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August 13, 2026

The Pastor's Dark Secrets - Emporia, Kansas

This week, in Emporia, Kansas, relationships spin out of control between two couples, resulting two different brutal murders, committed in totally different ways, by a most unliekly pair of killers. The cast of characters includes a Pastor, an Army Sergeant turned "medical technologist", a math professor, the "lady of the town", a pair of strange brothers that includes a welder/hair dresser, and a whole cast of confused detectives, trying to put this mess together. The whole thing is as horrifying as it is insane!!

Along the way, we find out that Kansas is apparently halfway to everywhere, that some bridges are scary, whether there are ghosts, or not, and that even after you're convicted of killing your wife, you can apparently still be a marriage counselor!!

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Cali Girl · September 3, 2026

Watched severance widow day working on Ted Lasso right now all three shows pretty good

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Sara Behrens · August 30, 2026

Missouri Synod...the Catholics of the Lutherans

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Nicole Alpeter · August 24, 2026

Plus, the actor who played Tom in the movie is named… Terry!!! I recognized the case early in the episode because I had seen “Murder Ordained” back in the day. It was really good! Kathy Bates was one of the reporters and Keith Carradine was the cop, Ruhl, who immediately thought Sandy’s death was a murder.

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Wasabi Kat · August 23, 2026

James needs to get checked for lung cancer.

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ENKC · August 20, 2026

James: try doing all the research to 4 podcasts by yourself! Cousin Ian: Am i a joke to you? 😂

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Destiny · August 20, 2026

Love this show. You guys keep bringing the laughter.

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Debra Hartwick · August 18, 2026

You can live only a few hours without your spleen. One of my friends has lupus and hers ruptured, she was flown to a trauma hospital where the surgeon and staff were waiting on the roof. She was awake the entire time! Now takes meds every day to make up for the spleen missing.

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Eddie LeBoeuf Jr · August 18, 2026

The moon is it's own light source... Moonlight light is colder than moon shade.... Try it.

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MJ O'keeffe · August 18, 2026

"Murder utensils " 😆 🤣

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Matthew Cosgrove · August 17, 2026

Holy shit, I know this guy. In lansing/leavenworth kansas pretty much every job is prison related. My old job I would pick up a crew of inmates in the morning and have them mow and weedeat all day. My buddy was working at an embroidery shop outside the walls that had prison labor. Anyway I was meeting him for lunch and one of his guys was this dude. This guy was doing some inventory and looked a little off. I remember him telling me he was a pastor or something that killed his wife. I just texted him and he confirmed it was him. This dude had my leftover nuggets. Wtf

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Susan Nelson · August 17, 2026

“Isn’t it enough for you to just reflect my glory. “ That explains a lot of masculine mentality today and yesterday, here and everywhere.

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Brooke C · August 16, 2026

OMG I had to take consumer math as well in my senior year because I flunked, algebra and elementary algebra🤣🤣 my report card looked like this A A B A A F

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Stacy Nielsen · August 15, 2026

A marriage counselor like the 80’s woman killer that what’s her face Olsen was in on the hbo show!

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Lisa Tucker · August 15, 2026

I watched the tv movie as a kid. After this episode, I want to watch it again. Keith Carradine was good as the trooper.

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Cosmo's ma · August 15, 2026

Weird this happened on the day I was born

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Liesl Manone · August 14, 2026

Jimmy I got a BS in Radio/TV/Film and only needed 3 hours of math. I took Casumer Math and got a big fat C and haven't done math in 30 years! LOL

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Christopher wallin · August 14, 2026

They call the rocky ford bride “bird bridge” now bc of this case!!

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Julie Larkowski · August 14, 2026

Is anyone else a little sad by the rumors that she now haunts the bridge?

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Kristal Howell · August 14, 2026

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Gail 10-A · August 14, 2026

Ugh. Another pastor who believes his own bs and knows he is infallible. He is exhausting!

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Anthony Moniz · August 14, 2026

Got my first shout out!!! Not disappointed lol.

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Kristina Daniels · August 14, 2026

This episode will not play for me on Patreon or Apple podcast?

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Erika Fultz · August 14, 2026

my aunt and uncle are both math teachers and their oldest daughter got her bachelors in math. She then returned to the same university for grad school to get another degree in math. 🥴

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Erika Fultz · August 14, 2026

She's now a math teacher in the Bay area.

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Erika Fultz · August 14, 2026

Despite being a soccer player, I despise running, so I always tell people if they see me running, and I’m not on the soccer field, they better keep up because something is chasing me!! if I were ever to post on social media something about running 5 miles and feeling great my friends also know that that is a cry for help and they need to alert the authorities. 😂

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Micah Is Real · August 14, 2026

At a "Discipline Now" weekend when I was in 6th grade our college youth leader balled his eyes out telling us how porn ruined his life. 😂

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KarenRocks444 · August 14, 2026

Speaking of Terry's, Terrence Knox plays Martin Anderson and Terry Kinney plays Tom Bird in the movie. I've seen it a couple of times and it's on YouTube.

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Mireille Pelletier · August 14, 2026

You know Jimmie said he used to be good at math and I'm absolutely not surprised by that statement! I have been a listener since day 1 and there are so many times he counted things on top of his head super fast (especially like people's age or how long ago something was)! You haven't lost it , Jimmie, you just got distracted by a shit load of other stuff like you know kids and life ;) don't sell yourself short!

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Manj Sangha · August 14, 2026

What’s better than a Small Town Murder episode about one arsehole? A Small Town Murder episode about two arseholes!

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OMAR GOBBY · August 14, 2026

Yep My mother's 1970s/1980s hairdresser was an extremely straight Italian guy

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Anine C · August 14, 2026

The loss of newspaper investigative reporting is filled by James now. The details are why I'm here, the laughs keeps me coming back.

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Lorri Andrews · August 13, 2026

Ye l/u

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Rebecca Vivian DeVille 🤘🏻😎❤️ · August 13, 2026

WEEEEEE!! They said my name sounds fun! They aren’t wrong!

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70Boss302 · August 13, 2026

Lorna should've charged for her services-the family would've been rich in under a month!

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Dorothyann · August 13, 2026

My jaw dropped when I heard he was a marriage counselor after his sentence. 🤯

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Nunya_bsnss · August 13, 2026

1:37:40 My mom is 5'1, I'm 5'9... When I tell you, I can't sit in my own car after she's done driving it. I got the wheel so far up my crotch it's a secondary birth control

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ALL Panic…NO Disco 🪩 · August 13, 2026

I usually never listen allllll the way to the very end. SHAME ON ME!!! Jimmie reading the names…..holy shit. I HIGHLY recommend 👍🏻 Fucking hysterical. Truly.

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Shelly Roberts · August 13, 2026

My dad and brother are welders, I work at our fabrication company. I had my cosmetology license for a few years. Never have either of us decided to try out the other’s skills 😂😂

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Nichola St. James · August 13, 2026

Crazy! And they didnt even end up together in the end.

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Scott Brady · August 13, 2026

I have to say the Babe Ruth thing was said by Pete Crow-Armstrong (Cubs centerfielder and probable NL MVP) in jest…or I sure hope it was lol

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Ruth Dunlap · August 13, 2026

Victoria's Secret pocket square! I laughed so hard I scared the dog! Murder Ordained currently free on YouTube. Thank you Team STM for all you do. See you in Dallas!

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Lyndie Simmons · August 13, 2026

My dad was one of the extras in the Murder Ordained TV movie (3rd base on the baseball team)! He and my mom were both college students at the time at ESU.

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Sinéad · August 13, 2026

Were they purposely recommending Apple TV shows on Netflix 😂

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BeDori · August 13, 2026

Consumer math was the best.

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Jon Ronn · August 13, 2026

My first comment was the similarities between the pastor and my father. Now as we get into Lorna.... Every time there's a pastor involved, it's almost always for the same reason.

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Maritza Diaz · August 13, 2026

The wood bridge brought back scary memories of the elevated subway platforms in Brooklyn when I was younger. You could see the street below through the gaps in the wood planks.

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Whitney Weisgerber · August 13, 2026

“Sweetly Slutty” 😅

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Macie Wilson · August 13, 2026

Come back to NC!! 😊😊

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Nurse Ratchet · August 13, 2026

Jimmie thinking farmers are part of the low income rate🤣🤣. Farmers have more money than all of us!

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Ashley Hain · August 13, 2026

Disgusted to say that the Westboro Baptists are in Topeka 🤢

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Elena Marquez · August 13, 2026

Former CC runner, it is a sickness and escapism

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Jae Melton · August 13, 2026

Can't wait for the Dallas show!!!!!!!

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NonniX2 · August 13, 2026

When Jimmie talked about his daughter driving, did anyone have the "omg she's old enough to drive already" reaction?😳🥺😆

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#justagirlandherdogchip · August 13, 2026

Yes!!

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Katherine Vogler · August 13, 2026

so, I listen to the patreon names because Jimmie fucking up a name will never not be funny. The bit about the patron with the von Shitshmeer legacy and the park in their name, notable local family, etc reminded me of something: may I introduce you all to the very real Cum Park Plaza of Burlington, NC?

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#justagirlandherdogchip · August 13, 2026

I’m a “Medical Technologist”!! 🔬 Today we’re known as “vampires” 🩸💉, or Lab Rats, 🥼 or often I hear “hey Lab Girl!” 🦸‍♀️ As a Medical Laboratory Scientist (MLS) aka Medical Laboratory Technologist, we are the behind the scenes healthcare heroes! We are first ones to know you have 🤍cancer, 🧫diseases, 🦠sickness, or 🧪abnormalities because we discovered and diagnosed it! 🩹 Then we tell your doctor (and they bring home the big paychecks. 🙄) We analyze patient samples like blood, urine, body fluids, tissue, and POOP!! There will be Poop! We use advanced laboratory instruments, analyzers, and microscopes to find to cause of all your ailments! Or hopefully a clean bill of health during your annual wellness exam! 📆. We perform vital diagnostic tests that help doctors detect diseases, identify infections, determine blood types for transfusions, pregnancy and infant blood typing for RhoGam determination , and monitor ongoing treatments, such as your grandma’s diabetes or blood thinner dosages. Basically EVERYTHING LAB! 🥼 🤍🔬 We pride ourselves by ensuring the accuracy of these laboratory results, because they provide the critical data needed for roughly 70% of all medical decisions made by physicians. It’s honestly the perfect career for those who love science, want to make a difference, and wanted to be a Nurse, but you don’t like people! 🤣 #womeninscience #justagirlandherdoggus.

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Jennifer Britten · August 14, 2026

You are truly the best in medical care! My daughter is one and she has educated me in ways no other Healthcare professional has Rock on, lab rat!

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Paul Estes · August 13, 2026

Living in Kansas City I remember this. Like James said.. The Kansas City Star did a en-depth multiple articles on it. I just wish James would have talked about the Halfway to Everywhere music Fest and talked about bands there. My friends have played there in 2024 and 2025. 🤣 But.. no Ludicris..

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Lisa Tyler · August 13, 2026

What a story! Dirty deeds done dirt cheap! That bozo pastor is a joke…a marriage counselor! LMAO He killed the wife and his lover’s hubby…I hope the devil has a special room for him in hell.

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Layla · August 13, 2026

I will have to relisten to this tomorrow, but eh, some however…falling asleep to STM has become a Wednesday gig…thanks James and Jimmie! 💜

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Monika in Surprise · August 13, 2026

Same…🥱😴

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Emm · August 13, 2026

Just…wow.

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Jane · August 13, 2026

I’ve puked while driving and it was awful.

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Tee Dub · August 13, 2026

Same. Luckily i was stopped at a train crossing so I had time to purge and then collect myself

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Jon Ronn · August 13, 2026

Like reliving my childhood with Lutheran pastor father.... He just didn't kill anyone... Yet

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Jill Royson · August 13, 2026

Lol @ yet

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Kyle Huge · August 13, 2026

Gotta love a dirty pastor ep

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Bri · August 13, 2026

Church horny always makes for the best episodes