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Thought (because I am drunk and I listened to that weird episode of Blood Work about fascist fetishism): A car is like a horse in that it can be tamed and it is ridden by a masculine archetype insert. But since it does not have the weaknesses of a horse (it cannot talk back to you or bite you because a car is metal) it is superior. It is a metaphorical metal horse that one can 'master' and therefore the perfect companion to 'man'. . . . I'm going to go take a shower and drink water.

Thank you so much for this! I work on "The best motorsport magazine in the world" and group B is an era we all talk about in hushed tones. One of our freelancers actually drove the Ford that killed all those fans on the same road for one of our issues. It's a piece of Portugese sporting history.

When Alice brought up the image of doing a Guinness pour on mouse homogenate, I fully spat out my coffee for the first time in my life. Awful. Thank you.

The "race to the death" reminded me of this exceptional content: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hvuRBzitV0

Hey, really liked the episode. I myself am to young to have seen the Group B era. But as a Finn Rally is a sport that I admire. Not as much now days, the last " wildcard " being Marcus Grönholm? Saying wild shit at the finnish line. And "going for it " even if there was not a need. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for making this episode. And if I may. I have a link to a video, in some way fitting to the subject matter. A tribute to Hannu Mikkola who passed away Feb 2021. A video put together from 1000 Lakes Rally 1985, when Hannu broke the record. There is an interview ( in Finnish ) were he is also quite nostalgic. (" It was WILD thing to drive. Without the rear spoiler. Coming down from jumps. You had NO IDEA of were it was going to go. Almoast 600 Horespower, from 0 - 100Km/h in under 3 seconds, and 200km/h in 9 seconds. I remember well the straight at Ouninpohja. 6th gear were it " popped " against the rev limiter. And the limiter was set at 220km/h. They truly were amazing things " As I understand it, he was not as big of a asshat to Michelle as the other drivers. ( And I can't remember witch one, Röhl or Vatanen. Who said that they would not be beaten by a woman. She did! Dumbass. ) Anyway, lot of iconic quotes. And in the older days, WILD comebacks. When the drivers did not care for their saftey. The trees ( people ) or their carriers. " When in doubt, flat out " ( Colin McRae ) https://youtu.be/FwdOw1rjmBk

I love watching rally racing whenever I happen to catch it; I had no idea it was so deadly! Check out cyclocross - it shares the same inexplicable difficulty in course design, without all of the death. Plus there are barriers keeping spectators off of the course, crazy right!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAB30dIEDss

Genevra Delphine Mudge of New York was the first woman to drive a car w/ a license. She also becomes the first woman to race a car and have an accident. She hits five pedestrians during the race . Women drivers later are referred to as “Mudge followers” for being considered poor drivers.

There is a thing called a but-for cause in the law. The people being in the road is a but-for cause of their deaths, whereas the speed of the cars is not.

Aryan a Nazi thing not a fash thing. The Nazis were a very different kind of thing than, say, Mussolini, Salazar, Schuschnigg...

Liam at 23:11: "So what I'm hearing is Triple - A is fash?" Me: "... If it stands for Aryan Automobile Association... maybe?"

Dang it this video doesnt work for me.

I was so happy when you all called that outfit a Canadian Tuxedo.

"The swedes have snus for a reason" Snus not only makes your heart and brain go fast, but your sick race car too.

In that rally photo of Liam and Roz, its important to note that Liam isn't wearing a glove.

You need to be make these audio recordings that can downloaded and listenes anytime.

Love this. you guys should do more motorsport content. wonderful to add new perspectives to "car bad"

This whole episode seems oddly prescient given Romain Grosjean's horrific crash and amazing survival in the F1 Bahrain Grand Prix yesterday. I personally think it ought to make the Goddamn News. I don't think the danger is one of the main alluring factors for motorsport--not for me, at least, and hardly for anyone in the modern paddock. No one wants to see a driver, or a marshal, or a photographer, or anyone else injured or killed. The reaction yesterday was of collective shock and horror, followed by deep relief when we saw Grosjean out of the car. There is unavoidably an aspect of danger in motorsport (the guys who run the 24 Hours of Lemons series have a great take on it in one of their post-race wrap-up videos; I can try and dig it up if you want). But it's more about the adrenaline rush and the will to win these days, I think, at least among the athletes.

Is the video still broken for anyone else?

I’ve been thinking about Alice’s last question in this episode: ‘why the nostalgia?’ I think there’s a few layers to it. The first is how we experience speed. Nearly all Group B spectators will have either seen or been on something going faster than those rally cars, like planes or very fast trains. But experiencing speed is at least a little bit subjective. Going downhill at 30kmh on a bike is a much more subjectively real experience of speed than doing the same thing in a car going 60kmh. There’s more senses involved - you feel the wind, you smell the cut grass, you see the road close below your feet. I suspect that spectating a Group B race is as subjectively fast an experience as it is possible to get relatively safely. The noise, the smell, the flying dust and stones makes it feel very fast. I’m not surprised spectators tried to touch the cars. Touch is about the only sense not engaged here. I would be surprised if they even knew they were doing it. The second thing going on is I think a sense of how things have changed since Group B was disbanded. This is where the class character comes in. Group B cars represented the absolute limit of human technical skill. From the engineers who built the cars, to the mechanics, to the drivers, they were all at least seen to be expressing the limits of what could be achieved with brains and hands. At the time, robots were taking over manufacturing, and since then, computers have slowly been integrated into cars. This makes them much safer and at least as fast, but these developments have been characterised, fairly or not, as replacing human technical skill. What you end up with, if you saw a Group B race, must be about the same feeling as having been there when Jimmi Hendrix eviscerated The Star Spangled Banner. And what you feel if you weren’t there is the desire to have been there.

A scarily professional episode from Alice.

I patroned. Is it possible to get special podcast feed so I find nd and listen from my podcast app?

finally bit the bullet and subbed, love you guys

Patroned just to listen to this episode; all the other bonus episodes work. Not this one. Errors every (100+) attempt.

Dammit I keep getting errors when I try to play this thing

Playing Dirt: Rally while listening to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwrHwZyFN7M

shaking hands with danger by trying to shake hands with fast car

The slanting effect in the second image is due to the slow movement of the shutter in old cameras. To get higher shutter speeds on a very large film plane, a slit moves across the film. The slit shutter mechanism travels too to bottom but the image is flipped on the film plane. The top part of the wheel and car is exposed just slightly later than the bottom. Idk if that’s interesting but useless facts seem to make up the show

No no no, you're thinking of the French driver who said "you must think of them as cheese."

Every cop in all these pictures are the same guy.

Every cop in all these pictures are the same guy.

this grand!! just had to scrap my 2011 mazda 3 by bottoming out and firing a bolt from the AC pump into the engine block by pretend rally driving on logging roads in northern maine. buy a skid plate, get a lift, only drive a car you dont want. peace and love x

Very good episode, though I feel like the still images don't do justice to the terror that was group b. The bits of dash cam footage I've seen were legitimately the most terrifying car racing footage I've ever seen. Those cars are careening FAST towards those crowds of people.

boxy fast cars 4 eva

I've been waiting for this for awhile. Also if you wanted some other fun motorsport related ones, the attempted CART event at Texas in 2001 is easy pickings... because the race was slated to go ahead even though NASA had to tell them that it was a bad idea, plus all of the politics involved between CART and the Indy Racing League at the time. There's also the comically bad Life W12 F1 engine and the Tyrrell P34. Or for a non-motorsport related disaster, Celebration, Florida.

This absolutely ruled

I just love the fact on that slide with the quattro at the end that the Allianz Ad reads "hopefully insured"

I'd say it's far less of a blood sport, but fundamentally, at it's core. Racing is a dance with death. For the most part abstracted away by safety advancements, but yeah it can still kill ya real good if you get in just the right bad situation.

i had to homogenize zebrafish larvae for our nautral products research lab but at the very least they were too young to have pain receptors yet. we also gave them diabetetes by alloxan and starved them as a control to test drugs on but y'know it's the science and they only live for 48 hrs w/o suffering... :(

So motorsport is basically bloodsport?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJeyrZzhxjM I put the link in the comments fight me* *comedic value may vary

Oh man this Timo Salonen guy, what a heartthrob! ❤️

Not to be an asshole about the last bonus episode, but I'm glad I can listen to this bonus episode without getting sensory overload

I’m getting a playback error 😢

Alice SimCity 2000 stream when?

Today's cars are basically just as fast as Group-B. The difference is the crowd rules and organization are more competent. You don't heat about WRC anymore because the cars have less character than the Group-B days and Loeb and Ogier completely dominated the sport for like 15 years.

voiture vroum

Just got home from driving on ice roads among reindeer. Cars bad.

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That cliff face photo nearly gave me a panic attack.

Man, just like group C racing of the same era just the complete loud screamy bonkers of it gives it appeal

My dad is acquaintances with Ari Vatanen, and he is indeed an enormous dickhead.

I might have thumbed through and spied the Polytron. This can't bee good.

Yes

Not gonna lie I thought this was about bees

Ah, memories from my youth.

Group b, the height of mans hubris. Something so cool it couldn’t be allowed to exist