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January 17, 2024

Back to the Commpak

I’ve been taking another look at the multimedia Commpak format with what I hoped would be a more reliable system than the projector acquired last year.

https://youtu.be/kD22DwNkPMc

I’ve been fighting against low energy levels this week so this video may be a bit rough around the edges. I suspect I’ll need to take another editing pass at this before anything goes out - I’m sure the volume levels are all over the shop but I wanted to get this early version out to you today so that I can take a day off tomorrow.

Enjoy the rest of your week. Take care.

EDIT - Swapped out the video due to a speed issue. 

EDIT 2 - After (finally) receiving a new audio line level converter I've updated the video and replaced the audio at the end. 

Comments (58)

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Mark Fairlie · January 26, 2024

There's something about the voice on the slide shows and the way they're recorded that takes me back to being a boy in the early 1980s. Fab video, Mat.

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Chris Palin · January 22, 2024

I do seem to remember these being played in the post offices, but not our local one as it was a small village terraced house style post office. It was only in the "big" post office in the town which we rarely went to and a bit of a novelty. Hmmm The Post Office .... The place to buy greetings cards with a sailboat into the sunset .... Funny how you remember things. Good video as always Mat.....thanks

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Grace Robbins · January 22, 2024

139K views trending higher than typical for January, methinks? Any uptick in traffic on your Tefifon videos? 🙂

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Techmoan · January 22, 2024

The views are fairly decent - but the ad revenue is very much par for the course in January. That’s a course with lots of bunkers, high winds and long grass for a ball to get lost in.

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Sarah Fenway · January 21, 2024

I was watching an old training video on YouTube the other day and realised it had no video, just stills. Then I realised it must have been made on one of these!

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Andras Csirmaz · January 20, 2024

I loved this one, even with the hacked-way you made it work. Having a proper play of the cartridge is such a lovely thing to see!

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Raul Ramos · January 20, 2024

This format hat a special place for me. While I never experienced it back in the day, it seems the kind of Frankenstein that modern management loves. "it is all there, we don't need to invent anything, just slap them carts, works like a charm" I've heard those words from innovation manager too often.

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Steve Fish · January 20, 2024

Is there any chance we'll get access to the contents of those 15 Commpak carts? That's the kind of stuff I'd love to see!

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Techmoan · January 20, 2024

I hope so -I just need to find the time.

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Peter Savelkoul · January 20, 2024

Do some retro brithing to get rid of the yellow plastic https://youtu.be/JX-RJM8MZpU?si=8LQw7_TJAbo004fD

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Techmoan · January 20, 2024

I’d rather not - seems unnecessary for something no one other than myself will ever see.

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Steffen Barabasch · January 20, 2024

Not related to the video: Patreon messed up their billings and, for whatever reasons, probably to make sure they don't do something I don't actually want, unsubscribed me in the process. If that happened to not only me, I hope you don't lose a lot of subscribers due to Patreons ineptitude...

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Techmoan · January 20, 2024

They sent me an automated email - I suspect this won’t help things.

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Phil R · January 19, 2024

Richard Burton did the voice over for that QE2 documentary, and he died in 1984 giving us an approximate date for this film (can't find it on IMDB). Assuming that's the case, £20.95 in 1984 adjusted for inflation equates to £93,

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Duncan · January 19, 2024

£65 according to the Bank of England, However, they include things like the price of DVDs and USB sticks in their inflation figures,

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Matthew Hunt · January 19, 2024

Another Post Office scandal: £20.95 for a video about the Queen.

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evilution · January 18, 2024

I wonder if the images were processed to take advantage of the yellow backlight or if an LED replacement bulb would give a better colour? Using an LED would reduce the need for a fan too.

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Lars Steenberg · January 18, 2024

Another shout out for Techmoan https://youtu.be/uYGUdWpeg_w?si=U4FQovOfrEraPfew

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Steffen Barabasch · January 20, 2024

Mention at around 1:04 ;-)

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MrHammond · January 18, 2024

I would advise you to put an 8Ω resistor over the output, it might balance the audio a bit better, although I guess it won't bring the bass back...

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Chris Horry · January 18, 2024

Love this format, some childhood memories for me as I remember being mesmerized by the one at my local Post Office. Do you know what dates these tapes were created?

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Chris Horry · January 18, 2024

Replying to myself, the tape featuring the Elizabeth R documentary was no doubt from 1992 as it was made for the Queen's Ruby Jubilee.

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VWestlife · January 18, 2024

The thin, distorted sound is due to the impedance mismatch between the speaker output (8 or 16 ohms) and your camera's microphone input (usually designed for 500 ohms or higher). You can get a speaker-level to line-level converter designed for car stereo systems, and add that to your audio recording setup.

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Phil Collins · January 18, 2024

I came across LaBelle many years ago when I looked after a Cockpit Procedures Trainer for an airline. One of their 8 track units was used to (badly) simulate the voice of the Ground Proximity Warning System, but it was a 60Hz unit so was always sounded depressed. We couldn’t get a correct sized drive pulley for 50Hz so we calculated the correct size and had one made. Then the tape broke and we had immense fun re-recording the voice onto 1/2” tape and butchering it into an 8 track cartridge.

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Peter Rogers · January 18, 2024

1985??? Even back then this would have seemed liked 20-year-old "ancient" technology for a retail display. I guess the UK Post Office is not far off the US in that respect. :-)

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Arjan Kooij · January 18, 2024

I watched the video before reading your comment about audio levels, Mat. I did not notice anything that bothered me at all while watching the video. Fun content as always.

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Grace Robbins · January 18, 2024

I didn't notice anything wrong with the video prior to the update, either.

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Richard N · January 18, 2024

Great Video and I feel capturing this footage will be interesting...as you mentioned the aspect ratio fills the centre of any 16:9 camera easily and playing with various borders is worth a go, as for the sound it is too thin and needs equalising, unless you try taking the high level speaker output and feeding into a nice quality standalone speaker and listening to it in it's pure form. Taking this feed via a microphone may give you better results. As it is the level is too high for your headphone amplifier and it sounds distorted and wrong. Ideally it would need an inline attenuator to reduce the level of audio if you prefer to use the headphone amp.

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Andrew Shaw · January 18, 2024

Another interesting video. I actually like the yellowed color. Gives it a cool look. Also- I've always wanted to say that I love the electronic sounds you have over the very end of the video image with the ads and whatnot. Vey pleasing.

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David Fulton · January 18, 2024

I like the cartridge repair music! Is that Sid Sponge & the Intervals playing "Padding Out"?

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Techmoan · January 18, 2024

It's off the BBC transmitter breakdown tape. I noticed it didn't hit any content matches, so I've kept it in my collection for use where necessary.

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David Fulton · January 18, 2024

Could you have the visual without the audio? I presume turning down the volume would the way to do it. In that way, you could just show the visuals when you still wanted to promote stuff WITHOUT the sound. Perhaps that's why there are two speeds. The slide would stay in place longer. Just thinking out loud. Maybe I should switch something OFF in my head!

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Techmoan · January 18, 2024

One of the carts from last time was a silent one - it was the one with the Hula Hoops advert on it.

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David Fulton · January 18, 2024

Very curious about why the projector was kept from being sent. Is there any chance that the different voltage standards between the US and UK were at fault? Certain electronics may be a fire hazard and I know that the UK has strong legislation regarding fire prevention. Perhaps there there were safeguards in more modern electronics missing from older ones (like the projector) and as such, entire categories of equipment of a certain age wouldn't be permitted for export to the UK. The unit you picked up from Germany had the UK voltage standard (I think you mentioned this) and as such, wouldn't have any issues with being imported.

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Techmoan · January 18, 2024

I've received dozens of US voltage devices from the US with no problem. Half my HiFi came from there over the years with no issue. I seem to remember after the first video someone mentioning that projectors were on an old non-updated prohibited list...I can't recall why. Often bureaucratic decisions hang around long after they ever made any sense because changing them would take more effort than it's worth.

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AzoriusMage · January 18, 2024

Interesting thanks.

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Mark Hesse · January 17, 2024

The uniformity of the yellowed cover had me thinking it must have been manufactured with that color intentionally--until you took the top off and it was easy to see that it actually had yellowed with time. Actually thought the yellow color made a nice contrast to the black of the rest of the case although perhaps seeing it with your own eyes could be... less pleasing to the eye.

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Brad Jones · January 17, 2024

I notice with mild amusement that the speaker grille resembles the early 1980s BBC News logo, and Frank Bough was part of that team (albeit through Breakfast Time!) https://ibb.co/25QqfhX

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Grace Robbins · January 17, 2024

• I've been intrigued about these since I found some of the carts on eBay quite a while back. • ✔️ Time Lapse Cart Counting; I like it. • The way you flat-panned 'arse' had me cackling - I'm glad the only problem was a speed change correction. • I'm impressed how a company devised this cost-effective audio/visual system for advertisement purposes. No doubt a proper video-based setup would be too expensive for multiple locations at this time period. • I am appreciative of historians who want to preserve these things. No matter how bland the topic is, it's still worthy of archiving. • I love the music accompaniment during tape pad repair. • Incredible that it works right out of the box without any belt replacement or oiling, etc after all these years. Nicely done. Relax and have a peaceful day off. Please take care 🤍

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Erik Granlund · January 17, 2024

Sweet! Nice update, this is such an interesting system, it works sooo well. It definitely would have changed your life if you were in sales/marketing then (imagine at expos, etc.)

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CrimsonPig808 · January 17, 2024

I do remember La Belle Industries when I was a kid living in the US. It seems that the company was also geared to the public school audio-visual departments. And, as one of the geeks that worked in the library checking out the projectors and such during my free hour at school, I definitely remember La Belle projectors, and slide machines, and even some tape equipment. I can even smell the metal & oil odor of the machines as they would heat up. Sigh...

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Peter Rogers · January 18, 2024

Same 😳

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Mark Hesse · January 17, 2024

Before watching this video, I had to go back and watch the first Commpak video from last year. As a result Mat, I'm afraid I'm going to have to demand that you produce that "story for another day..." about sending postal orders to 'Dodgy Kev' for purchases of bootleg copies of Hong Kong action movies.😉

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CrimsonPig808 · January 17, 2024

Gosh, and I thought the Post Office was only for buying stamps and posting packages...

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Duncan · January 19, 2024

Many things like car tax could be bought at the Post Office, while financial services, National Savings and Investments, and Girobank were both available there. An interesting quote from the Girobank Wikipedia page "There used to be about 22,000 post offices in the UK compared to about 3,000 bank branches".

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Retro Nick · January 17, 2024

Clever device, you going to get a few post office comments. Think it's edited well and great video.

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Matthew Hunt · January 17, 2024

Have a great day off. ;) 🎉

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Cody Marshall · January 17, 2024

I was hoping to see the projector part demonstrated. Perhaps it would result in better picture quality and make it easier to film?

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Techmoan · January 17, 2024

The last projector needed a really long throw which barely made a 8" screen with all the furniture in the room moved. On top of that the room had to be blacked out and the image was a nightmare to shoot - I needed the rear projection to solve all these issues.

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Dan Weiss · January 17, 2024

I always enjoy the revisits to previously covered tech. I need to go back and watch the original video to see what it has by way of origin history. I noticed in one shot that "Lear" was mentioned on the cart going back to the LearJet origins of the 8-Track.

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Matt Tester · January 17, 2024

An impressively robust machine, I particularly like the chunky buttons on the front. As a fan of Jeff Wayne's War of The Worlds it's a bit spooky to hear Richard Burton's voice narrating one of these.

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Techmoan · January 17, 2024

This was a 1984 cart and Burton was still alive (not for long) - which felt a bit odd.

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Bradley Garwood · January 17, 2024

I wonder if we can encourage someone to release an album on the format :-)

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VWestlife · January 17, 2024

I wonder if Compaq ever used the Commpak. My local U.S. post office uses a PC running VLC Media Player to display their sequence of video ads -- or at least they *did*, until it crashed, and nobody has bothered to reboot it in several months.

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Tunix · January 17, 2024

No, but they would have opted for the iPAK® if it weren't for the abysmally poor battery life and low-contrast screen 😁. Is it a BSOD-type of crash? Having a blue screen on display for months would be next-level laziness.

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CBits Tech · January 17, 2024

As always, thanks for posting. Another interesting video. Makes a change to see a fairly trouble-free device.

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Matthew Lawrenson · January 17, 2024

From when the tech used at the Post Office was merely dull and repetitious rather than life-ruiningly scandalous...

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Peter Rogers · January 18, 2024

🔥🔥🔥