Murder From The Shadows - Stab, Kentucky

20% of Scouts are girls / young women and many mothers are involved now. Our daughter got her whittling chip very early and is great with a hatchet. She fully plans to achieve Eagle Scout rank. Best of luck to any errant fingers out there.

Even if he does "get" the benefits from the VA they trying and not pay for anything for actual war heroes, they wouldn't pay for SHIT for him.

Crazy how often these sheriff dudes whole existence is the "war on drugs" and how they are the ones who do it and we need to LOCK THEM ALL UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEYS. Then every single one of them loses the war.

Sorry Jimmie, no if someone joins the military, like my Dad, they have to pass Boot Camp, Serve, then get benefits. My brother joined, failed out of Boot Camp and got nothing, lol.

I need a spooky tee shirt with the modern ghost, "woooo are you hoooolding"?

Mormons are no longer associated with Scouting. They do their own thing. My husband is a lifelong scout, and Eagle Scout, and a scout leader, and my son is a life scout and still does scout youth leadership. Also, while no system is perfect, they do go to great lengths now (and they have for many, many years) to protect the kids. They have continuing training that they have to do every year (my husband is always depressed after he does the training- it goes over all of the things predators do to groom kids, signs and signals that something isn’t kosher, all of that stuff) and they also have very strict rules about adults being alone with children. They call it ‘two deep leadership’. Basically, any interaction with scouts, physical, virtual, online communication- there always has to be more than one adult interacting with the kids. If a leader wants to communicate via email with a scout about a badge they’re trying to earn or an upcoming camping trip, whatever, the email will be addressed to the scout and CC’d to multiple adults- other troop leaders, the kid’s parents, other scouts if they’re involved in the situation- there is no ‘private’ communication allowed. Same with physical interaction. The only kid my husband could drive solo to a scout meeting or event was our own child. If another kid needed a ride, then there has to be either other children in the vehicle or another adult. Some of this stuff still has to be honor system based, but there are lots of checks and balances along the way. Occasionally, a scout will send my husband a text or email asking a question and forget to include others, so in his response, he’ll include other leaders and the kid’s parents and call attention to the first communication, and remind everybody about youth safety. They do background checks, of course, and sadly- they watch each other. It’s depressing that they have to do all of these things, because it is such a wonderful program, but it’s necessary to keep kids safe, and also keep the adults safe.

Jimmie nailed it with the Grand Rapids comment! 🤣🤣🤣 Grand Ragidy!

I live in Utah and I know 100% the Mormon church has NOTHING to do with the Boy Scouts of America and haven’t since the scandal!

Jal is a oilfield town been there way to many times. And I am not far from Livingston TX. These guys have to be truck drivers hauling Frac sand I would guess.

1:28:00 I know a guy who punched his commanding officer in the face. He got discharged due to having BPD, and now receives $4k from the government a month. He’s not allowed to work, but with the money he has opened multiple businesses under his wife’s name. He’s very successful now lol

My dad did the same thing in boot camp. No va benefits. "Blood On the Bundt Cake" would've been a good title too

This episode threw me the entire time because my Uncle’s name is Ken White 😅

I think knowing the victims reason for doing what he did and wore what he wore daily makes this act especially cruel.

As a “Laura” - I’m highly offended.

“Lifelong Bachelor” is an old time euphemism for gay. It was used a lot in Victorian England by the overly stuffy Brits. 15th US President James Buchanan was referred to in polite society as a lifelong bachelor but local newspapers mockingly called him “Aunt Fancy.” You do the math.

39:20 Rule 1: no fingers in holes. Rule 2: no Predators

“He’s a lifelong bachelor that lives with his mother” I mean, a lifelong bachelor in Kentucky means my first thought is he’s gay and closeted, honestly.

I kept laughing at the name Fingers 🤣. What a bunch of scumbags!! Now I know why I hate politics

Love the AD references in this episode!

Fantastic episode. The best ones are when James can break out his hillbilly accent

“Highly pissed” is such an underrated artist phrase. I grew up with it, and I feel like it really hit the mark.

So crazy that this one came out when it did. There was just a recent event here in Kentucky where a state trooper was killed on a traffic stop. I’m not kidding when I say all units were called to find this guy, they sent everyone in the vicinity. He eventually got arrested on Dixie highway, which if you know you know

1:37:43; The idea of: Your body not having to report, is very nicely worded👌🏾

This is a real Riley Gaines type murder 😂. Something about going from 5th to 4th place makes people do crazy things. 🥴

Life long bachelor= Gay

My people are from a town near Somerset too. So many families in our small town came from Somerset to work at the Chrysler plant. All these names—Shelley, Catrin, McWhorter, etc.—are so common in our town.

No you dont get full VA benefits , service related injuries but you have to apply for all that shit it doesnt come automatically.

My home town! You guys rocked it.

There's a James Justice who is a LAWYER in Oxford, MS. It's a great name! I also got hit on one time by a guy who said his name was Max Victory. I didn't believe him - I carded him and he really was Max Victory. He was a dumbass grifting music promoter, though, so a little less nominative determinism. 😝

Service member here, you have to finish in order to get full benefits. He likely would've gotten physical therapy before he was discharged

Our county still does a coin flip in the event of a tie And we have had it happen, not that long ago.

Oh man! Finally an episode taking place mostly in a place I lived! My ex was an Army recruiter from '05-'08 in Somerset and we had a little house near the lake outside of "town". We read all these stats when we got his assignment, and it was 98.7% white and .3% black with the last 1% being Asian or Hispanic. Oof! While we lived there, Pulaski county went "moist" and a restaurant opened in Nancy where you could buy drinks. Other than that, we had to depend on bootleggers or travel to TN or outside of Lexington for beer/wine/spirits. Iirc, Somerset actually held the record for with most churched per capita or square mile--can't remember. Also, while we lived there, our neighbor's buddy would ride his horse over to our house, saddle bags loaded down with beer, then meander back home once he got drunk. He made the mistake of going to a buddy's house in town and when the police see him unsteady on his mount, they tried to pull him over, at which point, he woke up and evaded. On horseback. Yet he never left the street. He's on a dumbest criminals episode, but I haven't been able to find it lately. I remember whispers of all this when I lived there, but I ate Pricilla's "welcome to town!" rum cake and forgot all the details.

Love that Jimmie hesitated on my last name! Been with my husband since high school and when I saved his name in my phone I spelled it Stigall because that’s how he said it and he had to correct me😂 Also, live in Kentucky and remember driving a couple towns over with my mom growing up to buy my dad beer on Sunday’s (he was never good at planning how much he would drink on Saturday I guess). It’s been in the last 10 years that it’s been legal to buy beer on Sundays and a lot of counties surrounding me were dry until around the same time!

I'm a little zooted and 01:02:26 to 01:02:30 is my favorite part of the episode so far 💀

You don't get ALL military benefits if you're medically discharged in boot camp - just benefits to treat anything related to the injury, usually.

After a long day driving, we made the mistake of stopping in a dry county in Arkansas. We were very disappointed.

can you guys do a patreon episode about deadly geology or something? i loved the karst segment 😹

So, funny story, but all you have to do to become a Kentucky colonel is fill out a form and submit it. Some crazy former journalist (highly recommend y’all google Derek Myers from SE Ohio I’m pretty sure he wrote his own Wiki page) used to brag about it so I looked into it, and it really takes very minimal effort to achieve.

There was a guy in my neighborhood growing up who lived with his mom and he was in his 70s while his mom was in her 90s. He was an odd character. Also, the Mormon church isn’t involved with the Boy Scouts anymore. I think they broke off like 3 or 4 years ago. This was a wild story though!

😂😂😂 I live 1 hr from this place! James and Jimmie made me pee on myself from laughing so hard!

I had to spend a weekend in Somerset (right across from the mall) this summer. Could NOT get out of there fast enough 😳😳 It was for work, definitely not by choice lol A real do not recommend town.

Up until 3 years ago my county was dry. You could buy beer and wine but no hard liquor and nothing got sold on sundays. You had to go to the next county.

Crazy fucking ride!! Good work James 🤙🏾🤙🏾

You do not get full VA benefits for getting hurt in Boot camp. Sincerely, USAF Crew Chief

My Son is in the Navy and if they don’t graduate bootcamp then they aren’t considered a Sailor so I would think that they won’t get benefits. They send them to medical if they get hurt, get them well enough to get discharged and send them on their way.

Women in the 40s were on amphetamine diet pills

Ken White is also a defense attorney turned podcaster who co-hosts one of my other favorite podcasts, Serious Trouble. He has a great newsletter too. Very thoughtful guy with a great dry sense of humor. Night and day from this Ken White 😂

"Go get em boys" is the redneck equivalent of "Seize him" 🤣

My cousins got her leg all messed up during basic training. She was medically discharged and now gets disability and medical benefits from the VA so. Jimmie was right. I would rather my tax money to go toward that than wars.

Good friend of mine lost his babysitter because her husband was involved with this and went to jail and she went into witness protection.

I can confirm that he most likely could get 100% disability even after leaving boot camp early. I’ve seen it happen. As a veteran I don’t necessarily agree but it happens.

The sheriff’s race in the county I live in in IL was decided by a coin toss in the 80s. 🤦‍♀️

“We will llll Lll You

I actually just made chicken enchiladas with green sauce the other night, but I KNOW mine are good because legit Hispanic people have told me so. 😂

Useless knowledge the dukes tribute jump cars are built on a crown Vic

Lead isn't magnetic

They used Crown Victoria that was fitted with reproduction Charger body panels.

Lived in KY most of my life, never heard of Stab but he second they said somerset... I said oh shit! I went to Lindsey Wilson College oh god its that area 😅😅

Stab in the dark flew right over James' head. 😆

Is this the parody of the scream movies?

Slightly disappointed that he wasn't stabbed in Stab.

I live in Harrison Arkansas and when we first moved here, it was a dry county and a funny thing is during that time. It had the highest drunk driving rate in the state so go figure. Everybody drove to the next county over or up to the state line because we’re at the border of Missouri and bought their alcohol and this is hillbilly Country and they do have moonshine stils in these hills. also anywhere in the south or where there are a lot of tornadoes you will see houses that are half underground. There was one for sale here once that was really cool. It was along the lake. It was the underground house in the hill and it had a garden on the roof to see that house was so cool. I hope everyone has fun in Texas. I really wanted to go to the Dallas show but it’s hard for me to travel right now. I wish you guys would come to either Springfield, Missouri or Little Rock, Arkansas.

Of course, James and Jimmie find a town called, Stab!

"Are you hooooooooling..." made me spit out my coffee choke-laughing

Yaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy!

Rivertalk with James and Jimmie is back!!!

Yay! Ready to see this shit live in Dallas!