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February 24, 2026

Dolls with Dolls with Chelsey Weber-Smith

Don’t our dolls deserve to be creepy too? Inspired by her newfound interest in dolls that have their own dolls, Sarah and urban legend correspondent Chelsey Weber-Smith of American Hysteria dip into the history of our relationship to these sometimes unnerving little friends. They discuss Thomas Edison’s disastrous “little monsters,” the brutal backstories of haunted dolls sold on eBay, the first (adorable) academic study into the ways kids treat these particular playthings, and the new visibility of reborn dolls—and the people who love them—online. Digressions include Chelsey in Sarah’s crawlspace, the Pleasant Company, a less accomplished Sylvia Plath, and Minnie Mouse’s blood pressure.

Send your doll memories, doll opinions, doll thoughts, and any materials you've made a doll out of to sloppyandalive@gmail.com

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Comments (73)

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Thom Johnson · April 3, 2026

Nothing could have prepared me for how terrifying those dolls sounded.

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RC Starheart · March 31, 2026

Dolls who have dolls are the luckiest dolls in the world ♡

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Celina · March 28, 2026

I beg to differ about barbies not being as creepy—but I may be biased by the fact that when I was a kid, my older sisters told me my barbies would come to life and kill me in my sleep if I wasn’t nice to them!!! Then, after accidentally pulling the leg off one of my barbies, I had recurring nightmares about a one-legged LARGER-than-life size barbie chasing me and dragging me away from my family. LOL just normal girl stuff!!!

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Katy Heins · March 26, 2026

You have to talk next time about one of the creepiest dolls. Ventriloquist puppets! Here’s a link to the world’s only ventriloquist museum https://www.venthaven.org/

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Annie · March 19, 2026

My sister and I were huge doll fans as kids and one time we came home from going out as a family and our dog had torn my Lissi doll that I'd gotten for my sixth birthday (I was 8 at the time) to shreds and I was sobbing like my child had been mauled and my mom was like "WAIT, I CAN FIX THIS" and she grabbed a present off of the top of the china hutch that she had gotten 2 years prior to send to my cousin who had a birthday around the same time but she never sent and I got to have that one instead. And I still have it and she wrote on the back "Happy sixth birthday, Annie, 1990 (rep. 1992)"

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Meri · March 16, 2026

on switching doll voiceboxes: i am pretty sure this was a simpsons plot

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Josie T · March 25, 2026

It was also a 1993 stunt by the Barbie Liberation Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbie_Liberation_Organization

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Kassady · March 11, 2026

My grandma was and still is, obsessed with baby dolls. She had a massive collection that use to sit out in her house. My mother gave birth to my sister in 1993, and there are some infamous photos of my mom digging an opening among my grandmas wall of baby dolls, to set my newly born sister amongst them so she blends in. How’s that for uncanny

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Abijah Gattis · March 11, 2026

Listening and playing dolls aka The Sims

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Taylor Rosenquist · March 9, 2026

I took my mom to babyland general a few weeks ago when I realized how close it was to my new home (ATL). I discovered it because of your podcast, thank you, It was gloriously horrifying.

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Sarah Moore · March 6, 2026

the stuffed animal guilt is SO REAL

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The Good Kelly · March 5, 2026

Remember on Meet Me in St. Louis the little girl continually diagnoses her dolls with chronic illnesses and then buries them?

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The Good Kelly · March 4, 2026

I was yelling "Cynthia!" LOL love rugrats

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The Good Kelly · March 4, 2026

Need to know what the store is...? I'm in PDX too 😊

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Haven · March 4, 2026

Loved this episode :) also I was wondering if there is an issue with Apple Podcasts? I can’t load/listen to any of the Keiko episodes. Other episodes seem to work normally!

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Nikki · March 4, 2026

One of my dad’s first jobs was making the birth certificates for cabbage patch kids! He was on Long Island not Duluth 😉

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Laura E Zellman · April 1, 2026

OMG naming Cabbage Patch Kids has been my dream job since like 1985.

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Kelsie Stahl · March 4, 2026

This gave me the idea to be a doll for Halloween holding a smaller, identical doll that’s also holding an even smaller, identical doll, and I have less than 7 months to procure these dolls

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al russo · March 3, 2026

me, screaming at my speaker: CYNTHIA!!! 🎶SHE'S A REALLY COOL DANCER!!! 🎶

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cate c · March 2, 2026

Looking at my Kirsten American girl doll ornament with her holding a doll like yeah!!!

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Sara Hamilton · March 1, 2026

❤️❤️❤️❤️stuffed animal feeling❤️❤️❤️❤️

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SoupThatIsTooHot · February 28, 2026

I am a preschool teacher and the creativity and ingenuity of children remains very present. What’s incredible is it only takes one extremely imaginative child to inspire the other littles. Last week I was responsible for a paperclip doll, a stack of Lego bricks with a face doll, countless stuffed animal babies, and a popsicle stick with a tissue wrapped around the top. It has recently suffered a head injury and I was responsible for the post -op care while we waited for its grown ups. We have several baby dolls in the classroom and watching the kids assign themselves rolls and choirs to support the babies is outstanding. Some want to be siblings, others the mom or the dad… one extremely precocious girl always wants to be the family dog.

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al russo · March 3, 2026

I adore this. So glad kids still have imaginations that run buck wild.

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Sue D · February 27, 2026

I had a Samantha Doll and she went to the doll hospital when her eyes stopped closing. She did indeed come back in a hospital gown and with a hospital bracelet. She was a gift from my grandmother. It was a very big deal picking out which one I wanted. It took me a while to choose between Molly and Samantha.

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Angela O'Connor · February 27, 2026

Shout out to chickens as dolls! As farm kids, we used to dress our little fluffy bantam chickens up in doll clothes and push them around in a toy pram 😆

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Natalie Infante · February 27, 2026

Is Michael Hobbes the Angelica?

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Emily Hunter · February 26, 2026

Finally my two worlds collide! Going down the Pleasant Company Catalog rabbit hole of my elementary school dreams was my Weird Covid Hobby, and eBay American Girl Doll collecting led to teaching myself how to sew for my dolls which then led to teaching myself how to sew for ME, and now listening to your podcasts while sewing is my favorite activity to stay sane while the world burns outside. Anyway, I have the dollies and my 9yo dreams of one day owning all of Samantha’s shit to thank for all of it.

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Lucy · February 26, 2026

I used to cut off the little picture of the princess on my princess dresses because WHY would Snow White have a picture of herself on her own dress. Didn’t know til 20 years later but it was in fact a sign of neurodivergence!

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Ramon Escamilla · February 26, 2026

Having been a gay kid in the 80s and 90s, I feel seen. My sisters had American Girl dolls and I always wanted a doll with a doll, but it wasn't an option. You better believe I have stuffed animals to this day.

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azleftie · February 26, 2026

Go get your doll!! I worked at the AG store and I had someone buy the doll they wanted as a kid! It was pretty cool

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Emily Barnes · February 26, 2026

Did anyone else play “hospital” with their dolls/stuffed animals? I don’t remember coming up with specific diseases— no dolls were coming down with, like, typhoid— but I do remember playing a lot of doctor and setting up my other dolls as if in an operating theater. I feel like I’m making this sound adorable but really look back and find it a little freaky (psychosexual..?). Guess we’ll never know!

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Katie Crowley · February 26, 2026

I was such a doll girl. When I started feeling too old to play with them, I became super into the sims. I think they're very similar for me. You can dress them up and create a narrative. Some kids destroyed their barbies, and some people destroy their sims. The sims also have their own sims in the game. They can log onto the computer and literally play "The Sims", just like dolls with dolls. When you zoom in on the screen, you can see the graphics from old sims games. I still do play the sims at 30, so I guess I still have dolls. I wonder if there is a common dolls to simulation games pipeline. Great episode🪆

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Nichole Folkman · February 26, 2026

I had a Barbie Halloween "costume" that had a big Barbie head on the dress! I had that exact same argument with my parents about how weird it was!

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bailey sperling · February 25, 2026

i listened to chelsey’s doll episode on a plane and nodded off and then woke up to the haunted doll noises, scared to death

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Adetta · February 25, 2026

Sarah you scared me to death when you said " the doll may be standing behind you!"... I was on the bus in broad light but still that sent shivers down my spine... I was expecting jolly episode but that was so creepy 😳 I don't want to see any doll to the rest of my life 😜😂😂😂

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Kelly Myers-M · February 25, 2026

Wow. Sounds super researched - after all these years, comparing to others through the years that are really fading fast... really worth it to stay paying here. Totally accessible to all your listeners - we all are here for this, listening to you & your friends & all the same posters here. Great . Thanks.

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Hannah Grace · February 25, 2026

I’m only 16 minutes in but I hope you get to talking about one of my FAVORITE hyper obsessions: the small Paleolithic and Neolithic sculptures of women that survive in large numbers—all of whom do a better job representing actual women’s bodies than most parts of media today. Clearly, we have always wanted dolls…

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Hannah Grace · February 25, 2026

Ohhhh, but we don’t know that they were ceremonial objects! That reading of the little Paleolithic women is VERY dependent on men in the 1800s, and also racists in the 1900s, and how they interpreted these objects. I will elaborate in the inevitable email I’m sending with doll thoughts, but we don’t know that! They could have been dollies for girls, or self portraits to carry…

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Hannah Grace · February 25, 2026

I literally just say “CYNTHIA!” loudly to no one in my kitchen, when you both asked me what Angelica’s doll was called. Sleeper cell activated.

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Hannah Grace · February 25, 2026

Sarah Marshall have you listened to the incredible podcast that is now called Dolls of Our Lives, with the absolutely smashing Mary & Allison?? Please listen to the whole thing, it’s WONDERFUL. Two bff historians going through the original AG books, and discussing all things girls, play, history, doll, material culture. If you ever have Mary and Allison on your podcast I will freak out 😅❤️🫶🏻 my favorite podcasters.

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Hannah Grace · February 25, 2026

Sarah, EVERY American Girl doll (original, through Kit at least) had their own doll 🥹❤️🫶🏻 I WILL be sending an email with thoughts lmao, but the dolls having dolls is so important.

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francescadidio2@gmail.com · February 25, 2026

Loved reflecting about my playing habits as a kid haha

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SEMELE · February 25, 2026

omg omg this is so exciting I'm commenting before even listening!!!

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SEMELE · February 25, 2026

Done! Instant classic.

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Erika C · February 25, 2026

omg i loved this episode. what you said about how adults need imaginary friends too made me realize that that's something we tend to use pets for. i constantly talk to my dog as if she's my roommate like, "what do you think Goose? should we watch an x-file?" It's cracking me up to realize that she's very much just my babydoll

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DJ Tozer · February 25, 2026

As an eBay person, I remember getting into rabbit holes on some of the creepy haunted doll /haunted item listings 15-20 years ago. My 2 favorite listings 1) Haunted Stitch doll (which seemed like unfair typecasting); 2) a haunted toaster who had attracted John Lennon's spirit. There were so many creepy old doll listings. And each story engaging.

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Jennifer · February 25, 2026

Chucky was based on the My Buddy Doll. My brother had one, we called him "Little Jason" (my brother's name is Jason), as though that's less creepy, somehow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmwF-zy2Ypo And the baby of the Barbie family is Chelsea.

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Linda Garcia · February 28, 2026

I came to check if anyone shouted out the My Buddy doll. That seemed to be a doll that was marketed to boys, my cousins had one. They were pretty big, from what I remember

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august · February 25, 2026

american girl dolls are my absolute favorite thing on earth lol

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Hannah Grace · February 25, 2026

I still have my girl Josefina, and she is now displayed as if my bedroom is a museum of American history 😅 Did you have an AG doll? If not, which would you love to have?

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Gretchen Sprinkle · February 25, 2026

I had two American Girls dolls -- Samantha and Kirsten. I had the Clara doll with the nutcracker doll for Samantha. And I had Kirsten's doll, Sari!

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Mallory Simons · February 25, 2026

I still have my Samantha doll and her entire collection- including the little Clara doll with the nutcracker! I loved that doll so much. Honestly, I still do. I’d love to see an American Girl Dolls episode of You’re Wrong About someday!

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Heather Woodford · February 24, 2026

I need an entire Nothing Much Happens style episode of y'all much more slowly reading the types of dolls and dolls objects people played with. Both from the study, and from these comments. 💗😴😌

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Heather Woodford · February 24, 2026

OMG the call back to "Every Corn Is A Glamorous Woman"🤣 There's a house in my Boifriend's neighborhood we walk by that grows corn in their yard and I think about (and sometimes sing) that song when we take the dogs by. 😊

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Heather Woodford · February 24, 2026

I had a "life size doll" (like as big as I was when I was 3 years old) and I named her after my big cousin, Julie. No idea what happened to that doll. I think real life Julie is a Tr*mper nowadays but I've tried not to look too far into it bc I'm sick of losing people to the MAGA cult. 💔 Boy howdy, that took a dark turn.

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Heather Woodford · February 24, 2026

OMG did anyone else have and LOVE the book Nu Dang and his Kite as a kid?? 🪁 Chelsea's story about the nearly-lost lil lizard reminded me of that book! It was my favorite and I used to have my mom read it to me every night!!🦎 🥹💗

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Mia Freiberg · February 24, 2026

shout out “THE DOLLS ARE LIVING” - a segment from Roz Hernandez’s Ghosted by Roz pod (great pod great gal) where she reads ebay haunted doll ads every ep!

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Heather Woodford · February 24, 2026

OMG I must find this

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Lisa G · February 24, 2026

The way I was singing “aww topsy” already before Sarah even started 😭

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Mariel C · February 24, 2026

I work at Greenfield Village, current location of Menlo Park. I've been strongly suggesting we incorporate these doll recordings into the Hallowe'en decorations, but no luck yet 🤣

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Hannah Grace · February 25, 2026

Omg please yes 😂

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Emily · February 24, 2026

I had a teddy bear named Sally who I love, love, loved. I have a memory of looking into her eyes when I was 3-4yo and being surprised to see resentment and anger in those eyes. To adult me, that revealed how the childhood emotional neglect I experienced from my parents convinced me that I was a burden & unlovable. It's very validating to me so I'm sharing it here. Young children can feel & internalize that shit.

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Theresa B · February 24, 2026

The "I can fix him" adopt a haunted doll

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august · February 24, 2026

omg i could cry with happiness lol my favorite podcast doing an episode on my special interest!!!

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red · February 24, 2026

Slightly terrified because I just woke up from a dream about haunted dolls to this episode!!!!

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Shannon · February 24, 2026

Lost a stuffed animal years ago and I still feel guilty. Getting a tattoo in her honor next month. Thank you for all the throwback references! ❤️

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katie adams · February 24, 2026

Definitely going to invite you guys to Clownvis’s next Haunted Clown Doll Adoption event

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Hannah Grace · February 25, 2026

Aww Clownvis! Haha Mike’s the best

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Pamela Manderson · February 24, 2026

Ooooooh Sarah, as someone raised with the hope of parents of being boy, I have to tell you… I think Chuckie is based on the “My Buddy” doll which I had, and haunts me now. I wish I could see your reaction to googling “my buddy” 😭🤣

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alli moulton · February 24, 2026

Another costume annoyance is when a hood has a face! I had to look very hard to find a bear onesie consume (for both me and my baby) that didn't have a whole bear face on the hood instead of just ears. I don't need 2 faces to be a bear!

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Bekki S · February 24, 2026

The voicebox swap was a stunt carried out by the Barbie Liberation Organization in 1993 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbie_Liberation_Organization

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Julia · February 24, 2026

Love this, but wish you had Eve Lindley on for this to add more dolls.

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Hannah Grace · February 25, 2026

Next time we can hope 🤞🏻