Ramble: Reasons people hate Disney

Went mad looking for this video, almost convinced I was hallucinating about Jenny talking about Tarzan, and this title definitely gives no clue. Permanently bookmarked now!

The reason Lady's design slaps so hard is she was designed by Iwao Takamoto, the same person who did Scooby Doo and many other iconic cartoon dogs like Krypto, Muttley, and Astro from the Jetsons!

I watched Luca. It was okay.

i think if one of the a24 directors got jenny to screenwrite a good escape from tomorrow equivalent, a true contemporary theme park horror, it would be the best film of the decade. no one can prove me wrong, her cultural critique is so good that she has people memeing on a support beam a full year after release. i don't even think im exaggerating

I didn't know about the "Welcome Home" thing, but it goes along with the scam of a timeshare, where you delude yourself into thinking you own the place.

I lowkey thought the Tarzan velociraptor episode was a fever dream

Not yet having watched the Escape From Tomorrow vid (I'm working backwards thru the timeline), it was only today I realized that I have been mentally substituting "Ronald Moore" for "Randy Moore" and thinking, wow she must have really hated Battlestar Galactica! (Which is entirely possible, but unrelated lol)

Just btw Luca is fantastic. It's not gay but it's just such a good movie and I do really think you should give it a try !!!

I’m surprised there was no mention of Disney’s racism/cultural insensitivity, specifically with how much they profit off of Indigenous culture. No comments either but I think it’s a huuuge one. Great ramble though! (I know this is years late but ofc going through the backlog)

Luca is one of my fav disney movies 😭😭♥️♥️♥️ it was just immediately so endearing to me

Luca is actually fantastic. Its very simple and i think people were disinterested in that. But its beautifully simple.

I think I'm irritated by both the people who double down on either hating Disney or loving it and being unable to think critically about their opinions. There are things *about* Disney I hate, but the pure joy I felt riding Dinosaur for perhaps the final time as the only one in my row can't be matched by anything. Unrelated, I have to close my eyes and count to ten every time you call Atlantis a bad movie, but I can be civil about this.

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Sorry Jenny. Can’t agree with your wreck it ralph hot take. I watched the Tarzan tv series. Cant remember anything about the show except for being the show I watched getting ready for school or something like that.

It makes me so happy to know that the Tarzan show took inspiration from the books and just went buck-wild as fast as possible. There is at least one novel where Tarzan discovers a valley of dinosaurs, and one crossover with the author's other series where Tarzan goes to the city in the center of the earth. (I can't recommend the books without a big warning for 1910s racism but it honestly makes me laugh how badly Burroughs gets it when he's clearly trying hard to be kind)

I actually really like Luca, it’s a good story and just low key fun. Gorgeous as well

I'm enjoying this but surprised how many ads there are considering it's a patreon video (I've hit about 4 and I'm halfway through). Kinda putting me off watching :/

...I watched Tarzan and Jane as a kid. And the sequel. And loved it. I was easily impressed by animated animals lol

Catching up on bonus videos and I laughed so hard when you said the Evermore video would be "about 90 minutes"

Atlantis and Brother Bear being listed in the bad movie group hurts me, jenny

Haha hearing the Tarzan story lore from the direct to video sequels 🤣🫶🏻

Everything about this video 😭😭

absolutely heartbroken Jenny is anti chicken little.

I know I’m late to this video but I’m surprised you didn’t cite things like wokeness, forced diversity, satanism, and pedophilia. I mean they’re all dumb, nonsensical reasons to hate Disney but that’s the vibe I was expecting for this video.

Space mountain is my favourite because when I was a child in the 90s, at the start of all the Disney movie videos there was an advert for space mountain at Disneyland Paris which made is seem so exciting and cool. But my parents couldn't afford to take me. So it's my favourite just cause I waited over 20 years for it.

Late to the party on this video!!!! I neither love nor hate disney. When I was a child I disliked the gender stereotyping so I avoided watching disney and now it just isn't my thing. I liked pixar a lot, but more from their pre-disney era. I am from the UK and there was a lot of suspicion of and distain for disney because it was a big American corporation and there was a fear that it would encourage US english in children, so that also kind of put me off. As an adult I don't feel strongly either way but I like Jenny's disney vids. I think the theme parks sound fun.

My child understanding of Lady and the Tramp (but moreso Bambi) (and even Lion King) was noticing that women were associated with domestication (and wearing species-inappropriate eyeshadow) and men were associated with adventure (and looking scruffy), and when a couple comes together, they always go the domestication route. It sat really weird with me... I felt like I was fated to become a sexual yet boring creature.

is it valid to say space mountain is my favorite just because it makes me really happy and i feel like a kid again and it takes away the impending stress of graduating high school and having to be an adult because it reminds me that fun won't die as easily as i expect it too also i try to ride all the rides when i go so that applies to a lot of them but something about space mountain makes me go from ":)" to ":D" you know what i mean

Ms. Nicholson (just joined Patreon btw SO excited to watch the exclusive vids!) how dare you say Chicken Little is a bad movie when it literally is a cinematic masterpiece.

Disney has a bad tendency to be anti labor so that's my no. 1 reason to be upset with them.

My negative takeaway from childhood (which i still think is accurate) is how often the female counterpart is the sexual power and also the adventure ending power. Lady convinces Tramp to be domesticated, all the eyeshadow wearing forest animals in Bambi, even Nala who is probably the best is like "return to come and duties and sexy grass time".

This Ramble earns its name and I love it!

Do people really go 'yay' when Disney buy up a property? I dislike corporations by default, that doesn't mean I don't like the content they produce - I love many of Disney's classic movies, but I dislike that when they buy up a property they put their own brand on it, santising it, and from a fan perspective can be a rather negative effect. I'm sad about the affect being bought by Disney had on Pixar (Luca was great but I think Pixar would have been brave enough to make the gay coding clearer if they weren't under the Disney umbrella). The biggest one for me though is The Muppets. I'm a huge Muppets fan and I'm so sad at how underused and misused they've been recently, and sad that the Jim Henson company's failure to get mainstream success with their replacement puppet characters. I understand they're a corporation, but I really think they should be a bit more generous to the smaller properties they own. They have so much money they could please a whole lot of fans without impacting their bottom line more than a tenth of a percent. Similarly I think they have a responsibility to preserve the art of beautiful 2D animation; I like Frozen and Moana but they still don't sit alongside the hand drawn classics for me with the aesthetic disconnect and the fact that they seem so much cheaper to make.

Disney should disappoint the gays AND straights by making Elsa blatantly asexual.

I watched Luca and as a queer person was really touched by it. It really felt like an accurate emotional representation of what being in the closet feels like. But I’m not going as far to give Disney props for finally making a gay movie more than I was encouraged by that while the story couldn’t be overtly queer, there were clearly queer people who were part of the development of this film got to get more of their message across and tell a story with way more aspects of their perspectives than they usually do. I think it’s a great start, and you’re right it’s 2021 it should be more than that by now but at this point I’m taking what I can get.

watching this to fall asleep. goodnight ♡

I have a deep appreciation and nostalgia for the Disney Princess movies, but the sexist-adjacent issue is their sizeism. It's not hard to see the harmful impacts of showing kids just one type of acceptable "princess" body.

I am only 18 minutes through this ramble but I just wanted to say that I've watched Luca 4 times and it's really adorable! It's peaceful and heartwarming and charming. Much recommend.

I'm way late to this but just needed to say that I've never seen Tarzan, but I have seen that awful sequel. My friend was appalled I'd never seen Tarzan at all, so when we were on a plane together she made me watch the sequel on her tablet. An absolutely baffling decision on her part, and I've still never bothered to watch the original.

I was going to say "I remember a Tarzan cartoon! There was a sorceress in it!" Lo and behold, Queen La is indeed a thing and The Legend of Tarzan for some reason included a surprising amount of magic.

Nah, Wreck-It Ralph is hot garbage, I'm insulted by you putting Brother Bear and Atlantis on that list. They're not perfect, but I think Brother Bear has a lot of heart and I generally like the songs (It feels like Tarzan-level to me, considering how similar they are in that regard). The only part I didn't like were the comic relief moose. And Atlantis is one of those movies where it's better when you see it as an adult, I think. The characters stand out more; though the last third or so IN Atlantis isn't very good. I get it being something that a kid might think of as "boring". I could BARELY find anyone like me who hated Wreck-It Ralph, but you totally nailed it with saying it's "noisy". There are like no breaks in dialogue and I can't think of a joke that I thought was funny. It feels a lot like adult Youtubers who have child audiences. I genuinely don't remember the ending, and I'm a big movie crier. Apparently not for Pixar though.

Best example of 1960s futurism is Portal 2 I love it so much

i think the "they've only seen the bad movies" thing is probably a little more common than you'd think. i once had a disney fanatic friend show me lion king 1 1/2 under the pretense that it was as good as or better than the lion king. i think it's probably pretty common for someone to just be so far down the disney rabbit hole that they can no longer really discern much difference in quality among the movies, and then they end up showing their friends a bunch of the bad ones.

Luka is both simple AND super lovely and sweet

I have only been to disney (the florida one) once. I was a tween so felt i was too old for it, hadn’t grown up on the movies (i still don’t know if i’ve seen the 90s classic movies but def did see lady and the tramp because we had it on vhs), and i was sweating the entire time and so were my parents who were also annoyed at how expensive everything was so they were crabby. Really thrilling rollercoasters give me headsaches (bc of a medical condition) so yeah kinda a terrible time. Probably my worst vacation.

I think the core reasoning of this ramble is very sound! also: cursed, very specific reason one might hate disney: getting named after a character, and then having people do a Bit every time you introduce yourself

they gay conversation is so true. Look at the Nickelodeon cartoon The Loud House. an animated show for kids with a sister who goes on a date with a girl, and a friend who has two dads. Nickelodeon never made it a PR moment, they just showed up in the series. If you are gonna make it gay, just make it gay and don't make it a big deal.

Wreck it Ralph has one of the emotionally gutting scenes in all of Disney's canon. When Ralph destroys the car while Vanellope looks on helpless to stop him. It's almost traumatic for me as a viewer. It's such an effective use of sound. I think maybe you and a small contingent of people just don't like John C Reilly or Sarah Silverman's voices, which, fair.

I don't think you can say, "Lady & The Tramp" is old who cares when they just released a live action, CG take on the same. They obviously still think the story speaks to modern audiences.

I have distinct memories of watching the Tarzan TV show as a kid, it was insane.

i'm not gonna scroll through all these comments to see if anyone else has this semantic point to make but in the books, there WAS a settlement a few days away from where tarzan grew up. there were also deeply, profoundly racist tribes of indigenous black people for tarzan to be compared to by the narrator. go in knowing that they were written when the idea of evolution and the science of thumbprint analysis were new, and accepting that they're going to be offensive in every way you can think of, and the books are a very fun read.

i'm here for the mars needs moms slander, it is genuinely the worst movie in the entire world.

i personally loved luca. i just thought it was very sweet, simple fun. definitely worth watching, in my opinion

Luca is good, just a simple, refreshing summer movie. Nothing wild just good fun.

Luca's good! Very ~warm summer memories~ movie. Cute but very enjoyable!

Jenny, Tarzan and Jane is not a failed tv pilot. The TV show was made. And it was okay.

I think we had Tarzan and Jane on dvd when I was a kid, and I fully forgot about it til now. It was SO bad. (Luca, though, was good! Sort of a chill movie with a sweet atmosphere.)

The way that no one is defending brother bear in the comments hurts me

I got 19 minutes in before realizing that Randy Moore is not Randy Marsh.

Luca felt like a 100 minute long pixar short

I remember really liking the Tarzan show. We had to get up crazy early for school and it was always on that Disneyxd channel or whatever it was called.

I always thought that they just didn't directly endorse any fan-organized days, but acknowledged that they know when they happen with food and merch. They put out the Halloween treats and Nightmare Before Christmas stuff for Bat's Day the same way (I've never been to Gay Day tho so can't directly compare)

loved the tarzan and jane side ramble, but the Atlantis bit came for my heart

I've tried to re-watch Wreck-it Ralph twice since first viewing, and you hit the nail on the head. I couldn't get half way through it either time and couldn't put my finger on it as to why, but yes, it's the noise. All of the background noise is on 10 at almost all times and the characters are yelling to be heard through it.

this ramble slapped :)) i havent seen wreck it ralph in years but i really liked it as a kid and i dont wanna revisit it and realise it's actually not that good, so i'll be living in blissful ignorance thank you very much ahaha

This is true unprocessed energy of a ramble and I love every second.

This has been my favorite ramble so far!

I personally thought Luca was a cute movie that is harmless and fun to watch.

Petitioning to sit slightly offscreen with a giant palm frond to cool Jenny off

I suggested this topic and i gotta say... this ... this is what i wanted

I really liked Luca it was cute! Also the characters are pretty young so I'm fine with their sexuality not being explored, it's not like they sideline the gay story for a straight one - everyone is just pals

“It feels like a Dreamworks movie.” Oof! 😂

i had so much fun watching this ramble!! now i'm gonna go watch tarzan&jane and not have any fun

HOW DARE YOU COME FOR WRECK IT RALPH. HOW DARE YOU.

Great ramble! The Little Mermaid is so sexist though 😳

As someone who grew up going to Six Flags, I didn't like Disney out of like, theme park rivalry. I know comparing Disney World to Six Flags Great America might sound silly, but I never got to go to Disney and I don't think you can bring an empty can of Pepsi to the front gate to get $20 off your ticket there. But honestly, growing up and watching people on Youtube, especially stuff like Defunctland, kind of makes me appreciate the bigger parks like Disney and Universal more, the spectacle and all of the time and effort spent into making them. And as a fan of the kitschy, carnival, home-town amusement parks I do love things like Dino USA.

I'm going to raise a child with Tarzan and Jane as not only their only Disney movie they've ever seen, but the only *movie* they've ever seen.

I like Disney to an extent, but here are some of my issues with them that weren't mentioned. I guess the first two of these fall under the evil company with friendly façade one. Firstly, I don't like how they basically got copyright laws extended. It now takes way too long for things to fall into public domain. Another thing under this umbrella is the whole ignoring Song of the South. Honestly, put it on dvd, get some people to provide historical background stuff with it, and don't market it to kids. Warner brothers did it with some of the Looney Tunes cartoons. Just don't pretend it didn't happen. Last reason is a bit different. Disney had some great movies over the years, but I do feel like they unfairly shadow other animation that is just a good if not better. Wow that was longer than I intended.

There is some serious Atlantis slander in this post and in my opinion it invalidates the entire ratings system. 0/10.

Sometimes I still try to watch kids films because I don't want to be a cynical being who can't see the magic and joy of them, but I've been really struggling to enjoy anything Disney/Pixar has put out in the past few years. I definitely think it has to do with an inability to rectify the poor pacing of kids movies as an adult, but I also find the animation less charming and the noise level, both audio-wise and visually, to be overwhelming and unappealing. Luca was the first in a while that I thought of as pretty, though it felt like they didn't focus on any one storyline enough for it to be compelling as an adult(not that I think it needed or was trying to be).

Saw the Carpetbagger video on Evermore. Get them.

This video was so confusing without a numbered list.

Disney's always been eh for me cause I just don't like musicals and the parks I would absolutely never want to go to cause it's just way too many people, but it's insane to me that there's people who don't at LEAST appreciate the insane amount of preparation and structure that the parks have

i saw luca and liked it, it is queer coded but the director explicitly said he was trying to depict a platonic friendship but … replace the word gay with sea monsters and you wouldn’t have to change any other dialogue, kind of like how kenny ortega wanted ryan in hsm to be in the closet bc that was his experience in school, much the same vibes of “figuring it out” i guess, anyway i did cry at it

I like how you mentioned the monopoly. It’s so apparent that when I was trying to explain monopolies to my 15 year old sister she was like “Ohh kind of like Disney?”

yeah the big ones that you forgot are union busting and the destruction of the public domain

GREAT RAMBLE. As a weird kinda life long Disney person (first movie I remember going to was a rerelease of Bambi, and I must have gone to Disneyland with family as a child and teen 10 times, and an additional 5 or so as an adult and eventually catch up with most of their animation, tho there are a solid number of major releases of Disney/Pixar I haven't seen: Big Hero 6, Frozen II, Tangled, Good Dinosaur, Up, Moana, Pocohantas AND despite being LGBTQ, just saw Little Mermaid for the first time), I don't hate them (obviously), but also see the evil bits and what not, and Jenny did a great job towing that line. I've never been to DisneyWorld which is maybe not typical of someone as engaged with Disney, but hey, I'm West Coast. I am not a Disney Adult, because people who know me in a "acquaintance way" know me for other things. Also, is being into Marvel a Disney thing really? Or Star Wars? Like, yea they bought them, but I was already into them? Finally, I don't really get the hate for Disney Adults. I watch many of their Youtube stations and enjoy the vicarious thrills (without having to pay the money). Like my main vibe with Disney Adults is YOU DO YOU and thanks for documenting it. Maybe I particularly like Disney Adults who are also Youtubers, and have no opinion on the rest of them (Except my friends who are, who I have a positive opinion of). Also, I'm LGBTQ but haven't watched Luca yet, so will have to do that and form an opinion, but expect to not be offended one way of the other.

I am VERY excited about the barbie video, but I'm slightly glad that it's been delayed so that I can finish re-watching all of the movies with my sister before your video comes out <3

I hate Disney mainly because of their shady legal practices (including banning the excellent book How to Read Donald Duck from US publication, not to mention their copyright litigiousness), and for their monopolizing and homogenizing ways. For the films and other media, simple kids movies aren't really something that interests me much, but I don't really hate them.

Wreck-It Ralph surpassed Frozen in my son's toddlerhood, it's his most-obsessed Disney movie and we watched it twice a day almost every day for like a year and a half. I never actually thought of it as noisy before! I like it visually, I think it's a joy to walk by and catch a few moments. Cars 1 was much harder on me when he entered that stage of movie-to-watch-on-repeat. I'm not a hardcore fan or anything. It was always annoying how it was harder to find Wreck-It Ralph toys since my kiddo was so singularly focused on it back then. But yeah... my main observation is that the movie was totally rewatchable for me as a stay at home parent!

I feel like Luka was kinda similar to a Ghibli movie like Kiki's delivery service or Ponyo, cute and lighthearted with a nice message but mostly very very pretty!! I think it's worth a watch.

Was it intentional that this video was set as "for kids" or was that a YouTube thing? :-T

How could you just casually admit you liked Pocahontas 2 and not elaborate??

Luca is so amazing! I think the reason it’s not explicitely gay is that it’s semi-autobiographical. Well, as semi-autobiographical as a movie about sea monsters can get. But yeah, it’s not so muxh that it’s queer CODED — since that would imply intention — as it carries an unintentional queer allegory. Rowan Ellis, La’Ron Readus, and Council of Geeks all explained this pretty well.

I liked the Tarzan show but I don't remember any of those episode summaries lmao

The Tarzan ramble had me on the floor. I’m not a high enough tier for voting, but if all the bad cars would please vote for more bonkers things like this for Jenny to talk about, this lowly spider would be very grateful.

That rant about Loki's 60's office satire is spot on. It reminds me of people born in the 90's onwards feeling "nostalgia" for the 80's.

Looking back that Tarzan series was crazy, but also pretty cool.

I'm not American and I didn't grow up with many of the movies, so to me Disney represents that kind of media that doesn't really stick with you. I've seen most of the animated movies as I got older. I do appreciate all the artistry in them and think they're mostly well made, but not really that sort of thing you'd think back on much. I've never been to the parks, but imagine it's sort of the same. Relative to going to a real place with history where people live and stuff, I mean. I'd love to see a Disney park once, though. Can't say I hate Disney. Pixar on the other hand... lol

me 5min in: "I'm not sure who Randy Moore is, but i'm sure it won't come up again in the video so it's fine"

As a gay woman, I also really liked Luca! I really enjoyed the themes and supporting characters. The coding was really heavy handed lol: they should’ve just made it gay like you said. I think if you have the time it wouldn’t be a waste of a few hours~

This is related to the "culty" one: People who make Disney their entire personality. If all the media you consume is Disney and all you know how to talk about is Disney and you attach value to yourself an others based on how much they like/know about Disney, I'm not gonna like you. This is a thing that happens with lots of interests and fandoms (weed, cars, video games, star wars, etc.) but I feel like it's more prevalent/encouraged when it comes to Disney.

I'm so glad I'm not alone in thinking Wreck-it Ralph is not very good.

As one of the poor souls in WA State, I found your state of mind to be top notch. My wife is watching the Lion Guard show on D+, in Japanese no less, and I am just like "yup".

I hate Disney because they still haven't hired Jenny as a creative consultant

devastated by this wreck it Ralph and Atlantis slander but I understand we all have our hot takes

Wait. Is The Little Mermaid a Horse Girl story?

atlantis slaps and i will die by that and it's definitely not a combination of nostalgia and being very gay for the mechanic as a six year old.

Let’s be generous and cut Randy Moore a little slack maybe? He had a problematic dad and there was perhaps some foresight in portraying a pandemic at Disney, how the parks might handle them, and how little regard for life the visitors might have in being thoughtlessly desperate to get back to them.

I suppose the difference with Luca is that it was never really marketed as having gay characters? It wasn't the directors intent to make it so so queer coded apparently, but here we are! It's a very cute film I enjoyed a lot, and while it is very simple, that's not really a downside as much of a strength? Idk you said you hadn't really heard people raving about it so here's me raving about it!

I really enjoyed your thoughts in this video!! I think that this and the latest Jenny's Choice ramble have been my favorite patreon videos you've made so far!

I am so hyped for this evermore video

Can I just say that I kind of loved the lengthy segue into the Tarzan TV series? This video is yet more proof that Jenny can make me interested in hearing about just about anything.

WATCH LUCA ITS REALLY GOOD AND CUTEE

All these recommendations for Luca changed my mind. Initially I didn't want to watch it because the animation style really bugged me but then I realized that was a Randy Moore small-minded mentality so I gave it a watch. It was okay but could've been a lot better if as Jenny said they were gay and sea monsters.

Luca is really great!

I remember that Tarzan series

I watched Tarzan and Jane as you instructed. Well, I watched 2/3 of it before nope-ing out. And BTW, this is a highly entertaining ramble. I am on my second viewing. I am convinced that you cannot make a bad ramble.

Never heard of evermore park before. Looking forward to learning about it and maybe spill some tea

Very excited for evermore and the disneyland vlog!

now THIS is a ramble,

I liked Luca fine, but tiktok LOVED Luca. It’s all I see on my fyp.

I totally watched the tarzan show and from my vague memories of it, its pretty buckwild. I loved Luca but yeah it should have been in-text gay. Disney is too cowardly even on this Disney+ exclusive movie they've really not advertised/tie-inned much at all. If Disney/general kids films were making a ton of canonically gay stuff it would be fine but we do not live in that world so I understand people being mad about it. Still like one of my fave pixar films I'd say- I feel like I would have been really crazy about it as a heavily closeted kid- and still been allowed to watch it by my conservative parents.

That’s really funny that people were thinking about flying to Pleasant Grove, Utah to visit a theme park. Semi-popular with the locals, and it had a lot of potential (if they figured out how to get newbies interacting better). But it was comparatively pretty small even at its height. I’m sure you’re going to cover all of this. I wish they got more capital investments I guess. Maybe they still could.

Jenny stepping into politics! That's an interesting development, but careful. There they be dragons. It's a very materialist-legible argument you put out for what that's worth.

“Worst”!? That was an incredible ramble! Highly amusing/entertaining… especially the Tarzan tangent, and the Randy-Moore-roasting. Back in my student days (i.e., the late-90s) I was very anti-Disney because of the old-timey racism in some of the films and Walt Disney’s anti-union attitudes/activities, but that’s water under the bridge now, and I’ve enjoyed a lot of the modern movies since then (including “Wreck-It Ralph”, though that’s mostly for Sarah Silverman’s voice-work), and even bought some merch for my shelves. I’ve still never been to any of the theme parks, but that’s mostly for financial/geographical reasons, rather than political ones! I’m sure I saw a couple episodes of the “Tarzan” show when it aired here in the UK, because the descriptions you read rang a bell, but only a very faint, distant one…

Jenny you might like Luca. It's so cute. It's like such good escapism, especially if you like Italy and Italian food. Plus it's not that long and it's an easy watch so I'd recommend at least giving it a try

The people who hate Disney because it's capitalist are so annoying. Are some of their points valid? Sure. But this weird holier than thou attitude that some of them have is just bs. Like those people who refuse to get Disney+ who think they're somehow beating the system. Like you still have Netflix and Amazon Prime. How is that better?

I thought this was a great ramble! Speaking of things that got "put on the back burner" I would still love to see a full video on The Book of Henry. You've mentioned it in a couple of other videos but I think it merits a full video of its own.

Me and my fiance have a private playlist of all of your videos to leave on in the background, but we can't add this one because it's a "kids video?" I was wondering if there was a reason for that, or if you could change it? It's not a huge deal, we have so many other videos to watch. I didn't know how to ask this without sounding rude, I hope it doesn't come off that way. Thank you! :D

LOL, I love how so many of the comments end up being about that swine Randy Moore. Can't let that one go can you Jenny? Actually, that's how I first became a fan. I was telling my daughter that there was some indy film about Disney that I had heard about and wanted to see and she pointed me to Jenny's video about Escape from Tomorrow. I've been a big fan ever since (and am eternally grateful for Jenny saving me from wasting 90 minutes of my life watching that movie).

I love this so far but haven't watched the whole video so maybe she'll discuss it but I just feel like commenting now: I'm an IT consultant and although I've never worked in entertainment one of the consulting firms I worked for had a big entertainment practice and in the early 2000's I interacted with them because they needed people who knew about the Internet. A common joke when it came to Disney was that the people who worked there (not at the park but the people who did IT and I think the creative people doing animation, CGI, etc.) used to call it "Mousechwitz" because it was such an awful place to work.

I love the middle/working class luxury analysis. I would just extend it, because I think that's exactly what all the cruise lines and all-inclusive resorts are doing, too. This actually reminded me of a Verlaine poem from the 1870s about poor villagers spending their last penny on a Sunday carnival merry-go-round before trudging back to their hopeless lives. [Chevaux de bois - 1874]. Disney, ripping off other cultures again...

I really enjoyed Luca. The coding was still more heartfelt and nuanced than any of Disney's flaccid attempts of actual representation in film

The episode(s) of Tarzan where Jane gets possessed made me borderline bisexual ngl

Luca was better than I expected honestly, and in my gay opinion, pretty gay, either intentionally or unintentionally.

I'm so excited for these long videos, both rambles and main channel 💜

this was a great ramble, and the tarzan detour was the icing on the cake. i watched raya and luca on the same day. raya had better adventure, but luca had better comedy. i think i ended up liking luca more for that reason. the pixar bar is just set really high. luca is no finding nemo, but it's for sure worth a look

Ok, yes I have seen the Tarzan tv show. But I only remember one episode- There's an old-fashioned Hollywood director who wants to make a movie about how Tarzan and Jane met. So he decides to film I in the jungle bringing actors to play all of the Tarzan movie characters EXCEPT FOR TARZAN. They decided they want Tarzan to be playing himself. So the entire episode they just teach Tarzan how to act but he really sucks at it- there's one point he needs to kiss the actress who plays Jane but he's like: "I don't want to kiss you. I love Jane, I don't love YOU!". And everyone's like "no Tarzan you need to pretend it's Jane!"- and that's just how most of the episode goes. I think in the ending the production gives up and they leave.

I watched the Tarzan TV show! it was on at our childminders before school so i saw like all of it. I remember it was how i learned that cinematic film is very flammable. I don't remember why that was in the TV show.

That was a rambly (in a good way) ramble lol. It's fun having a more laid-back, freeform video every now and again. Towards the end of the Tarzan and Jane tangent I was getting so into it that I had to remind myself what the main topic was lmao. The upcoming bonus vlog sounds fun! (And geez, I swear the fur-bearing trout looks like he's going after the barbie princesses like he's the shark from Jaws or something.)

I was eating dinner while watching this ramble and had to repeatedly pause the video during the Tarzan detour because I was going to choke on my laughter :") Thank you for this gift

Also, I loved that dang Tarzan show as a kid. Saw it before the movie, I think. It was pure camp, cheesy kid's cartoon and I ate it UP. Queen Laa had like, this army of jaguar men, and she could transform people into jaguar people? And it was only in 26 episodes? It felt like so much more omg.

I saw Luca and found it aggressively mediocre (but very pretty!) Obviously the characters were too young for a proper romantic queer story to have made much sense (although I think people who trot out this line to defend this kind of thing forget that childhood crushes exist), but that line of reasoning is undermined a bit by the lingering romcom-style moments shared between Luca and the one female child character he meets as they bond over science or whatever Conceptually a mashup of The Little Mermaid, Finding Nemo, and H2O: Just Add Water except way less fun than that sounds 4/10 (I know it’s based on an Italian folk tale don’t hurt me pls)

I really thought cooler jenny was going to be using sunglasses the whole time

Bro. Jenny. You’re dead wrong. This wasn’t the worst ramble this was honestly one of my favorites. The tangents were actually my favorite parts along with the reasons.

Wait so does every disney series in that vein inexplicably have a dinosaur episode? I know the little mermaid has an episode where she finds dinosaurs frozen in ice. It seems like their go-to idea for these is just "your favourite characters are here (and also dinosaurs sometimes)"

SO hyped for the Disneyland Vlog!

Genuinely loved this ramble honestly! I really agree with the longer comment about Disney's aggressive "welcome home" type marketing strategies. I am someone who hates my job etc and it can be very tempting to disappear into that life of just dreaming about my next trip. There's no way that is less Disney's fault specifically and more a symptom of the unrepentant American working culture most people like me are stuck in. There's just a lot that brought middle class Americans into in this situation that Disney takes advantage of but isn't the architect of at the same time. It also resonates with the point about what you get for your money for people who can afford the Disney vacation. That was huge for me, especially when for most of my working life, I was given so little vacation time, even if I could afford to go overseas, it wouldn't be worth it. There are just so many factors at play, it's weird to me people think that's a reason to hate Disney or even "Disney adults". We're all trying our best under oppressive circumstances sometimes.

The best part was Jenny discovering The Tarzan animated series happened and I'd totally have just watched a whole video of her reading and commenting on this show... that allegedly exists.

Never apologise for the tangents! The Tarzan and Jane section was hilarious. If I want highly polished structured videos (with numbered lists) I can watch your main channel. We're here for rambles and you delivered!

Oh, also I'll say I really liked Luca. I didn't expect to, whatsoever. But it felt like a Miyazaki film: it's a slice-of-life that is deep by virtue of doing what it intended to do, well, instead of overextending poorly. Also, I think it's a pretty strong LGBT metaphor. I think that's WHY it went to streaming. It's a shame not to give it a chance when you're watching Barbie movies and Land Before Time sequels, honestly.

I'm pretty much on the same page with your judgement. Smart points as always, thank you for the video :)

I think with Luca you're conflating the arguments. Nobody at Disney or Pixar ever said Luca was going to be LGBT or "queer coded". This was entirely on adults projecting their desires for representation, and they insisted that the theme of the movie plus the relationship of the two boys was a hint that what it ultimately was about. Pixar had to step in and say the kids were specifically aged down so that it was more of a time of innocence before you start noticing who you're attracted to. It's kind of weird of Pixar to be slandered as the bad guy here when it's fans who project these relationships. The people angry at Luca are the same people who raged when Elsa didn't get a girlfriend. It's like holy hell people if you want representation stop looking for it in movies deliberately made for toddlers.

I loved Luca, really really deeply. I think it's upper-tier Pixar, one of their best in years. (I think I was more into it than Soul) The music was so good, the animation was maybe some of their best ever, and the smallness of the story pulled me in a ton, with maybe the best ending scene for a Pixar movie... ever. I understand people's annoyance with it being queer-coded but without fully going the extra step of having queer text, but I think it works so well as a fairytale allegory of queer experiences even besides being gay. There's a huge number of transmasc people that deeply relate to it.

I grew up quite close to a bunch of parks in SoCal but never really consumed much in the way of disney media as a kid (no cable, not that into princesses) so it was just sorta there next to Knotts, 6 flags, and Universal on like a things to do when relatives visit the US list. Its been kinda wild seeing grow into the corporate leviathan it is today. Nowadays, I find Disney and Disney takes so exhaustingly inescapable that I rarely every actually feel the need to consume the primary source. Also most of Disney, especially the culty identity centric stuff, in my head lives with other things that i consider 'white people stuff' though god help us they're trying to colonize. I guess racism is perhaps one of the things I'd say you missed and I don't particularly blame you for it as its quite complex. That being said if they every get around to representing my culture (unlikely), I honestly rather they not thanks, I don't think its possible to make anything that I would find to be genuinely culturally valuable while also trying to be Disney style marketable. DK speaking of Roosevelt the parks I've spent the most time in by far both in my youth and my current age are national parks. If you want a Defunctland style video watch the Huell Howser episode on Yosemite's Firefall, it's an old 'attraction' I've always been sad I missed out on seeing.

this was youR BEST RAMBLE. as for luca, I felt really annoyed with people saying it was gay-coded (as a Gay Person myself), basically lazy and cowardly on dis/pixar's part. THAT ASIDE i thought it was a good little tale in its own right, I cried a bit

Jenny the Tarzan & Jane rabbit hole was hilarious!! You could totally do a video on it :)

If I had to pick a reason why I hated Disney as ad corporate entity, it would definitely be the contributing role they played in establishing the shitshow of modern copyright law. That and the whole thing of aggressively pursuing monopoly. But do I hate Disney Parks? Nah, they’re fun. Do I hate their movies? I mean that’s like a third of all movies now. It’s not really productive to blame individual workers, artists, or products of a corporation on decisions made by executives well above those pay grades.

As a gay man, when Jenny was talking about Luca, which I havent seen but I have the effort to actually understand the plot and themes; I gotta say that the overt queer coding while never actually delivering on anything + disney's history with that... it makes me feel tired and even a little embarrased, to the point that I dont actually want to watch the movie anymore. Its just so exhausting

Back up back up - Tarzan lives on an ISLAND??? what is this timeline I want off

not jenny saying this was the worst ramble yet lol I enjoyed it thoroughly!

Please PLEASE do a video on the Tarzan series

Are you moving all your patreon videos to that new channel? I have a private playlist of all the rambles, and was going to listen to some today and noticed all the videos were privated. it's your content and you can do whatever. just wondering because the rambles are some of my favorite vids.

This was the BEST ramble????

Just finished my homework assignment and Tarzan & Jane was just as crazy as Jenny described! That whole lava surfing blew my mind :o Also Eleanor sure was thirsty for Tarzan!

Brother Bear is considered bottom barrel?! I loved it! Lol

I really loved Luca! If you like Ghibli movies, you'll like it.

I don't know who asked you to diss Brother Bear but please take it back.

I know nothing of evermore park but why do i fee like in a few months jenny is going to post a video about how thier lawyers want to sue her frivolously lindsey ellis/sarah z style.

Great ramble video! I loved it!

That Tarzan and Jane detour made this one of my favorite rambles, I don't know if I've ever seen someone so bewildered. They've been really good lately, glad I subbed.

I enjoyed Luca! It was perfectly lovely, and I actually teared up at the most overt gay-hinting line haha

Wait, Josh Gad is straight?

I will say there are a couple Disney/Pixar movies that were just not a big part of my childhood for unknown reasons that were very popular with the rest of my generation (Beauty and the Beast, Toy Story, Hunchback, Hercules) and so I watched them for the first time when I was older. And I will never like them/appreciate them as much as my friends do. That said...I don't *hate* those movies or Disney. I just won't choose to watch those if I'm feeling nostalgic. (If my big sister chose the movie we watched either Lion King, A Bug's Life, or the Little Mermaid. If I chose we watched Aristocats, Jungle Book, or Sleeping Beauty. I don't know what that says about us) Also went to Disney for the first time as a 17 year old. Still enjoyed it! Went back as a 20 year old. Would go back again.

I don't know if it's exactly hate but I think Disney took on too much, buying up the Star Wars franchise is an example of this. Now they own Star Wars and all they have to do is make the movies and the cash will roll in. They took on too much, I didn't watch the last movie but I did read the reviews. I have no idea how Disney decides who is going to do the script for their movies but obviously their writers are "learning as they go". So yeah, I guess I kind of hate that Disney does that, buys up something but doesn't put as much oomph into the production as the previous owner.

Multiple references to my all-time favorite, the Escape From Tomorrow video! The added context of Randy Moore’s wife being the one that hated the park - yikes!!!

Best ramble in a while, by far

Confused on your last rant point. I think like there are a ton of white-collar offices that still look much like they did twenty years ago, cubicles and computers and beige. Insurance adjusters and all that. Not everyone works at FAANG or their imitators.

I’ve met a weird amount of people other than myself who hate Disney largely because they got stuck on it’s a small world

My most controversial Disney hot take is that I liked Wreck-It Ralph much more than Inside Out

Gonna be honest I hate disneyworld 50% because even though it’s for kids I didn’t realize the rides were so slow/tame, the only reason I go to theme parks and the only thing that makes the experience worth it to me is going on the really fast spinny upside down rides. The only ride that I thought was fun (from a thrills perspective obviously I get that the artistic aspects are another thing entirely) was the rock n roller coaster but the line was so long that it was barely worth it. The other 50% is that I had a really shitty experience bc I was there at a bad time in my life with shitty friends, with whom I got stuck on it’s a small world. That sealed the deal for me never wanting to come back to Disney again. I’m sorry. I understand that these things are my personal problems I just had the worst time at disneyworld lmao

Did I miss an update about Beanie Babies? Eagerly awaiting new Jenny content :)

Regurgitating signifiers? Satire of a satire? *hyperreality intensifies* The aesthetics of postwar office culture have achieved the same kind of ahistorical status as medieval castles.

As an Italian, I felt compelled to watch Luca as soon as it was released. I enjoyed it and I see why people read it as a metaphor for gay people but I would find it weird if they made it explicitly romantic because the kids look to be around 10-12. It’s loosely inspired by a folklore tale (Colapesce) and features many Italian talents. I understand we are not a minority, but we are often subjects of demeaning and ridiculous media representations so I appreciated watching something that didn’t fall in those clichés. I would recommend watching it but do not go in expecting wall-e or up. It’s a simple story of a good summer, where there’s personal growth and the children in it are children, not “little adults”.

I know Lindsay Ellis doesn't like Wreck-It Ralph either and I'm still really curious as to why. The most specific thing I ever heard her say about it was "I didn't like the screenplay" which is still super vague. And now the only specific thing you brought up against it is "being loud" which...that can't be the only reason, right? I'm not like, a super fan of the movie or anything, I just really wish I knew what some people's problem is with it.

I love when your ramble videos go off the rails-- it fits the name and like, YES, I was thrilled to know more about tarzan 2 and the tv series lmao

Also apparently it’s a video for kids hahahah

Different channel??

Definitely had to Google who Randy Moore even is. I was like “Man, Jenny really hates this Randy Moore guy. I feel like I should know who this is...” then, “Oh, he’s the Escape from Tomorrow guy. Makes sense why Jenny hates him so much.” That’s guy and that movie just takes up 0.00% of my brain space 😂

The Luca team were definitely very proud of themselves over their not-subtle mermaid metaphor, releasing it in June etc, but if you’re not brave enough to just make them gay, your “metaphor” is just more of the red cup BS. Take our gay money while keeping plausible deniability for the homophobes. And Luca wasn’t even released in China, literally what are you afraid of

I had to stop watching earlier because it was also so hot here I became febrile and literally couldn't concentrate on the content of the video but starting from where I stopped and taking a hard left turn into Tarzan & Jane is so funny 🤣 I literally own the VHS for Tarzan & Jane I think my sisters and I watched it once as children and then we're so disappointed we never watched it again

I'm not sure if this counts as a big "reason to hate Disney" but the last time I went I got this weird feeling of it being a weird "rich people only" club, like part of the magic is that everyone's an upper middle class family doing alright for themselves. I know it isn't the most expensive vacation, but it's still in a zone where you know that the majority of the people attending can afford a several thousand dollar vacation (hell, the fact they can get vacation time at all). I can't help but feel the whole thing is this sort of an implicit "no poors allowed" vibe but executed so perfectly that you don't really notice it unless you're looking for it. I'm not saying that the Disney company has any obligation to fix this, mind you. They're a business after all. But there is some weird class fetishism which is hiding under all the pixie dust, and it does occasionally give me pause.

The Randy Moore roast video™

Howdy! Can't add this to my watch later playlist because I think it's on a second channel of yours that is marked for children, just fyi unless it is entirely intentionally :)

im gay and i cried watching Luca i thought they did a really good job with it, it was clearly made with love but yeah i will actually be shocked if we ever get a same sex kiss in a disney movie

Luca is really good imo you should watch it

I'm so excited about the Evermore Park video, I feel like it's going to be W I L D. (Also the Tarzan & Jane part was amazing, 10/10.)

I feel like people associate Disney (and more specifically Disney World) with Disney adults and that ruins the experience for certain people by association

I personally loved this ramble going off the rails - when we took the detour down Tarzan & Jane lane and I saw the remaining runtime, I definitely was not complaining. Great stuff!

Really good ramble! I have not seen Luca.

oh yeah I remember that Tarzan show aired here in Ireland

This went off the rails in the best possible way, the Tarzan and Jane tangent could only have been better if you'd thwacked a conspiracy board with a pointer to announce it. I full on cracked up at the incredulity reading "Former US President Theodore Roosevelt!" Also I will never get tired of shots on Randy Moore, I grin a little every time I see/hear the phrase "$30 wands." I now also appreciate shots against his bitter, complaining, Russian wife.

In response to your comment at the midpoint, I found this HIGHLY entertaining.

I hope Jenny watches Luca... it’s so good...

I for one am here for the absolute full tilt spiral concerning Tarzan and Jane

Luca wasn't gay but it was incredibly *waves hands* gay

This was extra rambley I loved it! Now I'm off to watch Tarzan & Jane lol

Really happy that you mentioned Gay Days, I feel like not a lot of people know about that! I want to share some "old fandom" stuff related to that, because I feel like it's being forgotten by the internet . . . This is long because that's just how I type, sorry about that. (This isn't intended to be an "um, actually" but just . . . sharing history.) In the Geocities days, around 1995, Disney started offering health insurance to the long-term partners of gay employees. Same-sex marriage was still illegal everywhere and the US was really homophobic. State after state was adding "Marriage can only be between a man and a woman" into their state laws, and a lot of people wanted a similar federal amendment to the Constitution. So anyway, a bunch of "concerned citizens" condemned Disney for the benefits for gay domestic partners because it wasn't "family friendly." (For the young people out there, gay people used to be seen as perverted / obscene even if they were just sitting on a park bench or whatever. Because they . . . made the innocent straights think about gay sex or something? I dunno, it never really made sense.) But a lot of fan cultures were pretty gay friendly--at least more gay friendly than mainstream America--so a lot of online young people supported Disney on this. This all came back to me in a rush when I was looking at an old Geocities site a bit ago and it had a GIF saying "I support Disney family values" right next to "This page best viewed with Netscape Navigator." :) As far as Disney's response to the protests, from what I recall they just ignored them because they're a huge company and they didn't need to care what some bible-thumpers thought. This isn't to defend modern Disney's lack of queer representation. I rolled my eyes at the easily-edited-out lesbians in the recent Star Wars movie. Like you said, it's 2021 . . . just make actual gay main characters! And not embarrassing ones like LaFou. Who STILL wasn't actually confirmed as being gay, just hinted at. But, I do want people to remember the stuff from the 90s because at the time it felt was a little bit of hope in a world that kept legally gut-punching gay people with new, popularly supported anti-gay laws. And that's part of Disney's legacy too. :) Edit: Wow this turned out even longer than I expected. Sorry! I always have trouble being concise.

Luca was honestly so refreshing as a Disney/Pixar movie. I could tell that the creatives behind it had a game plan and one cohesive theme to introduce, develop, and conclude. It’s honestly an embarrassingly low bar but thinking back to movies like Soul and Onward and Raya where the theme felt shaky at best and baffling at worst, Luca had a nice change of pace.

Jenny dragging Randy Moore just never gets old

That was an AWESOME Ramble!

I really liked Luca!! Just very chill cute and loveable

Loved this ramble and the Tarzan series episode descriptions are jaw-dropping

I'll see your "we live in a society" and raise you that I don't think it makes sense to hate Disney at all. I'm on board with the fact that their continuing drive to own all entertainment ever is low key horrifying, what do we expect them to do? The senior management and their board are absolutely killing it, that's what corporations are supposed to do. If you want to assign blame it has to eventually go back to we, the people, who keep electing corporate stooges who just make it easier and easier for the transnational megacorps to hoover up bigger and bigger chunks of the global economy.

I actually do remember watching the Tarzan and Jane series, believe it or not. It was at my grandma's house and my cousin and I were mostly waiting watch Digimon (which, yes, was also airing on UPN for some reason).

I did not watch Luca….

The whole idea of having one, uniform opinion about "Disney movies" as a whole is weird to me. Some of them I like, some of them I don't like, and some of them I'm indifferent to. My opinion of Disney as a corporation tends to skew negative because of some of their business practices, but they can still make good movies. I also don't mind that Disney mainly makes stuff for children, but I feel like they were instrumental in setting up the cultural expectation in America that "animation is for kids", and I resent them for it. Not to go all weeb, but Japanese audiences never had that assumption, which is why a lot of us animation-lovers have to talk about anime so much. There's no real reason we couldn't make grown-up animation over here (not gross-out "adult comedies", but actually mature stories), except that American audiences assume that "cartoon = kid stuff". Maybe that would have happened even without Disney, I don't know. But I think they have a lot to answer for there.

Is the female version of Randy Moore...Randi Moore?

NOOOO WRECK IT RALPH!! :'(

I spent this whole video hearing "randy moore" and thinking "Michael Moore" and wondering whether the latest michael moore joint was a disney hit piece. Randy Moore going back to disney to hate it more and he sees Michael Moore making his hit piece and concluding that Michael is filming it all with a full film crew to document the peak day of his entire life the only thing he's ever lived for.

I really enjoyed Luca (and honestly, as a bi woman, I think it's very telling that pretty much every other queer person I know has had a really strong positive emotional reaction to it) but I ALSO think it would've been nice if they'd just outright made those little fish boys gay

Would love to see a live action disney remake ranking!

You certainly didn't go into detail about Randy Moore's wife in the Escape from Tomorrow video. It hit kinda close to home lol because I'm Russian, the first generation to grow up with Disney and my parents did this insane trip with four kids to the other side of the world to take us to Disney world and give us this lovely memory. So I want the record to show we're not all like Randy Moore, even though theme parks are definitely not a thing here

For some reason I remember the Jane's friends part of Tarzan and Jane but absolutely nothing else. I think I thought that was part of the original Tarzan until now (last time I watched either of those films I think I was 7 years old and in the hospital)

Wow I can't believe Randy Moore pays you $7 a month to listen to you absolutely destroy him!

Loved that randy moore and tarzan and jane tv series lore we learned

This was already one of my favorite rambles, but when you said “you know what, I already said this ramble is not going well! Let’s talk about Tarzan and Jane!” it became the greatest ramble ever!

Oh man the number 1 reason I would have thought of was "because Disney Adults are annoying" but I guess a lot of the other topics are covered under that. I have actually been thinking a lot about the intersection of my relationships with Disney Parks and capitalism lately so I thought this one was really thoughtful and not a (possibly literal) hot mess, haha.

my girlfriend did not grow up with disney stuff said she hated how bad disneyland smelled

'Luca' is sweet, actually.. . Not that i'm excusing the concerted gaslighting campaign from Casarosa, but, on balance, would recommend fans of Disney/Pixar keep it in mind for a cold/rainy night at some point down the line..

Wow. Your take on Cinderella is truly enlightening. You are a Script Doctor, a Cultural Pundit and an insightful Philosopher. It's always worthwhile to get your point of view. Any chance there's a screenplay in the works? I'm sure it would be an IBS. (No. Not Imitable Bowel Syndrome you wags. Instant Best Seller!) -Thanks for sharing! -Regards, -Tom Rose

oh my god i completely forgot about the tarzan series. i did watch it but i feel like it’s possible i was the only one

I'm embarrassed by how offended I was that Jenny called Wreck it Ralph DreamWorks tier. Best ramble in a while!

hmm, I cannot add this to my watch later list. youtube says because it's listed as kids content. such a strange conundrum, I always watch later most everything...

"It's probably the heat. My thoughts are coming out completely disoriented." I think you have given more thought to Randy Moore than anyone has in YEARS.

Luca was pretty good. Better than Wreck it Ralph.

That was an entertaining ramble.

An ideal Jenny topic!

Sunburn!

Jenny was so flustered out of anger. Geez

For some reason this is tagged as for kids so I can't add to my watch later list

Oh man, I needed an hour of a charismatic person talking about fun things in an engaging way today. Hype.

A nice long Jenny ramble? Hurray! Those are the best kind! 😁😁

50 minutes???!?? lets goooo :)

Honestly, I welcome any Jenny video that goes off the rails. Those are the best ones.

I was just scrolling through old rambles to fill time when this popped up score!

Can't wait to watch this later, 😃