Ultrasonic vinyl record cleaning
I’ve often wondered about the effectiveness of ultrasonic record cleaning. Since it’s possible to buy systems for thousands of units of currency there must be something in it. Finally I got to find out for myself by testing the HumminGuru ultrasonic vinyl record cleaner. This one is best listened to through headphones.
I hope you’re doing well. I’ll aim to record an update again in December, but for the moment I'm going to spend the afternoon tidying things up before moving straight onto shooting the next thing. Take care.
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I guess you’ve done the old HK$ / US$ thing.
Didn't even notice that. Thanks. Now if those Coturn people could get moving...
So it's now 10 times that price?
I took it upon myself to complete the dialog. I expect all the oscars. https://soundcloud.com/michael-hillard/techmoanblanca/s-MH45ToptaOm?si=545bf104bbc9469cb3b72ebf3c9fcee4
Excellent job - I could never get the timing this close in my head.
I got a Discwasher Kit for Christmas one year and used it pretty regularly. The anti-static gun (mine was red) worked wonders for getting a record ready to make a tape, at least in my use.
found an image online of it: http://www.borrett.id.au/images/interests/discwasher_disckit.jpg
Oh no, Arlene Dahl just passed at 96. https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-movies-jules-verne-pat-boone-ce3043289747b6b68a0535932dc1ad7c?utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Facebook&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&fbclid=IwAR2OH0EFldn0BpC8bdQgKjaXFdwrQHBiYufjiKhGhRp_QDkL_5JrnVHyF14
Rest in peace, Arlene. @ Alan Ricks - thank you, Zack: https://ibb.co/88rtMWT
What a coincidence -- it looks as if Arlene Dahl passed away just today aged 96: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlene_Dahl
I feel oddly responsible - I mean that’s quite some timing. I didn’t think the video was that bad.
Vintage Orrtronic Continuous Tape Player P300 - another BG system?! https://www.ebay.com/itm/Orrtronic-Continuous-Tape-Player-P300-Magnetic-Tape-Recorder-Tapette-VTG-/334235829721?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
Only just got round to seeing this, though thought I'd reply here, seeing we're all, as you say so yourself, a bit more "normal"! It seems a nice device, but I'm assuming us pacemaker users can't get near it? I can't have a sonic clean at the dentist, for example. I've no idea if even your anti-static gun would be problematic!
I really don’t know - but best not to tempt fate (and you get to save £350 in the process).
I can see why no soap. I use soap/degreaser (I use either liquinox or simple green) and ultrasonic cleaning to clean parts at work and it is VERY aggressive. I have stripped anodizing off of parts. That said, if you ever need to clean welding soot residue off of parts, that's how you do it.
Good to know for heavy metal fans!
Can’t edit on stupid phone but he’s still in YouTube as Monobaby! In fact he’s even got a tribute channel from some dude who we don’t know called Monobaby Scorchers 😂🤔🤷🏻♀️
May every record collector (including my husband!) kill me but I used to use baby wipes to clean the muck out, does work, though not sure if they are the best thing to use! My hubby was a northern soul n rnb dj so as he still has a vast collection of maybe rare records, I’m gonna show him this. Btw he likes your northern soul cd box set that he saw on one of your vids 😁
I'm not an aficionado of vinyl(s) so I'm curious about what people who play them are expecting to hear. I wonder if they're _expecting_ to not hear any clicks or pops; ie, if everything's in good order and the disc has been handled with reasonable respect during its life, _should_ the sound be free from this stuff? It's just so hard for me to imagine.
I’m sure some would claim the added noise to be part of the experience, but ideally (for me) there shouldn’t be any. If I start to notice it then it’s too much.
Mat, I know this sort of thing is not in your bailiwick - but I think this machine appeals to some of your sensibilities? Just had to show you... (Removed dead photo links)
It’s certainly got a look about it.
I was waiting for a remake of the tape cleaning advert, that was hilarious 😂
Techmoan at 17:26 "You might remember this . . ." so close to "You must remember this" which is, of course, the opening words of "As time goes by" from . . . Casablanca! It just hit me. :-)
If only I’d had my wits about me - I could have dropped that in.
Great review as always. Been looking at vinyl cleaning products. and this is well within budget, Considering the silly cost of LPs now its a valid investment. Keep an eye out for the postman Matt LOL
OK, will do.
Come on, own up, Mat. You had a go at a Bogart impression at some point during the making of this video! It’s great to see machines like this come within financial reach of ‘ordinary’ vinyl lovers. I was most impressed with the anti-static device. I had a Zerostat back in the 1970s or 80s and was never sure whether it was snake oil or not, but your demonstration showed it having a positive effect. I’m with those who suggest adding detergent or IPA to the bath as water won’t dissolve all contaminants. I appreciate you needed to demonstrate using the device according to the manufacturer’s instructions. Have a great weekend - it’s snowing here in the Midlands!
They specifically state not to put anything else in it other than water. I’d rather not knacker up a £350 device just to satisfy anyone’s passing curiosity. Tomorrow they’d have forgotten they’d asked the question but I’d be sitting here with a machine that leaked everywhere.
Hi Mat. Thanks for another great Video. Might be worth trying it with the "knosti disco antistat mixture". I'm using this stuff for years now and I'm still quite pleased by its logterm antistatic and cleaning effect.
I'm curious Mat- would it be possible to line up the recordings in something like Audacity and then subtract the second waveform to get a track of the noise only?
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Hey Mat. What is that multi-colored hexagon above your "on-air" sign? I don't recognize it
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I was half way expecting you to taste test that water to verify the cleaning process.
who do you think he is? This Old Tony?
With older LPs which are noisy throughout I suspect they've been played in the past with an old / worn / heavy stylus, and the damage is done. People often weren't that precious about vinyl in the 60s.. 70s...
I can imagine that altering the sound by wearing out the groove - dulling everything down, but I don’t know whether it’d introduce the bed of crackling.
I wonder if the unit might do a better job if some sort of detergent was added to the distilled water. The record cleaner I use comes with a cleaning fluid you add to water, and other ultrasonic cleaners I've seen used for other types of things all used some sort of cleaning liquid instead of straight water
I was wondering the same.
I was looking at one of these (and other RCM options) just last week. I will be very interested to see the outcome when I watch this one later!
Great video. Isn't it likely that the remaining crackles are caused by tiny scratches to the vinyl, rather than dust?
Yep - that's what I was trying to say at the end. You'll likely never get some records back to new condition.
Hi Mat another great video. One thing I learned over the years of record cleaning is the way that some dust specs get melted into the groove if a dusty record is played. This is because the actual force at the microscopic tip of the stylus is actually enough to melt and soften the vinyl as it is playing. Any dust present at that point can then stick to the melted vinyl and therefore be impossible to subsequently clean off. The vinyl itself is resilient enough to withstand this melting and instantly returns to the shape it was in before the stylus passed over it. This is why it is really important not to play a dusty record. I have to say though that this machine does seem to do a good job but I was wondering what was the point of the filters if you are using distilled water and then only once? I use a Pure Vinyl Vivac machine which is based on the principle of the Keith Monks suction machine - expensive but it too does make a difference. I even clean new vinyl as I have had records delivered new that still have mould release in the grooves from the pressing plant. The Vivac also does a good job of removing the static but those static guns are fantastic and, as you have shown, really do work.
The filter in the water container enables re-use of the water. I re-used the same water for all the cleaning in the video.
Random question: what is a reverberation amplifier and is it any different than a regular amp? https://ibb.co/zR0WdG9 Edit: other than the interesting visualizations, that is... https://ibb.co/ph3XDnx
Yes it adds a weird reverb (echoey) effect (if you turn that bit on) - I did a video about a reverb effects thing once. https://youtu.be/aYuBU-QCd4k . I do have another piece of reverb kit in my hifi at the moment. It's rarely used...but I like the flashy lights.
Of all the record cleaners in all the Kickstarters in all the world, you chose this one. 😄 And very interesting it was, too. I wonder if your high quality stylus did most of the cleaning work, though.
There was definitely gunk cleaned out by the stylus - but it still dragged even after two plays - it was only after the first Ultrasonic clean that the dragging stopped.
How do you clean your stylus?
Magic eraser is best. Dab it.
Nicely done. Shock news; a kickstart that arrived and works! Using headphones, which I don't usually do for this, I noticed a slight buzzing in the left channel on the product shots such as the unboxing. p.s. I hope you YT gives you a pound for every time wood glue will be mentioned in the comments with this.
I did consider buying a record cleaning device a few years ago, including buying a good quality ultrasonic tank of eBay and making my own. Ultimately I decided to give up vinyl altogether and settle for high quality SACDs instead. My friend is quite happy to take my Technics SP10 Mk 2 off my hands and some of my brand new vinyl a well. Thanks for the review Mat.
Great video , just expect lots of "you should have used cleaner x with this homemade solution y" type comments on you tube. In my experience "Audiophile" has to be the hobby with the most Snake oil, wild claims and opinions about the items sold. I listen to records and I like the sound I get from my cleaning and playing set up, and that is all that matters to me.
That’s all it’ll be. Does it still class as engagement if I zone out?
I have to say I'm a little disappointed you didn't even once read the missing dialogue... ;) I think the results were pretty good. Of course you can't wash away physical damage and if the damage is in the groove you can't see it. The results would probably be better if the record was sucked dry and not just air blown at it. Many cleaning devices do that - with a lot more noise. But just with air there is probably dirt that got loose while cleaning and sticks on the record again when it dries. With suction the dirt is removed with the water.
Yeah the puppets could make a comeback with the missing dialogue.
Superb video this. I'd heard of these devices but not seen one in use. Was a bit worried about label damage and so I'm glad to see that this has been thought about!
The high-energy announcer and the low-energy Ilsa from that Casablanca record has had me laughing through the whole video.
I couldn't stop remembering the Monty Python "you are the star" bit :D
But is it a circle? I am assuming if you moan about streaming you are told "Get a Victrola"
You’re probably right.
Going to be honest, I was super impressed with the anti-static gun! The difference that made was amazing. Didn't even know that existed but will definitely be getting one. Also, when I see all the bother it takes to clean records, set everything up etc. I just find myself thinking "What a ball ache". But then, I remember that thats how people feel when I make them coffee at my place and I have multiple Moka pots set up, special barista oatmilk, foaming wands and expensive coffee. They must be thinking "What the hell is this idiot doing? Just get a tassimo" or whatever. We tend to enjoy overcomplicating things for the hobbies we love.
Yes - every time I show anything about records the comments will be all ‘buy a CD’. If I show something about CDs - the comments will be ‘play MP3s’ But if I show MP3’s it’ll be ‘you should stream music’.
Ultrasonic baths are noisy, we use them in the lab, I need to wear ear protection or go away when one is running... My eye was actually distracted by that coloury light thingy on your shelf, are you going to make a video about that?
I’ll be mentioning it in a patreon update only…so I’ll do that next time.
Great video; this was particularly interesting for me, since I own a considerable amount of second-hand records (and buy random lots occasionally). I often considered the ultrasonic cleaners, but my Spin Clean does a sufficient job and it's fun to use on large batches of records. It also recommends using distilled water, but to keep out impurities from marring the record surface. And believe me, the water is so dirty after cleaning a handful of records - I don't know where all that dirt comes from! That anti-static gun intrigued me, I may have to look for one. It reminded me of this hair dryer pistol I saw on auction. 😅 https://ibb.co/YZCcx1t Oh, please don't edit the video if us damn Yankees can't be bothered to learn what 'chemist' is. Majority of said Yankees are probably hungover or engaging in Black Friday sales ATM.
Whenever I get ‘corrected’ on anything reading speech and words it’ll always without question come from a viewer in the USA - and every single time they’re just highlighting their ignorance at not being aware of the concept of language varying outside their state, never mind their country.
