1079 - The Smiley Face Killers feat. Katherine Krueger (10/12/26)
Katherine is back to talk about animals with Will and Felix again, including the bizarre story of a Chicago billionaire paying for a rat infestation. We then return to the ongoing fractures in Mamdani’s base, as a recent ICE shooting makes his decision to keep Jessica Tisch even harder to defend. Lastly, we discuss the recent raid on Ilhan Omar’s house, plus the absolute dumbest dirty trick in right-wing history.
Pitch Katherine pieces for The Intercept at katherine.krueger@theintercept.com
Join us on Fri, Oct 16 at the ErF Gallery for a live screening of Chunks followed by a live talkback featuring Will, Hesse & Podcast About List, tickets here: https://www.erf.nyc/events/chapo-trap-house-screening
Comments (222)
Hi from Yorkshire
Feels like Krueger is the only regular guest that can decently fill the void Christ-man left
Agreed. She’s ready for the major league, put her in coach.
My theory is that Jessica Tisch is the woman that gave Adam Friedland a buttjob in college
Zohran can't arrest Netanyahu, but he probably could've done something about Bezalel fucking Smotrich leading a parade of thousands of people
I have a solution that's sure to placate all sides in NYC: Curtis Sliwa for police commissioner
It would be so dope if all NYPD cops had to wear red berets.
Oh god my aunt is in the smiley face killer documentary because my cousin was like an original smiley face “victim”
Digger doesn't suck and I respect you less for thinking this.
after watching a decent quantity of the Mafiaslop that Will is constantly going off on I came to the realization that his takes are actually kinda shit
Movie Mindset heads know when we will get the full review of Digger.
The Braves old mascot was Chief Noc-a-homa
Why do I keep watching Iñárritu's movies? They're all ass
Digger was ass. I would've enjoyed burning the $25 plus tax with a lighter more than that pile of dogshit
Tisch probably assigned Blink as a summer read for the NYPD
FELIX YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE WASHED YOUR HANDS BEFORE THE SEDER
20 min in and no news yet.
When do they discuss smiley face killers? Fuck me
I fucking loved Digger
"2008, she also received joint Master of Business Administration and Juris Doctor degrees from Harvard.[2] In 2008, Tisch began her career with the counterterrorism bureau at the New York City Police Department,[3] facilitated by commissioner Raymond Kelly. She went on to hold several civilian positions within the agency.[4] In February 2014, she was appointed Deputy Commissioner for Information Technology at the city police department."
These guys kinda suck now 😕
Can you show us on the doll where they touched you?
Felix is not funny
will being a tagger is funny af
#DiggerNationRise
Russia has a moratorium on the death penalty. Just saying.
Hail Raatma
REALLY hoping for a David Cage game ep of Players' Club. if not Detroit, then an Indigo Prophecy or Heavy Rain ep would go hard
Will trying to shoot off his Digger sting after burying the leade and getting immediately mic-cucked by Felix before he could get two words out. Beautiful.
Wait what’s the name of the al qaeda newspaper??
Dabiq Magazine
Felix wants unheralded, strange, interesting disaster games, but will almost certainly not devote an episode to Toonstruck... or will he 🤔
Kudos to Felix for not telling the goys about mikvahs
😭😭😭he said gross water thing but compared to mikvahs seder handwashing is nothing
felix please do Deadly Preminition
"I'm like if Satan and Darth Vader had a baby" - Steve Bannon, trying to sound scary
Hard to listen to a lot of this episode due to everyone talking over each other so much.
I love when Felix gets brought out as the Chapo Chicago correspondent and immediately makes clear he hasn’t been there since like 2004
I'm realizing that Chapo Trap House is no good anymore and canceling my subscription.
I love how Katherine thought Felix was talking about a literal thumbnail
Kath language policing geography scolding speed run
Got pulled over by a baddie state trooper the other day. Supports Felix’s phenological theory that baddies aren’t found in municipal departments
Chapo using auto hide when Mamdani is called something unpleasant is crazy pathetic. This is your Stalin?
Don't ditch the Tisch, promote her Kusanagi-style to lead the "Secret Smiley Task Force" Lets see her backflip out a window and disappear.
People on Reddit were saying it was the billionaire's (presumably younger) wife doing the nut thing, and that he was in hospice. So maybe it's her long game to buy up land.
Or just mental illness
I will never watch Digger. It's simply to ugly
I really want a players club mini-season on the Max Payne games
Need more Kath!
The biggest reduction in crime never came from the state killing prisoners, it happened when we stopped covering every inch of our civilization in lead. We got un-leaded gasoline, lead-free wallpaper, lead-free house paint and graphite pencils and holy shit crime went down who could have seen that coming? Definitely not the guy who created a character called "the mad hatter" who was crazy because they were rubbing lead on their fucking top hats for looksmaxxing
Disclaimer: I'm probably exaggerating when i say it was the biggest reduction but holy shit why was everything covered in lead?????
I only heard this once or twice, but in china the death penalty comes with a year long grace period where if you behave nicely you can get your sentence reduced, but idk much more than that
America loves to shit on north Korea but half the time they will list some accusation against the DPRK and their take is "why can't we do that?!?!?"
I literally saw a right winger respond to a map saying the US would be joining North Korea, Iran, and Saudi Arabia as the only countries with public executions by saying “well nobody tries to rob you at the ATM in North Korea do they??” Beast mode lmfao
The point of the uniboob is to prevent a woman's titties from looking like a butt, which as RooshV PBUH tells us, is the gateway to gay sex
mikveh: a bath used during ritual immersion in Judaism to achieve ritual purity.
Listening to the chapos give their opinions on media is identical to reading NME or Rolling Stones top 100 lists in the 00s. Amores Perros is a classic.
The Felix, Will & Katherine episodes feel like listening to a polycule get all riled up about one of their coworkers
Talafreako has T1D and it can make illnesses harder to overcome, especially if you're already worn down and exhausted from campaigning
Tish reminds me of the Kathy Cabletown from 30 Rock.
How the hell could Felix not do Lies of P after teasing it all season long
Isn't a televised firing squad only going to incentivize the freaks who get off on the idea that they'll die in some blaze of glory? To those people this is like a dream not a punishment lmao
prediction: the guy will be strapped to a board standing up, public support for the death penalty will increase after the live stream, and pete hegseth will be president in 2030.
Paid subscriber for over half a decade now, however!!! Vis a vis your Digger take, disappointed, but not surprised. Your bad take finally got me to comment again after like 2 years, congrats.
America really did turn out to be the biggest laughing stock in the world. We elected a television star, so we can’t cry when we reach the series finale.
Make Katherine the 3rd mic already
Upcoming midterms - Our first real shot at floss latino / germania and no discussion of the culture k*mpf against cavities?
Left attacks of Mamdami on the Palestine issue sounds like impotent ultra left talk
US politics is only this and skin eating psycopathy
Face / Off is mentioned at 7 mins 58 seconds
I saw an Asian female cop in Munich once and then realized I’d never seen one in the US before.
Lol Will calling the capital punishment chemical “homebrew” like the state got that DIY, life replacement therapy.
Will loves being a movie hipster
God damnit don’t spoil new movies in the first minute of the show.
If I didn’t know the context of Palmer Lucky’s justification for televising the execution, I would’ve thought it was anti-death penalty. Like “if we televise the state’s brutality, it will turn people against capital punishment “. I don’t agree but that guy is so fucked in the head that he thinks exposing the system’s brutality is good for reinforcing that system.
Yay Katherine episode ❤️ But sad to be extremely annoyed by bad faith takes on the mayor once again. Extremely shitty to suggest that Zohran “took up the cause” of Palestine to get elected. In case you don’t remember, it was actually extremely politically toxic???!!!?? And it wasn’t just him running, it was US as the local DSA chapter running him. It’s obviously grown and changed now. But constantly disappointed at your read on NYC politics despite Will being from here. Oh well! I’m still the sucker paying for the podcast lol 🤠
I also agree with the demands made by PYM. And don’t say this is me saying to “not criticize him” or “not protest him” — literally not what I’m saying and not something I’ve actually seen anyone say???? As Matt Christman once said, one thing is not another thing!
Ditka doin the Super Bowl shuffle off this mortal coil, amirite?
🤙Forty Nine🤪
Really hope Felix does end up doing the lies of p episode of lies of p, the only good souls like
Feeling very seen as I start my third set of squats for my second workout of the day.
The types of cops that women are: special commissioners unit
Re: Jews & water magic - Does Felix really not know what a mikveh is?
Twodots, the mf greatest
53:54 Zamzam water erasure 😤
Pushing my trueanon backlog even further back after seeing the lincoln park rat billionaire mentioned on the chapo feed
Go White Sox
The Players Club reminds me of when Qinton Reviews phased out his fairly well paced series on early youtubers and started doing completely inexplicable full recaps of Nickleodeon sitcoms
Well at least we can agree that Ari Aster rules.
First Bernie then AOC now Mamdani is Chapo just DSA with better jokes? How many times we falling for this?
It’s not really like DSA because we’re allowed to clap here if we want to.
Kick the fucking ball charlie brown lol
Also, the thing about street canvassing is that it is, from one perspective, a scam. I worked in that business for a few years. Basically, the money canvassers raise is only enough to cover the cost of the operation in the first place. Essentially it’s free visibility, but the value of it is negligible. Long story short, be nice to canvassers but do not give them money unless it’s straight cash. That way they can just pocket it if they want to.
Why does the old guy have to have a motive? Isn’t it enough that he’s spending his money on nuts and ruining property values instead of getting demons elected to Congress or hunting people in the developing world for sport? Just let my weird king cook.
for the record none of the baltic states or azerbaijan have the death penalty
BigDawgSocialism is going to be so mad at Felix for the gym comment
I forgot how good that eat chain stream was lol
Chicago rent 29.9% of median income, NYC 30.0%. Doesn’t matter if you don’t work for your money and don’t have kids.
yeah it's kinda like how for the longest time you could live in Montreal for dirt cheap while doing sub-average money and come out on top against Toronto but now it's just not really true anymore
Zogran Mizrahi king of the libs
The uniboob discussion has me curious now but I don’t want to google any women in the Trump circle.
Revenant catching strays?? The opening Indian raid scene is great
wondering if the old man is trying to lure out some specific creature with the expensive nuts.. we need to learn more from the goons
Iñárritu is spiritually one of those Mexican emo self-loathing invader Zim-pajama bottom wearing teenagers and that’s why (as a Mexican) his movies kick ass.
Felix knows nothing of the mikvah confirmed.
Felix, mikvahs?
Every year they put out one of these stupid movies - (lists the greatest movies of the past decade)
"Will Menaker is Digger of the World" -Yoko Ono
WARNING🚨 FOR FUTURE DIGGER HEADS ⚠️ THIS EPISODE👆 CONTAINS DIGGER SPOILERS🛑
Sorry to be a pedant but even Russia doesn't do capital punishment lol
Cincinnati.
Speaking of phone games I’m devastated about Mario kart world tour service being discontinued
I'm not totally sure that Felix is a trusted authority on Lincoln Park real estate.
Crazy that Felix’s dad became a late in life Nigerian man…
tyler childers, goat libbed country musician
The planned public execution keeps reminding me of a moment from the Brazilian film Bacurau, which Will has recommended before on movie mindset. There's a scene where a tv screen in the background is showing a news broadcast from a city, and the chyron reads 'Live executions continue at 3pm' or something to that effect. It's quick, easy to miss, and not really related to the events of the movie. But it stuck with me as a small detail that hammers in the setting of the movie as a vision of a near-future where the most extreme forms of barbarism have become completely banal. We're galloping towards that future right now. Anyway, I think everyone should watch that movie.
Digger rocked. Get fucked
I 100% agree with Will on the movies, except for poor things. Poor Things is great. Nobody out here doing it like the Greek freak.
Coming out swinging with some BAD takes, RESPECT.
They are off base re: the police commission role. This is almost always a civilian; the chief of police is an actual career cop. Tisch never being a police officer isn’t weird re: her being the commissioner.
Her being somehow unremovable and not having at least that background is the weird part.
Hasan said that Talarico has diabetes so a Flu is a bigger deal than if he didnt have diabetes. Hence the 2 weeks. I dont know why but I think Hasan said thats why it took 2 weeks to recover.
Legendary cold open from senior Chapo correspondent Donald John Trump
Let’s start having strong opinions about the tiger incident without even bothering to learn the basic facts before speaking on it
Good ep, Katherine is always a joy
I did once see a NYPD cop reading a book while on subway duty. It was Triggered by Don Jr. Better that they stick to Angry Birds.
"Those special beads that Catholics like"... Incredible, Felix.
Would love it if Will did a periodic sports series. I’ve always been fascinated by the intersection of sports and politics and besides Pablo talking shady pro owners, there’s almost zero explicitly political sports coverage.
Are you going to talk about the Russian bot farms finally being hit and 20% of the traffic on Twitter disappearing? 🤣👍
bench bagent
Why do Mamdani do what he do? A non-conspiratorial view. Mamdani realizes his PMC position is raising to new unexpected heights. He’s on tv, he got to meet the president, he’s really on a roll. He could really stand to make some money off of this and help himself and his family for generations if he plays his cards right. I mean he’s a PMC new yorker, certainly his kids want to go the Tisch school of performing arts and be gay and do all the stuff new yorker kids do. He could even one day own a brownstone or some other antique building that new yorkers pride themselves on. But he’ll need the support of his party and of wealthy new yorkers to do it. Maybe this means betraying his DSA brethren but certainly since they are all pmc adult/children too, they can see themselves in his position and many will be able to rationalize and come to accept their Socialist to progressive to left of center to centrist/zionist leader as what he always was one of them.
Why must I continue to hear about Digger, a movie roughly 20 people saw
The NYPD is on their phones preparing ace runs for CM 21
Felix stepping all over Will’s punchline with his inane dream story. Classic Chapo baby!
The only film I was upset with Will not looking is still “Bugonia” lol. “Digger” was awful. Excellent production but one of the worst screenplays of the year.
Sad to see so many people embracing 'They're Dabbing On Us: The Movie'. Matt would never.
In 20 years, Digger will be remembered while Chapo won’t be. Choose your side wisely
6 minutes in and I can’t help but think “god I love Katherine”
The Substance is a great movie. It’s pure schlock. Only bird brains treated it like it has something important to say. The movie itself knows what it is. It’s so fucking fun.
The Kansas City Chiefs are named after a former mayor who was a white guy
I liked Digger. Preparing my Drano dosage now.
Nightmare Blunt Rotation
If just one politician did a daily news brief about all of the b******* that they got told each day in congress about what they can and can't do and was just exposing everything left and right every day you could f****** destroy s*** way quicker
he's not just some rich guy he is the patron of the federalist society
on barre seid: https://newrepublic.com/article/172480/barre-seid-leonard-leo-dark-money-king
I know it’s a good movie when will hates it, and I know it’s impossible to watch when he loves it. His favorite movie is Avatar after all
Fascism is when the frontier comes home.
The challenge with police reform is the transition period, which generally crosses over election cycles.
What happened 2 the vultures?
Learning that Felix has nothing but disdain for the Chicago neighborhoods I spent my 20s in (Wicker Park, Lincoln Park, and Logan Square)
United mention
If anyone thought sinners or the substance were meant to be subversive and not popcorn flicks, that's wild. They're solid, fun, midwitted and highly watchable.
Abainded
They didn't mention the absolute best part of the Talarico saga. Which is that Trump so totally bought into the allegations he forgot it was HIS candidate who had been ducking for months, and publicly challenged Talarico to a debate with Paxton. Which Talarico instantly agreed to.
Maybe the Chicago billionaire worships Nurgle, God of death, disease and decay?
East Asian female checking in here. The reason you don’t see a lot of East Asian female cops is it’s considered in our community a “stupid person job”. If you go to Honolulu you will definitely see some mixed race Asian female cops though
We better get Horror Movie Mind set before October ends..
I wouldn't hold your breath Will is evidently satisfied with Felix's 100+ hours of video game nonsense as a replacement for movie mindset
Ive seen that before felix... dillion Harper
When will people stop saying America is like a third world country and accept that it is?
Third world has a specific definition in relation to capitalism vs communism which America does not fit into
There is no society in America. There never was. There is an empire. There is a civilization. No society.
I need new movie mindset episodes to satiate the hungers of elder gods
Imagine my disappointment to find out that Chapo was not becoming a true crime podcast.
Will's take on digger is anti-dialectical
This is really a profoundly boring gimmick
Talarico is a type 1 diabetic, so things like the flu would hit him harder than usual
I had never wanted a mass shooter to come and interrupt a movie by shooting me and the 6 other people in the theater until I was around halfway thru Digger. So pretentious, so self-important, so unfunny. And for people who hear the message: "even in a dystopian future, people will consume billionaire funded slop so long as it confirms their worldview" i genuinely dont know how Digger is the way you'd heard that take for the first time.
It's not I just thought John Goodman hitting a vape was funny.
I feel like Bernie saying he would not run third party no matter what has been relived over and over again by democratic socialists for a decade now. Anyone praising the New Deal (soundly defeated by Reagan in the 80s) and the historical capacity for American electoral leftism as a path forward is a dead ender. Since this all started the Democrats have moved even further to the right.
The history of electoral leftism in the US is one long humiliation ritual
The expectation for Mamdani to turn on his class is fantastical.
"He went hiking in The Valley of the Headless Men... You won't believe what happened next." Yes I will.
Wow, Felix sure is unfamiliar with Judaism: https://mikvah.org/
Having worked the morning lifeguard shift during the dedicated old people swimming time, the rat king 100000 percent is just bored and has too much money. Paying the city fine is probably the highlight of his week.
There’s a lot more crosstalk and people constantly interrupting others’ sentences on this show than in the early years.
Bill de Blasio famously faced no backlash from the NYPD
I only know Wahoo as the legendary wrestler. Was he actually useful on the field?
Former canvassing manager here. PLEASE be nice to canvassers. By and large, these are incredibly vulnerable people. I’d say 80% of canvassers are in early drug/alcohol recovery. I was when I first started…sober living homes push people into these jobs all the time. The results are great. Canvassing has the highest ROI of all fundraising channels and it’s a CRUCIAL part of any large org’s revenue cycle. Drunks and methheads are keeping the doors open at Planned Parenthood, not the ultra credentialed PR perverts that I work with now.
Canvassing is anti-dialectical
Best case scenario for the execution livestream is they try hosting it on Xwitter and it crashes
Katherine writes for the intercept! Is this a nepo gf sitch where she waltzed right into her interview like a summer breeze? And casually dropped the name of world famous filmmaker Will Menaker as her top squeeze?
Katy’s career is an interesting microcosm for the state of digital media because she’s been an editor as long as the show’s been around, but all the outlets she works for get shut down.
Will with just the most shambolic take on Digger.
Will's digger take is anti-dialectical
Holy crap, thank you for not being braindead on the Zohran issue
Not will being suckered into another fucking free ep of kath going on about god knows what. Please. So painful
Digger sucks
Michelle Rodriguez cop
How did all of them say Lincoln Park for 30 minutes without making a single Linkin Park joke
Transcript: (crosstalk)
FELIX!! I live in such a Protestant midwestern town I didn’t even meet a Jewish person until I was an adult and even I know that Judaism has a “weird water thing” too. The mikveh, my guy!
“my guy” 🤢
Never commented once in my life but the digger take has successfully baited me out. I thought dialectics was our thing boys cmon now you gotta sympathize with an artist who feels both hate/meaningless and love/obsession with his art Anyways nice ep
Dialectics are anti-dialectical
I think the nonagenarian billionaire probably is just a bit nuts… I’ll show myself out.
Nonagenarian billionaires are anti-dialectical
24:53 I remember even Charlie Kirk called the Chief Wahoo logo racist in his book.
"Mennaker Takes Dig at Digger, Internet Implodes!" Old school style headline
Being a cop is a state of mind
We wouldn’t have had Digger under a Kamala presidency. You’re welcome.
I hope we get an update on the vultures
Remember when Mamdani was on Chapo lol
Remember when none of Chapos policies are popular enough to even win the democrat primary.
Felix begins speaking at 1 minute and 50 seconds
Movies about being lost in the woods suck However, a TV show episode about two wise guys getting lost in the woods…now we’re cooking
Movies about being lost in the woods are anti-dialectical
Digger or something g who fucking cares. Can't wait to listen to this episode
The Digger Argument can be a not denied be thing
I have never will see this movie
Anyone else feel like a rube for assuming Mamdani was smart enough to not try and please Zionists? Or am I the only one that stupid?
If it came down to a confrontation between Mamdani and the zionist faction (Tisch and her country-sized military force, the federal government etc), Mamdani would lose. I think he would rather avoid giving away how unable he is to exert influence over his own police force
Digger Nation vs Movie Mindset. Who you got?
Big Dig over Middlebrow Mindset every time.
Digger hive we bend but will not break
House Digger is unbowed, unbent, and unbroken
Yay! :) Katherine! :) can’t wait to smile to this tomorrow! :)
Hopefully Felix references asoiaf in this one
I just started reading it and I swear I hear a reference to it every single day now
KATH KONTENT LFG
Katherine guest ep let’s go
Hello fellow Cross
