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July 26, 2022

UPDATED - REVIEW & TEARDOWN - IKEA’S sound to light box

Due to various life commitments I might not be able to make a proper video this week - but here’s a quickie.

I’m not convinced that this video is worth putting out - but Patrons get a chance to see everything - even the ropey stuff.

Have fun.

VIDEO UPDATED: For your entertainment I've pulled this apart and now I think there's now enough here to issue this as a short video. 

Based on your feedback, I’ve added on a ‘teardown’ starting off from where the video previously finished (around the four minute mark)). It’s still a half-baked video about a rubbish device, but now you get to see what’s inside it too.

https://youtu.be/ZhBbMjyGwKM

Unfortunately it turned out I was right about this week getting away from me...so this short video will have to do. 


I'm interested to see how the Kenny Everett video fares on Saturday. I hope it does OK, it's got a cart machine to pay for. 

Comments (79)

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Gordo · October 21, 2022

I reckon it's hackable, make a nice Raspberry Pi Pico project..

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Dean Herbert · August 1, 2022

weird for teenage engineering to put their name on that. especially with the non-centered default animation. they don't look like they would be any better when tiled either..

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Gordo · October 21, 2022

Indeed! Teenage engineering make some extremely cool (and expensive) portable synths, this just seems a bit sad...

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GraphicsMonkey · July 31, 2022

Oh noooooo... You broke it! Such a pity.

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NotTheJohn · July 30, 2022

I did a quick search and stumbled across an Adafruit article which led to this GitHub page: https://github.com/frumperino/FrekvensPanel where someone wrote a rudimentary library to control the LED panel with a microcontroller. No examples shown, though. So your intuition about there being some hacking interest is right on, but it seems limited in scope.

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Andrew Shaw · July 29, 2022

The teardown was a fun addition to the video. It makes for a more solid review and I would have no issues with releasing it.

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Matt Tester · July 29, 2022

Nobody else seems to have mentioned the Divoom Timebox Evo here, a device I came across today that sells for £40 at Game and is frankly what this box of LEDs should have been all along. It's a speaker with RGB LEDs, Bluetooth and much better options. As if the Ikea item didn't already seem like a rip off.

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Ian Stokes · July 29, 2022

Just need an update of being put back together 😀

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Grace Robbins · July 29, 2022

...with Gorilla Glue. Good as new. 😁

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Ant Wakefield · July 29, 2022

Sad that so much effort goes into a product that could clearly deliver much better results. I mean that off centre arrow on its own is bad enough… which idiot in an office gave this the all clear? Sack em.

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Stephen Hamme · July 28, 2022

Another useless trinket Well described and displayed by the Master. The effort you put into the teardown was worth the time to show what the guts were. Those who would be able to re-engineer this into something truly unique will find this seriously helpful! Just Another Excellent [extended well] Video!

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Grace Robbins · July 28, 2022

Entertaining update 😃 ✔️Victorinox ✔️Mini-Mat ✔️Tat destruction I just noticed the grey vinyl-textured workspace - missed it on the first video. Have you redecorated? If you already answered this question I didn't notice on the comments (sorry).

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Techmoan · July 29, 2022

I bought a grey desk topper thing as I hoped it would help with exposure issues, but it’s retaining marks already so will probably have to go again.

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Ian Dalgairns · July 28, 2022

Totally randomly, I had to do a online presentation at work yesterday, which always makes me shit myself a little bit but I remembered something you said ages ago about about seeing a pro TV presenter go from normal human to massively over animated when the camera rolled. I decided to employ the same tactic to present the mundane nonsense I had to deliver and it turns out it works a treat! When in doubt, ham it up!! Feels odd but delivers results!

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Techmoan · July 29, 2022

I’m glad to hear it worked. You’ve got a good memory - it was Tiff Needell, Vicky Butler Henderson and Quentin Wilson at the London Motorshow sometime in the 1990s back in their Top Gear Days. I’d never before witnessed the schizophrenic change that happens as soon as the lights went on. I struggle to amp it to to that level - but you definitely can’t act your normal self if you’re trying to entertain anyone. They really capture this aspect well on ‘The Morning Show’ on AppleTV - the presenters go from hating each other to the best of friends as soon as people are watching.

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CBits Tech · July 28, 2022

It might just be me (being a bit slow after a bottled beverage) but is this new video a bit fast? Seems sped up to me. Could be my phone playing up, maybe.

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Grace Robbins · July 28, 2022

I thought the same at the beginning - it must be mechanism speed irregularity. 😃

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Jammi · July 28, 2022

Here someone modified one replacing the single board computer with another one and rigging up a camera to it: https://spritesmods.com/?art=frekvens

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Jammi · July 28, 2022

Teenage engineering themselves seem to host some 3D print hacking stuff for these. https://teenage.engineering/designs/frekvens-hacks

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bohus blahut · July 28, 2022

The Frekvens line overall was a disappointment. Here in the states it was released in small numbers, and then quickly clearanced. I bought a number of pieces cheap, intrigued with the idea of building a custom boombox. This visualizer was the part I was most interested in, and then ultimately disappointed by since it’s barely better than a toy. The speakers sound good, especially at the price I paid. They really should detect when you have a pair, and then work in true stereo. Instead the only way to get real stereo is to use analog cables. The line was also supposed to have a turntable and cassette player. Never happened. You can 3D print some cool add-ons, but still… the core product should have been better. Close, but no cigar.

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Peter Laws · July 28, 2022

Good update. Didn't make the product any less hopeless. :-)

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Jammi · July 28, 2022

For modding information to make sense, you'd need to have close-ups of the chips involved, enough to have their codes readable. That way for instance one could figure out whether the microcontroller there is reprogrammable or not, and the latter means it's just a piece of junk.

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Techmoan · July 28, 2022

Surely there’s absolutely no chance that the innards of this are worth anyone in their right mind spending £35 on when far better components are easily available, including full colour displays, for a fraction of the price. I can’t see any scenario where buying one of these would be the wisest option for someone who wants to make anything.

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Big Car · July 28, 2022

Looks like you managed to improve it! I preferred the original ending "I think it's rubbish" and leaving it like that, as it wasn't even worth your time. Gave me a chuckle.

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Techmoan · July 28, 2022

I preferred that as well - it was more real, but I can sense there’s a demand for a bit more.

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Grace Robbins · July 28, 2022

The KE video is a peach - don't fret. I'll pep-talk you with a 1,000 word essay if I need to. 🤍 I'm looking forward to watching the teardown on TV when I get home. Edit: Or send you $1,000 😆

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Techmoan · July 28, 2022

I think there’s a reasonable chance that the Kenny carts will breakout beyond the usual crowd…but there’s only one way to find out for sure.

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Shannon Parker · July 28, 2022

Junkola..

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Mark Grigoleit · July 28, 2022

This has "something for the man who has everything" written all over it, or at least on a tiny label on the back. Secret Santa material. And you saved me 35 quid.

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BastetFurry · July 28, 2022

My question would be now, whats inside? Is it hackable? Because getting a 16x16 pixel Display in a nice case might be worth the 35€ if you consider the work you would need to throw at such a project, even if you have access to a hackerspace with all the tools, including a laser cutter.

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Phil Collins · July 27, 2022

Ummmmmm…. Yep, boring. Fits into IKEA nicely.

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Bas van Schooten · July 27, 2022

It looked like such a nice option. But even de late 70s Atari disco machine is much more sophisticated. Come on Ikea! I hope you can return it still....

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Evan · July 28, 2022

after the last update I'm thinking it's too late

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Stephen Bell · July 27, 2022

I agree - it's rubbish. :-)

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Arun · July 27, 2022

I actually bought one going off the Teenage Engineering collaboration. I could live with the lack of color and even the pre-rendered animations. Thought it would look cool sitting on my DC block. But it doesn't work there: you need to turn the volume up pretty high before the built-in mic pics anything up. Even placing it on top of a speaker still required sizeable volume 😔

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evilution · July 27, 2022

"designed by teenage engineering". Is that code for it being a lazily designed POS?

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Ish Kabibble · July 27, 2022

effectively yeah Teenage Engineering is a design company first and foremost and an engineering company second, most of their products have a really nice look to them that isn't backed up by their performance

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VWestlife · July 27, 2022

Your pronunciation of GIF is going to trigger the approximately 30% of people who pronounce it the correct way, and then the other 70% who insist that they're right. And yeah, it's rubbish. There's a tiny chance that it uses power line communication to synchronize multiple units, but I highly doubt it.

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Jammi · July 28, 2022

You mean Jraphics Interchange Format would be correct? I don't think so.

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Robert Currie · July 27, 2022

I was hoping you'd get Teenage Engineering quality at IKEA prices, but barely even got IKEA quality at IKEA prices.

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Dungeoneer · July 26, 2022

One of the best summing up of a product review I've seen! Sorry you had to spend £35, but it may well have saved many of your viewers £35!

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Andreas · July 26, 2022

That thing is underwhelming. Thanks for testing it, so we don't have to :)

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Arjan Kooij · July 26, 2022

Thank you for this quick review, Mat. I guess it doesn’t require more than 4 minutes to prove that this product is utter garbage. Unbelievable stuff like this actually makes it to market.

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Evan · July 26, 2022

If you already have an addressable LED grid why *not* make it actually respond to the music that’s playing? What a waste!

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Raul Ramos · July 27, 2022

I think it is about saving the chips for doing fft. This way you may have a list of memory addresses and the pulse of the mic (which can be cheap as dirt) just moves the index further. Basically save money

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Brad Jones · July 26, 2022

Last time I was in IKEA, my mother was convinced the meatballs were made from moose.

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Per Hedetun · July 26, 2022

Elk meat is awesome. Would make for luxurious meatballs! Fit for Guide Michelin. Most recipes call for 50/50 pork/beef mix, though. 🤓

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Scott Seligman · July 26, 2022

Ikea's little demo/promo video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlUwALQZ2mY&t=30s was enough for me not want one. Now I really don't want one.

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Hugo · July 26, 2022

I saw this in my local Ikea last week, (London) took a photo of the box to research it more when I got home, forgot, but I think you've saved me £35, does not look that great!

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Jan Miksa · July 26, 2022

On the video, it looks like i piece of trash. Reactions are really slow

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István Nagy · July 26, 2022

Is it just me, or even though you've said you're going to release fewer videos, yet it feels like you publish very often nowadays. Not that I'm complaining. :)

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Per Hedetun · July 26, 2022

Upon closer research, it may not be as bad as originally perceived: https://about.ikea.com/en/behind-scenes/products-design/2018/06/07/get-the-party-started-with-frekvens https://about.ikea.com/en/newsroom/2018/03/28/ikea-collection-frekvens-receives-red-dot-award-2018-for-product-design FREKVENS is apparently a modular system, comprising other "blinkenlight" type devices, as well as speaker modules and sources (including a turntable!) Seems a bit pricey, sure, but staying true to their design bureau's name — FREKVENS might be a good fit in a teenagers bedroom, much like a boombox with all the bells and whistles of yesterday.

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Dawn Anthes · July 26, 2022

Ok, it makes a bit more sense conceptually when you look at it in the context of the other pieces. Still, too expensive for what it is, and too understated for my tastes. If I'm going to bother with a lightshow I want more color, and more varied movements that react to the sound. I want something gaudy.

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Michael Thwaite · July 26, 2022

Spend another £175 and you'll have 6x the disappointment. Hmm, not even colour.

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Matt Tester · July 26, 2022

My first thought when watching was that the lack of 3.5mm input was a shame but no, no it wasn't. Maybe it's hackable? Probably not worth it.

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Andy Ihnatko · July 26, 2022

I think you've made a significant discovery. After testing out a couple of dozen audio visualizers, you've found one that actually looks more interesting from the back.

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Peter Laws · July 26, 2022

OMG - you're right! It really looked like something ... plus you could stack them and then ... [brightly lit crickets]

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Peter Laws · July 26, 2022

Uh, yeah, so ... good video, of course, but of a not-so-hot product. Apparently, I have photo-sensitive OCD, a syndrome I just made up. The default arrow (and the other one) has a single line of lit elements defining the middle (arrow's shaft?). Sadly, there are an even number of LED columns, so the "center" (or "centre") has an off-by-one error. And now I can't unsee it. And neither can the rest of you. Perhaps in a future firmware update they can make the arrow "shaft" two LEDs wide ... :-D Lol - not going to happen.

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Steve Cooper (StevesTechShed) · July 27, 2022

Yeah I instantly saw this too and came to the comments to see if anyone else did :)

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MrHammond · July 26, 2022

"Not impressed by it at all, I think it's rubbish" - nice and dry conclusion :-D. Not to the landfill, take the processor out, replace it with an Arduino and program some more impressive less rubbish stuff into it :-P.

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MrHammond · July 29, 2022

Thanks for the update Mat!

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Guy Incognito · July 26, 2022

35 squid for instant landfill - Corporations are cutting out that tedious middle step of having a product do something useful and lasting a long time between the store shelf and the garbage bin. Efficient!

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Per Hedetun · July 26, 2022

As a Swede, let me just say: de lighten de boxen moosiken swingen børk børk børk!

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Steve Lyon · July 26, 2022

Hope you kept the receipt Mat - what a pointless bit of tat.

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Grace Robbins · July 26, 2022

Q̶u̶i̶c̶k̶i̶e̶s̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶f̶u̶n̶ ... No, no 😲 that's not sounding right... No matter how quick it is, I'll have to wait a couple hours to watch it. 🫤

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CBits Tech · July 26, 2022

You are a very naughty lady :)

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Mark Elliott · July 26, 2022

Jeez, what a rubbish device :(

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Oscar Røhling · July 26, 2022

Thanks for saving me 269 DKK, 30 minutes on the bike along heavy traffic, 30 minutes in a megastore and a headache. I'll just ride around for a couple hours along greener roads instead. It looks nice enough though. Can't help but wonder if it can be easily improved with an Pi Pico and some amateur programming. But I have more than enough projects going already.

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Rolf Dekker · July 26, 2022

It's a great video, clear and to the point. Please put it out there to prevent people spending big money on this rubbish.

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Leigh · July 26, 2022

Yep I was already saying to myself it was rubbish, glad Mat said the same. Just something for landfill! To have gone to all that trouble designing and manufacturing it, it wouldn't have taken much in terms of cost and time to have made it something more satisfying and interesting. I've done better effects with RGB LEDs using an Arduino and addressable LEDs and for less money.

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joosep vesselov · July 26, 2022

Truly disappointing, especially for 35£. But I guess that's Teenage Engineering for you.

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Taras Young · July 26, 2022

Oh cool. Teenage Engineering are well-known in the electronic music 'space' for very expensive, very hipster but often quite remarkable music gear. This looks a bit rubbish though. edit: very rubbish

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Paulius Kriščiūnas · July 26, 2022

You put it so simply - "it's rubbish" :-))

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Sarah Fenway · July 26, 2022

Why does it say these are New? This is part of their collaboration from early 2020 isn’t it? The IKEA website really is utterly useless.

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Techmoan · July 26, 2022

New *to the UK* Just like Popeye’s Louisiana Kitchen.

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Allan & His Cats · July 26, 2022

That's disappointing.

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Dan Milner · July 26, 2022

That's a lot of money for... That. I think you'd get more from a Pixoo device personally! Good video either way 😊

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Michel · July 26, 2022

Wow that would've been slightly disappointing even if it'd been a fiver. :-)

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Colin Bartlett · July 26, 2022

I love the ropey stuff, thanks as always and have a great rest of your week.