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November 26, 2021

Ultrasonic vinyl record cleaning

I’ve often wondered about the effectiveness of ultrasonic record cleaning. Since it’s possible to buy systems for thousands of units of currency there must be something in it. Finally I got to find out for myself by testing the HumminGuru ultrasonic vinyl record cleaner. This one is best listened to through headphones.

https://youtu.be/pj2MbDpP-HA

I hope you’re doing well. I’ll aim to record an update again in December, but for the moment I'm going to spend the afternoon tidying things up before moving straight onto shooting the next thing. Take care.

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Techmoan · December 8, 2021

I guess you’ve done the old HK$ / US$ thing.

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Arthur Robillard · December 9, 2021

Didn't even notice that. Thanks. Now if those Coturn people could get moving...

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Arthur Robillard · December 8, 2021

So it's now 10 times that price?

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Michael Hillard · December 4, 2021

I took it upon myself to complete the dialog. I expect all the oscars. https://soundcloud.com/michael-hillard/techmoanblanca/s-MH45ToptaOm?si=545bf104bbc9469cb3b72ebf3c9fcee4

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Techmoan · December 4, 2021

Excellent job - I could never get the timing this close in my head.

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Ralph Fontcuberta · December 3, 2021

I got a Discwasher Kit for Christmas one year and used it pretty regularly. The anti-static gun (mine was red) worked wonders for getting a record ready to make a tape, at least in my use.

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Ralph Fontcuberta · December 3, 2021

found an image online of it: http://www.borrett.id.au/images/interests/discwasher_disckit.jpg

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Alan Ricks · November 30, 2021

Oh no, Arlene Dahl just passed at 96. https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-movies-jules-verne-pat-boone-ce3043289747b6b68a0535932dc1ad7c?utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Facebook&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&fbclid=IwAR2OH0EFldn0BpC8bdQgKjaXFdwrQHBiYufjiKhGhRp_QDkL_5JrnVHyF14

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Grace Robbins · November 30, 2021

Rest in peace, Arlene. @ Alan Ricks - thank you, Zack: https://ibb.co/88rtMWT

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Martin · November 29, 2021

What a coincidence -- it looks as if Arlene Dahl passed away just today aged 96: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlene_Dahl

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Techmoan · November 29, 2021

I feel oddly responsible - I mean that’s quite some timing. I didn’t think the video was that bad.

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Grace Robbins · November 29, 2021

Vintage Orrtronic Continuous Tape Player P300 - another BG system?! https://www.ebay.com/itm/Orrtronic-Continuous-Tape-Player-P300-Magnetic-Tape-Recorder-Tapette-VTG-/334235829721?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0

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Brad Jones · November 29, 2021

Only just got round to seeing this, though thought I'd reply here, seeing we're all, as you say so yourself, a bit more "normal"! It seems a nice device, but I'm assuming us pacemaker users can't get near it? I can't have a sonic clean at the dentist, for example. I've no idea if even your anti-static gun would be problematic!

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Techmoan · November 29, 2021

I really don’t know - but best not to tempt fate (and you get to save £350 in the process).

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that guy · November 28, 2021

I can see why no soap. I use soap/degreaser (I use either liquinox or simple green) and ultrasonic cleaning to clean parts at work and it is VERY aggressive. I have stripped anodizing off of parts. That said, if you ever need to clean welding soot residue off of parts, that's how you do it.

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Per Hedetun · November 28, 2021

Good to know for heavy metal fans!

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Shirley Connellan · November 28, 2021

Can’t edit on stupid phone but he’s still in YouTube as Monobaby! In fact he’s even got a tribute channel from some dude who we don’t know called Monobaby Scorchers 😂🤔🤷🏻‍♀️

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Shirley Connellan · November 28, 2021

May every record collector (including my husband!) kill me but I used to use baby wipes to clean the muck out, does work, though not sure if they are the best thing to use! My hubby was a northern soul n rnb dj so as he still has a vast collection of maybe rare records, I’m gonna show him this. Btw he likes your northern soul cd box set that he saw on one of your vids 😁

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Andy Ihnatko · November 28, 2021

I'm not an aficionado of vinyl(s) so I'm curious about what people who play them are expecting to hear. I wonder if they're _expecting_ to not hear any clicks or pops; ie, if everything's in good order and the disc has been handled with reasonable respect during its life, _should_ the sound be free from this stuff? It's just so hard for me to imagine.

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Techmoan · November 28, 2021

I’m sure some would claim the added noise to be part of the experience, but ideally (for me) there shouldn’t be any. If I start to notice it then it’s too much.

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Grace Robbins · November 28, 2021

Mat, I know this sort of thing is not in your bailiwick - but I think this machine appeals to some of your sensibilities? Just had to show you... (Removed dead photo links)

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Techmoan · November 28, 2021

It’s certainly got a look about it.

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Shirley Connellan · November 27, 2021

I was waiting for a remake of the tape cleaning advert, that was hilarious 😂

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Stephen Bell · November 27, 2021

Techmoan at 17:26 "You might remember this . . ." so close to "You must remember this" which is, of course, the opening words of "As time goes by" from . . . Casablanca! It just hit me. :-)

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Techmoan · November 27, 2021

If only I’d had my wits about me - I could have dropped that in.

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Adrian & Janette Hyde · November 27, 2021

Great review as always. Been looking at vinyl cleaning products. and this is well within budget, Considering the silly cost of LPs now its a valid investment. Keep an eye out for the postman Matt LOL

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Techmoan · November 27, 2021

OK, will do.

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Roland Bogush · November 27, 2021

Come on, own up, Mat. You had a go at a Bogart impression at some point during the making of this video! It’s great to see machines like this come within financial reach of ‘ordinary’ vinyl lovers. I was most impressed with the anti-static device. I had a Zerostat back in the 1970s or 80s and was never sure whether it was snake oil or not, but your demonstration showed it having a positive effect. I’m with those who suggest adding detergent or IPA to the bath as water won’t dissolve all contaminants. I appreciate you needed to demonstrate using the device according to the manufacturer’s instructions. Have a great weekend - it’s snowing here in the Midlands!

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Techmoan · November 27, 2021

They specifically state not to put anything else in it other than water. I’d rather not knacker up a £350 device just to satisfy anyone’s passing curiosity. Tomorrow they’d have forgotten they’d asked the question but I’d be sitting here with a machine that leaked everywhere.

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Maik Lehmann · November 27, 2021

Hi Mat. Thanks for another great Video. Might be worth trying it with the "knosti disco antistat mixture". I'm using this stuff for years now and I'm still quite pleased by its logterm antistatic and cleaning effect.

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Damian Sloane · November 27, 2021

I'm curious Mat- would it be possible to line up the recordings in something like Audacity and then subtract the second waveform to get a track of the noise only?

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Grace Robbins · November 27, 2021

https://ibb.co/drqCR4Y

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Paul Fontaine · November 27, 2021

Hey Mat. What is that multi-colored hexagon above your "on-air" sign? I don't recognize it

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Grace Robbins · November 27, 2021

https://ibb.co/41Xdpdd

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PiraTed · November 26, 2021

I was half way expecting you to taste test that water to verify the cleaning process.

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Kate Cole · November 26, 2021

who do you think he is? This Old Tony?

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Jimmy Mounsey · November 26, 2021

With older LPs which are noisy throughout I suspect they've been played in the past with an old / worn / heavy stylus, and the damage is done. People often weren't that precious about vinyl in the 60s.. 70s...

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Techmoan · November 26, 2021

I can imagine that altering the sound by wearing out the groove - dulling everything down, but I don’t know whether it’d introduce the bed of crackling.

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Chris Freemesser · November 26, 2021

I wonder if the unit might do a better job if some sort of detergent was added to the distilled water. The record cleaner I use comes with a cleaning fluid you add to water, and other ultrasonic cleaners I've seen used for other types of things all used some sort of cleaning liquid instead of straight water

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Chris Crowther · November 26, 2021

I was wondering the same.

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Alan Lee · November 26, 2021

I was looking at one of these (and other RCM options) just last week. I will be very interested to see the outcome when I watch this one later!

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Barry Williams · November 26, 2021

Great video. Isn't it likely that the remaining crackles are caused by tiny scratches to the vinyl, rather than dust?

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Techmoan · November 26, 2021

Yep - that's what I was trying to say at the end. You'll likely never get some records back to new condition.

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Steve Rose · November 26, 2021

Hi Mat another great video. One thing I learned over the years of record cleaning is the way that some dust specs get melted into the groove if a dusty record is played. This is because the actual force at the microscopic tip of the stylus is actually enough to melt and soften the vinyl as it is playing. Any dust present at that point can then stick to the melted vinyl and therefore be impossible to subsequently clean off. The vinyl itself is resilient enough to withstand this melting and instantly returns to the shape it was in before the stylus passed over it. This is why it is really important not to play a dusty record. I have to say though that this machine does seem to do a good job but I was wondering what was the point of the filters if you are using distilled water and then only once? I use a Pure Vinyl Vivac machine which is based on the principle of the Keith Monks suction machine - expensive but it too does make a difference. I even clean new vinyl as I have had records delivered new that still have mould release in the grooves from the pressing plant. The Vivac also does a good job of removing the static but those static guns are fantastic and, as you have shown, really do work.

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Techmoan · November 26, 2021

The filter in the water container enables re-use of the water. I re-used the same water for all the cleaning in the video.

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Grace Robbins · November 26, 2021

Random question: what is a reverberation amplifier and is it any different than a regular amp? https://ibb.co/zR0WdG9 Edit: other than the interesting visualizations, that is... https://ibb.co/ph3XDnx

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Techmoan · November 26, 2021

Yes it adds a weird reverb (echoey) effect (if you turn that bit on) - I did a video about a reverb effects thing once. https://youtu.be/aYuBU-QCd4k . I do have another piece of reverb kit in my hifi at the moment. It's rarely used...but I like the flashy lights.

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Phil Collins · November 26, 2021

Of all the record cleaners in all the Kickstarters in all the world, you chose this one. 😄 And very interesting it was, too. I wonder if your high quality stylus did most of the cleaning work, though.

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Techmoan · November 26, 2021

There was definitely gunk cleaned out by the stylus - but it still dragged even after two plays - it was only after the first Ultrasonic clean that the dragging stopped.

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Ryan Feeley · November 26, 2021

How do you clean your stylus?

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Richard M · November 26, 2021

Magic eraser is best. Dab it.

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Gareth R · November 26, 2021

Nicely done. Shock news; a kickstart that arrived and works! Using headphones, which I don't usually do for this, I noticed a slight buzzing in the left channel on the product shots such as the unboxing. p.s. I hope you YT gives you a pound for every time wood glue will be mentioned in the comments with this.

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Jeremy Travis · November 26, 2021

I did consider buying a record cleaning device a few years ago, including buying a good quality ultrasonic tank of eBay and making my own. Ultimately I decided to give up vinyl altogether and settle for high quality SACDs instead. My friend is quite happy to take my Technics SP10 Mk 2 off my hands and some of my brand new vinyl a well. Thanks for the review Mat.

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Roland Smith · November 26, 2021

Great video , just expect lots of "you should have used cleaner x with this homemade solution y" type comments on you tube. In my experience "Audiophile" has to be the hobby with the most Snake oil, wild claims and opinions about the items sold. I listen to records and I like the sound I get from my cleaning and playing set up, and that is all that matters to me.

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Techmoan · November 26, 2021

That’s all it’ll be. Does it still class as engagement if I zone out?

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Robert · November 26, 2021

I have to say I'm a little disappointed you didn't even once read the missing dialogue... ;) I think the results were pretty good. Of course you can't wash away physical damage and if the damage is in the groove you can't see it. The results would probably be better if the record was sucked dry and not just air blown at it. Many cleaning devices do that - with a lot more noise. But just with air there is probably dirt that got loose while cleaning and sticks on the record again when it dries. With suction the dirt is removed with the water.

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Andrew Torrance · November 26, 2021

Yeah the puppets could make a comeback with the missing dialogue.

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Rik Kershaw-Moore · November 26, 2021

Superb video this. I'd heard of these devices but not seen one in use. Was a bit worried about label damage and so I'm glad to see that this has been thought about!

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Robert Currie · November 26, 2021

The high-energy announcer and the low-energy Ilsa from that Casablanca record has had me laughing through the whole video.

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Longplay Games · November 26, 2021

I couldn't stop remembering the Monty Python "you are the star" bit :D

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Novel · November 26, 2021

But is it a circle? I am assuming if you moan about streaming you are told "Get a Victrola"

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Techmoan · November 26, 2021

You’re probably right.

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Novel · November 26, 2021

Going to be honest, I was super impressed with the anti-static gun! The difference that made was amazing. Didn't even know that existed but will definitely be getting one. Also, when I see all the bother it takes to clean records, set everything up etc. I just find myself thinking "What a ball ache". But then, I remember that thats how people feel when I make them coffee at my place and I have multiple Moka pots set up, special barista oatmilk, foaming wands and expensive coffee. They must be thinking "What the hell is this idiot doing? Just get a tassimo" or whatever. We tend to enjoy overcomplicating things for the hobbies we love.

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Techmoan · November 26, 2021

Yes - every time I show anything about records the comments will be all ‘buy a CD’. If I show something about CDs - the comments will be ‘play MP3s’ But if I show MP3’s it’ll be ‘you should stream music’.

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MrHammond · November 26, 2021

Ultrasonic baths are noisy, we use them in the lab, I need to wear ear protection or go away when one is running... My eye was actually distracted by that coloury light thingy on your shelf, are you going to make a video about that?

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Techmoan · November 26, 2021

I’ll be mentioning it in a patreon update only…so I’ll do that next time.

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Grace Robbins · November 26, 2021

Great video; this was particularly interesting for me, since I own a considerable amount of second-hand records (and buy random lots occasionally). I often considered the ultrasonic cleaners, but my Spin Clean does a sufficient job and it's fun to use on large batches of records. It also recommends using distilled water, but to keep out impurities from marring the record surface. And believe me, the water is so dirty after cleaning a handful of records - I don't know where all that dirt comes from! That anti-static gun intrigued me, I may have to look for one. It reminded me of this hair dryer pistol I saw on auction. 😅 https://ibb.co/YZCcx1t Oh, please don't edit the video if us damn Yankees can't be bothered to learn what 'chemist' is. Majority of said Yankees are probably hungover or engaging in Black Friday sales ATM.

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Techmoan · November 26, 2021

Whenever I get ‘corrected’ on anything reading speech and words it’ll always without question come from a viewer in the USA - and every single time they’re just highlighting their ignorance at not being aware of the concept of language varying outside their state, never mind their country.