S4E22: Point Break
In a simpler time there were heroes with names like Johnny Utah who dedicated themselves to fighting crime. And there were criminals with names like Bodhi who sought a higher purpose, such as a wave so sick it kills you. These are their stories...
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Hey, Devon here. In our home, we talk a lot about how insane everything feels, and agonise constantly over what can be done to best help the Palestinians trapped in Gaza facing the full brunt of genocidal violence. My partner Rebecca has put together a list of four fundraisers you can contribute to- all of them are at work on the ground doing what they can.
-Palestinian Communist Youth Union, which is doing a food and water effort, and is part of the official communist party of Palestine
https://www.gofundme.com/f/to-preserve-whats-left-of-humanity-global-solidarity
-Water is Life, a water distribution project in North Gaza affiliated with an Indigenous American organization and the Freedom Flotilla
https://www.waterislifegaza.org/
-Vegetable Distribution Fund, which secured and delivers fresh veg, affiliated with Freedom Flotilla also
https://www.instagram.com/linking/fundraiser?fundraiser_id=1102739514947848
-Thamra, which distributes herb and veg seedlings, repairs and maintains water infrastructure, and distributes food made with replanted veg patches
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Comments (108)
This is the first time it’s occurred to me that the phrase ‘young, dumb and full of cum’ is intended to refer to the person in question’s *own* cum and not someone else’s. I was genuinely baffled when they said it in the movie and briefly thought it was some 90s homophobia.
(Australian) November (Because it's Summer), Radical Thorn and Shreddin' Devon. How many iconic Johns has Keanu Reaves played? Johnny America, John Constantine, John Wick... how many more?
Please I beg you, Keanu season
Johnny Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch from Cardiff
It's pronounced Kirk-coo-bree! And it's where some of the Wickerman was filmed.
This is one of my favorite movies ever so I really hope they like it
Look if there's one thing growing up in Sydney taught me, it's that surf nazis are very real
@1:37:26 It's pronounced Kir-coo-bree. Regards, a person with family in Scotland.
As someone with an Australian surfer uncle who smoked way too much weed- yuppy surfer hatred is a real thing. Super real - fights and shit on the beach. I’m pretty sure he got done for assault on one of them because young guys were surfing in his spot.
Two things: 1st, most of the surf Nazis are played by members of the band The Red Hot Chili Peppers who were very popular at the time this film was made. 2nd, it’s really amusing hearing you talk about the actual remake in 2015 and how a spiritual remake could be made with a different extreme sport knowing that’s exactly what they did in 2001. In that version they replaced surfing with street racing, the surf Nazis with Asian street gangs, Keanu Reeves with Paul Walker, and Patrick Swayze with Vin Diesel. But beyond those changes, most of the plot beats are the same.
The moral of this movie, though unstated, is that attempting to hunt down a borderline harmless thrillseeker heist crew directly led to rape by deception and a whole pile of violent deaths, just to try to stop them making it to Australia where they would have all promptly ate shit and died in the storm. If the FBI ignored the surfer theory everyone wins. Edited to add: Is Bodhi the first example of a crew leader also being the Waingro?
It's not kelso it's doctor cox!
Johnny Utah? As MythicalMothman pointed out, every time I see Johnny Mnemonic starred in a movie, he reminds me of how John Wick looks like Johnny Silverhand from Night City, as performed by John Constantine, or John whatever his last name is from Um... Anyway, I'm happy you folks talk about Don John's son Jonathan Harker. He's an inspiration to us all (?) PS: Who the hell is Thomas A. Anderson?
Thomas A Anderson is Neo's real name in The Matrix. That's why Agent Smith calls him "Mr. Anderson"
Keanu has played a lot of Johnnies. -Johnny Utah -Johnny Mnemonic -Johnny Wick -Johnny Constantine -Johnny Devilsadvocate
Johnny Silverhand Johnny Matrix
Anyone happen to be familiar with the Pierbi formula Abbi mentions at 1:16:25?
Johnny Midlothian from Peebles
The previous generation of Neo-Nazis in Australia did actually have a surf nazi unit in lieu of the Hitler youth. Come to think of it they're probably the current generation of Neo Nazis now.
My sister's show had a surfing episode and the lead who is just leaving his late 70s did his own surfing. I wonder what the insurance situation was like?
I come to y'all with a few humble recommendations. May I suggest Mad Money (2008) and the National Treasure movies? Mad Money because it's a heist movie for the Mama Mia crowd, and National Treasure, because, obviously.
Maybe y'all could review Assault on Precinct 13 (1976) Just watched it, it's full of stuff y'all can comment on, like a malaise of ACAB sentiment for example. Saw it free on YouTube.
SO EXCITED for KJB to cover this movie that I became a patreon subscriber. This film has everything! I grew up in 1970s/80s southern California and they get a lot of the surf culture stuff right imho. Surfers are in fact super territorial and there was a ton of 'Locals Only' energy in so cal at that time.
Interestingly the “criminal throws a pit bull at the cops” is the justification that SWAT guys use when they shout a family beagle in a no-knock raid. I don’t know how integrated it is into the Narrative but it’s absolutely what SWAT guys told me when I brought up the killing dogs thing.
I remain in the "No, seriously, Keanu Reeves is a good actor" camp. People don't recognize the acting style. It's too subtle. When they were filming The Matrix Resurrections in Alameda and downtown San Francisco, Keanu would just hang out near the filming location. Alameda is a small island town with basically one main street with stuff on it, and that's where he would be. People would come into the office where I worked and say things along the lines of, "Oh my god, I ran into Keanu Reeves yesterday, and he's so nice. He's such a sweet-heart." I avoided downtown while they were filming and never had a reason to go to Alameda, so I missed out on the sightings. I really hope there are no credible stories about him because it would be wonderful to think there's at least one nice person in high-end Hollywood.
Fwiw every story I've heard about him has been about how chill and cool he was and I've never heard a hint of him so much as even being rude to someone before.
The Gary Busey award for eating on screen-wait no the Brad Pitt award for eating on sc-wait no...
When the FBI talk about 'brick" they mean straight up regular FBI agents. They do do investigate work only. They don't do undercover work, they don't plant bugs, they are the cyber crime specialist. They aren't profilers or counter-intellgece agents.
42:10 Oh fuck I didn't realize there were two movies with Surfer Nazis. This and Troma's Surf Nazi's Must Die
Just starting to imagine Point Break but with Furries. The bank robberies line up with cons. Keanu has to choose a fursona and build a suit. Has to learn the lingo and identify popufur artists by style, get some commissions, build an f-list profile
Obama would just rob everyone in the lobby and give their money to the bank, then you'd lose your house
If you want to do an actual Buddhist movie my recommendations: ongbak, el topo, uncle boonmee who can recall his past lives
I am here to tell you to watch My Own Private Idaho.
Brian Cox Memorial award for covert intelligence to Keanu for absolutely beefing someone else's sting operation with the Nazis tbh
The first Fast and Furious is pretty much the same movie but with street racing
Kirkcudbright is pronounced "Kir-cood-bree" btw
beat me to it
Colonel Kilgore is probably a surf nazi back in the states, it’s what he reads as being directly inspired by from contemporary American culture
Great. Now I my brain is stuck on imagining Swayze and Reeves re-enacting the Auntydonna Midnight Snack skit
Just seeing the comments, apparently you’ve volunteered to do an episode on the educational film Surf Nazis Must Die
Literally came here to suggest this! Troma films rule
DROPS ARE BACK! 🥹
2nd term Trump is a Waingro confirmed.
I am deeply offended that nobody in this Podcast knew the legendary movie "Surf Nazi Must Die!". I expected better from you all.
... okay as a Baltimore girl I appreciate the Johnny Unitas pull
As a Marylander I loved it as well. We won't go into which part of Maryland, but I bet you can figure it out.
Hoping for the "just like me fr" episode and keeping in line with heist movies based in California, gimme Drive!
This is my mums favourite movie
Me, the entire podcast: *Patrick Stewart in Charlie's Angels voice* 'and what about Australian Johnny?'
came here to say this omg
Speaking of Bigalow, I’d love to know what y’all think of her film, The Loveless. It’s more horny than violent, but it’s Bigalow, so it’s going to get violent.
If they do a horror season, Near Dark is a good choice.
Accountant squared episode when?
It is astonishing how much that movie is a stealth Batman movie
As a dad in the US, I am federally required to know about football and compulsively required to explain it when needed. Quarterbacks are often but not always smaller players, not like kicker small but usually lighter than your backs (dudes who run with the ball, usually pretty burly) and certainly smaller than linemen, who are fucking giants most of the time. They are almost always expected to be the smartest guy on the field (they actually have a NFL IQ test players are required to take, its called the WONDERLIC which i find funny), since they are the defacto field marshall for how their team performs and nominally in charge of the show. Reeves is a reasonably creditable ex-college football QB who has slimmed down since his college days, I reckon.
Keanu also played a former college QB in The Replacements, a movie which I have a lot of fondness for since it was funny unlike most American Football movies.
Do. Strange. Days.
Surf Nazis sounds like something Mel Brooks would come up with.
Why has Keanu Reeves played so many guys named John/Johnny/Johnathan?
Maybe the asshole shortage is causing the physiological impossibility?
I just got a say, Lori Petty in this movie is gorgeous. I love women with short hair.
I hate Illinois surf nazis from California
Surfer bushido code? Is this anything?
So, would the Point Break of today be about Pickleball?
Pickle Break?
That was a great episode, but Holy shit is can't wait for Under The Skin!
Anyone got the formula abi mentioned at 1:16:30? asking for my gf
Cousin of Johnny Mnemonic.
I figured out the episodes after thr next, it is too perfect: Point Break - Point Break (Remake) - The Fast & The Furious (the better Point Break remake)
I was not ready for any of these three knowing who Tim Tebow is.
Born and raised in Florida - yup Also I think FD Signifier has done a video on intersectionality and football positions, where he talks about how quarterbacks are known as the intelligent position in football, and COINCIDENTALLY also almost always white men
johnny utah, johnny english’s distant mormon cousin
But what about Australian Jonny?
Devon, the public voting is over we’ve done our bit but we can’t vote any more
Thank you for doing your part habibi. Next episode has one ad in it too just bc we banked them up
What is a surfboard but a you-boat. "What's the brick training for?" Dr Cox's literal first lines are to ask about his cardiovascular fitness. It's over the top physical training prescribed by the hard-ass boss My wife's parents died when she was about 23, and I really want that orphan bumper sticker they described Pedantic point: Stand Your Ground law is specifically written for when you are in public. Castle Doctrine is for when you are at home. This movie is the first time I ever heard the term "Bodhisattva" and between this and the 2007 police procedural "Life" starring Damien Lewis, sparked an interest in Buddhism. (Teaching an American about Buddhism: imagine two copaganda) Speaking of beach sports, I discovered there is a thing called Beach wrestling, which is very similar to sumo wrestling without a mawashi belt. I recently started amateur sumo and I also want to get into beach wrestling. Re: the inclusiveness of physical hobbies- sumo is the opposite of surfing. If you walk up and say hi in the middle of practice, we'll put you in a loincloth and have you shoving people immediately. Also I'm in a queer amateur sumo wrestling Discord Damn I went a long time without knowing Jon bernthal's politics but I could have guessed The first Dirty Harry movie also ends with him throwing his badge into the water The pod hasn't done Roadhouse yet right? Fascinated to hear about the quiet philosophy reading stoic Mullet Tightpants who saves a town from the evil machinations of a capitalist, played by the one Jewish actor in the movie, and his gay-threatening personal enforcer Abigail mentioned the "not gays" towards the end that is a theory synthesized by our cishet Wisconsin boys Redletter Media. They coined the terms "a case of the not gays" to describe forced hetero shit, as well as the term "passive progressive" which is what they call tiny quick gay bits in the background of movies that you can get credit for but also easily edit out
D'you think Johnny Utah knows Duncan Idaho
When I saw you'd done this, I wondered if you'd pulled a reverse Casino Royale and covered the remake first just to fuck with us.
Wincing every time they refer to Dr. Cox as Dr. Kelso.
Joe Montana was a real nfl quarterback that I think is the origin of Johnny Utah
Do the Point Break episodes mean they're doing the Fast and Furious series next!? Or at least the first one as it was inspired by Point Break. The F&F movies are a guilty pleasure and I am looking forward to them getting the KJB treatment.
There's nothing guilty about liking Fast and Furious films. They are the perfect combination of soap opera, absurd action and family.
disappointed by the lack of gary indiana jokes smh
Devon can’t keep getting away with these Chinese Mike jokes
Oh fuck yeah
The SCUM “U” was Utah! UTAH
Johnny Queensland, from Tasmania
Who has two thumbs and a Goodnight Cross despite not actually being in the movie? Bob Kelso, how ya doin
perfect ending, American tries surfing in Australia once. Dies immediately.
Even if the wave didn't kill him, the horrific attempt at an Aussie accent by the cop would have
I'd be very happy to have an all-surfing retelling of World War II.... Some kind of Churchill joke about, "We shall fight them on the beaches," then catches a gnarly wave while he plots a genocide in India.
Does anyone know any spooky heist films? Just in time for Halloween season this year?
The Ladykillers might fit the bill
The brick diving thing is a lifeguard/swimming drill! They use it to this day for lifeguard training. As part of the lifeguard certification you need to dive for a 20lb brick and swim the length of an Olympic pool with the brick out of the water on your shoulder as fast as you can
I think also they put that scene in to show that they can swim
Johnny Mnemonic from Istanbul (not Constantine)?
It doesn't take the CIA to brainwash me into having a homosexual sport bonding activity with Patrick Swayze.
I grew up in a So Cal surf city in the 90s and the degree to which the neo Nazi and the surfer venn diagram circles overlapped there was nearly 100%. I wish I could say that that changed over time, but it only has gotten to be more so the case. I don't live there any longer and haven't for quite a bit, but I remain aware of the area enough to know its only gotten WAY worse. At least in that town (which remains among the leading So Cal surf cities). I know that overlap is not universal tho in all So Cal surf towns, but it is a very real thing. When I saw the film in cinemas at the time I was like "this is exactly what 1/3 of the dudes in my high school are EXACTLY like" in terms of the male surfer culture and behavior in the film. And the level of aggressive territorialness of surfers to their turf in the 90s was off the charts. It was not enjoyable to be a teenager in a surf city in the 90s, even one who didn't surf. The toxic male aggressive surf clan BS was thru the roof.
That bullshit goes back into 70s and 80s. The South Santa Monica/Venice surfers were notorious for enforcing locals only at the surf spots around the Santa Monica Pier. They would put young kids who were new at surfing on the pier armed with wrist rocket sling shots to shoot small ball bearings at non locals. You have to remember that back in the 60s, 70s and into the mid 80s Venice and South Santa Monica were very working class areas. Then gentrification started happening
Heck yeah, I've been waiting for this one
The dumbest thing about the remake, is that they had a Payday 2 crossover. Featuring it's own heists and it's now deisted as the rights expired.
How many people are yelling cocaine at their phones right now?
I was yelling Dr Cox pretty regularly.
Re: literal surf nazis: 1. Warchild’s literally anthony kiedis, no? 2. Surf nazis must die; no idea if it’s a heist movis, but it’s a title.
Nazi shot in the foot is Flea!
Oh boy, a two hr kjb episode to listen too on the last half of my shift. Hurray
They say "full of cum" like it's a bad thing.
Caught my first tube today
