Moza Moin Camera - it could have been almost perfect…
I’m back with a camera review. In this video you’ll also get to see a few clips of where I’ve been. Here’s the direct YouTube link https://youtu.be/Yc_oFZpqe8k
It’s taken me a little bit longer than I’d hoped to assemble this as there were a lot of different elements to tie together. I prefer to give Patrons a longer window of exclusivity, so I’ll most likely delay the public YouTube release until Sunday.
Now I’ve got to tackle my various inboxes. It seems emails and messages don’t take holidays.
Have a good one.
Comments (53)
Just got a chance to watch this last night. I had thought about purchasing one of these when I start to travel but glad I saw your review. Thanks for the thorough review. Cheers!
Designed but never tested. Off to the storage unit!
Interesting video as usual! I really love your objective views on electronic stuff to avoid, as well as things that you like! An unrelated question: After remembering your Millclock ZIN-18 video, I saw that they've started to produce ZIN-70 nixie tubes now as well. You probably already heard of it, but anyhow, it would be awesome to see your take on it (even though it costs almost $1500): https://millclock.com/catalog/76-stunning-zin70-the-largest-nixie-clock-ever And as always, thank you for reading! :)
The big mehs are definitely the audio and terrible placement of the USB-C (and thus no tripod mount!) I had to use my Gopro yesterday and realised how nice it was just having the ports on the side on the 4 and my 5 cannot be charged while in the normal mount. Little things can often make a major usability difference. The UI on the 4 is also leap years ahead with nice big targets to tap.
thanks for the video. while watching your "chest-height" section i remembered the 360deg cameras you reviewed a couple years ago and wondered: did you ever use them or any of the newer ones (i use insta360 one x) for such purposes, just holding them and forget about the rest?
Unfortunately I really disliked their reliance on interaction with smartphone or desktop apps in order to produce viewable video. The extra steps required to make any video viewable meant that it was (for me) more trouble than it’s worth.
The video was enjoyable, and very well done. The only downside, and this has nothing to do with your work Mat, but the story of Alan Turing post WWII never fails to _piss_ _me_ _right_ _off_. I always get irrationally angry at what the British Govt did to him. Not that my govt (US) has a better track record mind you.
Stabilisation is terrible.
I think it doesn't have enough travel in the mechanism to be able to compensate for movement.
The product idea shows promise, just needs a bit of re-work to bring it up to spec. I've got a detachable 4k gimbal camera on my cheap drone, that fits onto a handle, but the whole thing is way too big to carry around. I might even buy one of these after the kinks are worked out. Also, Bletchley Park is now on my bucket list.
I know you're already expecting to barge in with ideas of what you should do to get the "ideal Mat camera" and all that. And here I am becoming part of the statistic :( Have you seen this handy grip accessory for the ZV-1? https://electronics.sony.com/imaging/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilc-accesories/p/gpvpt2bt You get the benefits of the camera whilst sort of transforming it to the form factor that you like.
Yes I’ve got one of those. The camera can’t be slid into a pocket with it on though which is one of the aspects I enjoyed with my older video cameras.
I like your reviews even if I'm unlikely to buy this thing. *All* I could think of while watching was "Hey, this will be pretty good once they get to production and get these issues addressed."
This is a production model though?
Wow. It’s a bit of a relief that most products fail to get Everything wrong… like this camera. While I was turned off by the quality of the video it produced- nearly laughed out loud when you showed that the screen no longer closed completely. That truly proved they did not put a lot of thought into its engineering. Well made review, and I enjoyed the museum shots quite a bit. I cannot believe the mikes on that thing.
I'm glad Matt mentioned the Fisheye effect. I found it quite disconcerting seeing cars change shape as you moved around them.
Had high hopes for this one as I used the DJ one for filming for a band at a Gig along with my VR cameras and WOW... This is even worse. Maybe there is a case mod for a smartphone so you can film from chest height? Probably not when I think about the angles and controlling it. Nice to see you back again though and really nicely put together video again.. good flow
I was happy with the flow of this one too, glad you noticed it.
Very good video. Thank you very much. That USB C socket is really some design screwup. The USB-C specification defines exactly the shape and dimensions USB-C sockets need to have. Especially if the socket is recessed like that. There are some extra pages just for that. That was designed by clueless engineers. Sad!
I bought a cheap Nixie tube watch which was the same, a USB port recessed a bit too much. I lost the supplied cable and I just got another cable and trimmed back the plastic with a pair of side-cutters. Not an option if you use fancy ones like in this video :)
That's a great day out, all on the same site. I hope it is better then when I last visited (2010).
I can’t get over the level of spherical aberration when toggling the recording quality settings. This shows a complete lack of thought by the makers for even basic usage.
300 Dollars? From your video this looks and feels more like a 100$ camera. ¬.¬
I think it was priced to be cheaper than DJI's offering just to appear to be a bargain.
I recently bought a small video camera to mount on my bicycle helmet - an AKASO Brave 7 LE - and I have to say, it's rather shit. It looks good, is waterproof, comes with loads of accessories, and is only £130, but the actual video quality is awful. I do mourn the loss of Techmoan video camera reviews! Maybe if there was one or two a year just to keep on top of them?
I think a lot of people really expect your Saturday upload, and I wouldn't push it back just for us.
I did wonder how many anticipate a Saturday video. If the Patreon views have totally died off by the morning I may move it up to Saturday. Although if my Patreon feeds are anything to go Saturday may be crowded this week - so I’ll see.
Thank you for that, Mat; that's a really worthwhile review. The Gimbal alone is obviously not a patch on the Osmo Pocket. I will absolutely stick with my Pocket 1 which I totally love. (All those V2G videos were shot just with the Pocket and a Rode Wireless Go. An unbeatable combination I reckon. ) Thanks again - that's genuinely useful. SB.
The timing of this video is excellent as it makes my work day a little easier to bear. I have watched what I've fondly entitled the "alpacas video" recently, and the camera demonstrated there clearly has better functionality and features. The location of the microphone on this current camera is extremely annoying and would be my deal-breaker. Finally - I live vicariously through your travels - Manchester, Liverpool, this location and many others. This holiday = better than a cruise methinks 😃 I was lucky to spend some time in London in 2005, but it's unlikely I will ever get over the pond again any time soon. It's a shame, because your country is quite beautiful. Have a great weekend.
The gimbal's stabilization looks like garbage compared to the DJI, lots of drift and jitter, so is the sound... I think you might be able to work the DJI into what you like, when you connect it to a phone with the USB adapter you do get a large(r) screen and that is tilting, even though the 2 are hard mounted you can of course compensate for the tilt with the gimbal. The handle isn't straight anymore but since you can tilt lock it it doesn't matter. I also like the waist location and it works just fine with my pocket 2 and the phone.
Yes there’s always options. I imagine I’ll be getting plenty of advice regarding what I should be doing instead…but I just liked the form factor of this camera and hope in the future I don’t have to compromise my camera requirements as much as I’ve been doing for the best part of the last decade.
It's annoying when you want to like something but can't. I'm sure if you persevered with this camera you'd learn its quirks and would get better results but some flaws are so bad that the effort isn't really worth it. I quite liked the look of the smartphone gimbal that you demonstrated a while ago. On the subject of eyesight, how do you get on with varifocals? I persevered with mine for nearly five years but found myself removing them in order to read. I mentioned this to the optician on my next test and he pointed out how little of the lens is for reading. Recently, I decided to try prescription reading glasses instead. These are exactly as I'd hoped in that they enable me to see really well within a 3-4 foot radius. For me, the benefit of good short-range vision outweighs the inconvenience of having to swap glasses and I wonder if this is a common experience.
This camera's form factor appeals to me and at the start of the video I had hopes that this camera might be turn out to be really useful, but with each fault you found those hopes were dashed bit by bit. Thanks though for a helpful review. At least according to the German YouTubers I follow, I understand that the word 'moin' is a common way to say 'hello' in some parts of Germany. Your German viewers can no doubt clarify that.
I assumed they were a Chinese company - but if they're using German terms I might have been wrong.
Thanks for the review! I would come to the same conclusion, I especially disliked the distortion at the edges, but there seems to be the solution taking a lower framrate... Hopefully they (or another manufacturer) have a look at your video, as I think it is extremely good in describing all the bad things and how to improve!
I see these cameras and think there is a much better way for them to be used, but one doesn't exist as far as I know. What about a gimble camera you don't have to physically hold in your hand? A camera you can attach to your chest like a body cam, a sensor on your head like TrackIR and whatever way you're looking, the gimble turns to look as well. It may be a better way of recording almost exactly from your point of view whilst still being able to use both your hands for whatever you want, and less conspicious and safer than walking through the streets of London or Manhatten with a GoPro strapped to your head.
I find it so odd that companies can make such amazing and sophisticated devices - I remember when gimbals were large enough they had to be mounted on helicopters - but make such basic mistakes in industrial design, like the mic and tally light placement, the USB port and the screen latch. Any competent industrial designer would have been able to solve these problems, without adding much (if any) cost to the bill of materials. So close to a nice piece of kit, but such a letdown.
Enjoyed the pieces to camera, disappointed that this doesn't do 360 photos. I feel like the results from a GoPro on a gimbal would be much better, despite the lack of fold out screen.
Jealous of your holiday destinations. Bletchley Park and the computer museum are top of my list if I ever make it to the UK.
Well, looks like I’ll need to make a trip to the Motor Museum once pandemic is over. So many wonderful cars. Also, nice review.
Great and thorough review as always. I work really close to Bletchley Park, but have never got round to visiting, I really must make the effort! I wonder if the the low audio level is related to the click of the button causing the audio to peak, and it then reducing the rest of the audio based on this "high point". Awful design flaw regardless.
"I wouldn't do that, it'd be madness!" +1
What a disappointment that you didn’t find your new favorite camera. I hope you will find it one day :-) It was nice to see Bletchley Park again though, I was there almost ten years ago. It’s a really good museum and experience. Although we stayed at Milton Keynes, that was another kind of experience all together… what about all the roundabouts?
The MK roundabouts certainly gave the sat-nav a workout. It was spouting directions like an auctioneer sells cattle.
enjoyed the video of the Moza camera Matt. I also enjoyed the background music whilst touring the Alan Turing museum, was that from the music bakery ? I was thinking whilst watcing the video that it must be getting around to buying a new small car review. Anychance of one coming along any time within the next yearor so?
The music was from the BA 757 BGM tape. It doesn't seem to hit any content matches, so it comes in handy. I'm not getting any new cars for a couple of years - I'm waiting until someone brings out one I like, which might take a while, if not forever.
Perhaps they will produce a better version as technology improves. Thanks for the video Mat.
The only way is up.
That was shocking, what a disappointing product.
I was thinking of getting one of these but have now changed my mind. Appreciate your honest review. A bit of a moin but would not of seen the screen as far too small. 👍
I'm not following you on the last sentence. The Moin's screen is a great size. The screen on the DJI Pocket 2 is too small for me - but not for everyone. But overall the one thing I had no issue with was the screen. Well other than the catch falling off...and the slow response and the tiny recording indicator and the small hit points and the inconsistent way to get around or out of some of the menus.
The 120 fov seems a bit much, that's going to give video the GoPro effect, which might have been there intent. Maybe 100 fov with optical image stabilization would have been a lot better. If it had that, a tripod mount, and some means for better audio, I'd order one right now at that price.
I'm mildly envious. The places you visited during your time off look exactly like the sorts of places I'd visit if I ever went to the UK for a holiday.
