL purchase a VIP ticket to The Convergence if you're interested! I can't wait for May 2023 to come so I can get my money's worth https://hoopesevents.ticketspice.com/the-convergence-at-evermore

maxwell... we will fight we will fight

Every single time I watch the Maxwell jail clip I can only think of Wheatley from Portal 2. Just that exact same speaking style, except trying to be a bit more menacing, if flamboyant in his evil.

At 1:57:01, he gave up all hope that someone else would start for him, shot a quick look at who he was counting on, and began to sing that galumphing song.

the impression of maxwell at the end fucking killed me lmaooo the body language was so accurate

btw evermore never had writers! the actors had an INSANE amount of authority over story and the overall look of everything!!! -an ex evermore employee

Ok so I know this is like basically two years later but I wanted to explain a little microscopic deep dive I did on something in this video. At around 53:56, Jenny and friends enter a little decorated house full of vampire hunter-y type lore. It’s purple in there, it’s covered in the genuine fake antiques we know and love and has a bunch of those confusing lore letters all over the place. But the thing that caught my attention was the ambient mood music they had playing in there. I swore I had heard it before. At first I thought it sounded eerily familiar to music from a video game I’ve played a lot called V Rising. Which would make sense considering it’s a vampire rpg. Or Vampyr, another vampire themed rpg. I scoured these scores looking for the familiar music that I heard in the footage. No luck. I kept thinking that it Had to be from some soundtrack and was being streamed thru like Spotify or Apple or something and that there was no way they were using like license free music. It just seems like a level of effort that they simply would not have gone to. I listened to it over and over. Turns out it’s from Assassins Creed Syndicate’s Jack the Ripper DLC. Which was released in 2015. For those curious, the track is called Cobblestone and Fog. This makes me think that maybe at some point early in development they made a free Spotify playlist with anything they could find that was moody, victorian or Jack The Ripper themed and then just used the same playlist every Halloween. Like they really went hard with the Jack the Ripper idea until that fizzled out. All in all, not That big of a deal, considering now that the park is dead and gone, but it’s just another element of (in my opinion) bad show on their part.

I'm sure someone's mentioned this already, but if the conspiracy theory is correct (and I believe it's at least partially correct) then they didn't make $100k on VIP tickets. Assuming Quincy paid a flat fee to the park then maybe the aggressive half assing of all his meet and greets suggests that he didn't make anywhere near as much money from the even as he was hoping for.

The issue with a fish smell with no fish source is that it often means Bad Electrical Problem About To Start a Fire... So HOPEFULLY it was llama pee 😬

Quincy from the Tavern Talk game !?!?!? What a bummer to hear he was unprofessional in this way I loved his cameo in that game :(

Way late but im losing it at the fact that maxwell’s song intro is clearly inspired by “the black parade” by mcr looool

In theory allegedly in my opinion, I love all evermore videos

The Maxwell villain plot *could* have been something. I love writing detailed backstories for my dnd characters so "member of an acting troupe that felt slighted by the town makes a deal with an evil patron" is something that they could have worked with. Maybe have some other characters make some not so nice remarks about him, a plotline of an evil being in the background striking a deal when he's vulnerable, his best friend trying to talk him down after he starts getting in too deep but in a moment of anger (or maybe on his patron's orders?) he kills him...They try to summon him with the song he wrote but he interrupts with a reworked "villain song" version? IT COULD HAVE BEEN SO GOOD BUT THEY SERVED US A BIG OL' NOTHINGBURGER

As a musical enjoyer, I really love the idea of getting the audience into a sing along to make a plot point happen, but... THAT song for summoning a VILLAIN...? Maybe it makes more sense in context but I have my doubts given the overall quality

i love that maxwell ended up being the Evermore version of the Dan Gossip girl reveal

such a weird shout but does anyone know if the voice from the thing where jenny was trying to press that button & get a quest is the same voice as one of the people who did the audiobook for den of vipers 😭

The overwhelming evidence that they watched Jenny’s video is so funnyyyy

I can not overstate how uncomfortable I would feel on a train being physically pushed by people, I would feel so horrible and terrible

Whenever Jenny mentions the chapel, for 0.5 seconds my brain goes “CHAPPELL ROAN???” before remembering the literal building type that’s existed for hundreds of years 😭

(Umpteenth rewatch:) Honestly, the Maxwell song is kind of a banger.

There's a lot of fun and interesting stuff in this video, both """"interesting""" (extremely depressing), and actually interesting, but truly nothing can beat the joy i felt seeing your friend do that impression of Maxwell at the end

I’ve always disliked Quincy and it’s good to see my gut instinct was right. Also finding out he set the prices and took the money and ran is crazy.

Can't get enough of this topic

This is my third time watching the video and everything involving Quincy is just so infuriating lmao

Got to the part where they return to the crypt to speak to the “actor” and just hearing them say “hey girlies” made me laugh so hard I had a choking fit

So I got to the part of the video where Quincy cancels the QnA and obviously had do go down a rabbit hole of his videos. The October following the release of this video he dropped an 8 minute TikTok video following someone in his comments calling him a grifter. I would 10/10 recommend people watch it, not because it’s good, but because it demonstrates that he is, in fact, a grifter 🤠 while I get that people derive value from his content….he absolutely does utilize the whole parasocial relationship vibes to get his audience to pay for his content and many if not most of his audience are children. Idk…weird vibes.

1:59:20 describes maybe the most ghoulish thing in history. I think it would be a joke on the town Paranorman is set in for there to be a public photo op about an ancient execution. And, unfortunately, an awful photo op for bad apology videos.

I just looked up the convergence to see any content about it, and there are still tickets being sold. on hoopesevents you can add tickets to your cart and there's a payment screen

I audibly said "Wooow" after Quincy cancelled the meet and greet just like that. What an uncharming man.

You know what’s funny? The investors the owner wanted were really just the passionate folks who believed in the park and wanted to see it thrive in any way they could. People who invested their time and their talents, and who clearly would have worked really hard to fundraise or do whatever was needed—and from an outside view it looks like the owner just threw them out like garbage time and time again instead of recognizing their value and leveraging their passion and their talents to build something really cool. It might not have been Disney, but it would have been really special. I guess the real investors really were the friends we made along the way.

I enjoyed my trip in fall 2019 cuz I felt like there was a lot to do and I was incentivized to come back but also looking back there was a big story event that I couldn’t participate in because we weren’t at that point in the quest. At the time I just pushed past the disappointment and thought that I’d participate the next time I went but honestly that kind of sucked. I hadn’t been part of the fan forums or known how to play the game I guess so I didn’t know that I was supposed to prepare for it like a lot of the other guests. it was one of those season long quests where you were supposed to be tracking the story to participate. I do think it was fun at that point in time for me. There were guilds, random activities, and the main quest so it felt like a lot of options for things to do and I really wanted to take a dnd party back there eventually but seeing how inconsistent the park is with their game mechanics makes me hesitant. It makes me sad like it’s such a fun fantasy concept that could make for a great trip for dnd nerds but they just can’t get their shit together. Also I love faldo. When I went I loved his design and I found his actor really snarky which entertained me a lot. I think I had a really good impression but again, when they change the game mechanics every few months and treat their employees horribly I’m not really incentivized to return.

Has Jenny ever done a make up tutorial? I need to know how she does her eye makeup

the in n out catering change is funny bc as far as i know in n out catering is very difficult to book and is often booked a year or more ahead of time ,,, i know this because my job wanted to hire them but did not book in time

Man . . . it just looks like such a dump, but all the history - and horrible practices - of Evermoor are so engaging. Engaging in the worst kind of way, of course, like watching a trainwreck. Either way, thanks for sharing the experience, Park Historian Nichelson. I've never cared about themeparks but you've dragged me into the lore of Evermore, at the least.

I’m glad at least Jenny got to enjoy her time at the park allegedly in my opinion. From what I heard

This whole fiasco really makes this Quincy guy come across as kind of a douche

Having just went from Starcruiser and now a deep dive into Evermore "lore" (see what I did there? I feel like Im down a rabbit hole so deep I don't know where the next turn will land me. And also like a guy just tipped his hat and said m'lady

I just love the weird energy of the song, its so rambly and improvised sounding. Without relistening my impression of it is like and we will fight fight fight fight fight and fight some more because we fight fight fight fight for our right and we will fight with our dads and fight for our dads and we will fight fight fight some moreee. Like they focused in on the word fight way too hard way too soon? It comes on too strong like youre going to pick a fight with the first person you see, like when i wake up cranky from a dream and go seek out my boyfriend purely out of malice- i dont have a cohesive narrative for what has occurred I just have the vague impression ive been wronged and I just start listing things I see around me that arent up to snuff, maybe an empty chip bag is near his computer area, and throwing wild accusations just to see what sticks. (For the record I snap out of it when I wake up a little more and apologize, im not a monster haha)

we stan hot tiktok satan

The Saga of Maxwell is GOLD. I'm so glad i found this channel 😂

im so obsessed with that maxwell dude. why is he evil? why does he have a song?? nothing about evermore's lore suggested it ever had to fight off tyranny or even be in any war at all. why was he the evil necromancer and not, yknow, wen weaver, who was already known to have destructive magic and was repeatedly mistreated by the town??? why do i keep thinking about this?

All of the gifts the workers gave you is so beautiful 😭😭

My biggest question will always be...why do they all have to be english? If it's a fantasy realm, they could have all sorts of accents but instead they've gone for....not the best english accents

Newfound respect for TikTok Satan

Went one last time like 6 months ago for their Halloween mabob. Didn't see the buttons, the actors were around but it was a Halloween mabob. The state of things was bad bad. The food was not great, and the park was falling apart in a more serious way. And now the Centralia scale dumpster fire that their business was finally finished burning down and now it's out of business. Oh well, c'est la vie. Apparently someone bought the dying body of the park a few years ago and now owns the corpse (they literally had loans forgiven and no rent in the space so I don't know how they still managed to go out of business). Supposedly something better is coming in the space, I'm not sure what that looks like because of what evermore park was but there will be more information soon-ish™. I hope they turn it into a big public park with vendor space but who knows at this point, I know there is some serious demolition work needed to clean that space up before anyone can do anything with it (buildings like the chapel aren't meant to remain un-covered like the chapel was in a half built state, so I wouldn't be surprised if there is a fair bit of structural damage at this point). Here's to hoping for a better future for the land, whether that's as a competently executed theme park or as a large public park with vendor and event space.

Haven’t seen this yet since I just became a patreon member, but me and my gf went within days of you posting the first video since it’s in walking distance of our house and you piqued our interest and I can absolutely say 18 months later it’s just as bad or even worse. So I think it’s funny that blaming the customer is still their defense.

quincey definitely fleeced Evermore LMAO no way.

I assume this is gonna be commented on at a later date but I cannot get over the lack of shock at seeing your shadow and realising you're giving the tour of evermore in a giant wizard's hat

The giant porg sees into the heart of Evermore and is not impressed.

Are there any reviews out there of the VIP experience? This is the first time I’ve seen anyone be negative about the Convergence, which is so wild since it seems like a huge scam in retrospect. I thought for sure they’d at least have the big dragon they kept posting on TikTok. What do llamas have to do with DND?? And I wanna know what was going on in Vander’s Keep 😭

Fun fact I’m friends with the Faldo actor. And around 2019 Evermore did a fanart contest where you drew your favorite park character/actor for some free tickets and merch. I still hadn’t gone despite being a local so I thought I’d enter. I really liked my art of Faldo I think it turned out well, unfortunately some influencer with worse fanart but a larger social following won the contest, ah well. But I always laugh when I watch the part where you say “speak up buddy.” Bc it’s my friend Faldo. 😅

Should we touch everything? OW!!

so sad that the singing dwarves were executed for their part in the T Swift V Evermore incident 😔

My personal, very ungenerous theory as to why nobody can ride in the caboose is that the owner rides in the caboose and takes his friends around in it and as a result he just believes he is the only one who can ride in the caboose, like a VIP car.

I don't think a park like this would be my cup of tea, but after watching this video and the previous video I'm VERY glad they didn't attempt to make a botanical garden(???). Gardens take a lot of work, knowledge and love. I was raised by horticulturalists and the thing that just blows me away is the absolute terrible landscaping. Dead plants, unplanted stuff, bare dirt, no ground cover except weeds and grass, it's very sad to look at.

Probably late to the chat here but I’m a long time D&D nerd and helped work a lot of conventions and I feel like the reason that Evermore got away with abusing the staff like the did is because it’s kinda common place for cons. The majority of the staff is volunteers, DM included. If you put in enough shifts they may comp you a room and if you are “volunteering” for a specific company’s you probably will get free merch and maybe a a few staff meals. But overall they really work you to death for the honor of helping them. To be fair most of my experience is a decade old at this point but from what I hear it’s still the case. For a small independent con that makes sense but cons like Gencon are making millions, the can afford to pay staff.

This park is so fascinating in all the worst ways. In retrospect, nothing about this event should have been a surprise but of course, you want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I’m so baffled that this “park” is doing so badly yet every time y’all tried to engage or buy things they SO OFTEN refused 😭

Omg I feel like Jenny has experienced the worst of dnd nerds, like when she talked about the nerds who will hear how awful it is but ignore that and go. I’m a dnd nerd and I would never go it’s so clearly not better than playing with my friends at their house. But there definitely is that type of nerd who is just? Idk? So willing to spend money on anything related to their hobby no matter how bad it is

I love your engagement with Evermore as like a historian! This is how I’ve been engaging with the Destiny video game franchise (yes super nerdy I know) so it makes me happy to see someone else doing the same with another niche interest

I'd never heard of Quincy before this video so I was curious about his numbers by comparison. On YT, Quincy has 42.2k subs, 5M on Tiktok, 211k on Insta, 329 on Patreon. Jenny has 1.07M subs on YT, 85.6K on Tiktok, 82.7k on Insta, 28k on Patreon.

I'm local to slc and went during their 2023 Halloween special event with my dnd group who were all cosplaying and wanted somewhere cool to take pics. I wasn't expecting much after hearing about it for years, but in the grand scheme of things I'd love for a place like this to do well. They closed down literally 2/3 of all the buildings for a Halloween haunt but were still charging full price for tickets - a fact we didnt know when purchasing and afaik wasn't said online. Apparently this is a known thing they do but still super scammy. The haunt was an extra 17$ on top of ticket prices. The only buildings that were available had huge lines even just to walk through (the tavern and the candy shop) and the only other one open was drachen haven. It was actually pretty crowded due to it being advertised as a special event and the weekend before halloween (which edit; I realize now was advertised as their last weekend too lol). I think I saw two actors? One that didn't seem at all interested in talking to us even when prompted, and another that ran by and said there was a dance but pointed to an area that was blocked off by the haunt?? I don't blame them much but it definitely feels like salt in a wound. Also rumor from other guests, there was a costume contest with a supposed 1000$ prize that my friends in cosplay were told about. We were way too cold to stay the night and doubtful that they even had money to cough up but I'm curious if a contest happened at all? Seems wild, though doubtful

Its cool to hear that Jennings Brower (the tiktok CW Lucifer cosplayer Jenny mentioned) is actually a cool guy, I’ve been following him on TikTok for years.

i love rewatching this because i always find new favorite things jenny says and does that i think about all the time. 'trains smell like fish-' abruptly cutting to the train arriving long mournful shots of office park buildings and houses during the voiceover while theyre stopped on the train 'we will. we WILL come back tomorrow night and we WILL MEET QUINCY' the way she says 'that guy was /working/' about tiktok satan 'bro stop asking people if they'd like to play' background woman's brief look of terror when she realizes she walked into a surprise panic at the disco cover the part where they summon evil maxwell through song, which reads like a jaystation video if it took place at a ren faire 'but should YOU go to evermore? NO!'

Lol the guy who talks at the hearse and the mailbox sounds like Jerry from Disenchanted

As someone who has actually been on quite a few LARPs, I just keep thinking about how vastly inferior this is to actually LARPing. The one thing it does have over regular LARP is the location, which with all its faults is really cool when most LARP events take place in a field or on camping grounds. I honestly think if Evermore just invested into upkeep of the buildings and rented itself out exclusively for large scale larp and other big events, it could be really sick!

Hi Jenny, what is the redhaired doll in the McDonalds outfit in the background? I'm a doll collector and that really caught my eye. Dolls are a special interest of mine so if anyone knows what brand that doll is, please let me know, thank you!! (Awesome video by the way, I love this Evermore saga!)

I'm so late to the party, but I have some more Evermore tea to spill! My friend was a fire dancer back in 2018, and she said she and her troupe (who were actually shown a bit in b-roll in the original video) had a hell of a time getting paid what they were promised. It took months, and they had to threaten legal action. One of her actor friends who worked there allegedly discovered that she was getting paid less than her male counterparts even though they were at the same level. She connected with other actors, and they allegedly compared payment, and it was true that male actors were paid more overall. I think this took place mostly on Instagram, though I couldn't find posts. I can ask my friend if she could direct me to them. Also, not tea but fun, one of my other friends did the voice of that witch in that portal room. I was startled when I heard the voice and I was like, "that's Suni!" As a Utah resident, though one from Salt Lake City and not the Pleasant Grove area (there are some noticeable cultural differences between people in the Salt Lake Valley and those around the point of the mountain in "Happy Valley"), I rarely ever hear anything about Evermore. The only reason I knew about it was because I went to see my friend perform. It seems I caught it a bit more in its heyday because it was bustling with actors then. It's like they don't advertise at all, even locally. It's a bummer they just can't seem to get it together down there, but I completely agree with your analysis of its most glaring flaws and how most of them could have been solved/avoided with a little more effort and forethought.

Not to be super negative or anything, but that clip of Maxwell singing with the dwarves took me back to being a freshman in high school theater around competition season and it made my skin crawl.

Great video! Ah yes, Maxwell. The evil necromancer who looks like he used to work at Knott's Berry Farm, one of my favorite parts of the first video!

The cyphers give big "buy more Ovaltine" vibes

Honestly I'd be tempted to go (despite all of your warnings) because of how much of a trainwreck it is. I feel secondhand investment in watching the facade crumble. Then I come to my senses and salute you for being the one to bear this curse.

God taverntok sounds amazng I would sell my soul to see someone prepare medieval comfort food

Jenny, have you heard the rumor that Evermore is closing permanently at the end of this month?

I subbed for a bit just to get to see this video, because I am fascinated by all the ways Evermore fails to live up to its potential and implements ideas that are either too ambitious or out of step with what a theme park should necessarily be going for. Also, that guest with the costume at 1:00:38 throwing their hood back and going “hey girlies” was extremely funny, good edit there Jenny

I watched this over time and totally forgot "Quincy" was a tiktoker and I thought Quincy was Tip Top omg

Selling $1000 tickets is completely deranged. Even as an outright scam! Coachella tickets cost like $550. Disney World peak season tickets are about $200 a day.

Something silly I just found on their site is that on the About Us page, if you click on the picture of the guy representing the "Jobs" link, it shows you a menu for Barter's East.

Love the Evermore content! If there’s enough there for it a deep dive and timeline of the Evermore lore would be incredible.

man the Quincy thing was so bad, if I had paid to go out and see this guy and only got 15 minutes of QnA I'd be fuming

Jenny, the last time I played d&d I was an elf/bard/woman of ill repute named Cher'bolgna. I would shoot arrows at everything, when I missed i would sing " if i could turn back time" my moods entirely dictated by a. Complex, and real, moonblood counter system, and I was quickly kicked out,well imwas eaten by an owl bear and our paladin refused to revive me. The gm Jesse said "you're really not going to revive him? Ok you're alignment is now chaotic evil, good luck casting any of your spells" it was really sweet because he meant that shit, but I felt bad bc obviously the guy who wanted to be a cleric was kind of a douche and i really didnt care i was just adding excitement.

2:19:00 Don't worry Jenny I trust you! I won't go to Evermore! I mean I never would have anyway but hey, I trust your expertise. Also this video is how I learned Jenny is into D&D and has appeared on some shows, I know what I'm watching next!

Seems like they were inspired by the talking shrunken heads at the Harry Potter experience, for example, but didn't have access to technicians capable of matching that degree of sophistication.

It seems to me that Jenny's video last year inspired the whole influencer gimmick. Oh, the irony.

I don't know if you want to have a poll on it or what, but I personally think that this would be good main channel content and I wouldn't be upset as a patron to see it shown to other people!

I love your Evermore content, its so entertaining. I hope you one day release the hours of stuff you haven't even talked about yet

Breaking News! Rumor according to insider info is that Evermore park is closing permanently on Oct 31, likely declaring bankruptcy soon after. Jenny’s exhaustive video is now important as a historical record

These guys desperately need some trees or barriers between the park and those dreary apartment blocks and industrial buildings. Fake trees would be welcome at this point. Or at least raise an earthwork ring around the park - they certainly have plenty of dirt available, it's kind of the main theme right now, expanses of dirt.

I really feel that guy walking out of the hobbit house while you all are posing outside like 'oh I'm very much in the way.' I've watched your original Evermore video like 7 or 8 times now and would absolutely continue to watch any more you made tbh. I'm very fascinated by all of it.

i do appreciate the ashlee simpson-esque jig @ 1:35:26 from quincy's cohost

This had to be my first watch after joining. I think learning that the weird, truncated cylinder building (what I took to be a wizard tower) was supposed to be The Tree might have been the saddest moment for me--emblematic of all the broken promises and wasted potential of Evermore. People wonder why I'm such a grump.

Is the train thematically out of place, or is it just me? dgmw I love trains. A lot. But I think as the park drifts farther and farther away from their original concept, which had steampunk/elfpunk elements, into a more generic D&D theme, the train is starting to feel anachronistic, and I don't know how you justify it thematically without the multidimensional-whatever-stuff they tried out earlier. What I wish they had is a system of canals with boats, but obviously that requires them to not be flat broke. Instead, I propose a Dwarf theme just for the train, Dwarves are more teched up than humans and Elves and it could be dressed more like a mining train, and the doors in the tunnel might be the portal to the mines? Maybe they could put a vendor situation behind the door and the train could stop there, where the Dwarves sell pendants and ocarinas or something. Granted, the park is obviously broke but the vendor might be willing to pay for some decor, who knows.

After seeing your reviews, I definitely think my wife would have taken away my vacation-planning privileges if I made us go to Evermore like I was ready to do a few years ago.

I really like the long coverage! The evermore lore coverage is just: c h e f s k i s s

I'm glad your friends had more to say about the arch this time.

I will never tire of your Evermore coverage, and not just because the park is hypnotically bad! I feel like any amount of pressure on the company's treatment of its employees is a good thing (even if it is of detriment to the park's revenue. if a business needs to abuse its employees to continue, it should simply not continue!). I don't dare to hope that any restitution will come out of it, but people should at least be warned - especially as a counter to any promotion the park is doing while still being shitty to their employees (the ones they haven't randomly fired).

I did MagiQuest as a child and I really think Evermore should've learned from them! I don't know exactly what it was, but the wands had some kind of RFID thing in them or something that let you actually interact with objects, and it would somehow communicate the information you had such that you couldn't jump into the middle of a quest by mistake--it would say something like "you need to do X quest" if you tried to jump ahead. Seems like not a bad thing to integrate into a fantasy larp park where you're trying to do quests while cutting back on actors.

Clearly, a medieval tavern, inevitably run by a clever barman or barmaid, would have found more ways of separating their guests from their sacks of gold… C’mon Evermore, we need IMMERSION 😑

I wonder how many people don’t get upset simple because they are happy any park exists at all- I don’t know of many other immersive fantasy parks :/ but I agree. I’ve never been but just by your video it was depressing they charged so much for soooooo little.

I watched the whole evermore video just to watch this. I love that Jenny is just singlehandedly getting evermore to improve as a franchise

It makes me super happy that the employees gifted you all that merch. Your excitement over having those products just makes me smile

Jenny, you need to come to the water parks in Wisconsin Dells

from Jenny's recordings it seemed like the most visually impressive thing to see at the park was the costumes of other guests. Which isn't really a great look for an immersive Fantasy park.

I think the most interesting thing is the Quincy situation, the fact you didn't get to meet him along with him cutting his event and lines short is wild, especially when the event is centered around him, people are suspected to go for him. You were right to call it out, and im glad you gave your thoughts. I am so confused on evermores hiring situation. I know they need people working for them, why are they just firing people like that? Seriously even if the lore stuff was weird for not fans in the parks having actors makes a majority of the park, without actors you have nothing basically. I really hope the park gets its act together, seemingly it's kind of doing that, slowly but surely. I hope you keep covering this!

Like many others, I joined your community just to see this video, so thank you for making and sharing it. I confess that I may be succumbing to the reality distortion field, but I get the impression that the changes that have been made, if you could put aside all the shady-at-best business practices and all the past advertising for something that it clearly is not, have improved the park to the point where it's just Ordinary Not Much Good - and you're absolutely right not to put those aside. If ever you consider a trip to the UK, your community will surely have plenty of recommendations. If that's not in your plans, at least keep half an eye out for https://blooloop.com/theme-park/news/phantom-peak-immersive-experience-us-expansion/

I just had to pause at the moment at 1:25:20 where Jenny notes that the guys who literally pushed the train uphill got suddenly fired. Like... I don't think there can be any clearer indicator that Evermore does not deserve the devotion it has somehow earned from its followers. I really hope all the workers and fans who love this place find a more deserving output for their passion.

Jenny Nicholson - "Cannot be Sued"

This is off topic but just commenting to say, Jenny I think you would like Secret Cinema if you have those in the US. The three i went to were good, plenty of opportunities for RP and it's inside so not cold haha (altho no cameras allowed inside so not good for filming but more just for fun)

I love these Evermore video's, at first I thought you were being followed by a security guard....but that was one of your friends. Also today I learned what a caboose is.

After rewatching this video a few times I think my main takeaway is: I know you said you were dismayed that they implemented your specific suggestions and didn't even include your consulting tree, but I can't help but feel like with the state the park is in that would have almost been insulting. Like to implement it as a consulting fee would imply they not only listened to your suggestions and did their best to implement them in good faith but also that they had somehow succeeded and improved since the initial trainwreck you found the park in. But instead they're just continuing along the same lines with only minor improvements offset by the things that are worse and on top of that they haven't even done the extremely simple and free first suggestion of "treat your actors better". And in fact doubled down on the bad stuff by also firing everyone who did in fact take on your suggestions and try to improve the park in good faith. At his point? They don't deserve your consulting tree.

this whole saga is so fascinating to me, lol. these videos are, i'm sure, a lot of work, but i'd LOVE like. an update every time you visit Evermore lol. they don't have to be, you know, 2+ hours, but it's like a morbid travelogue + a trainwreck i can't look away from.

I spent yesterday afternoon watching this + reading all the comments. Still not Evermore'd out. Would love to see this made public, with minor edits to include the intel from Taycen that this was a ~private event~ — because I think Evermore would use that to minimize your criticism. Even with that caveat, Evermore doesn’t look great in this. Why would they not bring their A-game for a crowd of *influencers*? Theoretically a rental fee should cover operating expenses for that day - what a great opportunity to have all hands on deck! Why was it not communicated that this was a private event and the park wouldn’t be fully functional? And why was Ken milling about during a *private* event? Quincy doesn’t come out of this looking great either. Since he was presumably collecting proceeds from the tickets, it should’ve been his priority to meet every single person who was there for him. That said, Quincy deserves some grace since this is presumably the first time he and his team have attempted something like this, and it was an ambitious event. Evermore doesn’t have that excuse. They were the experts in this scenario; it was their job to partner with Quincy’s team to deliver a fantastic experience. They flopped.

I actually think this would be great on your main channel. Based on the tiny changes they made, you might be the only person that can hold this company accountable

I absolutely am obsessed with your content about theme parks but especially your content about evermore, it feels like a hole that just keeps getting deeper. For my own moral conscience and money I truly think I will never even go near this place, but I'm so so glad I can watch you go there

ALSO thanks for being so pro worker's rights! Seriously it's cool

I like these videos. I know you were like "you guys must be evermore'd out" but I'll watch whatever theme park stuff you decide to make for sure.

I am always happy to get more Evermore content. Its such a rabbit hole.

Your OG evermore video is what inspired me to be a patron so I am here for the extra material

Jenny, do not listen to other Utahns who might tell you otherwise--Lagoon is not worth your time. Time travel to 1910s or 1940s Saltair instead!

Evermores acting Vice President has responded to some things from her first video. As well as discussing their recent management change and how things will be different. https://youtu.be/Wyix5U_O7Bo

Thank you for making such amazing videos for your patrons ❤️

justice for the apothecary cart

No I didn't mean to delete my comment. What I said was this is apparently a perfect video to watch during the downpour. Also I idly Googled and you can still purchase convergence tickets!! The page is still open! What

a real...redemption arch

I love your coverage of evermore as someone who lives in Utah and been following it. I've come to terms with the fact that they just want to be dragon quest island without any of the money or follow through that the other park did.

Jenny & co: "It's a ghost! Greetings!" Ghost: "Hey girlies." lmao that sent meeee

Jenny made a comment about how the local evermore fans treat the park's shortcomings as an act of god rather than feeling betrayed by the folks running the park - I would hypothesize that this is because most local fans are mormon, and taught both to respect bodies of authority absolutely, and that "contention is of the devil". mormonism breeds a specific kind of positive-midwest-passivity that's honestly pretty strange to encounter (and weirder to be raised in lol)

i just found out from this post you have a second channel

The fact that they removed so many actors, there’s minimum things to do, the honest park feels like it’s growing worse each time I check on it lol.

it really is crazy how people @ Jenny for "not liking anything" as if she's some mercenary killjoy when she so clearly *loves* what this park could be; she's running around excited for every opportunity to see something maybe kinda cool, she's collecting and treasuring memorabilia, she's spending countless hours learning about the people who made the park what it is, I mean come on

I could literally watch you talk about Evermore forever. It’s my favorite dumpster fire topic. Also it’s kind of amazing that Kenny boy is so bad with money. I wonder if he’s a nepo baby with no concept of budgeting; I was genuinely floored by all the useless crap he spent money on before finishing the buildings.

45:55, “does anyone want in on this?” - friends join Jenny in showing off/ dancing in front of Pigmyweeds Inn. These are the sweet moments I subscribe for!

The idea that someone could watch your 4 hour video and come away thinking "well clearly she just didn't commit to the concept of the park enough to have fun!" is kind of stunning honestly.

I want to thank Jenny's patreon community and Jenny for the comments here. The video is, as always, gold, but the comments make it more fun to re-watch, especially Taycen Timothy's with the timestamps. It's like director's commentary on a dvd/blu-ray kinda sorta.

I want so badly for a park with this concept to be real and actually good it’s such a shame it’s so awful — especially the employee stuff!!! That’s the worst!!!!

I saw a tiktoker who would start their videos by saying like, "Get ready with me to go to Ren Fest," or "Spend a day with me at the Ren Faire," and then it turned out to be Evermore which is so hilarious because to compare Evermore to any of the big, established Renaissance Festivals in the US is like...idk, comparing your local kiddie park to Disneyland. I mean, the Texas Renaissance Festival is basically it's own theme park with rides, merch, food, shows, etc. Evermore can barely maintain one of those categories.

I don't think I'll ever get tired of you talking about this park.

So i know im quite late on this but, if the guess of having the tickets be a thousand bucks so they can give them out for free is actually true, then the VIP tickets will not provide a revenue stream, but they will have added expenses for food, dnd and the quincys tavern crossover, which is probably where the remainder of the eighty bucks went that are for general admitance. I dont think they made that much money if i had to guess.

i wanna a third video, i am invested. much love from Brazil

I would go to Disney just for the merch and shopping. So that park does look fun at all to me. Maybe they could give out packs of cards as you go in? Anything tangible to take home. I think Jenny’s big nerd status is confirmed by everything behind her.

I can't believe there are now sometimes ZERO actors! This place is a scam!

I just found out someone I know DM'd one of these games!!!! If I find out anything about that side of the experience I'll report back.

The music playing in the commercial for the convergence/taverntok event thing is a cover of a track from how to train your dragon 2, “for the dancing and the dreaming”. I wonder if evermore got permission for that orrrr Edit to add that the cut to the pallbearers carrying that coffin was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen

i don't mean to sound TOO Judgmental.. But the abandoned Flintstones park seemed WAY COOLER than Evermore... Maybe, when Evermore goes broke, and is in ruins.. THEN it will be a cool place?

I can't watch this without daydreaming like 298715 plans on how to improve the park for 5 bucks every 5 minutes, please send help

I can't believe I didn't know that Patreon would have all these videos! Subbed for Evermore but now instantly working my way through the backlog. Absolutely worth the membership!

I think this cements Jenny as the Woodward and/or Bernstein to Bretschneider's Richard Nixon.

Jenny, two (semi-rhetorical) questions: 1) at what point did you realize you were going to have to make a second feature-length film for what was once upon a time a 30 minute one-time travel blog. And 2) did you laugh or cry? Amazing video as always

As a Utahn... THANK YOU for all the incredible Evermore coverage. Keeping my fingers crossed for Lagoon content one day :)

When you first said they had the actors paired I thought “oh great, that will help them improv since now they have someone to bounce off of at all times!” But then they have one of them hang back like a bodyguard instead 😭

Also any and all evermore content is absolutely appreciated im so obsessed with this I’ve seen the first video like 10 times.

In my minds eye in this tale of Evermore, the Ken Bretschneider character and Jenny character are like, scooby-doo type adversaries. Ken Bretschneider just watches Jenny’s video and is like “and I would’ve gotten away with it too if it weren’t for you meddling kids”.

Your friends suddenly caring about the arch that they didn't care about the first time around is my favorite example of character development in this series of videos

Maybe someone has pointed this out already but llamas should never live alone, they need another llama or atleast sheep/goats/alpacas for company. I hope the llama has a friend back in the stinky stable!

ah so instead of taking the "treat your actors better" advice they opted to just... not have actors

This park looks like any gentrified district in the midwest

why is everyone in evermore European? did they all have a meeting and just decide to each pick a different area of Europe to imitate?

Subbed just for this video. Evermore is honestly so far removed from my interests and lifestyle but I can’t get enough of your coverage lol.

I'm just going to go ahead and admit that I didn't know the "speak up buddy" line was just a joke. I am the problem.

The joy Jenny radiates when showing off a discontinued cardgame for a failing themepark is something i can only aspire to bring into the world one day.

That’s so sweet that the staff gave you gifts! I assume their relationship with the park is just as complicated as yours is

So I watched this last night and it was awesome. Then I watched a video about a park in France called Puy De Fou, another theme park with no rides, and I think you need to go there as a palate cleanser.

I hope you do make this one public too; both because it's great and because people need to know. Unlike the Convergence's 15 min, you actually did provide 4 (now 6.5!) hours of Evermore experience!

I don't have a business background, but I've worked in Parks & Rec and done some small-scale event management as a librarian. These videos got me obsessed with how a version of Evermore could actually WORK. The Disney model is all wrong. There's an awesome Everglades-adjacent fruit stand in Florida called Robert is Here, and to me, THAT'S the realistic model. The actual stand was small, but on a lot of land. It always drew HUGE lines for it's outstanding smoothies and milkshakes (I will drive two hours for their key lime milkshake). They used to have a few small cages for rescued animals out back, but now that whole area has been paved, has a big chickee hut aviary full of rescued birds, has a mountain of boulders that the goats love to climb on and the big Sulcata tortoises rest under when they need some shade.... they also reworked the queue for the shakes so it winds back in this shady area instead of becoming a barrier across the front of the store. Evermore should have been a small fantasy-themed restaurant or cafe on a lot of land with Instagramable, wish-fulfillment food. They should have really focused on honing the experience and the product small-scale, and then gradually built out as they had the funds to do so-- maybe add a patio garden eating area. A turtle pond (because if you have land, why not use it as habitat for rescued animals). Have farmer's market-style festival weekends where local artists can sell their goods. Work in something environmental like composting for a garden that's actually used in the restaurant or a dragon made of recyclables, some permanent features that set it apart from a Renaissance Fair. I dunno, LOL. That's what I'd want to see! Why promise Disney and fail when you could start as the D&D equivalent of a maid cafe? Start by actually finishing the TREE, forget the park! This place just seems so unappealing to me across the board-- it's none of what make a Ren Fair fun, even. People just want to go eat in a D&D tavern. Have literally three high quality menu items but in a carefully crafted setting.

Almost a decade ago I worked for a not-a-theme-park popular nerd project as their marketing manager. The grift was so incredibly strong— my boss constantly strung along major sponsors while my colleagues and I scrambled to live up to her pie in the sky ideas. One of them involved renting an RV and driving it across the country as a marketing stunt, which is hilarious for a place that could barely keep the lights on (not because it didn’t have $ but because the $ was going to the grifters.) Watching both the Evermore videos gave me flashbacks… it was a cool job with so many opportunities but also made me so ill my doctor told me I had to quit (they fired me first!) There’s nothing quite as bad as a for profit enterprise sucking the life and passion from its employees who are trying to do their best by the fans under impossible circumstances.

Excuse you but some of us actually appreciate the quiet beauty of a desolate construction site with unobscured views of office buildings. I guess you're just not enough of a nerd to understand.

The first video pissed me off with how little they seemed to care about their guests experience or money, but this one enraged me. Charging $80 for the same bullshit experience as before is so gross. They improved the part maybe 2% but removed the actors, ran an expensive event where half the offerings didn’t exist, and the main draw didn’t do any of the promised events. I cannot believe they had the audacity to lie on social media claiming your video didn’t accurately reflect the improvements to the park, but I guess that’s on me for being surprised by anything they do at this point.

i’m absolutely not evermore’d out. i’d looove a video where you go over the whole character lore and narrative arc for the old version of the park. great video, thanks for making it :)

I gasped when I saw that the grain silo was the skeleton of the famous tree. I think it perfectly captures the gap between what was promised and what was delivered.

I'm sad for all the employees at Vanders Keep but I'm also a little satisfied to see that smug head chef having eaten his words. Maybe if he'd been more empathetic toward people with dietary restrictions...

What do I put in the search to find her second channel?

Great video Jenny :) ‘The park will get a little better every year’ … At the end of the world is a great big mountain of granite rock a mile high. And every year, a tiny bird flies all the way to the rock and wipes its beak on it. Well, when the little bird has worn the mountain down to the size of a grain of sand . . . that's the day Evermore Park will be worth the admission price.

Hi Jenny—just wanted to mention that as one who is on the record as being potentially sensitive to shaky-cam effects, the difference from the use of the gimbal, while subtle, did seem to eliminate any dizziness issues so thanks so much for the use of the implement! Also, at this point, SUV appearance = feature, not bug 😆

Utterly delightful. I’m glad I rewatched the Evermore video first because it made me feel even more like I was part of your friend group, understanding the in-jokes and everything (parasocial relationships ftw). I’m glad the Maxwell costume was explained because it was one of the most puzzling things (I love that the explanation is totally Evermore). I would love another Evermore video someday… it has to be a trilogy, right? Also I found the masquerade costume incredible and I wish more of it had been shown!

Let’s say people spent $300-400 on a flight plus $400 for a hotel. For $1,800, you could literally book a short trip from the US to an actual medieval European town. Liiiiiike.

Thank you for the update video! Your Evermore review has been living rent free in my head ever since I first saw it, so I was overjoyed about this extra content.

The fact that a group chat exists that knows about an obscure line a character actor said once that got printed on a card, something probably nobody in the world knew or joked about before this video, delights me so much. Thank you so much for sharing that with us 😂

i can't get over the maxwell actor singing panic at the disco so passionately

Unfortunate that this video isn't public. The Evermore people could probably use the constructive criticism/feedback, if they did in fact listen to some of the advice in the last one.

I could never go to a park like this in the first place because the secondhand embarrassment I get from even these brief clips of the actors is PALPABLE

cast member here @51:50 That analysis by Jenny is exactly correct. Those buildings were designed and built as places that guests walk through once, not locations people spend time in. The current decor and furnishing is the best attempt by a team of maybe 5 people who are in charge of the physical facilities of the entire park and have no resources to counteract the building's design. @53:15 the columns around St. Apollonia have been there since the park opened and are actual antiques; I once heard they might actually be the oldest artifacts in the park. Another fun-fact about the park that has no real benefit and was probably stupidly expensive to implement. @53:40 very little of the park's original or "hard" construction has any 'relevant' details, because Ken designed and built a "story-experience park" without ever writing a story. More recent "soft" set-dressing details have some relevancy, but most of they characters they refer to are 'invisible' and never make an appearance. They only exist as an attempt to justify some of the park's design details like the building having names attached to them. For example "This is the Nettleton Mill!" "Who are the Nettleton's?" "Uhh...." and then some letter with those names will be put somewhere to make it look like it was planned that way all along. @1:08:30 the details in the set that seem to lead to story aren't really quests, just Easter Eggs that have little to no relevance. As Jenny said, these are fun if they're extra on top of a baseline experience with actual characters and interaction. Once again, there *are* actors employed by the park and there *is* a (minimal) amount of story and interaction to experience, but **APPARENTLY** it was decided to *not* include that as part of this VIP event. I'm actually surprised there were any actors at all present and I was an actor hired by Evermore at the time of this event. @1:13:30 I find it funny but also very frustrating they they finally made some small changes after Jenny's video. No disrespect to Jenny, but many of her points of feedback in the video was hardly new to Evermore discourse and they just ignored it all until a big famous YouTuber said it. @1:17:00 that stage is where circus performers and fire dancers sometimes perform, and occasionally has story events there as well. You know, when they actually have circus performers and fire dancers and story events. The stage was damaged by weather and wear and tear over the winter and it took until midway through the summer for it to be operational again. @1:19:55 while I don't know the specific answer in this case, it's yet another example of the park's design prioritizing form over function. So much of the physical park was designed as if people would never get within six feet of it or look at it for longer than 30 seconds. This despite the fact that the park is supposed to be 'immersive' and 'interactive' @1:21:05 I think that only happened on one occasion (dead characters riding away on the train. Lots of characters died.) lol. Also I'll remind everyone that all the story and characters was thrown out and reset in early 2021 and all the creative staff that ever worked on those stories and characters were laid off. Any characters or story events that Jenny discovered in her research no longer exists, are no longer canon, have no relevance to anything Evermore does presently, and anyone who developed them no longer works for Evermore. I specify this not to discount Jenny in any way, but to emphasize that before 2021 there was extensive creative work that was produced in-park that had enough of a positive response from guests at the time to warrant it being thoroughly discussed, recorded, and remembered. Then it was all thrown away. In comparison, any story or characters that have appeared since then has had nowhere near that level of engagement. @1:28:50 I don't really have any perspective on the Quincy's Tavern involvement because *officially* The Convergence was a private event organized and hosted by a separate entity from Evermore Park that just happened to use Evermore as a venue, which is why some facilities were closed and Evermore cast wasn't present*. But as we can see from Jenny's experience they really seemed to go out of their way to market the event in an ambiguous way. This makes it hard to say if problems with this specific event were due to poor planning by Evermore or poor planning by Quincy's Tavern, *but* it does show that Evermore is ill-equipped to handle special events like this which is yet another major missed opportunity. *Except for the 2-4 characters who were actually present, apparently? This was news to me and I was an actor at Evermore during this time. Imo, if the characters are meant to be interacted with then there's a minimum amount that needs to be present. If that minimum can't be reached then maybe it is better to have none at all. @1:42:30 I have no further insight into why these hard-working, passionately invested employees were fired other than that no hires were made to replace them. People underneath them are now taking on their responsibilities in addition to their previous work, and I fully suspect any pay-raise they may have been given is much less than the salaries of the let-go employees. It's like the park thought they were spending too much money on shoes so they decided to fully cut their legs off. @1:45:50 Here's some more information about Realms: 1. The project was completely profitable for Evermore. Not enough to place a dent in Evermore's overall deficit, but the costs in developing and publishing the card game was easily made back from sales. So even if you're purely financially motivated, canceling this project made no sense. 2. There was another full-sized deck completely finished and ready to be sent to the printers when the game was canceled. I'm particularly hurt by this because characters I played weren't included in the first deck but were in the second deck. I got to see their art and it's incredible. It's my likeness and is likely the coolest I've ever looked and I can't even share it because it's Evermore's IP. 3. Yet another reminder that all of the IP that those cards were based off of was unceremoniously thrown away and those characters are not only no longer present but not even canon anymore. I keep bringing this up mostly because it particularly upsets me. @1:51:45 I think the writing team from that time deserve a bit more credit, but Jenny is completely correct in that communicating the nuance of the story was all but impossible to the general park audience. There was a lot of experimenting with different methods of doing so to different degrees of success. Ultimately I just wonder why a so-called "story experience" park was designed in such a way that so poorly facilitates storytelling, and I think that the people who decided to build and engage with the story despite everything working against them don't deserve any blame. @2:02:30 Evermore absolutely does not communicate this well, or at all, but the weeks before and including The Convergence are essentially a transitional off-season period where they open to let people walk the grounds and shop at the vendors and not much else. During the major seasons there are usually characters present, and unfortunately neither of Jenny’s visits have been during a typical major season. @2:04:20 The dragon appears every night during the current season (ending Aug. 5). I don’t understand why the park didn’t want to go all out for The Convergence if they were trying to take advantage of its marketing as a VIP event either, but their official position is that The Convergence was not an Evermore event but a Quincy’s Tavern event that happened to be hosted at Evermore. @2:11:21 Nonsensically, the tavern was not designed to be at all functional. It was built to look pretty as people walk through it and stay no longer than a few minutes. Naturally, guests want to spend time in the tavern and expect it to facilitate people sitting and socializing and maybe even having a refreshing drink because it’s a tavern in a fantasy village in an “immersive” and “interactive” theme park. How it was never understood that would be the case when building the park is one of many unfathomable mysteries around Evermore. @2:13:25 No. Well I mean they could have but then they would have to pay someone to do that. Evermore has essentially 0 money, and they don’t even have any assets they could sell because the only asset is the park itself. They are still trying to find ways to save money by minimizing staff to a dangerously low level. Overall I would say that the majority of Jenny’s feedback is still valid and that Evermore’s actions are unconscionable and indefensible, but it is unfortunate that she still hasn’t experienced a typical Evermore night or been able to really interact with any actual cast or characters directly. Her first visit was during the most barebones period when the park first opened after COVID closures, and The Convergence was a special event in partnership with a separate entity that wasn’t necessarily meant to include the typical Evermore experience (though it’s stupid that wasn’t made clear in the marketing).

I don't understand why they keep using the word "immersive" on all their promotional material when they absolutely cannot deliver that type of experience 🙄

#let Jenny ride the caboose

Oh GEARS. Thought you said FEED HIM HIS EARS. TIPTOP NEEDS EARS

Absolutely NOT Evermore'd out. If there's anything more to say about it I'm keen to listen 😄

Oh god, the even worse irony of the lack of access to standard park experience for the Convergence is that Evermore did have an entire cast waiting in the wings for their new season to start and we were all *explicitly told* we would not be working it. If Quincy and Co. wanted Evermore staff to populate the park for their event it should have been able to happen, so I have no idea why it was advertised that way.

Evermore has continued to shown that they’re indefensible, but in the interest of full accuracy: The Convergence was a private event that used Evermore as a venue and not a primarily Evermore-run event.

Was the VIP ticket $999 or $1000? If it was $1000, that might suggest Evermore prioritized showing the "value" to influencers rather than encouraging non-influencers to buy VIP tickets

I haven't finished the video but I SINCERELY hope they've gotten better at actor safety because that beautiful boy at about 46:30 is going to get Panned.

"Many people thought 'exclusive access to the park' meant the park would be open" I'm crying.

As a local, I would just like to say, IN MY OPINION, Magleby's food is extremely overrated. It's the resident "fancy place" but it's basically just an Olive Garden with a paint job. So the catering would've also been a rip off, IN MY OPINION.

Just wanted to comment and say that your hair looks so beautiful in this ❤️ I was so distracted. So shiny!

These videos end up being so disappointing. I love ren fairs and would love a dedicated, year round, highish budget ren fair park. Also if you can't use some of train cars because the train isn't powerful enough you should probably remove them to help shed weight in addition to not putting people in them. Maybe then your cast members wouldn't need to push it in the rain.

No mention of The Grid?! I believe that one of the reasons these videos are so popular is because this is “every employee in a “start up” experience” since 2015. Dude gets rich in the 90’s, doesn’t fully understand how, starts (blank), flails uncontrollably

If you go back again, you should cosplay as the CEO’s SUV

I can't with them decorating the park with those Temu lights at 35:55 lmao

Big "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine" energy at the Rosetta stone thing

Jenny's Friend: “Greetings!!!” Lady in costume: “Hey girlies” Literally the most delightful interaction I’m sure Jenny and her friends had this entire wretched trip – Evermore should hire crypt lady, as it seems its business model is to have people just do stuff for them for free anyways. Man, that really sucks about that Quincy dude. I was curious about his content when Jenny started the vid but now I’m most definitely not

I half expected you to say you looked out the window and saw Ken driving his SUV.

Oh this isn't Evermore’s fault but bonus lore for this video: this time we stayed at the hotel that shares a parking lot with Evermore and our room vibrated. It came in waves, at all hours. The first night I thought maybe it was big trucks rattling by but in the daylight I could feel it happening but see the road was empty. I think we must have had a room next to some AC or heating unit, or maybe the whole hotel was like that The vibrations were powerful enough to wake me up at night (I'm an extremely heavy sleeper) and in the morning doing our makeup we could see the mirror shivering. I've never experienced anything like this lol. We were so tired the whole trip

"It's time to play the video that you created!" --My catchphrase, my best line

I love her Nerd Commenter Voice because it is exactly how I read that type of comment too

Jenny!! Did you also return to *The Grid* while in Utah?

Oh, dear God, how did I miss this the announcement email? It's currently 3 a.m. where I am, I have to work tomorrow, I went to quickly check something on Patreon (that the excitement for this video has caused me to forget) and I'm still tempted.

Thanks!

i hope the evermore videos continue for… evermore

so grateful and excited for this content!! thanks, Jenny!

As someone who helps run LARPs, the amount of wasted potential is so infuriating. We will put on a game in convention center room and work our asses off and have spent several thousand dollars over the course of a few years to give our space a fraction of the ambiance and theming that they are wasting. And just the small amount of effort that could improve things so much, if the people in charge just put in the time or money.

“i bet most of you are super evermored out” jenny, i have watched the video so many times that i’ve lost count. seeing this bonus get posted felt like christmas morning. i now have an insatiable curiosity that can never be quenched

I love this so much. Our 'bonus video' is 2.5 hours long. Jenny, you're the best. And I hope you do unlock this for people to watch, because this stuff is important. Evermore and Elizabeth Smart's Theranos are more similar than you might think! Charismatic Silicon Valley types trying to use their smarm in the real world and failing- I feel like these cautionary tales are massively important for the future.

Evermore is strange. I'm local and have been watching it's growth since they put up the first billboards to announce it was coming out soon in small town Utah near the national park. The billboards were bad they just said EVERMORE and a picture. I've never gone cause its a schlep from where I live but I really wanted to when it was going to be a lot of structures and a theme park. Since they opened and it wasn't that I never went but I was always curious so I'm really grateful for Jenny covering it and keeping up with it. Would love to see more.

Not very relevant, but your content helps me so much with my anxiety! Thank you for your humorous and insightful commentaries that take my mind off of the world :)

wait, so then why did that guy have to apologize so much for killing maxwell?

I was on the edge of my seat the whole time seeing how the Quincy meet would go and omg what a scam...in my opinion.

Maybe they could pivot to hosting general roleplaying/fantasy conventions? The location would be really cool and people wouldn't expect to get as much out of the park itself. Do little workshops in sewing, prop building, character work, maybe a big area where people can try different pen and paper rpgs that aren't quiete as heavy as dnd, panels by influencers, panels by authors...Then again, a convention does requiere competent producers who have the authority to tell Hypothetical Man In Charge to shut up and pay for a gazebo so pepole don't get rained on or sunburned while waiting in line.

I feel like this video could do well on the main channel (though I'm sure you have good reasons.) Hate to see a place take advantage of both attendants and employees, and maybe your criticisms actually are pressuring them to address some of the problems.

I REALLY loved this video. Such a great follow up to the evermore video, I don’t see why anyone wouldn’t wanna watch this! Thank you Jenny for such a good exclusive video ❤️‍🩹

You killed me at the part where you point out how the candy bags are now placed upright instead of just tossed into their little cubbyhole. Now that's an oblique observation!

I can't wrap my head around the whole plot thing because like...does important stuff like a character dying only get performed one time? Just for the guests that happen to not only BE in the PARK that day at that specific time, but happen to be in the immediate vicinity of the event? Or do they do an event script daily for a week-month so more people can see it? Like can you just miss a very important saturday or be in the shitter while your favorite character dies and never find out how or why unless someone happened to record and upload it???

It's so sad to see that some stuff improved to a degree but at the expense of so many other things. You can really see the potential for this park, but management seems to just squander whatever there may be. Out of curiosity, does anyone know if the quality of ticket purchasing/overall website functionality got any better or is it still a train wreck?

The Evermore song Maxwell sang is literally Welcome to the Black Parade

Hi Jenny, I'm one of the two employees that came and talked to you after the train, I was also the one you spoke to in the Tavern. I'm so glad you guys enjoyed the merchandise and Realms decks. You guys were such great guests, I really enjoyed meeting and talking to you! Also it is true that both me and the other employee you spoke to were fired this last week. It was really painful because we have both tried so hard to make the place better and those efforts were never recognized. If you'd like further details, let me know!

JENNY please i love your squishmallow hat. where did you get it

IIRC (other cast correct me if I'm wrong) Maxwell's serial killer backstory and relationship to Inspector Ozymandias Flynn was floated pretty early on in the creation of those two characters. Maxwell's actor had established a pretty brilliant rationale behind the character, but due to the longstanding issues of Evermore as a medium, none of this would necessarily be consistently conveyed to the audience very well.

four actors all weekend…… what’s the fucking point honestly

It's so funny to me that Evermore is not even as immersive as an escape room

Reading the title and description I thought this would be a nice 20 minute update. Then I saw it is 2.5 hours! I feel like I should hate that but I know I'll love it!

Just fascinated at this look into a big ol' "special event" and the layers upon layers of skullduggery underneath it all. For all the improvements Jenny mentioned it still seems to be generally run like a travelling carnival trying to stay one step ahead of the law. Also as someone who dearly loved the Lucifer TV show... I admit I understand why Jenny assumed it was on the CW. Like, fair guess.

I’m just glad the dude in the suit was in their crew. When I first saw him I yelled. “Evermore lawyer! Jenny he means you harm!” Also “very generous” of Jenny to offer the button push in the super scary mausoleum when the threat of jump-scare was at its highest. :)

OMG I can't with this dude's fake tavern-y accent

I am also not a preexisting Quincy fan, but if I had been one and bought a ticket to see him, that business with the Q&A would've made me drop him forever. You're telling me they don't have a single canopy they could've put up for the rain that was already happening before the event started??

I recently came across the website for a place called Ancient Lore Village, located in Knoxville TN, that definitely seems to be in a similar vein to Evermore. From the website it appears to be pretty small and not have a lot to do there, but it looks like all the structures are at least complete and they’ve got themed cabins/hotel rooms. It might be worth visiting just for the sake of comparing/contrasting it with Evermore, plus you could knock out a trip to Dollywood at the same time if you wanted to do a video about Dollywood or get b-roll for discussing Dollywood in some sort of larger themepark video, especially since you did mention DW when discussing park ambience and spaces just simply being nice to exist in.

loved this video, thank you!!

Please tell your friend at the end that he did an excellent job as Maxwell

I have to constantly remind myself that I don’t actually want to go to Evermore, I want to go with Jenny’s crew and experience the silly chaos that are these trips 😂

RIP 2 hours!

👻✨hey girlies ✨👻

I just keep coming back to 1) Meow Wolf which I have been to the Santa Fe and the Denver ones; both amazing immersive worlds that IMO take Evermore's premise and do it a million times better; and even though it's in one large building instead of an outdoor theme park my friends spent at least 7h? trying to complete and see everything. 2) Conner Prairie which is in Indianapolis (where I'm from) and is a large historical re-enactment site set in the 1800s (different areas have different specific years). With character actors. In the off seasons there's fewer people in the actual houses and the newest area does use some video looping vs real people, but it works well. The actors definitely have a character but they generally stay in their one location and therefore every guest that walks into the house gets the same general spiel, but you can ask them other questions to learn more. Also sometimes they will give you fun tasks to complete (often to children, but when me and my late 20s friends went last year they let us feed apples to the pigs so that was fun) I've just seen ways this concept should work, and its baffling that Evermore is just unwilling to make even tiny tweaks. Also to treat their employees better. Conner Prairie also hires a lot of high schoolers in the summers to round out their cast for peak season, you can't tell me there aren't high school drama kids and/or DnD nerds that would do a summer job filling out the cast at Evermore. (not that they should based on how their current employees are treated, but in a dream world)

I love that one of Evermore’s primary villains was an evil theater kid lol. The fact that he can be summoned through song in a Bloody Mary style ritual is even funnier.

Really enjoyed this return to Evermore. Very interesting!

"Now say something so quiet we can't hear you" a FANTASTIC performance by your friend, i literally cannot stop watching that last bit over and over. It's so good

Please do so many Evermore videos that you have to start naming them like F&F movies. I personally look forward to "4Evermore: This Time It's Personal" where you fight Kevinbretschneider in the parking lot

Is it weird that I want to go to Evermore now BECAUSE it looks like it sucks?

The guy that showed off tip-top looks like the guy that talked about going on a trip with Gandalf/being sorted from the main video.

this video is amazing, and i love jennys content, but it's a genuine tragedy that she has not one, but TWO bibble plushes, and what seems to be a bibble hat!!! im this 🤏🏽 close to selling a limb to get bibble themed shit. i hope jenny is just being extra cautious by saying people might not enjoy this content because i can't imagine anyone not being interested in this stuff? idk, i dont care about theme parks, i dont play dnd, and somehow, jenny makes everything so entertaining, keeps the audience curious, and does ungodly amounts of research just to cover every facet. i really hope no one is actually miffed about these videos. also its so funny to me that jenny hasnt watched and is extremely unaware of lucifer, the tiktoks of that guy made my whole body shiver and retreat, i thought id implode from second-hand embarrassment, but its nice to know hes a good-hearted person, or at the very least cares about his fan interactions! even though i dont know if it's video worthy, I'd imagine jenny &co. would enjoy watching the drama of lucifer. I've met a lot of nerdy people who act like they're royalty for being on a higher level of nerd than i am, and i think the last part of the video was very well put. i remember one of my coworkers condescend to me about how "naive and immature" boycotting, or even being uncomfortable about supporting unethical institutions is, and that overlooking the blatant abuse or amoral actions was somehow a sign of being a superior being, who is unconcerned with the meaningless quibbles of us mortals. i felt like i was transported into one of those mobile game ads where the level 50 player knocks me, a mere level 5, down and laughs at me and walks away with a big boobed side character. ⁽ᶦᶠ ʸᵒᵘ ʳᵉᵃᵈ ᵗʰᶦˢ ᶠᵃʳ ᶦᵐ ᵗʳᵘˡʸ ˢᵒʳʳʸ ᶠᵒʳ ᵗʰᵉ ⁿᵒᵛᵉˡ ˡᵉⁿᵍᵗʰ ᶜᵒᵐᵐᵉⁿᵗ⁾

Your original Evermore video was one of your best in my opinion, and this is a great follow-up. The alleged labor abuse alone is, in my opinion, too egregious for me to ever visit the park in person, but I am jealous of the shirts and the character deck. That's solid merch, in my opinion.

Ok but I did kind of like Maxwell's little song, especially if the additional verses were just actors riffing when they didn't remember the words. That feels very folksy to me in a way that is quite charming, but I may be giving them too much credit.

Evermore is a true-to-life Mormon experience, where a charismatic leader tells a community, "All of you whose hearts have yearned for something better, something *amazing*, Follow Me! and see Heaven in the desert... ...a Heaven we will build ourselves."

I had a brief moment of thinking that it was a little paranoid that you went in disguise out of concern for being recognized, but then I remembered that you managed to find the world's only gatekeeping Flintstones fan on your spider quest. If something like that *could* happen, it would definitely happen to you.

It would be devastating for my finances, but "talk to Jenny about theme parks regularly" would really sucker me in.

I was Wysi Wyg on the server Xev in the guild "Ancient Fellowship" which spun off into "Concordance"

I played the MMO Everquest when it came out in the late 90's. I thought the quest system was awful, we called it Neverquest. The rewards were mostly pitiful and the quests quite sparse. The 1st update "Kunark" gave each class an epic weapon quest that was so difficult that only large guilds could band together and finish them. Most epic quest lines contained steps that every player of that class had to wait through usually a rare NPC spawn that they would have to "camp" for days waiting for it to spawn in the game, it was horrible for players. I was lucky enough to finally finish my Enchanter epic but our guild folded soon after and without friends I left the game to play WoW.

Not sure if it's already been mentioned but Jenny's conspiracy theory has been a little confirmed by Quincy himself. He did a podcast on the Convergence and said he flew out around 15 of his content creator friends and put them up in a big Air BnB.

Shout out to Jenny's friend doing the Maxwell recreation at the end, had me dying laughing.

In regards to the actor bodyguard thing, I'm kind of surprised they don't have out of character handlers. Not only is it something Disney does, it's something Sleep No More does. If I remember correctly, there are people on each floor in each scene that blend in with the guests but have a different color mask to indicate they're employees.

The fact that they basically eliminated actors…… This trip seems way worse to me than your last one even though I know there weren’t that many actors then either 😭

I feel like they should make the experience with the park that you get like a leaflet in the beginning with your quest and then make it some proper puzzle (there could be like maybe different options on what kind of puzzle quest you could do) and then get some park employees who are positioned throughout the park to help you if you get lost or something. At least you get like a proper kind of experience.

The Return to Evermore, in my opinion

You know, for a moment, briefly, I saw the chapel in the low light and thought that it might finally be a building that had all its walls. I was disappointed, though not surprised, to find out that it did not. Which I guess sums up the whole experience—especially for the park employees it seems, which is extra disappointing. That said, I loved getting a follow up, and the video itself was great!!

maxwell the necromancer covered panic at the disco songs. how did people not realize he was going to be a villain?

I feel that Jenny is truly at her best at theme parks. That hat is amazing and I love her passion for animals! But what made me to comment is how she thought those buttons might do more than thing. That shows how optimistic she is about the potential of this place even after all she's uncovered about it.

Jenny, you have a second channel?!? I wanna follow that! What’s the name of it?

It's sad, because this is such a cool idea, and with the right creative and management team, it could be really special.

my favorite addition to the park was the huge corporate warehouse eyesore behind the train tracks that lit up at night!

Our local Ren Faire takes place in a fully themed land with permanent buildings and has actors doing a storyline that changes every season, interesting vendors, a variety of food and drink options, and great cosplay from guests. What Evermore is trying to accomplish seems just like a more fantasy-inspired Ren Faire, so I'm just baffled by why they can't seem to get it to work better than this.

i dont know if someone else has mentioned this, but at about 1:27:30 when the train is stopped at presumably the tavern for the meet and greet, the shorter guy in the back literally was quincy as far as i can tell. a little strange that hes behind the building ppl are lining up at and not inside it so people can get a picture inside quincy's tavern with him, but also i dont know the situation, just thought it was kind of odd and funny

"Ebenezer Scrooge's going-to-sleep hat" is much better than "nightcap"

The park doing dnd weekends would be a good idea I mean if they did them right and paid people properly and cooked themed food. Sometimes in trying to save money you end up losing so much money. Love the video so much!!

redemption for the stone arch

It’s both admirable and sad that this is some of the best undercover journalism I’ve seen lately around employee and consumer protection. I’m so moved by Jenny’s passion and appreciation for all the hard work that goes into creative industries. It makes me realize how lazy so much corporate reporting is these days—if this reporting has been done by a major news outlet, they probably would have interviewed a few actors who said one thing, interviewed the CEO who said something else, and then printed one picture of the park along with a headline mocking people for being interested in nerd culture in the first place. But if anything we should be paying more attention to service and entertainment companies like theme parks—they represent huge investments in arts and tech and provide jobs less likely to be outsourced or replaced by AI. So how this this company treats its workers and customers is an important case study for all of us.

The force perspective mountains they built are impressive.

This was most entertaining!

These Evermore videos remind me of all the basic psych classes that talked about "Intermittent Reinforcement." It *mostly* doesn't matter that 95% of the stuff you try and interact with does nothing - the 5% that does will keep most people excited and trying everything and pumped up with anticipation.

Honestly any content with topics you’re passionate about is never boring for me. So yes, although I’m not into theme parks in general, let alone evermore, I still very much enjoyed listening to another 2 hours of you talking about it 😭 appreciate the extra content!!

if anyone reading this wants to play d&d for the first time but you don't know where to start, here are some legitimate options. -D&D Adventures' League and/Pathfind Society. These are 'organized play' groups that run at game shops all over the world. You sign up and play. The DMs are available to run games for you. The material they run is created by Wizards/Paizo and is specifically for organized play. It's usually free-- the highest charge I've ever seen was $5 a head. Look on Facebook or meetup or contact your local game shop before you go so they can make sure to have space for you. -convention play. most nerd cons, including anime cons, have volunteer groups that DM games for con attendees. they usually DM for free and are paid in a ticket to the com after doing X hours of DMing. For players, once you're in the con, playing is usually free. I've never seen an additional charge. -ren faires. this is getting to be more common. similar to con play, above. usually free though may cost a small charge. never seen one above $5.00. -facebook. find a local roleplaying Facebook and see if anyone is looking for players. -online play. roll20 is a digital tabletop environment that I think has a looking-for-group feature. discord is a chat service that has hundreds of room dedicated to finding groups. there's also a lfg (looking for group) subreddit, not sure how active it is. -Paid play. jenny mentioned that you can pay DMs. you can, that is true. you will be paying them for both the time they spend DMing and also the time they spent prepping, so it can be expensive ($200 ish, at least when I was doing it. I can see people charging more depending on their services). I really only recommend this if it's a birthday party type scenario. contacting your local game shop is your best bet to find a paid DM. -after school groups and adult social clubs. just depends on your area. Facebook is a good way to find these. and finally -summer camps. some summer camps are starting to incorporate d&d. if you have a kiddo who wants to play, you can always see if one of them is in the area. Hope that helps the curious. Don't get scammed. Paying $1,000.00 for a single session with a DM is batshit crazy unless you're also getting, like, a private cabin or something with it.

the employees got you the shirt...that means...YOU FINALLY GOT AN EVERMORE T-SHIRT!!! (technically)

hi jenny

JENNY NICHOLSON SWEARS (NOT CLICKBAIT)

Brettschneider is probably scared that one of his close friends is actually Jenny in a Mission Impossible mask based on how deep she has infiltrated this park.

LOVE this type of video where a place/topic is revisited after a video/report about them gets big. Even more when you can see the effects your video had. I've been wondering if anything had changed or if they'd tried to sue you. I went to their website after the video to see if any of the links had started working cause I couldn't actually go to the park. We need a patreon tier where you go to Evermore every year it's open, do a meetup with the employees and start an union lol. Also the witch being burned at the stake was VERY apt, like that's what Ken would have done if he caught you lol. This was a wonderful bonus video!!!

Been waiting all day to get off work and watch this gem. Thank you Jenny you're too kind to us!

I'm a little confused regarding a final point. Like, I get that YOU think it's not worth the money, but if someone else buys a ticket and has a good time, then that's just a subjectively different experience. A review of something is to educate people so they can make their own informed decisions. Not to convince them to think like you and make the same decision as you. Because maybe to someone out there, going up to a tiny little prop and pressing a button to see it light up and play an audio file is worth $1000. You can't make that decision for them.

1. i cant imahine being evermored out, i just love to listen to you talk about anything, your opinions are so fascinating and astute. 2. i had a friend who wanted to go and bring his kid, but i swear it was some extremely contrarian urge to be like “i can have fun doing anything!” lol and as a fan of incompetent media of all forms i get it but like, no, you’re not going to have a surprisingly fun time. youre gonna get there and see nothing. i can only imagine thinking its fun because youve never been to a theme park before.

I will NEVER go to Evermore park! Promise!But could you please go from time to time and check if it's still bad and tell us about it? Just to be sure, you know.... that would be awesome 💕

So what you are saying is, this park is great if you gatekeep hard enough and ignore your actual opinions.

thank you for your service, jenny

Okay I was SO curious what happened from Quincy's perspective, and I found a podcast retrospective on the event from Quincy and his co-host: https://youtu.be/Me6nBXgG7UM Takeaways relevant to this video: - It sounds like from their perspective, they characterized this as basically a creator event that they hosted, with Evermore as their location. They thanked their team and then thanked the Evermore team. They described the Evermore team as “bringing them water.” They discussed wanting to host another "Convergence" at a different venue that was more accessible and required less food planning. - They said they stayed in a big Airbnb with “15 content creator friends.” Interesting! It sounds like all the influencers were in the same lodging. - At the end of the podcast they say they have to go — “We still have a few tiktoks to film with our friends” “a few more we gotta do." Is it normal to schedule group tiktoks? Maybe when you have a group of influencers all together. But I have a conspiracy theory that they paid Evermore in tiktoks, haha. I'm sooo curious how the compensation broke down all around. - He alludes to the meet and greet, and says he was surprised and disappointed at how short each greeting had to be, how long the line was, and that people would have to wait in line for so long. No explanation for why it was cut short. - He alludes to the Q&A as something that had technical difficulties, but nothing about how it was cut short. - They seem to have chosen and invited the DMs who came. They also talked like they chose and arranged the catering. - His co-host, who uses a wheelchair, commented on the accessibility. Said she wanted a more actually-accessible place in future — that it’s technically accessible, but she “almost ejected myself from my seat in one area." This very much checks out. I would be so scared trying to navigate Evermore with any kind of mobility needs.

The saddest thing to me is that there are so many past and current employees and fans that see how great the park can be and are rooting for/working towards that vision, yet the people running the park take it for granted and don't seem to appreciate it. Regardless of the "ALLEGATIONS" and things that can only be guessed at, the things we know for certain have happened are enough proof to see that the people calling the shots are severely incompetent at best, yet they have so much going for them that a lot of other projects could never dream of.

NEVER ENOUGH EVERMORE. I loved hearing the way that Evermore has become a special interest for you all — it's definitely contagious. Sometimes I'll just google around, watch Evermore videos on youtube, look up Mr. Bretschneider.

"Disorienting word salad explanation about tiktok trend", yep I'm in the old category

As someone who actually DOES know who the people Jenny is talking about are (I very much am on that side of TikTok lol) I’m sad my parasocial relationship didn’t hold up to scrutiny lol. But shoutout to Jennings brower for apparently being cool! (The TikTok devil guy)

There needs to be a $1,000 Patreon tier that unlocks the un[Redacted] version of Jenny tripping over the "well lit pathways" (and includes a voucher for 1/3rd of a large cheese pizza).

what a fascinatingly terrible place. I hope you return in a few years to watch it devolve even further!

I cannot imagine anyone watching Jenny’s Evermore videos and thinking “oh, I’m there!”

So disappointed that you still didn't get to ride in the caboose. :( On the other hand, glad you managed to get your hands on some prime merch this round~ 👍

it's so sad that despite the welcoming and humble vibe from Quincy's tiktoks (I watched a few after you brought him up) it seems like he really didn't care or deliver for fans. Obv there could've been extenuating circumstances we didn't know about but that was the most egregious thing to me.

First of all: thank you for this GEM. Secondly: we will never be Evermored out. I speak for all of us.

This video is amazing! IMO it's main channel content, especially for all the non-patrons who enjoy the OG Evermore video. At the very least it should be public somewhere, so I can link it to non-patrons!

'it's time to play with the monster that you created' summing up jenny's entire evermore experience perfectly is the best part of this whole saga

We are so blessed, honestly. I wasn't expecting an Evermore followup even though it is now probably my favorite of Jenny's videos. Getting more Maxwell backstory was pretty neat, actually! I don't know how difficult this would be, but could you do a compare/contrast video for YouTube where you show how things have changed kinda side by side? That could make the differences a bit more stark.

the maxwell arc is so wild omg

If I was a Quincy fan I would've been gutted that the QnA had been cut off and even more so if I'd missed the initial tavern interaction. But this event would've really been aided by the other influencers making the event feel like a comic con. I half worry attendees really didn't realize that they'd gotten duped a little bit because there were many nice people there making up the difference. Even if I hadn't gotten the full Quincy experience, I'd still have felt (naively) the 80 dollar ticket justified if I'd seen like, even 3 people I followed on TikTok in person, gotten to play with other guests, and made the most of what atmosphere they did have. But I think someone else in the comments said it best. It's as though in the starvation for a nerdy experience like this, people are extremely willing to overlook it's shortcomings and wonder how they might have it better. I know these videos have gotten me to think more critically about the experiences I attend, even if I find ways to enjoy them in the moment.

I’m so fascinated by how bad this theme park is. Every aspect of it is wrong. Even an audio recording meant to add atmosphere is a tiresome confusing slog. They can’t even leave a door open for guests to look in an empty building. Truly baffling

I've watched the Evermore video probably about 5/6 times since it's come out, watched this all the way through, guess it's time to watch the Evermore video again.

I am dying at the cart recording thing just going on and on lol "only WHO can complete quests?... You have selected you, indicating me. The correct answer is you"

Given a bonus video is what we'd call, you know, six minutes of out-takes I feel like we need a different word for something like this. Bounty? Bonanza? idk 🤷‍♂️

At first I thought your friend in the suit was an employee following you and about to kick you out!

I'm so happy to have more footage of Evermore, I think it's super interesting now. Alas this is not the comeback story of the century I was hoping for.

Something I really enjoy are Jenny's comments pointing out small positive changes. They're interesting and fair and also serve so well to illustrate all the things this park DOESN'T have. Like, if it's notable that they painted over the logos on the church, that just highlights that that's the ONLY thing that changed. Biting commentary. This was also extra interesting because I've seen so many people say that it seems like the park has improved since the first video, but solely based on the promotional material. Surely they would never publish anything misleading!

I'm thinking Jenny's voice is distinctive enough that the mask probably wasn't fooling anyone

As a larper, hearing that most of the actors are gone really takes away even the macabre desire to go to experience the "terrible". That was the last of the small appeal to make the park even remotely cool.

I want "Paid in Pizza and Pasta" on my tombstone

Just to let everyone know: I'm selling tickets for the opportunity to clean my garage and mow my lawn for $2,000. But if anyone out there is a lawn care influencer I'll offer them free tickets to this prestigious event.

This isn't super relevant, but @jenny and anyone who might want to weigh in. My boyfriend is taking me to knott's berry farm for the first time tomorrow because I realized our post comic con hotel is literally 6 minutes away and lost my mind and he is a sweetheart. What are the best things to do??? I've never looked into it really other than random mentions via ramble because I never thought I'd get to go. I will say, I'm looking for top lame things to do energy. I am currently disabled with a broken pelvis that is healing, I can walk well enough with my Cane but I'd rather not FLING my body around so no coasters unless they are literally for babies. Hopefully someone familiar with knott's sees this, or jenny can weigh in because I KNOW she knows the best non body flinging things to do c: cheers!

The fact that "fans" who have never even been to the park before are so ride-or-die for it on a purely conceptual basis...while the actual employees are willing to talk candidly about their negative experiences, and even give gifts to cool youtubers they like that have been less than complimentary of the place they work... Red flags. Red flags aplenty.

yes... thank you I will watch your feature length bonus evermore video :)

Hey just want to say - I am that llama and I fucking HATE my job

i am so excited to watch this after work

I cheered when there were t-shirts, what a triumph

Jenny: "$1000" Me: *tries to remember how much a thousand dollars is in Evermore lore before realizing it's actual US money*

A 2 hour long bonus video about evermore is like one of the best things that happened this yr. Also, does anyone else hear that weird sound in the background of the park footage? Like a cross between a cricket and a car alarm? It's driving me a bit bonkers lol

justice for maxwell he did nothing wrong

Honestly I'm so happy for you that they finally made the shirts and totes available.

A follow up to your best video? Can’t wait!

I feel bad but the llama having a temper tantrum is so cute

that’s what it is! evermore reminds me of that one episode of hotel hell with the “posh” gay couple and their mansion overlooking the town

I can not believe that they actually had a code-translating quest that resolved in the equivalent of "Don't forget to drink your ovaltine." That's incredible.

this video is my convergence event thank you jenny we love you but not in a parasocial way like with evermore fans and their unpaid actors (ALLEGEDLY)

stained glass in the teenage run restaurant but not the church i cant stop thinking about that

Jenny's friends loving the archway, that's character development.

I can’t believe people are actually traveling to Evermore because of your OG video. When I first watched it I thought “if I’m ever near Provo for work or something, I’ll stop by just to say I went” but the fact that your scathing review is functioning as advertising is such a wild case of all publicity is good publicity lmao

I will say that from what I can glean, going to an event location and playing DnD w a celebrity DM can be quite costly. $1000 still seems like a lot if you're not getting accomodations included, and it certainly doesn't explain why the GA guests would pay $80 to hang out w the DnD folks after their games ended, though.

I hereby give my express written permission/encouragement to post any and all of your work wherever the heck you like. *big thumbs up*

The absolute joy and rapture upon seeing the merch was exactly the boost I needed today. Thanks Jenny!

Going super autistic mode, flapping my hands from excitement.

The sound that came from my body when I saw the runtime… you’re a legend Jenny.

Evermore is looking like its moving toward an open puzzle/adventure story thing, which is sort of what I'd prefer it to be. The actors and seasons can add enough fresh activity to keep locals and fans coming but if there's a several hour long puzzle throughout the grounds, people can come to solve that for one or two days. If anyone's been to Columbus COSI's Adventure, this is what I'd want Evermore to be like. A somewhat linear puzzle with layers that can take one or two trips to complete. With the buttons, and papers out, and languages and everything they're inching towards that.

"there are still no park maps ... at least not like the brochures that you can carry around and put in your binder" because everyone obviously has a binder of park maps they collect. although honestly, people subscribed to jenny on patreon are an extremely likely subset of the population where that is true.

One aspect of this that I never get over is how cringy the whole “fake English-ish” village thing is lol. The accents range from horrific to iffy, and take me by surprise every time. No hate to the actors though, I’m sure they and the guests all enjoy that part of playing pretend.

How? Why? What did I do to deserve this gift? (weeps, hands shaking)

thanks jenny! im so excited to watch💕

it was so sad to hear that those employees who went above and beyond for you got fired :(

Yesssss!!!! 2+ hours 🥹

1:12:00 I wonder if he felt an aura of dread run through him, like when a Ringwraith passes by

but also jenny please understand i can never be evermore'd out. i have watched the OG video so many times already.

Considering the alpaca, and previously-employed chickens, I'm kind of surprised that even if Evermore doesn't want to have a bunch of actors giving quests that they don't have like... random farmers and townspeople, maybe with animals that you can interact with, and something like pony rides? I get that there could definitely be an issue of sanitation, but those things still feel like a relatively inexpensive way of making the place feel more "lived in" and having little activities.

The investigative journalism we needed

Was Kiersten there? Did she play with you, like her favorite broken toy in her toybox?

Now, I'm just imagining what a Jenny Nicholson event at Evermore would be like. I mean, I know it's never going to happen, for obvious reasons, but like what if it did? Ideally, I would want it to be almost exactly the same experience as the Quincy event, but without the false advertisement (allegedly). So, the VIP tickets would offer things like, "Day 1: Nothing. Day 2: Mediocre pizza and you get to watch an awkward D&D game," and the quests would all lead to obvious ads for a book that doesn't exist, or maybe for G Fuel if that deal can be resurrected. Then, on the last day, she could come out, answer two questions nobody asked, and then run away.

I can't believe that that one promo thing at the beginning misspelled "The Lucky Gryphon" as "The Luck Gryphon". I noticed it because I thought the name sounded bizarre and must be some "Quincy lore thing" but NOPE, they just spelled it wrong and didn't proofread it.

i love the first evermore video so getting another 2.5 hours of evermore content???? Best day ever -- thank you so much!

It's so weird they have *a* llama and this pretty big paddock that looks hastily made in an out of the way place, it's almost like someone was like "hey we're having llamas now" and they just started doing that without figuring out all the logistics

They need to reopen as a fancy pumpkin farm. Or Halloweentown!!!

no pressure qween but if that barbie video’s still in the works now is a good time to post to capitalize on the movie’s popularity ;)

It's shocking that those buildings are still partially unfinished after all this time. Even just little things. Thank you for sharing the Maxwell story arc! I didn't know I needed that in my life.

It’s now four am but I have no regrets. That guy’s maxwell impression at the end was perfect

Jenny this was so freaking good and funny thank you <3

So excited for the return of Evermore! As to the end of the vid where you talk about people who just seem to ignore all the bad for the glimmer of good they might get out of the park, this is something I've noticed in all facets of DnD/LARP/Fantasy in general for some reason. A fantasy movie will be absolutely awful but the "true nerds" will say it's amazing, and other similar things. It's like they're so starved for anything nerdy that they'll just blindly accept it as perfect when they finally do get it.

i can’t get enough of evermore content honestly. also huge respect to jenny for getting so mad about worker exploitation. p.s. incredible maxwell impression at the end there

i'm just floored that they marked closed buildings as "cast members only" like ken, sir, you are not disney

Um, can someone point me to this second channel??

This place.....seems very fixable? The quest aspects are so conceptually aligned with Escape Rooms. Evermore could license out Beginner + Intermediate 'quests' to escape rooms across the country so that 'players' can stay connected with the park and make progress while in between visits. The regional escape rooms are responsible for updating player achievements through a web portal that the 'players' can track. Have the Epic quests only located at the park itself, so that 'players' have to physically be present at the park once a season to obtain 'max level'. Turn some of the buildings into 'quest rooms' and/or bring in some of those trailer things that escape rooms often use. Drop the cover charge like Jenny mentions in the video and just charge to do the escape/quest rooms. Hell if you're really strapped for cash you can even put micro-transactions in the quest rooms themselves to incorporate digital cosmetic items that appear on your avatar while you're doing the escape room (and of course they could print money with a pay to win cash shop as well.) Once per year have a tournament that all 'max level' players can enter, where you set up two escape rooms and two teams race to complete the quest. It's set up as a PvEvP match where the goal is to complete the quest but you can also do things that will slow the progress of your opponent. (Something similar to Gambit in Destiny if you're familiar). The team that wins each year gets to have a portrait of them hung above the fireplace in the Guild Tavern all year!

Such a shame you no longer have the option to fight the chef.

Maxwell dancing to presumably a Beatles cover, amazing

Noooooo. I need all the details of this zombie park's escapades. Looking forward to the updated posting. The Evermore videos are in the same strata as Folding Ideas, Burbeck's Ghost Ktichen Video, and Coffeezilla for me. Except Evermore is built on wishful thinking AND what seems to be IMO, deception. Great work.

Very excited to get an update on Evermore :) thanks Jenny!

I just got to Jenny saying "I think you guys will enjoy this backstory" and it cut out lol Hopefully it'll be back soon! I was really enjoying it.

The most jarring thing in this video is that Jenny uses discord on light mode

What's the deal with them stealing real people's tombstones and repurposing them as a theme park curiosity? Is there some possibility that the tombstone I paid money for so my family can remember me turning up in 100 years at some shitty theme park for people to make fun of?

You know... It's kind of insane to me that they didn't make the chapel a high priority thing to finish (if not before opening at least very soon after). I mean, if there's enough space inside, there's money to be made as a wedding venue.

saw the alert for this pop up on my phone and let out an audible gasp of joy, I've watched the original video like 3 times now and I'm so excited to watch this

i havent finished the video yet so no idea if Jenny mentions it but Evermore are apparently doing a dinner show this Halloween based on their original Ripper's Cove concept and I'm doing a PhD on Jack the Ripper-themed tourist attractions and DYING that I can't go

why did the menus make me so sad

This is the best value on patreon.

It seems sad, still

SORRY BUT OK that fact that one of the riddles is just an ad for Quincy’s cookbook is making me laugh SO MUCH it’s seriously giving “remember to drink your Ovaltine” and I love it

the scream i scrumpt when i saw this

2+ hour BONUS vid?!? ahhhh thank you!!

so exciting!!! thank you so much!

I couldn’t sleep, and now I’m grateful that I’m still awake for this.

I don't think I've ever felt as much joy as when I saw how long this video is

Girl it's so late - thank you

I've never been happier to be a patron!!

Yay!!!! 🥳 I was just listening to the Evermore video while I did my dishes this evening. Can't wait to see what's changed!

Starting my day off right in CET - thanks Jenny!!

TWO AND A HALF HOURS

Best news I’ve had all week, only downside I have to start work in half an hour. Thank god for working from home

I did add chapters but it's not populating them on the video; this must be the disrespect small channels are forced to suffer. But if you click through to the tube you'll find timestamps in the description

Oh sweet just in time to keep my insomnia company, thank you Jenny!

I am loving this surprise drop in the middle of the night

YEEESSSSS

we are spoiled babes!

Christmas in July!