This video may help you sleep
A bit of an odd video today - just something I felt the urge to share…with the dozen or so people who might find it useful.
However now I’ve got this out of my system - I intend to make up for it very soon as I hope to have the next (more normal) video uploaded here on Patreon at the weekend.
UPDATE: Removed the video from youtube. Seems the world wasn't ready. It was too confusing for many people and frankly I was just really tired of getting sanctimonious emails giving unsolicited, unqualified and irrelevant health advice based upon what happens in the US private healthcare system.
This video is now a Patreon Exclusive.
Comments (86)
Just saw this on Patreon. Had a 1 night, take home machine test a few weeks ago. Preliminary results mentioned problems when I sleep "supine". I have an appointment to see a NP (nurse practitioner) in about 1 week. I'll be checking on Amazon for a device to use regularly. I don't really want to end up using a CPAP machine if I don't have to. I often wake up still tired, 6, 8 or 10 hours of sleep. Maybe a Tri-Corder might help with my diagnosis.
Thanks for this video, Mat. My wife has recently been diagnosed with mild sleep apnea, and it's doing her head in. Before shelling out a couple of thousand dollarydoos on a CPAP machine, I'm keen for her to give this a try. BTW sorry to read that you had to unlist this video due to prats being prats, but thanks for keeping it for us patrons. A timely reminder that YouTube comments feeds can still be just as much of a toilet as they've always been. *sigh*
I’m glad you might think it could be useful.
After watching your video I was looking for a comparable device to get an understanding if I might struggle with some sort of sleep apnea. (Not to diagnose but more to understand if I should follow up with my doctor) I purchased a slightly different unit, even though the app seems to be very similar. I thought I share at least the device name with you as the device is just on your finger without any cables. Its called wellue o2ring oxygen monitor. Dont know if it is available on Amazon UK. Maybe you can try that one as a alternative. It also has an alert function and build in display.
I think that’s the same company - is the app identical? Also how have you got on with it - is it comfortable?
Thank you for still making this video avaliable on patreon. I only recently joined here and remember this video appearing and disapearing before I had a chance to view it. Having now seen it I found it very intresting and I am going to have to share this video with a friend of mine who, after watching this, I think may be a sufferer. I am sorry to hear of those ignorant responces on this very personal topic however I am very glad it was still avalible here and to have finally seen and learned from it. Thanks
There’s a certain level of understanding and maturity on Patreon that is often unfortunately lacking in the outside world.
Became a patron, to be able to comment. I bought the O2Ring. I have used it now 4 nights, and are happy with the way it works. Thank for the info.
I’m glad it’s working out for you. My sensor has made me realise that I need to sleep on my chest to avoid any problems, and that’s improved things a lot.
Thanks for this, Mat. It's much appreciated. I'm going to look into one of these devices. I often wake up exhausted-- even after sleeping 8 hours-- as well as some of the other symptoms you've mentioned. I have never woken up gasping that I remember, but I do sometimes have something like a spasm that'll wake me up in the middle of the night.
Passed this to a friend who's a sufferer. He says "Thanks!"
My thanks to you too.
Dr Techmoan helped me realize that I probably have mild case, though it hasn't gotten so bad that I've woken up gasping. I haven't sprung for a CPAP or even the finger thing yet, but one thing that's helped already is doing some basic deep breathing for several minutes after I go to bed. And then trying not to sleep on my back as much as possible. The days since I started this have been much better, with more energy and less fog.
My cardiologist suggested a test, now I have a CPAP and it really makes a difference
Do you have the link to the exact one you bought? Thanks.
It was this one - although it was £129 when I bought it https://amzn.to/2ydjso1 (This is an affiliated link - my Amazon automatically generates these) however I’d recommend getting it cheaper elsewhere.
If it works for you then it might help someone else. I got at least one sarcastic remark when I mentioned on a forum that we got my wife a Fitbit purely for the sleep monitoring function. Being able to show medical professionals the results has been useful on a couple of occasions. Getting enough sleep is one of the most important things for good health.
Thanks for this video, it's a pity you had to unlist it. I didn't know there are such easy-to-use devices, and since I also sometimes have such "wake-ups" during night I will definitely try such kind of gadget. Just wanted to let you know this was surely a very useful video, thanks again!
Thanks - it’s one for the Patrons now.
thank you Mat! for all the videos over the years and also for this video. so saddened to hear the youtube trolls have come for you. i hope you know for every abusive email/comment, there are 5 others silently appreciating your videos. your videos mean a lot to me, the obscure tech displayed, but even more so your wit and personality. i hope you will make many more, not just because i enjoy them so much, but also because - most evidently - you enjoy making them. with all my love, d
It’s been a very disheartening couple of days. I didn’t realise that health tech would be as controversial as making a video about something like religion. Never mind lesson learned. There are some things that stir the nutters up and talking about health tech is just another one to add to that very very long list. I’ll stick to making videos about other things. It’s a shame because I just wanted to help a few people in a situation like myself. Anyway I’m glad you’re here. It seems like the only place left to have a proper adult discussion is Patreon.
Mat we care about anything you care about, especially if it affects you personally! Glad it helped you and thanks so much for the video. I’m going to share it with friends with sleeping issues.
An excellent video on an important topic. I got one of those ugly mask a couple of years ago, and it helped me sleep better. But the best thing about that was, that I actually learnt to sleep in different positions and got rid of apnea all together! I haven't used the mask for years now. The device in this video is a highly interesting method of solving the problem and, as you say, things will be even better once Apple incorporates this technology into their watches. Thank you!
Hey Mat. Did you try a Garmin watch? I use the fenix 6 and has excellent stats for sleep and you can use it as an activity monitor plus it has maps.
No - because it’s all about the vibration alert. There are quite a lot of things that give stats, but stats are of no use to me - I need intervention. Hopefully more things will come along that offer an alternative - but at the moment. Fitbit, Withings, Garmin - all totally useless for intervening and stopping an ‘attack’,
Thank you for this video. The symptoms you name I'm having on a daily base since years... and I haven't had a clue why.... till now. So again: thank you very much, I now know where to go.
I’ve had several friends say they wished they’d been tested years earlier / that their CPAP machine changed their life. So I hope knowing what to look into helps you too! Ewen
I picked up a fingertip O2 reader a couple of months ago as the final component of my COVID-19 kit. I already happened to own a digital thermometer, blood pressure cuff, and various heart rate sensors. People shouldn't try to diagnose any condition themselves. Knowing what your normal readings are, and being able to detect that those numbers _aren't_ normal for some reason, is a great step for personal health, though. One day our medicine chests might contain Bluetooth receivers and display a kind of morning weather report about our overall health while we brush our teeth.
I just had one of those "creepy advertisers" moments - after watching this unlisted YouTube video, and not searching for anything related, I started getting ads in Instagram for the Oura ring...
That’s probably my fault - Oura was one of the key words I entered into the video details.
March 12th: "I went to bed after having a few too many drinks." Oof. Didn't we all, mate... 😕📉 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_stock_market_crash#Black_Thursday_(12_March)
Fortunately (or perhaps unfortunately) I don’t have money in any stocks and shares. I think I decided that it was silly leaving a little bit in the bottom of a bottle of Jack Daniels - turned out it wasn’t a little bit after all.
I do hope you plan upload this or a video on other devices like this on your main channel. It is sure to help a lot of people out there, just knowing these devices exist and what they can do.
I’ll be keeping my eye on this sector - as it looks likely I’ll be using something like it for the foreseeable future.
Very useful video! This made me order different version of the device also from ViATOM. This one comes in one piece, the main unit is mounted directly on a finger strap ring. The product code is B07JN5JJ19 and it's sold on Amazon and others.
Thank you for making this and sharing real sleep data. I had no idea these existed. I'm going to pick up one via Amazon Prime and see if it works for me, and if not, then I send it back, no big deal.
Thanks you for the informative video. I understand that you're mainly using it to ward of the potential of some very serious conditions, but I'd be interested to know the impact, if any, on your quality of sleep. Do you feel better rested as a result of using this device? Please forgive me if it was mentioned and perhaps I nodded of because of my own poor sleep quality :)
It’s not a massive change since before I was getting mostly decent nights with some bad nights sleep every now and then - Now I’m just not getting the bad nights.
I've been wondering about that for a while, don't think I'm having sleep apnea regularly but it must happen once in a while. Didn't know there were devices like this that aren't too intrusive. Just ordered one that basically seems to be the same as yours but in a different case/band, it looks like it might be less susceptible to popping off with a bit of luck... a tad cheaper too. Will see how long it takes to come with the aliexpress boat.
I've worn a Cpap since 2000. Do what you can to fix this for your health. The device isn't really that difficult to get used to at night and makes such a difference.
I too suffer from Sleep Apne. I rigged a camera in the bedroom. It has soundactivated recording, and is equippd with infrared light. Much quicker then to go to your GP, and gett remitted.... It showed dangerously long periods of not breathing. I also noticed alcohol consumtion VASTLY increased the number of these periods. My problem is that the airflow through my nostrils is somewhat restricted, and when lying on my back the throat gets blocked. I then tried using a nose spray, just before going to bed. It widens your nostrils. When I then checked the video recordings, it showed a substansial better sleep. Recommended! There is also a throat spryay, whick I have not tested. https://snoreeze.com/product/snoreeze-nasal-spray/ https://snoreeze.com/product/snoreeze-throat-spray/
Useful video this Mat. I'm only 46 but sometimes drink too much (lockdown isn't helping my alcohol consumption either!) and have woken with a start and with a really dry mouth sometimes too, so I might invest in one or wait for the Apple Watch 6 to come out. The older I get the more time I seem to spend in doctors waiting rooms and the Amazon health section...
That looks exactly like something I need! I had also read about the new Apple watch maybe getting the O2 sensor. If it does, I will get that. If not I’ll look into buying one of these I suppose. Thanks for the heads-up, very useful!
Massively interesting video, i don't know about everyone else but I'd like it if you reviewed more sleep apnea/blood oxygen devices on your channel! Quick question: when it vibrates in the night, does it wake you up to make you change places? Or does it only wake you up enough to unconsciously switch places if you see what I mean?
It’s weird - it’s a kind of half way house - I suppose a bit like someone prodding you in the back, you might not remember it happening in the morning. Well at least that’s my experience. It’s not like an alarm going off, or anything that would make you jump, it’s just a gentle buzz that almost subconsciously prompts you into moving. You can also alter the intensity if it’s not strong enough.
This was good to learn about Mat and well put together as always. Glad it's helped you.
Great content Mat! Are you still having a good experience with the blood glucose meter you showed a few years back?
Yes it’s made a big change - I couldn’t go back to the old method. I’m just waiting on them getting approval for their two-way system that uses Bluetooth to send an alert when glucose is going too low, that will be a big change as it removes a lot of worry.
Very interesting - thanks for sharing. I feel better informed!
If you live in Canada or the UK, or any other country with Universal health care, you can expect a six month wait to get into a sleep clinic. In the meantime, this would be a helpful tool to aid in diagnosing a potential sleep disorder.
Exactly - this is all I was trying to share. That’s my experience.
Evidently, playing the didgeridoo can help cure sleep apnea by tightening the soft palate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ82RrXUkQc
...while sleeping? 😳
This was right up my street! I suffered from apnea for years. I always felt tired. I would even have swollen eyes to go along with the headaches. Your point about false readings from a sleep study is very apt. My first study (years ago) diagnosed me with a less severe case of sleep anpea. When i was given my CPAP, the setting (which is not supposed to be adjusted by the patient) was set too low and I spent several weeks despairing that I would be stuck with this condition! But I went on a CPAP forum and read that this was a common problem and that one night of a study is often simply not enough. (It does seem rather unscientific... but I suspect this has more to do with the vagaries of the US health care system) It was in that forum that I also discovered how to get into the administrative controls and increase the air flow pressure. And I can tell you without fear of hyperbole that I had the BEST night of sleep I've had as an adult! I was up early, fully refreshed....even made breakfast for my wife! I am pleased to hear that you found an approach to your condition., especially considering the myriad of health concerns you have mentioned in passing over the years. Couldn't your NHS have reimbursed you for the cost of the device? Seems like if anything you saved the system money by circumventing the usual processes.
The NHS need all the money they can get - I often pay for things I could claim for (like my Glucose sensors) as the money can be better spent on someone more deserving.
Always enjoyable.
I don't know what the laws are like in the UK, but if this was made in the US, you'd really want to have a lot of disclaimers in this video about "this is not medical advice" "see your doctor" and "This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.” I'm very leery of the idea of people self-diagnosing and self-treating. Sleep Apnea is dangerous enough that a visit to a doc and a sleep study is 100% the right thing to do. Although, maybe wait a couple of months.
If people want to use this as a stop gap while waiting for a sleep study, that's fine. Or if their doc explicitly recommends a product like this, great. But using it as diagnosis and treatment without seeing a doctor about it at all is not a smart idea.
At first glance, the title of the video looked like clickbait. On a second thought it sounded like the result of your humor. But it turned out that the title is spot on and it is interesting. Not boring at all. I also have one of these odd nights every few weeks or months. So for me it's definetly worth considering to get a gadget of that sort sometime.
Thanks for this, Mat, very informative. I have a feeling I may suffer from minor sleep apnea too. I have a fitbit versa 2 that tracks my sleep and does have an "estimated oxygen variation" feature. However, it is very limited and only shows a line graph of oxygen levels, without any indication of what those levels actually are. According to a recent 9to5google article, they are working towards implementing a sleep apnea solution for watches that have an spO2 sensor. Here is a link for those interested. https://9to5google.com/2020/01/16/fitbit-sleep-apnea/ While this is a niche video, it's a great help for all those concerned. Could, quite literally, be a lifesaver! Cheers, Mat
Very good, Mat. I know two people who believe they have this sort of problem, and I'll be sending this video on to them immediately. Thanks.
I predict that the comment section of this video is going to be one of the most annoying ones Matt has ever seen. That being said, if the video has any popularity at all, used CPAP machines show up on eBay all the time. A Techmoan style review of a CPAP machine would be very entertaining. At least, it would be for me. An APAP machine would make the most sense, they are designed to detect what the correct pressure is needed at any given point.
Oh I definitely won’t be reading it. I’ve already pinned a comment that restates the obvious - and which everyone will ignore and just restate over and over. So there’s definitely going to be no value there - on with the next video.
Thanks for this, Mat. I suspect that my wife suffers (undiagnosed) and I am certainly going to suggest she try this out. Cheers!
It’s just a good way to get a handle on what’s going on. After you know that, you can choose whether to act on it, or not.
Having been diagnosed with sleep apnea 25 years ago and using a CPAP machine since, I can testify that having a good night’s sleep can be life changing. I thought I was having a nervous breakdown back in ‘95, and after 2-3 nights on the machine people were telling me my personality had changed. Good luck, Mat!
It seems my target audience might be ‘people with sleep apnea’. Take care.
My cardiologist sent me to a sleep apnea test last year after I got a Holter monitor examining if my chest pain is because of a heart failure or not. The doctor said the 24H ecg monitor showed no problems, neither the pictures of ultrasonic exam. I didn't got appointment to apnea checkup yet, and rheumatologist said my chest pain is caused by Tietze syndrome, but a little device like this could help me to identify if I really need to go to an apnea checkup. I usually wake up during night, and hard to start sleeping, but I never woke up gasping for air. It doesn't means I really don't have apnea. When I could afford a device like this, I will give a chance to it. Thank you so much for this interesting video!
I've been suffering through sleep apnea for several years now, and beyond a CPAP, my doctor recommended I try out a similar device that synced with my phone. It's definitely helpful to be vibrated awake when O2 goes too low! I've also tried some of the sleep apps, like Sleep as Android, that use sonar to detect your breathing patterns. I'm not sure how accurate that is exactly, but even that was helpful in diagnosing I had a problem. And it's even better when used in conjunction with an oximeter for tracking some additional sleep pattern data.
I’m surprised how common a condition this is. Reading the feedback here has been an eye opener.
Thank you for this! A co-worker of mine has a severe case of sleep apnea and has one of those CPAP machines, but he's told me it's extremely uncomfortable to use. I will let him know about this product you've shown and see if it might be of some benefit to him.
I’d imagine if he’s been classed as severe he’s probably been through the mill with this and is well beyond a little gadget like this. This is more useful for early home diagnosis , potential mitigation of a mild case and perhaps the first stop before deciding whether to consult a professional.
This post is very useful, especially due to the current pandemic. It seems that personal O2 monitors are hard to keep in stock lately. According to an interview of an ER doc that I saw recently, Covid-19 sometimes causes a victim's O2 levels to reduce over long periods of time--slowly enough that they don't notice it and they only go to the ER when they are in severe distress. Hopefully the Techmoan effect will kick in and get some medical device makers to put out some improved products.
I’ve had pneumonia once and it’s surprising how well you can get by on a quarter lung capacity...that is until you try moving.
CPAP doesn't even work for me, it'll just keep me awake no matter what and once I fall asleep from utter exhaustion, it'll in no time wake me up by blowing air at pressure on my eyes. The head doctor of sleep apnea in my area is also of the kind who is against surgeries even though I suffer from too narrow airways while awake as well. So, I'm out of options regarding the public health care providing in Finland, and I'll either have to go with some private hospital for a surgery, or look into alternatives like what you showed. So, once I watched your video, I went to Aliexpress looking for something similar. Do you think this device on Aliexpress would be better than what you got? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000337895048.html
It uses the same software - just seems to be a rearrangement of the same tech. It might work better, I suppose it all depends on how comfortable that ring is.
I'm leery of folks self-diagnosing. Some years ago, I was told that I should consider having a sleep study based on the complaints I was bringing to my doc. I put it off with a vague "oh, I'll lose some weight I guess". Lol. After a job change and move, I was commuting by car instead of by train and I found that I was napping on the way to work. Not a problem when I was on the train, bigger problem driving a car (microsleep is a thing). Long story short, I now have a CPAP. All the daytime exhaustion issues are gone and spouse no longer wears earplugs at night (I am alleged to have snored some). I still need to lose weight, but I am much more functional during the day. No idea what my SpO2 was then or is now, but if a new iWatch has the feature built in, I may start wearing a watch again for the first time since cellphones!
CPAP user for five years here - very interesting! Thanks for this, Mat.
I ended up requiring maxillomandibular advancement surgery for my sleep apnea, as a CPAP machine was not enough. Discovering the sleep apnea and that I had super tight airways explained so much... And I discovered it purely by chance, most doctors just dismissed all the symptoms as "you need to exercise more and lose weight". I did both things for a long time, they still said the same thing... until a GP sent me to a specialist. The situation was quite obvious to him, and extensive testing confirmed it. But it took a long time to get there :/
I don't have sleep apnea, but I found this very interesting regardless. I think that if I had something vibrating my hand in the night, I'd get a terrible night's sleep. I'm not a heavy sleeper, so this sort of thing would wind up waking me completely. When I was a drinker, I'd sometimes start to snore before fully falling asleep, which would wake me up, often for quite awhile.
My wife has sleep apnea and is supposed to wear a CPAP machine, but rarely does. She wore it for a couple of months and then just stopped. I honestly think she got tired of having to clean it every other day which is sort of a pain.
Got to ask - did the noise of the machine keep you awake? The Mrs said if I had to get one, she might have to sleep in another room. The funny thing is that we don’t have another room.
Nope, that was definitely very interesting, as usual!
I fixed myself by hitting the treadmill, opening up airways and increased blood flow through tight arteries. Nothing to do with weight, it's unused lung capacity over time
Quite happy you've made this video. As a longtime sleep apnea sufferer, getting treatment has been life changing (and probably lengthening). Sleep apnea has a horrible knock-on effect for pretty much every chronic condition you can think of, from obesity to heart problems, so it's so important that people who suspect they might have it get treated. Overnight sleep studies are extremely intrusive and unpleasant, so I'm happy you've found another method. That said, only a C-PAP machine works for me (and I'm not overweight!) and I'm pretty sure that here in the States you need a proper sleep study to get a prescription for one... So YMMV.
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