Rhinelander v. Rhinelander with Princess Weekes
Can the power of love ever conquer the love of power? When Leonard Kip Rhinelander, the heir son of a wealthy New York real estate family, met a working class girl named Alice Jones in the 1920s, it became a passionate romance for the ages. That is, until the Rhinelander family found out about Alice’s mixed race background and threatened to cut Kip off from their fortune, transforming a happy new marriage into a public legal nightmare. For this episode, ____ correspondent Princess Weekes tells Sarah the story of the landmark 1925 annulment case of Rhinelander v. Rhinelander and also provides context about how state governments were defining whiteness and Blackness after the Civil War, and together they discuss the modern versions of the pseudoscientific ideas still making the rounds in certain online spaces. Digressions include the Dakota Land Rush, a potential co-op in drafty castle tower, and the hope for a Meghan Markle Book Club.
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Comments (15)
It looks like the RSS feed for the regular podcast is broken. The one released today doesn't play and neither do any of the episodes in the back catalog.
I was presently surprised at the 2025 screen adaptation of The Long Walk. It wasn't perfect (nothing is LOL) but it captured how I felt when I read the book in high-school decently well. Curious on any of y'all's thoughts. The book had a big impact on me back then.
Such a great episode! So much information but also fun. I didn’t know who Princess was before this, but will definitely be searching out more of their content. Thank you for putting out such great content with the most amazing guest!
you gotta watch some of the Grand Designs episodes with castles in; the people who buy a castle in Yorkshire to do up and accidentally collapse parts of it is a classic. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xm1lke (if you have access to streaming direct from Channel 4 in the US that would be best, but it's hard to link individual episodes)
ok so! the rhinelander mansion aka ralph lauren headquarters—originally a gift from the family to st james episcopal church, which is right next door. they sold it in the 80’s, but—st james is where the gossip girl wedding was filmed! so there you go. and mr big takes his mom to church at central pres on park avenue. but you have definitely seen holy trinity on your tv screens, home to many a terrible crime on law and order (both original and svu) along with several other shows.
“I would date that cathedral” had me cackling. I love a Princess and Sarah collab!
I’m from Wisconsin. There’s a city called Rhinelander in Wisconsin. I thought this was gonna be a story about some wild turn-of-the-century Hatfield and McCoy type of shit lol.
I am also an April birthday and a HUGE The Long Walk fan, so only two minutes in and this is already the greatest podcast episode ever. I was literally thinking about the book during my walk this morning lol
also Sarah you HAVE to watch the movie, it's so good!!!
History, YWA and Princess Weekes? It’s a great morning.
Guys I think you accidentally posted this ep on the main feed too, as the Sarah Archer ep. Just a heads’ up. Loving the episode!
Yep, I noticed that too.
I only support a few podcasts and two of them did a Rhinelander v Rhinelander episode this month?! Momentarily confusing but great, it’s a story worth hearing from many angles. (Criminal Pod just put theirs out a couple weeks ago.)
I had the same thought! It was nice to get the formal version of the story from Phoebe Judge and then some smart gals debriefing about it from Princess and Sarah.
I couldn’t click fast enough once I saw the combination of Sarah and Princess ☺️