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November 10, 2019

Patreon Update - Nov '19 - Part 2 (VIDEO EDITION)

A video edition of Part 2 of the November 2019 odd-cast.  

https://youtu.be/OnZ3FJ2m2HI

An audio only version is available in a separate post. 

The conclusion of the cliff-hanger November update. 

Features: What's in the box?  

Links to things mentioned in this video:

Argos Catalogues: http://argosbookofdreams.co.uk

Phonocut: https://phonocut.com

Square off Neo: http://bit.ly/2Ctk6fH

(I’m not endorsing any of these Kickstarters - just linking to them - there’s no affiliation). 

P.S. There's a reference right at the end of this video to a character name out of South Pacific that won't make any sense as the joke it refers to was removed for the sake of decency. It was regarding the similarity to a Maud Adams title role in a 007 film - definitely a joke best left on the cutting room floor. 

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Raymond Okoński · April 16, 2023

The Sony CRV I saw in OB Scanners and were used at sports events to provide good quality slo-mo replays of goals etc where VT tape usually induced frame roll when the speed of replay was reduced. They became redundant when solid state video processing took over.

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Dodger-nzl · November 19, 2019

I almost brought a box of those recordable laserdiscs about a dozen years ago on a local New Zealand site as a purely collectable item. So I guess they were used over in this part of the world as well.

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Phil Collins · November 14, 2019

I hope you copyrighted the OddCast name, someone will steal it . I saw those WORM drives used for data backup many years ago when I used to frequent server rooms, never seen the broadcast side.

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Techmoan · November 14, 2019

I’d imagine someone is already using it - it’s a bit too obvious to have not been used. Hold on, I’ll google it... ...I’m back 296,000 matches (and a company with that name). I’d better just stick to using it hyphenated and only here on Patreon.

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Dave Wild · November 12, 2019

We used the Sony CRV disks and players in BBC News for many years. An early "virtual studio" was created for the main BBC News from '93 to '99 and this comprised pre-rendered graphics played from CRV laserdisc synchronised to a Charisma digital video effects device to do moves and shrink picture elements. Here is a link to the closing titles where you can see the real elements once the lights are faded down: https://youtu.be/CakSRE8WOPw - see also https://www.desandmick.co.uk/television/bbcnews/ - My work notes show that we used CRV in the big news studio TC7 certainly until late 2001 for titles, for example Newsround. It quite likely ran all titles that came out of this studio for example Breakfast, Working Lunch, Newsround, Newsnight. Two machines ran in sync - one for video ,the other "key" if required (although I think the "key" video was by this time running from a hard disk based system). I have a photo from 2004 showing two monitors in the gallery labelled "laser 1" and "laser 2" although again one definitely wasn't a laser disk and both may have been redundant at this time.

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Techmoan · November 12, 2019

Excellent - many thanks for this. I knew someone would come through with the information I needed and there have been a couple of examples now. It makes it a lot easier for me to explain why anyone would need recordable laserdisc. As soon as digital video recording came in the LD systems were redundant. It was a pretty small window - but an important transition.

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Anders Enger Jensen · November 12, 2019

So many comments, so I may be repeating what’s already been said, but Alec from Technology Connections will help you with the CRV thingamabob. ;)

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mark barratt · November 11, 2019

Love these ( and all your videos), feels like I've popped round to see a mate for a catch up someone is bound to have mentioned it, but have you considered chatting with Clive to see if there's anything he could do to 'clean up' the output on the Ryobi, as your planned usage makes perfect sense in helping with future videos. Seems a shame to just write it off if it'll take the big man a half hour to sort ( and he gets a crosslinked video with you too )

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Techmoan · November 11, 2019

I’m not great on reaching out to people, I find it difficult. After everything that went down with the Ryobi video though it’s left a bad taste in my mouth and I’d much rather forget about the whole debacle.

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Asaf Sagi · November 11, 2019

Also, I'm from Israel and have never seen anything here regarding record lathes (ads nor stuff in record stores or record fairs, and this is a pretty tight community here). If you have links you want me to check out, or google stuff for you in Hebrew, feel free to message me.

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Techmoan · November 11, 2019

I’d never buy one because they’re too expensive and I’d never use it - but here’s an example https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-Vinyl-Lathe-Atom-A-101-Vanrock-E-101-Japanese-Record-Cutter-Recorder-/333331670463

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Asaf Sagi · November 11, 2019

Dennis Moore Dennis Moore, dum dum dum dum dum

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horrovac · November 11, 2019

"Without any further ado, let's get on with it." ... Followed by a lot of ado contemplating the phrase "without further ado"...

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Ken Martin · November 11, 2019

I've got another real-world application for you for the Sony WORM disc you teased. The Tampa Bay Bucs used these. I have a friend who runs the music and video for the Bucs and from '94 to '97 he says they used these disc to play video and stills on the Jumbotron in the stadium. There is one guy who is the common denominator for all of this. His name is Chris Clark and he worked for both MOR Music TV and the Bucs. I've lost track of him through the years but I thought you'd like another example of a real world application for these WORM discs.

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Techmoan · November 11, 2019

That's excellent - many thanks. At least I'll have some examples of what these were used for now - if I didn't say anything it would have been the first question anyone would ask.

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Brad Jones · November 11, 2019

I'm feeling rather left out I've not seen these "Alan Moore" adverts, despite being in the UK! Wasn't Alan Moore also the name of Richard Beckinsale's character in Rising Damp? On the subject of adverts, one issue I have is that my iPad is very old (2013) and won't update any further than iOS 9. I was the one who suggested a playlist for these Pat-ex videos, as I can't get the Patreon app working on the iPad. Presumably also due to this, adverts often cause YouTube to crash, necessitating a restart. It'll crash just before the puppet segments, for example. Might have to bite the bullet ask that nice Father Christmas for a new iPad...

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Techmoan · November 11, 2019

I hear the base iPad is very good now -it’ll feel like a big upgrade. Hopefully Santa delivers.

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OzRetrocomp · November 11, 2019

Yep, I copped one of those "Alan Moore" ads. Against my better judgement, I decided to search for reviews on that X One phone. The only reviews I could find were on really sketchy looking websites, all of which just happened to offer a 50% discount on said phone. Meanwhile, people that actually bought the phone (and/or the drone) are posting elsewhere to complain that they never received their goods. If only YouTube was as good at pulling dodgy ads as they are at sniffing out alleged copyright infringement.

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PiraTed · November 11, 2019

I DEMAND a puppet poorly written Chinese advert skit on them leaving the show to create a higher quality product !!! /s Btw that's some comfy looking carpet you got there. Also the more I hear about YouTube and the noticable changes the creators are seeing the more I feel that the best times on the platform are behind us.

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Retro Nick · November 11, 2019

Hi Mat. Great update. Was wondering if there is a link to last Kickstarter one you showed please (the turntable that could be read from below). That looked interesting. Recordable laserdisc look forward to that video

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Techmoan · November 11, 2019

Here you go https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/865809794/wheel-by-miniot

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Andrew Shaw · November 11, 2019

I feel I really need to complement you on absolute EPIC length of the shag carpeting that was shown in the photos of the disc-player. I'm pretty sure I've never seen any that plush before. Love it. Really enjoy these updates and if I see any "mistakes" in future videos I'll be sure to shout them out to you. Cheers!

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Dan Weiss · November 11, 2019

I too enjoy the "Cheese Sandwich" videos. I also demand to know how you can be so ironic and funny on a channel that is about things that should be dry and boring, but are not. I remember you describing a piece of equipment that was not working at the moment as "pinning for the fjords". That was worth the price of admission as we say in the US.

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Andrew Torrance · November 12, 2019

I've got a friend who swears he'd watch a video of Mat reading the phone book.

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Duncan · November 10, 2019

I have to admit I watched all the way through the Alan Moore video and almost fell for it. There appeared to be a few clever references to things like Apple throttling back performance in older phones which made it seem quite credible. Having seen that it makes it easier to understand how people fall for the "Unlock your pension" scams which in my case go straight from the envelope into the shredder. p.s I wonder if Technolgy Connections knows anything about the Recordable Laserdisc.

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Joseph Chantiny · November 10, 2019

I really like the longer videos they are a big part of why I am a patron.

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Big Car · November 10, 2019

I was looking at the thumbnail for the 45 / LP video. It's a little confusing to me, even though I know what it's about. It looks like "FORMAT WAR 1949 8845 vs LP". You may want to change, and maybe simplify it a bit.

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Techmoan · November 10, 2019

I’ll have another look at it - thanks.

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Ying Mak · November 10, 2019

So the Alan Moore that I like (the comic book fellow) is now associated with youtube commercials. That's both funny and sad. I have a premium youtube subscription (as part of a family membership plan) so I don't see ads. Did not realize they were becoming the lengthy epics as you've shown here. I can see why people in the comments get upset about ads. That said, viewers have a sense of entitlement to the content. Just like how some demand that you always put out 40 minute videos all the time for their enjoyment, as you pointed out. Instant gratification and all that. There's no thought to the work that has to put in. Speaking of which, sorry to hear the 45 vs. LP video drove you mad. But it was a great episode! Losing your mind for the rest of us.

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Mark Elliott · November 10, 2019

Your explanation of making Cheese Sandwich videos so that you can make the longer ones is a bit like car companies and their “halo” cars. The only reason Porsche can make all manner of 911 GT2s & GT3s etc is because they sell a truckload on boring Cayenne SUVs. Or why Toyota brought out the bonkers Lexus LFA a few years back, never would of happened unless millions of dull people bought Corollas. So to me your long form things are your “halo” video and they are exactly the ones I tell people about.

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Keith Johnson · November 10, 2019

Please take this video down! I’m getting death threats! Nelly Forbush

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Techmoan · November 10, 2019

At this point - it really would not be a surprise.

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Chris Crowther · November 10, 2019

I've never seen those adverts...I have seen all the spam that seems to be talking about the same thing though (repeatedly).

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Chris Freemesser · November 10, 2019

Alan Moore, Alan Moore riding through the land...Alan Moore, Alan Moore without a merry band...he steals from the poor and gives to the rich...stupid bitch. :)

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Mark Hesse · November 10, 2019

1st thing that came to my mind also. Maybe Alan Moore and Arthur Bell can start a new company together to manufacture power tool battery packs that will easily switch from 115V/60Hz to 230V/50Hz and sell them 50% off!

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John Bailey · November 10, 2019

The recordable laserdisc you show off here looks (superficially) like something that was once frequently used in banking as a write-once data storage medium. We called them WORM Platters; I'm not sure if there was a more proper name for them or not. When properly connected to a computer system, the drive the platters load into appears as an external SCSI hard drive. LGR covered WORM disks at one point, and these platters were essentially just larger versions of that. If you open the metal cover and see the disc surface, it should look very much like a DVD-RAM disc does, and all three work on a similar principle, the difference being DVD-RAM were rewritable and the others were not. I'm curious now if the recordable laserdisc and this 12" WORM platter were in fact the same thing.

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Techmoan · November 10, 2019

I get the feeling this format is going to create more questions than answers. I never like to go into a video with no knowledge of the subject - but it’s looking likely on this one.

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Peter Jensen · November 10, 2019

I love this man and his videos. ❤

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Sterling Treadwell · November 10, 2019

not sure if you planned to sell store or chuck the lazer disc recorder/pc but I am wondering if anyone on the retro boards like sega ages or atari would want to check it out. There have been hybrid lazerdisc/video game systems that are niche, makes me wonder if getting your hands on new old stock of htose blanks, plus that kit, would mean limited runs of reprints or even NEW games for those old systems... I know you said the discs can't be dropped into a standard player.. but.. these folks can be damn brilliant and might find a way to burn it to a specific format... anyhow.. just a thought. :) Would be funny to have you help be the father of a laserinteractive revival..haha

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Techmoan · November 10, 2019

I do have plans to give it to a chap I know who can house it. There were two other (I think) types of recordable laserdisc that would be more suited for the uses you’ve mentioned. One of these recorded red coloured discs that could be played on a normal player and I believe held the same amount as a normal laserdisc as well at 60 mins per side. I think the one I have is perhaps the least suitable version.

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Tyler Knott · November 10, 2019

Regarding those low quality ads you're seeing, the Youtube channel Tantacrul recently did a video on that exact type of "corporate" music and why it's so soulless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIxY_Y9TGWI

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Ken Martin · November 10, 2019

OMG. Yes, I know about those recordable discs. In the mid 90's I worked for MOR Music TV. It was a satellite/cable channel in the USA based out of Tampa Bay, Florida. MOR Music TV played music videos and had a toll free number you could call to order the CD. It was kinda like a combination between MTV and the Home Shopping Network. There is a Wiki page about the channel but it's very short. The videos that channel played were recorded on those recordable laser discs! I believe we had a bank of 6 playback decks. The technician running the thing would be prompted to insert the correct disc into the machine for a song which was scheduled to play. When it was done, it would either eject the disc to make room for the next or keep it in the machine if there was another video coming up from the same disc. Since a lot of the promos between the songs came from one disc, that one usually stated in a player for a long time. The music was scheduled just like a radio station. I did audio production for the company since we replaced all of the audio provided on the original videos with cleaner copies from CD's. The company went belly-up because they couldn't get picked up by cable companies and about the only people watching it were those who had a satellite dish and who lived in VERY remote places where going to the record store was an all day affair, such as Alaska.

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Techmoan · November 10, 2019

Thanks for that - it’s the first real-world use I’ve heard of so far. Even the museum weren’t too sure why they had it.

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Bill Basch · November 10, 2019

Even though the Ryobi inverter video sounds like it became a nightmare for you, I am so glad you made it, because youtube is nearly devoid of any videos that are quite that intelligent as far as the puppet outro and the timing. And you even sacrificed the extra revenue to stay genuine to the sub-10 minute time cutoff. It also served as a reminder to us, that a pure sine inverter is critical for electronics - a lot of folks out there will now know where the hum is coming from and why.

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Peter Laws · November 10, 2019

I was thinking that there were plug-in hum eliminators and there are, but they are to break up ground loops (where interconnected equipment is on different power circuits) without remembering that this isn't the issue here - it's the nasty square-wave coming out of the inverter. There may be something you can just plug in that will smooth that down closer to a sine-wave, but probably not enough.

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Emily Caspick · November 10, 2019

I'll continue to watch all your videos regardless of length, because I just can't get enough of obscure audio formats, hi-fi oddities, and puppets. I say keep up the good work, and thanks for doing these chats as well. -Alan Moore

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Techmoan · November 10, 2019

Your sign-off made me laugh. - Arthur Bell

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JockeTF · November 10, 2019

I actually like the really boring dull guy who needs to have a lie down, he was very relaxing to watch! Also, please consider petting that cat!

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Techmoan · November 10, 2019

I normally like cats, we had a few before I left home - but this one is a real douchebag.

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Jörg Schötz · November 10, 2019

"I demand to know why you reuploaded the video!" - now I know why you designed the Moans like you did. There are crazy people outside... :D

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Techmoan · November 10, 2019

The funny thing is that a similar situation occurred a couple of years ago and I lampooned it in this video https://youtu.be/lk6qQz06Wtw Demando boy won't be demanding anything again...

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Holger P Kleinert · November 10, 2019

I like the idea of short videos and was absolutely stunned when the long 49 record war video came out. That was as good as any high budget TV production and the information was so densly packed, that not one second was wasted on rambling or repeating information. If you lower your "video output rate", bearing in mind you are still a one-man show after all, I would NOT lower or withdraw any of my patreon support. In fact I think your video output rate is quite high.

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Techmoan · November 10, 2019

That’s good to know. I aim to put out one video per week, however *if* I get a hit video that takes the pressure off a bit, so much so that I might drop to three videos that month.

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Mike in Texas · November 10, 2019

Only chronic complainers complain...others give constructive criticism...personally I enjoyed the Ryobi inverter one...kept me from buying one.

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Techmoan · November 10, 2019

The larger 40V version looks like a better bet - if you already have the battery. No use to me in the UK - they don’t do any of the 40V stuff here.

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Kjell Bavergren · November 10, 2019

The "giant floppy thing" kind av recordable media was very interesting. I am hoping to see more of that:-)

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Techmoan · November 10, 2019

Yes I’m hoping to learn more about it. Hopefully it works too.

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Bryon Smedley · November 10, 2019

Another Camera Conspiracy fan. Way to go.

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Techmoan · November 10, 2019

I mentioned him on a patron exclusive update a few months ago back when he was in Thailand. . I don’t know if anyone checked him out after that.

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Giga · November 10, 2019

Good morning, Mat! Just wanted to say i love your videos, even the "cheap" ones. I get excited every time i get a notification for you. Keep doin' what you do! Cheers from the US.

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Techmoan · November 10, 2019

Thanks Rob.

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Enapace · November 10, 2019

I enjoyed the second part thanks for making it. Plus thank you for link about Square Off Neo that idea did interest me but like you would want something smaller

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Techmoan · November 10, 2019

I originally ordered the Swap, but then changed it to the Neo. The smaller size is more important to me than the extra features.

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Bryon Smedley · November 10, 2019

These chats are always a treat!

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Raymond Nichols · November 10, 2019

I always love the cheese sandwiches. Just as there isn’t time to make 40 minute videos every time, there isn’t time to watch 40 minute videos every time. Sometimes it is great to get a straightforward, quick video and then get on with your day. They are a little spark to the day.

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Techmoan · November 10, 2019

That’s good to hear. Based on how the 1949 Format war video has gone so far - it seems like longer videos scare a lot of people off.

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Holger P Kleinert · November 10, 2019

OK I am at 1:15. The box has "LVM" written on it. Could this be "Laser Video Megadisk" or something? I have seen those before but in a case that was thinner than this.

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Holger P Kleinert · November 10, 2019

Almost right :)