BONUS - KURT COBAIN

My daddy supposedly killed himself when I was 12 with a 12 gauge shotgun under the chin and I found him. I won’t go into all of the gruesome details here , however several things in these details stand out to me. I looked into my daddy’s death recently AGAIN… even went over the crime scene photos (that vision never left my brain so I wasn’t being morbid) and I will say that the blood splatter was EVERYWHERE but not below his neck because it basically all went above his head and to the sides of his head. This is what stood out to me the most the difference in his hands and arms locations my daddy’s were laid perfectly beside him palms up fingers closed (like an upside down fist) NOT ON THE GUN at all. When the detectives were questioned then and 2 years ago they stated he had to have pulled the trigger with his toe🙄 I contacted Shelia Wysocki from the podcast Without Warning and she put me in touch with some local PIs that are top notch but I couldn’t afford them. I guess my point is if they both laid flat and killed themselves you would think there would be similarities in the position they were found. I hope they find who killed him because it definitely doesn’t sound like he committed suicide.

I’m 67 years old now…I loved Nirvana then and still!

For the note I actually don't think it's a suicide note, I think he just had written out his thoughts sometime before

Kurdts high school band was fecal matter

In regard to no fingerprints on the gun, the area of the house it happened was like a green room. It was very humid and wet in this room. Laying there for three days with the humidity erased any fingerprints. Even the letter was limp and kind of wet.

I went to a nirvana concert when I was 19. I was up front with some friends in the pit, and it got really violent. Like the worst one I was ever a part of. All of a sudden my friend and I found ourselves smashed up against the 6 ft chain link fencing that separated the crowd from the stage. Guys were behind us both groping and pulling on our clothes. My face was smashed into the chain link. I was so scared. All of a sudden the music stopped. Kurt came to the edge of the stage, pointed to us and told the guys to get off us. He said the concert was over if it happened again. He asked if we were okay, some of the guys were made to leave by security. And then he continued with the concert. It was surreal and is the first thing I think of when someone mentions him.

Dio was extremely deep if you listen to the words. Tesla, Whitesnake...Jackyl. So many! Kurt Cobain didn't rock & I couldn't understand a damn word he was saying.

100% Jimmie. He ruined '80s hair metal!!!! I ❤️ Jimmie & I like outlaw Country. I'm in Tennessee.

Now do Brian Jones from the stones

I fucking hate conspiratorial thinking so much.... Everything in this episode made me believe Kurt Cobain killed himself. I understand the reality of being a "tortured artist" type on an intrinsic level, because I am one. I'm a painter and I've spent most of my life feeling suicidal because of the follies of mankind. Kurt killed himself because people are horrible and make life harder than it needs to be. 🤷 It ain't flashy or glamorous or sensationalized, but that's the reality of it.

Kurt’s performance of “Where Did You Sleep Last Night” on Unplugged is absolute perfection 👌

Dude was worth more dead than alive- that catalog and IP = $$$

I was in junior high going to Hole concerts in Portland, Oregon in 1993 🤣

My daughter shares Kurt’s birthday. We’re both big fans.

I always wondered why he didn’t just OD. He didn’t need to shoot himself.

Muddy Banks of the Wishkah

I believe Kurt was planning on divorcing Courtney and she was terrified of loosing his money. She was the greedy one. I believe she found a journal of his and used one of his diary entries as a suicide note. I believe Courtney hired someone to kill Kurt. (Courtney also has a link to Epstein)

Thank you for reminding me how AMAZING that unplugged album was!

It was suicide, anything else is ridiculous. Kurt wanted to be a rock star, he later hated it. He was a mediocre talent that is highly overrated.

I was in high school when the band came on the music scene. I was kinda like Jimmie, thought that Nirvana killed the hair bands. It took becoming an adult to really appreciate Nirvana's music. Their Unplugged album is my favorite of anything Nirvana put out.

So I was a 20 yr old alt-rock chick when Nevermind exploded. First on alt-rock radio and then, of course, beat to death on pop radio/MTV. It was surreal going from weirdo to stylish cool kid within 6 months in 1991 and Nirvana had a lot to do with it. They were never my faves-I was more of a shoegaze/Madchester girl, but saw them live a few months before Kurt died.

I worked at Crest Theatre! Love this

I am a police detective and have been so for twenty one years today actually (congrats to me!). Anyway… I have worked many homicides and many more suicides with guns. I have to say when someone shoots themselves, there is no normal for what happens next. Guns and shell casings do weird things when guns are held during death. Also, you cannot apply what a normal or reasonable person should be thinking. When you make the decision t o kill yourself, you have gone against survival instincts and the will to live. But I do agree there are some weird things in this case. But weird does not mean you can rule it a homicide. Medical examiners only have a few rulings (homicide, suicide, overdose, natural). They can make comments, but they have to rule based on the preponderance of the evidence. Also… “Somthjng in the Way” is my favorite hands down.

Courtney dropping pills made me think of a punk Pig Pen. Was there decomposition fluid where he was found indicating he'd been there all along? Poor investigation. Tidied scene could be anything from stupid crime scene tech to murder. Now you have me leaning towards murder, having watched enough trials where suicides were actually murders. "Fitting death....He was an enigma in life." Well said Jimmie.

The cover of Man Who Sold the World is pretty good.

Love this episode. I told my daughter she can't wear a Nirvana shirt until we watch the full episode of the MTV unplugged in New York. The man who sold the world cover was great. Heart shaped box

Hey all - having lost my ex-husband to suicide in October (father of my kids who I was with for 30 years, and with whom I was still a close friend), I can understand why people search for an alternative solution. He and I are the same age as Kobain and loved Nirvana's music, and I can clearly remember listening to Courtney Love broadcasting after his death. Drugs or not, her grief was genuine. And he left a note - very unusual and not something our family received. There is no closure in these situations - for family or friends and his fans. That's why 30 years later everyone is still looking for the answer.

I think he was murdered. I always thought Courtney had something do w it. I have always had that thought!

He was our generation’s John Lennon

I love the progression of Jimmie's opinion throughout this episode. I'm also team "there's no fucking way he killed himself".

The shotgun was a variant of a Browning Auto 5. It was a semi auto shotgun, so the shell would eject on its own after being fired.

Btw I think it was assisted suicide. I think Kurt wanted to spike as much as he could and then have his brains blown out because that sounds super edgy.

People's lack of shame nowadays would have driven Kurt insane.

Who wrote Pennyroyal Tea?

I loved MTV Unplugged. Such a great series at the time. The greatest conspiracy from the 90’s. I never believed it from the beginning. Hate to admit it, but my first concert with my friends was Hole. At 15, we proudly wore our shirts after that. We thought we were hot shit!

Learning that Kurt died on or around my birthday messed me up for a long time, especially at 12 years old. But despite the plethora of grunge music that was out there, Nirvana was my first and go to. Unplugged taught me how to play guitar and appreciate the artist that was Kurt Cobain. Great to hear you guys are just as big of fans as I was.

It feels like the two theories are suicide or Courtney Love killed him or had him killed. What if a crazy fan killed him, or someone with a motive we don’t know about because they didn’t investigate?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think, for those of us who were teens at the time, Kurt's death was the first big music star that we lost. His grunge look also gave those of us with conservative parents a way to make our look rebellious and get away with it. As long as my clothes weren't too ripped, I could get away with wearing black boots, and my dad's old ratty flannels over a black tee shirt, and my parents didn't freak out too much.

Can you guys do Crime in Music for some Patreon episodes please! This is amazing

Remind me to tell you about that time Kurt Cobain got me banned from iHop.

You guys are spot on about the atmosphere around his death. I was 12 and living in Seattle when he died and girls at school were WEEPING and several of my friends missed days of school mourning. We also staged a middle school walkout to allow boys to wear skirts and dresses the same year (against school dress code) influenced by Kurt (shout out to Washington Middle School!)

Me forgetting I just subbed to patreon and thinking I need to skip through the first 3 mins of the show lol

This era of music, go back and listen to Lightening Crashes or Jeremy….it was a dark and wonderful era of music

I was 12 when he died and can vividly remember coming home from school and Kurt Loder telling us the news on MTV. Great episode. My 11 year old son is taking guitar lessons and one of the first riffs he learned is the beginning of “Come As You Are.” 🤘🏼

Why were there no finger prints in that room? That is crazy. He sure didn't wipe them down.

I personally think because of his mental health issues he was suicidal a lot and had written that note at some point, and then didn’t go through with it or didn’t overdose like he thought he would and whoever killed him use that to stage it

Jimmie, my husband had no trouble pulling the trigger on his shotgun 😞

You guys should totally go over the 1976 Grey Garden documentary. Shits hilarious

Always love the episodes and give them some fucking grace already. I’d like to hear another bonus on the 27yo club that they didn’t talk about. Robert Johnson, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Amy Winehouse

All the things about him being a slob, not brushing his teeth etc are all major signs of depression. I've known drug addicts who have very happily taken substances in vast quantities that would have killed a rhino. Also him shooting up multiple times is very indicative of his version of Dutch courage. I always wanted to believe it was murder, but I've known too many mentally broken, drug addicted, musicians/artists who sadly aren't here any more by there own hand over the years, to not be surprised. RIP Kurt, thanks for the soundtrack to my life 💜

Weird song names was started by Bob Dylan

Kurt was finally getting to a good place because his medical condition was finally figured out and treated, and he was divorcing Courtney. People close to him have said he was happier than they’d ever known him to be. Also Courtney shot him up all the time. And she asked multiple people to kill him. At least one of them who refused was killed shortly after, in suspicious circumstances. Her own father said she was evil.

I'm wondering if some of the forensic stuff can be explained by EMTs? Perhaps they moved the shotgun shells? It's possible he took a bunch of heroine, couldn't manage it himself and someone helped him along. Not maliciously, but because it was what Kurt wanted to do.

Enjoyed this episode immensely. I think James might be right. Still hate Courtney Love and Dave Grohl though

Not a brag, not a lie, I used to take 20 30mg immediate release morphine sulfate pills. I could (and would) take 30 Vicodin in as many minutes. Tolerance can really be built up and change person to person.

Courtney and Danny did it.

His house was on an island -it’s called Medina. It has hundreds of inlets that squirm around the entire island. The house a big and beautiful -everyone is Lake Front property. You have to take I-90 floating bridge on Lake Washington to get there!. My husband worked with Kurt at a futon factory way back before he was famous. James-I’m 60 and my husband and I were both Nervana Fans. We also loved Green Day and Janice Joplin etc. you give 60 year olds a bad rap!

I subscribe to the assisted suicide theory. He wanted to die, someone helped him make sure it happened. No mistakes like last time.

D7. I graduated in 1997 and did an essay about this my senior year. I've always said it was murder.

I unfortunately know too much about suicide with a shotgun to the mouth. The trigger can be pushed with the big toe. No blood on hands.

Kurt was murdered. I’ve never believed otherwise.

Not surprised by his wealth or lack of. Watched a Van Halen interview with Eddie, Alex and Dave and they said that they were 1 million in debt after the release of their first album and tour because of shut record deals

He was left handed. Would you pull the trigger with the non dominant hand?

Kurt Cobain was a self absorbed prick obsessed with being viewed as deep kids now would call him cringe. he would have faded away for sure, probably after making an ass out of himself the way Courtney did. I like Nirvana's music but you gotta be real here. Also Jimmy you like whatever music you want bud don't let James tell you otherwise 😂😆

To be clear, I am not accusing ANYONE. That being said, do we know where Dave was at the time of death? He fled to Ireland rather quickly....

Unrelated but not entirely, there’s a version of Where Did You Sleep Last Night by Ramsey that is the best I’ve ever heard 🖤

I remember where I was when I heard of the OD and again later his suicide. Crazy it happened shortly after Unplugged much like Layne Staley’s passing after AIC did their amazing Unplugged performance

I was 19 years old when Kurt Cobain died. I was deeply into grunge and his death was tragic. And I did like Nirvana quite a bit, but it was Pearl Jam that changed my world.

The suicide note could very well have been something he wrote ages before and someone used it to stage things..... Or he wrote it then and did suicide. Only thing I'm sure lf is that we'll never really know.

When I read the book “ Perfume” and later found out that it was Kurt’s favorite book the lyrics made so much more sense. Iconic music that will forever hold up.

I’m 63 and I loved Nirvana. Lol. My teenage son played it on a road trip he and I were on. And it grew on me:)

He killed himself. People look at these tragedies emotionally and not objectively, especially an enigmatic celebrity. I’ve worked in hospitals for 20 years, you wouldn’t believe the boatloads of IV narcotics, with other sedatives like benzodiazepines on board, that people can take and remain lucid. Someone with a high tolerance… they can take what seems like an impossible amount. Heroin and pills were his liquid courage. The pathology findings… he was dead for days before being found, the decomp affects the autopsy findings and appearance of the tissues. Blood spatter… through the mouth is known to have less blow back. As for the shotgun being upside down, the barrel is round and smooth, it could have rotated in his top hand after it fired. He was depressed, strung out on drugs, he had a history of suicidal ideation, his wife was threatening to leave him, and in his note he wrote that his daughter would be better off without him. That’s a fairly common belief with suicide victims. Who knows why he put his drug kit away neatly, people do really weird things when they’re not in their right mind. Just sad all around.

Not to be morbid but suicide by gun is not always "messy." I know Cobain shot himself with a rifle and that's worse than a handgun in terms of bodily damage. However, my husband took a .22 handgun, placed it in his ear and pulled the trigger. Whenever I found him, it just looked like he was sleeping. He'd tucked himself into bed and that's it. No note. No mess, really, except for blood/fluids on the pillow. It devastated me. I even went down the "he was murdered" rabbit hole because I was interrogated by the cops like I fucking killed him. I stupidly thought maybe they're on to something with a murder theory. Then I came to my senses. He always told me that it was his right to leave when he was ready. He was a tortured soul, kind of like I imagine Kurt Cobain was. Too much happening around them that they couldn't really control. My husband was addicted to pills due to a brain tumor. I think they both got to a point where chasing the high and not having anything to show for their hard work, combined with taking on the pain of themselves and everyone around them, plus addiction, was just too much. Like this is it. No where to go but down and if I'm going down, I'm going on my terms. I could be completely wrong. As James was telling the details of Kurt's life, it hit deep into my soul and my lived experience.

Courtney Love should be sentenced to life in West Virginia. Not jail, just to be forced to live there forever.

I have always been on the suicide thought train. Until I heard that he had done all of that heroin and Valium on top of it. I’m a recovering addict, heroin and multiple other substances. There is no way if he took that amount of Heroin with a benzo that he would be able to shoot himself with a shotgun.

For what it's worth in my capacity as a chauffeur/personal protection professional I drove Dave Grohl for three days while he was screening his film up in the Napa valley and he was incredibly humble and cool.

Dave Grohl never had to answer for being associated with a nuthouse medical crazy bitch who's daughter and herself died from AIDs just ignoring any facts any doctor would say.

Love you guys but a shotgun is never ever a “long rifle”. I’ve known one person that killed himself with a shotgun and the cops tried to call it a murder and charge my brother. I also had a friend who killed himself by setting his car on fire and then shooting himself. He was trying to save on the cleanup. Suicide leads to crazy things in people. My buddy wrote the funniest suicide note you’d ever want to read. I think with Cobain the suicide is hard to accept because people don’t like to believe that people that have “everything” would just never do that. I was never a Nirvana fan but I remember how big of a deal this was then. I was a senior in HS and this affected a lot of people I knew deeply.

Assisted suicide has always been my thought. There was someone who helped him do what he wanted. It could been any junkie in Seattle.

I was 25, at home with a newborn when Kurt died. My husband and I were big fans and it hit us hard. We were just out of college and really loving the whole grunge music movement. We both firmly believed then and now that it was a suicide.

I’m the same age as his daughter, so everything I know about this has been secondhand. But I think maybe there’s truth to both the suicide and homicide theories: what if he set out to kill himself and had someone help? Someone who was there so that he could get super fucking high, enough to not feel even the slightest bit of fear or hesitancy, then that person helped him with the gun to finish it. Whoever that was wiped everything down and straightened up the scene so that they wouldn’t be implicated for any of it, but their involvement muddied the waters. It seems like someone had to have been there to assist with all of this because some of it is so hard to explain as a solo act.

Maybe he writes stuff like that all the time? I think Courtney had something to do with it. I think he was not wanting to be together anymore or he was writing her out of his will or something.

This is my age of course and I have always found it very suspicious... They botched it so bad even if it was a suicide it feels wrong!! I could not stand the hair bands 🤢

They were bottom of my grunge list, not because I didn’t like them entirely. Just preferred Soundgarden, Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam. Remember go in to buy Weird Al’s “Smells like Nirvana” Was actually disappointed when I got home and found they had put the “Nevermind” cassette in by accident 😂

Nirvana Unplugged is my favorite. Kurt's cover of Where Did You Sleep Last Night is so chilling. Freaking brilliant. And I will never believe it was suicide. I'll die on this hill. Do I think given Kurt's mental state at the time it's possible? Yes. But do I think that's what happened? Nope.

This is my crazy thought. I still have this thought that he wanted to od, did the task, but someone didn't want him to be on the news as another junkie death so staged it to cover the od death. So shot after death or shortly after.

I was 23 and managed a CD store and got all the CDs free so my employees and I sampled everything. A 16 yo employee turned me onto the first Nirvana CD and 2 Live Crew around the same time. Thanks, Roland!

I was 15 when Kurt Cobain died. I cried like an idiot full on in my parents living room. Now that I'm older I realize the reasons I loved Nirvana but couldn't put my finger on then because 15 year olds have the emotional intelligence of a potato. It's punk. 🤷‍♀️ They acted and dressed in a way that said "If you don't like us in pigtails and dresses with dirty hair and a 3 day beard, this isn't FOR you anyway. We don't care." I lived in far too conservative an environment to be able to do it myself. I'm sure for others it was the Sex Pistols or The Ramones. Or Slayer or Black Sabbath. Etc etc. Today the artist that I love in that way is Billy Strings. He's going to show up at a Bluegrass festival with pink hair and painted fingernails, ripped out earlobes covered in tats and piss your grandpa off because hes better than EVERYONE ELSE. I. Just. Fucking. Love. It.

https://youtu.be/DhxA2HR0lPc?si=wPCFxXIYOqe_Xgy8 This is odd behavior

So looking forward to this!! Found out a few years ago that Kurt is like my 6th cousin

At the 1:50 mark you can hear james take a dap pen rip to properly get prepared for this deep dive haha

Kurt Cobain sucked. Nirvana sucked. Long Live Hair Metal! And Aesrosmith's unplugged remains the best.

The guys crack me up about people who are in their 60’s now, thought he was that annoying guy in flannel. I was 24 at the time he died. I love nirvana, loved them then, love them now. Most of us Gen X are more badass than people think.

Kurt was in so much pain from his medical problems is why he did so many drugs. If you look at him towards the end of his career he was start to get hunched over from the scoliosis.

Good stuff, I thought one of you guys would pick one side, but tbh I’m in that same boat. I’ve been on the he was murdered train them back to he killed himself. Soaked in Bleach made me think he was merced, either way, it’s like Jimmy said it’s probably the best way of a rock start to go out. I was yelling THE GERMS when James was talking about Pat haha, one of my favorites from childhood.

The guy who bought the shotgun put him out of his misery while he was oding.

Meat Puppets were a huge influence on his vocals and also wrote Lake of Fire and Plateau. They rule.

Jimmy.. More time than not DO NOT TALK! You really show how dumb you are.. I like you at times but your are not very bright

If I had a time machine id go see nirvana live

Fun and boring fact; tesla was the first to do the unplugged thing

Kurt Cobain would be 58 now, and his band mates are 57-66. 60 year olds knew & mourned Kurt. We're old, but not *that* old.

As good as Nirvana was Alice In Chains will always be my favourite

My son and I really bonded over their Unplugged cover of The Man Who Sold The World. He knew Bowie before Nirvana. Great coverage guys!!

I watched a YouTube doco some time ago that said Courtney knew he was talking divorce and they had a prenup because she thought Hole was going to be bigger than Nirvana. I don't know how factual it was but they said that she set a hit on him but told the person to make it look like a suicide. I'll preface the next point they made with - I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GUNS - that the gun was too long to shoot where it did and his hand to reach the trigger. I've heard a few different things about his death. Including that the gun was on the floor on the opposite side it would be thrown from shooting. It's so hard to know and I go back and forth just as James said he did. Everytime I hear anything there are slight changes. But yes, if his hand was clean he didn't pull the trigger.

I believe it was made to look like a suicide.

I really appreciate James' patience when explaining something. He doesn't get exasperated, nor does he act better than someone. Good job, James.

I hate to be that guy, but Pennyroyal Tea was not a cover.

I want to rewatch the Soaked in Bleach documentary after this. The shell casing finding blows my mind.

This made me feel 14 again and it was awesome. Now I have to go get lit on my dad’s Bailey’s in the sump…

This is the one conspiracy theory I stand on. I truly think Courtney Love had him killed. I don’t think he killed himself, especially after listening. There’s just way too much that doesn’t add up to a suicide.

This was so good love you guys

Read (or listen, he has a great voice) Mark Lanegan's Sing Backwards and Weep for a very close look at both Kurt Cobain and Layne Staley from someone in the shadows of the scene.

Oh, and love Lake of Fire.

I am in my 60's, but my daughter introduced me to Nirvana. Kurt Cobain was ridiculously talented. It is such a tragic loss no matter how it happened. I remember my daughter and her friends crying and all proclaiming Courtney killed him. She's 41 now and still stands by that.

I'm still at the beginning, but Jimmie likes hair metal?! Is that how Jimmie lost his hair?🤣

If any of you have seen his house where he died on lake Washington is such a great place. It's a millions dollar estate that someone bought and right below it is the biggest gay nude beach on the whole of Seattle. Fuck you, big tech!!!

Jimmy is so funny with it.

When he died, I couldn't get out of bed. I'm a very white male fan, I couldn't get out of bed when I heard it.

Why wouldn't someone just overdose him then, if they wanted him dead. Makes no sense to shoot him up to that point then stage a suicide. I'd like to look into the forensic side more closely.. so much is all over the place. Very interesting, though. Could argue both.. but, I still think suicide is most likely. Unless someone else had found him before then and left.. I need to research more about his body position, the gun, the way so much heroin in one's body can affect the way it reacts to the gunshot.. all types of stuff. Crazy. Loved it.

Smells Like Teen Spirit Heart-shaped Box

Why, if someone were wanting him dead.

To me, the “he had recently turned down $10m to do lollapalooza” and the fact that he was generally broke combine to make a huge question mark. Not to get all tinfoil hat about it, but I would imagine there were a lot of managers, agents, representatives, bookers, etc who were pissed that Nirvana wasn’t making them the huge amount of money they’d come to expect when a band gets so wildly popular. Financially speaking, I’m sure a lot of people saw him as worth more dead than alive.

What about that last song, "you know you're right"!? How that was recorded just by itself.... I wish somebody would touch base on where their minds were when that final song was recorded~~√√√

Lounge Act Aneurysm Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge On Seattle

That last part of his “note” is from “Hey Hey My My”

Gen X ers remember where they were when they heard the news. That's how big it was.

Blew On A Plain Negative Creep Top 3 is hard haha. I like Serve The Servants too.

Lmao “there is no smoking gun” hahaha

I love that James is a Nirvana fan. About a Girl and Drain You, in my top 5. I think Courtney had him killed, always thought that. Her band made it pretty big after he died…🤷🏻‍♀️

Have they tried to get touch DNA off of the receipt? Down a rabbit hole I go…

Yes! Been waiting!!

Kurt cancelled hair bands before it was even a thing to get cancelled and somehow seemed authentic doing so versus just competitive.

Nirvana Unplugged, IMO, is one of the most beautiful albums of all time.

Just joined Patreon for these guys. I can’t wait for all of the extra episodes 😃

On A Plain, Lithium, About A Girl.

If I remember correctly from the conspiracies there was also suspicion surrounding the injection site on his arm that it looked like someone else did it based on how sloppy it was and his experience. I’ve always been a homicide believer! Thanks for putting this together.

Swap Meet, Drain You, and Molly's Lips.

The thing about the note is most of it, which looks like his handwriting, could easily just be a letter about leaving music. The only part that indicates suicide is written at the bottom and looks like different handwriting entirely.

It would be cool to hear more episodes on musicians. I grew up on Nirvana, but never did much research on Kurt's death or any of his antics before his death.

He was severally depressed, it was suicide. James you did a great job, heroin addicts are so dramatic, he prob had a giant tolerance. He prob got the best smack around. The ass hole who's been trying to say it's murder is an insufferable idiot. I had the High Times that had an interview w Sicky Wifebeater saying he was offered money from Courtney Love. I've recently started listening to the Meat Puppets version of the 3 songs on Unplugged. Btw Unplugged was so awesome. I was glad to see hair metal die. Kurt did get me really into grunge and rock that I discovered myself. It's crazy how many artists died after doing Unplugged, Layne Staley looked horrible. Burn out than Fade away is a Neil Young quote or song.

Just wanted to say that I LOVED this episode because of the thorough research and excellent storytelling. I thought I knew everything about the circumstances around Kurt’s death (I was a college sophomore at the time), but after listening, I clearly didn’t. DAMN. Well done guys.

All Apologies

Heart Shaped Box is one of my favorite songs of all time. I remember Kurt being the first rock star that I thought made songs that actually meant something. No more Cherry Pie and Jump bullshit and I loved it.

I'm ready, I'm strapped in. I know nothing except that it Might have been accidental overdose 5:20 The Unplugged made me think he had a better Man who sold the world than Bowie

Lake of Fire is not a country song it was written by The Meatpuppets ( From Arizona ). Musicians from The Meatpuppets performed with Nirvana during Lake of Fire on said Unplugged episode.

Kurt had insufferable debilitating stomach pain problems that never stopped and he could not live with.

Pennyroyal Tea is definitely my favourite but then my 2nd and 3rd changes a lot.. Drain You, Dumb, About a Girl, Something in the Way. For a bit of a palate cleanser after the episode, watch Puddle of Mudd's About a Girl cover 😏

This reminds me of the hotel Cecil episode where they talk about internet sleuths breaking down Jimmie making a sandwich (which is very funny btw.) My point is, you can interpret things way differently than intended if you think about it too much.

Remember what Chappelle did when comedy central offered 50 million to be funnier the next season? Kurt didn't want 10 million. He didn't want to be part of the machine.

Quoting Neil Young in the suicide note

This is one of my favorite Bonus Episodes. Well done. Sidenote... I was 19 & moving into my 1st Apartment the day News broke of this. My Boyfriend & his Friend showed up to help and the Friend said he was going into mourning and he wore all black for like, 2 months. It was so big. Thanks for this. Took me down memory lane for a few hours.

Foo fighters aren't that bad. Come on guys. Yea its definitely not nirvana. I wouldn't want it to be like nirvana anyway. So many great songs by those guys. Give them another listen. Even if its just the hits album

Kurt was my second cousin on my dad's side and suicide was pretty prevalent. My grandpa and I talked about it once. His dad tried to hang himself and when that didn't work he impaled himself with a sword. I'm also related to Brian Keith. The dad from the original parent trap. He killed himself too. My mom's side are all alcoholics so my genes are set up for failure.

Yes that's a good point Jimmy, if somebody has been wearing the same pants for 3 days, they'd probably have more in their pockets than just a suicide note, huh?

I have always found it interesting that Kurt Cobain was anti establishment and just wanted to play music. But by killing himself he made himself an icon that propelled him in to a level of fame that few could ever match

Nirvana was my first concert when I was 16, he was dead 3 months later

Hunter Thomson used a shotgun I believe. Hemingway too I think.

Mosh etiquette ✨💛✨

I remember a garage band played "Heart-Shaped Box" in the 5th grade talent show, which went way over the adult's heads. And my mama crushed my Nirvana mix tape when she heard me singing "R**e Me". Fair. I was 11.

Finally! We can agree on Lake of Fire and Where Did You Sleep Last Night. There may be hope for you boys yet!

Read Mark Lanegan's autobiography. It's heartbreaking and really settles the issue. It actually made me think a little differently about Courtney too.

I thought it was murder until I heard more about his chronic stomach pain. It was the reason he started using heroin. Chronic pain can make people not care about anything. He had attempted suicide, spoke about wanting to die, and thought everyone would be better off without him. I agree with the above comment that the cleanliness of his stash may have been manic cleanup. He definitely could have handled what would be considered a lethal dose. As far as using a shotgun, I wonder if it was just what he was familiar with shooting. He wasn't big into guns until he felt he needed them to protect himself. Murder feels like a reach to me. But I also think if they could reopen the case just to show everyone there isn't evidence of murder, it might change some minds. Or it might just cost lots of taxpayer dollars.

Have to chop up this episode because I have to listen to every song mentioned

In no particular order… Aneurysm Breed School

Ya'll are crazy! Look on you tube for david grohl in a drum off against Animal from the Muppets. ( Yes, the Muppets!!) It will blow you away.

Former I.V. heroin user. Kurt may've expressed suicidal ideation leading up to his death, but this was a homicide. Something in the way.

There’s a pretty detailed Reddit post that explains a lot of the more bizarre or hard to swallow facts of this case. This includes the shell casing position. There are also 2 videos included in the post that show someone under 5’5 being perfectly capable of using the gun Cobain used in his suicide. I also have an anecdote from my own experience about the neat and tidy works station. It’s not uncommon to fall into a sort of manic state when incredibly high on heroin. If you then factor in the guilt he was feeling with that drug induced mania, you wind up with this bizarre urge to make sure everything is as tidy and easy to digest as possible for the unfortunate souls who will inevitably come upon this gruesome scene. Like, “Hey, it’s the least I could do to clean up my rig, and put the note somewhere it won’t get blown away, disturbed by a mouse, or soaked in blood. “ There’s no way to know what he was truly thinking in the final seconds, but I think he got well in the morning, made his choice, and then got good and high immediately prior to eating his gun. I’m sharing the link to that Reddit post for those that are interested in what I consider to be logical explanations to the more illogical parts of this event. Excellent episode, guys and Sarah! And I agree, Lake of Fire, Plateau, and Dumb were incredible, especially Unplugged. But my all time favorite is Where Did You Sleep Last Night if for only that insane screech he did in the final chorus. https://www.reddit.com/r/kurtcobain/s/VJMDK34oXG

Everything being put neatly away actually makes a lot of sense to me. He didn't want to leave a mess (other than himself I guess). I used to think murder but I'm pretty sure it's suicide and Courtney has gotten more hate than she deserves, and Hole was a good band.

How Dare You!! I am 64 and I have NEVER considered Kurt Cobain as just some guy wearing flannel! flannel!! You youngsters need to give us more respect!! Dang whipper-snappers!!

The mention of the lead singer of The Mentors claiming Courtney Love tried to pay him to kill Kurt needs the context that The Mentors were a band who exclusively sang about assaulting women and referred to themselves as "rape rock". Grade A scumbags whose words should be taken with all the salt in the world. He got hit by a train cuz he got fucked up and fell asleep on the tracks because thats how big a scumbag he was

The most troubling thing is that his left hand was on the barrel. Kurt was left handed so why would his left hand be on the barrel

I'm gonna go listen to the mtv unplugged and rejoice in the whole James and Jimmie universe. I love you all❣️

Watch soaked in bleach

Loved Nirvana, love Courtney. Crazy how the the boys think she was only known because of Kurt. I still remember first time I saw a pic of Hole I recognised her from being in the Sid & Nancy movie.

What’s everyone’s top three Nirvana songs? Mine are Aneurysm, Turnaround and Son of a Gun. But my other faves would be all his Vaselines covers. Underrated band. ♥️

Shout out to everyone who knows that the QUEEN and GODDESS Melora Creager played the cello during the 1994 In Utero tour

I'll never forget they found Kurt dead on my 11th birthday. That same year I got my first few cds including nirvana unplugged. One of my favorite albums to this day. His death has always been very suspicious to me. I do hope they uncover the truth one day. Excited to hear what the guys have to say about this!

Sooo fucking excited for this one!!..born in ‘83, Kurt and Nirvana inspired me to learn guitar, and shaped my love of music 🤘

Olympia is my hometown! Saw their very 1st gig with Dave Grohl. At The Surf Club downtown. Great times!

3 of my favorite guys. Unfortunately the subject isn't with us.

Nirvana unplugged will forever be in my favorite 10 albums! ❤️

Courtney Love hate really is such a red flag, IMO.

Hey man I'm gonna be 57 and I was crushed. I was so upset I almost got into a fight at a gas station because some jerk called the cashier a bitch. I just lost my mind. I loved that guy

I clicked so fast 😭

3RD comment BUUUUT 1st heart..hehe..Love you guys!! See ya 3/21!!! Phx blows..lol

Finally, the boys prove Courtney love is guilty 👍

Yessss....I've been waiting for you guys to cover this. I don't think he did it to himself, never have.

This will be REALLY interesting

YYAYYYYYY

Whoooooott!