Experiments in dinking
A simple little video where I have a go at dinking - with less than stellar results.
Comments (78)
Matt, the screw in the hole-punch is too large because it's just a standard off-the-shelf hole-punch. And ouch! that hand-scribe just looks like it could never work - as you succinctly demonstrated. I wonder if a proper hole-saw for your power-drill might work - the centre bit should be exactly the same size as a 7" record hole, but maybe that could be changed..
#KBM - You trolling bastard! ;-)
I had a good laugh watching this video. Sometimes it’s great when it all goes wrong.
Did the big hole thing come from Jukeboxes in the 50’s? I know that I’ve seen some really old 7 inch records that seem to have the larger hole pre cut so you can push the middle out a la an Airfix model. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it on a modern 7”
It’s all explained in this video. https://youtu.be/hbFgVjijrHI
I have that same vice and you can slide the rubber pads off the grips. Too late for this video but may help in the future.
Thanks - a load of people mentioned it on YouTube. I had no idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCApeXCE0W8
I appear to be the only person who DIDN'T misread it as "drinking"!
Dinkin flicka.
The price for getting your records professionally dinked is probably we worth it....
I fancy creating a tool for this, like a little laser dinking lathe 😂
Go for it - you could become a pro-dinker.
Loved the comments (and "PFAQ") over on the 'tube. Wondered about the background music but, amazingly, didn't feel the need to ask! Still can't believe people would do this (DIY or outsourced to someone with a machine). Wow.
For what it's worth, this guy uses the same tool (#1), with more success: https://youtu.be/V0wcxec1dBk Apparently, the oversized bolt is supposed to be threaded through the hole which aids centering. Drilling the hole out obviously threw centering out the window, so I guess the instructions that came with your kit were very wrong indeed. And here's a different dinker method with a rather satisfying action: https://youtu.be/LkKV6H7O4Jo
The bolt on mine wouldn’t fit through a record any more than my little finger would - I used a tapered bit for centering purposes. I’ll link to that video of a dinker - I’d seen a picture of one of those, but not a video, thanks.
I have a funny feeling that I could probably buy a hole saw that could fix this problem. I'd probably heat it up above the stove to prevent breakage, of my precious Laura Branigan record collection, though :-)
... Let alone risk harming the New Kids on The Block!
C'est la vie indeed.
Ok, I’m a woodworker. A DIY dinking setup would seem pretty easy to me. You need a benchtop drill press, the correct size hole saw bit and a jig with a pin centered under the bit to line up your hole and hold the record in place. Not that dinking should even exist anymore!! 😂
The jig should be the reverse cutout of a 45 with a drill hole under the small center hole of the 45. The hole saw bit needs to have the centering drill bit removed and a pin the same size as the small hole in the 45 installed. You line the jig up to the center of pin in the hole saw, clamp it down and simply go slow.
I kinda like when everything goes wrong because you always keep calm and upbeat.
Yeah... that's why I gave up dinking. lol
Holy, cow, you are a bad dinker! :-D Seriously, can't believe that people ever thought this was a good idea.
"I dink, therefore I am."
The real question, to me, is: if the standard 45 RPM 7" records are supposed to have a large hole, why on earth did UK records have the small one??? :-)
Crying my eyes out with laughter imagining vinyl lovers watching this video in absolute horror. Thanks for the laugh!
Thanks for making my day... uhm... evening again Mat, it's really a hilarious video ;-). Maybe I'll try to send some records I need to get rid of to you, so you can dink them, and then they're broken enough to throw away :-P
Send the records to This Old Tony. He can put it on a lathe and cut the hole larger!
I just bought all this gear and the records to make this one video. Now that it’s done, that’s where me and dinking part ways. I don’t really play singles but if I did, I’d do it on my main record player with the small spindle.
...Next week, adjusting laserdiscs to play in your CD player :-)
"Let me go and get some sandpaper"... LMAO... Ow my sides hurt :-)
Remember, for dinking Gloria Estefan singles you'll need a Miami vise. 😃 ...I'll see myself out. 😒
These are quite horrible tools for this job. xD
I can't tell if you dinked it up or not...
I wouldn't be too hard on yourself about the off-centre record. To my eyes, it looked like you had it pretty much in the middle. I wonder if the record was a bit squiffy to start with. Gosh though, that second tool was a bit dodgy. :(
It looked pretty central to me too. That wow though...
Wow.. that would really suck if somebody tried one of those first time on a record they really cared about. It looks like you need to practice on 5 or 10 records first.
I think by the time I’d cocked two or three up...I’d be doing a search for a good dinking service. It all seems a bit too random for my liking.
Thank you for giving it a go in the name of science and entertainment!
I had that "It's My Party" record. Not the same Dave Stewart who was one half of the Eurythmics. Ah, memories...
Don't dink and jive.
The first device is for punching large holes in sheet metal, hence the large bolt to withstand the force. You might get away with putting a short bit of heat-shrink tubing around the bolt to fit the hole size created by the step drill. That might help to center the punch on the record.
My dinking days are over - but if I ever need to cut a hole in a piece of sheet metal, now I've got the tool to do it.
A proper hole saw on a drill press would work easily, and you could get both for a decent price if you got a light duty type drill press. But even then centering it would be a major problem and I can’t figure out how to do about it. That second dinker was awful - a torture device for records! I don’t see anyone being able to use that well consistently
I thought it was going to be experiments in DRINKING...
The holes in the records are probably an imperial measurement whereas the high tensile bolts are metric. If they used a smaller metric bolt, there's more chance of cutting the hole far off centre.
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...still staring, jaw-dropped...
Ya dinked up the dinkin', ya dink! (dink is a hilarious word and I'm surprised you managed to keep a straight face talking about all this dinking)
Well, that was fun. Made me laugh a couple times. I hope that you were being sarcastic when you said the failures were due to lack of skill. The first one looked a bit more promising, but as soon as you have to drill out the hole accuracy is out the window. The second one might work, if the large hole size was correct, and the dunker was put into some sort of drill press so the it was always vertical to the record. By then the speed and pressure of the drill has spun the record off kilter or cracked it. But I do have a great marketing idea, since you’re already selling the Moans merch. Dink that stack of 45s, sand the crap out of the label like you did the NKOTB record, then sign the labels and sell them to all your fans! I’d buy one!
It’s certainly one idea for them..but I fear the vinyl enthusiasts would hunt me down and extract their revenge with an industrial dinker.
I think the first one would have worked better if you used a drill that is a perfect fit for the bolt so there is no play for it to be off center. The seller should have included the right drill bit! I wonder if the reason for using a too-large bolt in the first place is that the next standard bolt size smaller would be too small, making it guaranteed to be loose and hard to keep centered.
They suggested using a tapered bit rather than a normal one to ensure the hole is centered.
I know from having to cut fan holes for computers it's a nightmare job. The only worse thing I can think of (thankfully never needed!) is dinking a LaserDisc!
As Rhett and Link always say, "Dink it. And, Sink It!"
Pretty much the same tool used for making holes in sinks, to mount a tap in. Sinkhole, dinkhole, what's the difference :D
Sinkhole, dinkhole, Holiday Inn... Sorry there’s just some things that pop into my mind.
This reminds me of the one time as a kid when I and a friend tried to sand off the grooves of a record to make our own recording on it. Phase 1: Sand off record, Phase 2: ???, Phase 3: Our own recording on a record. 🤔
About as successful as my attempts to program a ZX81 game by making loading noises down a microphone.
Alternative video title: dinky toys. However, that will demonetize your video for sure.
Now if it were valuable, you wouldn't be dinking it, would you? Anyway, lovely little video, you should do those quick videos more often, it's fun, easier to make for you and keeps the spontaneous feeling that make a good YouTube video. After all it was your quick and short Curta video that hooked me on your channel...
I've been doing these whenever something appropriate has turned up. I do wonder though whether it cheapens the channel. I don't know if people are expecting a certain type of video, one with more effort put in. The Cheese Sandwich was an attempt to separate out these types of videos.
Nice video. I can't imagine using any of these tools on a valuable record. Even if you would use a soft cloth and gloves you only have to slip once to get a big scratch...
Oh well, well done for trying anyhow! One of the (many) things I don't understand is why large diameter centres are really needed for jukeboxes at all. After all, there were jukeboxes that successfully handled the much more fragile shellac 78s, none of which had large diameter holes, as far as I know. One interesting-ish factoid is that 7" records manufactured in the UK had the 'perforations' to aid removal of the centre stamped in after the record was pressed. I believe it was done on a separate machine to the actual record press. The shape of the removable part (circular or triangular) and the number and size of attachment points (3 or 4, thick or thin) can have considerable influence on the value of a collectible record, believe it or not (as this obviously won't affect the sound of teh record in any way!) This article goes into more detail than you'd ever want to know http://select45rpm.com/pages/londonthick.html Thanks for another great video, Mat - have a good weekend!
There were plenty of jukeboxes that could handle the smaller hole as well. It really just depends on the model and where you bought it. I think many of the people who need the dinkers are in places like the UK but they've imported a big old Wurlitzer from the US.
I keep reading that as "drinking". I get the feeling die cutting is the correct approach to dinking a record, but you probably need something that supports the record and also can apply constant pressure. I'd worry about the first tool cracking a lot of records.
I'm also a bit disappointed that this video wasn't about Techmoan getting drunk at the checkered table
It does drive a lot of the content - those late night ebay purchases.
By the way if I hear "What does it take to be a Shen Yun Dancer?" once more I may go mad. To those who haven't heard the ad as a pre-roll on YouTube then consider yourself very fortunate. I don't pay for youtube premium (or whatever it's called) as I do want to see what kind of ads are being used on my vids...but a bit more variety would be nice.
I know, that one drives me crazy along with St. Judes Hospital.
Almost like a cooking video. (at least when I cook) LOL I have to admit that I have first read dRinking, and in the first scene I see you're drinking, having a bench vice and an electric screwdriver on the table; I thought oh my god he's gone mad now. Luckily it turned out well, kind of... You did not run amok or hurt yourself; you killed only Laura. ;-)
Now you mention it, it does look a bit concerning - like the Marathon Man scene - 'Is it safe?"
Dinkin' ain't eazy. Haha... that was a very enjoyable video.
That second dinker is really terrible, an awful design. I wonder if you could use a drill attachment like folks use to cut lock and knob holes in doors for better effect. Thank you for dinking tho, much enjoyed!
There is another one on ebay that uses a drill attachment https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vinyl-Record-Dinker-Jukebox-records-dinker/163954547964 - but it's £120 and I'm all dinked out.
Ohhh dink not drink 😂
I read it wrong 100 times and only figured it out when I started watching. Haha.