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December 31, 2018

Extra Video (pulled from the bin) [UPDATED]

I have this video that I'm really not sure what to do with. 

I shot this in November and originally edited together a version of it in early December when I had that bad cold. As a result the voiceover sounded horrible and the structure and edit was compete nonsense. Even in my semi-feverish state I could tell that it was just garbage, so I put it to one side and worked on the four part HiFi video instead. 

After my new mic & compressor arrived I thought it might be a good idea to try re-voicing the whole thing as a way to practice and dial in the settings. However while doing this I also decided that the video needed a complete re-edit. This almost halved the original bloated running time.

Here's the problem. It's one of those videos that still really doesn't work and may also ruffle a few feathers. I have no plans to re-edit it again. It is what it is - but it also feels like it might be more hassle than it's worth making this one public. 

Winding up both Amazon and Nintendo may not be my wisest idea.

So I'll post it here for you to see - that way I can feel like I wasn't completely wasting all my time on it and if you have a strong opinion either way on whether I should put it out, please let me know. 

--------------UPDATE --------------

The results are in and the main consensus seems to be that there is nothing wrong with the subject matter however there were a few complaints about the execution. 

The main one of these seems to be the rambling outro over the end credits. So a bit of snipping, rearranging and use of B-roll footage has moved this back into the main section of the video. 

It also became apparent that I hadn’t properly highlighted the “Fulfilled by Amazon” badge which signifies that these consoles are being shipped out from the Amazon Fulfilment centres. 

The reason this last point is important (and was the impetus behind the video) is because while you might be able to order these kind of legally suspect products direct from China - I would expect the Prime Fulfilment Warehouse inventory to be subject to some kind of vetting process. 

If I wanted to ship illegal narcotics from their Fulfilment centres I’d expect to be turned down - so someone must be looking at this stuff. 

The other concerns were that my first trial experiment at doing a practice test voice over with my new equipment wasn't perfect - this is very true.

Anyway the video you see above now is the updated one that will be going public soon. 

Thanks for your help as always. 




3000 ROMS shipped direct from Amazon...plus a dodgy console (YouTube)

Comments (46)

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Junkly · January 2, 2019

If I hadn't read the intro I never would have known it was voice-over'd. All your reviews are enjoyable to watch, regardless of content, keep up the good work!

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Gideon Jones-Davies · January 1, 2019

Hi Mat, Happy New Year. Just to say I enjoyed the short video about the games console. I didn't know about these before. I agree with what many others have said, it's interesting content and fine to go out. I look forward to seeing the review of the year soon.

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Stephen Bell · January 1, 2019

Hi, Happy New Year, Mat. Just catching up after the festivities. I'll get to your end-of-year navel-gazing epic during the week! :) This video is fine; the important thing is wether the content is interesting, and at this length, it's perfectly OK. It told me things I didn't know, and that interested me. It's a bite-sized Techmoan. It would be a shame to, bin it totally.

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Roland Bogush · January 1, 2019

Works for me - I think raising Intellectual Property concerns is on-point with many other videos you have made that discuss copy protection measures on audio and video formats, so why not games as well? I can’t see that this video would devalue or impair the Techmoan brand in any way. Although, I supoose we should be aware that the Patreon people are essentially your ‘fan’ club so we are all somewhat biased - towards you. I wonder how long it would take to play just one level of all 3000 games...

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Mark Grigoleit · January 1, 2019

A thorough job, as always. Last arcade emulator I used was MAME to play my favourite game, Defender. I can remember plugging quarters into those games in the early 1980s.

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David Simmons · January 1, 2019

VO is a big improvement, anytime you post retro gaming stuff on YouTube you’re letting it all hang out, they’re almost as bad as the audiophile crowd... but if you can deal with that group then let it fly on YouTube might be one of those surprise hits if you get the title right...

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Tim Honiss · December 31, 2018

Oh gosh, I'm sorry Techmoan, but that voiceover sounds too high quality! I pefer the lo-fi quality of your earlier voiceovers.

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evistre · December 31, 2018

Yep, that was awesome. I'd release it! :)

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Jac Goudsmit · December 31, 2018

Apart from the voice-over that sounded about as bad as the one game with the messed-up audio, this would be a good TechMoan Quickie (or whatever you decided the name would be for shorter, somewhat off-topic videos)

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Michael Turner-Craig · December 31, 2018

Hope you release the clip! I thought it was very interesting :D

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evistre · December 31, 2018

Thanks for putting this out. :) Even the videos you aren't super into, I end up enjoying quite a bit. Haven't watched this one just yet, but am excited to watch it later today!

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Slip Digby · December 31, 2018

I really enjoyed it. Glad it didn't end up in the bin. I don't think it would feel out of place on the channel at all.

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Harold Karrar Jr. · December 31, 2018

It reminds me of those consoles that Soulja Boy was putting out, the icons for the different consoles even look similar. I wonder if it's from the same company?

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LGR · December 31, 2018

Same. I bet it could be from the same base supplier in China. Heck, Mat could just add a reference into the video and retitle it something like "Hey Soulja Boy, I'm Not Impressed" and it'd make sense :P

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LGR · December 31, 2018

I'll add my voice to the chorus of folks saying "release it!" Can't say I agree with folks saying it doesn't fit in with other Techmoan stuff, it felt on-brand to me and I'm glad you decided to post it on Patreon at least. The device and topic itself may be nothing special on its own merits, but it's still an enjoyable video on a topic that's pretty darned popular at the moment. I mean, just look at the endless YouTube videos on the aftermath of the PlayStation Classic and Soulja Boy console debacles. ROM-filled emulation stations are quite "in" as a topic at the moment. And personally I was quite surprised to see the games loaded onto a MicroSD card like this one, none of the ones I've come across have such a setup.

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LGR · December 31, 2018

Oh and I think the new mic setup is sounding loud and crispy -- good stuff

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The 8-Bit Guy · December 31, 2018

Other than your voice sounding hoarse, I thought the video was good enough to release on your channel. I think you covered your bases pretty well. But I must admit it doesn't fit well with your usual content. It's more like something I'd have on my channel.

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Yelahneb Unicornucopiax · December 31, 2018

Thank you for this!

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Justin Sevakis · December 31, 2018

I get why you aren't posting this -- there's likely no point in an exhaustive review of a junky unbranded Chinese bootleg toy when there are so many out there and their availability is so spotty. However, I do wish more people would call out Amazon and their tacit approval of piracy. I had to email their PR department for an article about pirate anime DVDs once and actually write it before they took them down.

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Gareth R · December 31, 2018

You’re quite reasonable about it so I’d say yes. You could go the whole hog and throw Article 13 in too.

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Piotr Michniewski · December 31, 2018

What I find most ironic about Nintendo suing ROM sites is that they themselves use pirated ROMs for their Nintendo Classic Mini

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Jerryvr · December 31, 2018

Yes there is.. get a real console, do an HDMI upgrade and you can play it on the original hardware on a modern TV :)

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Peter Laws · December 31, 2018

I can tell you aren't feeling well, but your voice isn't terribly far from your usual voice. No zip, certainly, but hey, you're not feeling well. As someone else said, you're just expressing surprise that you can get what in Nintendo's mind is stolen property via Amazon Prime. I'm a little surprised, too (not that I care in any way about video games). Grey market stuff like that is usually eBay's turf! Up to you, of course, if you release it, but I don't think you'd anger anyone ... other than the sellers. :-)

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Jeremy Mankin · December 31, 2018

Is there a decent one of these that has Atari games? I had a proper Atari as a kid and I'd like to play Missile Command and PacMan again, but not sure if the Atari Flashback is any good.

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Peter Rogers · December 31, 2018

I'm happy you did this video. I always wondered the same thing regarding 3rd party ROMs. I know they violate copyright, but they are so ubiquitous I'd thought the copyright holders had just given up and abdicated their rights. I'm actually happy to see Nintendo suing. I'm not a fan of stealing digital content. That's how I make my living (software companies), and it's both immoral and stealing real money from me and everyone else.

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Tracy Grund · December 31, 2018

I enjoyed it. These Chinese pirate consoles are weird and fascinating to me and its fun to see the varying quality of these types of systems. Put it out there.

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Kevin Frenzel · December 31, 2018

I like it, put it out....

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Mark A · December 31, 2018

I liked the rambling rant at the end.

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Balázs Keresztury · December 31, 2018

I don't think there's any problem with this video. The voiceover during the outro is still weird though

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Lord Brannigan-7 · December 31, 2018

The whole no-Mario thing was a bit odd, perhaps the Chinese government get especially riled by him so companies who don't want to be shut down steer clear! Thanks for reviewing this - I might have been tempted, but it does indeed look a bit bobbins so you are just doing your duty by telling us all!

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RBMH · December 31, 2018

Why not just put it out? It's fine and it is helpful, as you're raising a concern and possibly protecting a few consumers out there. I probably would have been duped. It's important and not covered. I wouldn't worry, the trolls are hungry as usual, and you're covering something of interest, maybe just put it out to create a topic or get answers as to how and why. Fun little bit of detective work.

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Chris Woodward · December 31, 2018

Hi Mat, I'd put it out, its not as if you are the pirate here! I bought a similar one in a sale while visiting the fiances parents other Christmas (alas no big name games in it - but what games are in it (200) are terrible - I'm intending to use the case for a RaspberryPI based one and the screen inside if I can interface it...

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Andrei Androsoff · December 31, 2018

I liked it and you were very gentle, yet clear in your explanation of the facts. It doesn't come across like you have it out for these IP pirates, rather that you came across it and were puzzled and concerned. I also didn't find your voice noticeably nasal or stuffed up from your cold. The thing I take the biggest issue with is regarding the edit: when you start the music while still wrapping up your voiceover it sounds somewhat like you've overrun a self-imposed time limit and you're frankly sick of yourself droning on. I'd rather the music started after the review proper is done. So I vote that you fix that and publish it. Happy New Year!

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Kadah · December 31, 2018

This is good Patreon only video, bit too messy for public. YT is rather heavy on the bootleg consoles this mouth with the whole Solja Boy thing. One thing the video should have if it was going public, Amazon isn't the one listing or selling these, it's 3rd party sellers. Anyone can sell stuff on Amazon and get stuff shipping with Prime.

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Techmoan · December 31, 2018

The issue was that these are fulfilled by Amazon - therefore being stored inside their fulfilment centres. They aren't making them - but they have them in boxes inside their warehouses ready for next day delivery.

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Nuts 'n' Proud · December 31, 2018

I still have my working real ZX Spectrum. I did record some games from tape onto the PC. I cleaned the sound up in Audacity so they would 'load' again.

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Nuts 'n' Proud · December 31, 2018

Thanks for the video Mat. I enjoyed it. I think it was just right. Would you consider, if you are unsure on a video, to let some Patreons be your preview guinnea pigs?

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Techmoan · December 31, 2018

That's really what I'm doing here. I wanted to see a few more opinions on this one than my own - just to see how it plays to others.

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John Duncan · December 31, 2018

The question of roms has been a issue for quite a while. The retro-gaming community tries to keep these older systems alive by preserving the roms and building devices to play them on. I'm partial to the Atari systems. This video is fine and could be another sleeper, like the calculator game video. Believe me, Amazon sells quite a bit of stuff that they shouldn't. Even supplies for devices which require a doctor's prescription. Retro is hot now and they are not likely to get in the way of the cashflow unless forced to. Very nice video (of course I like that sort of thing).

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Demolished Man · December 31, 2018

Publish and be damned

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DOSGamerMan · December 31, 2018

Thanks, was interesting.

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Bill Basch · December 31, 2018

That video is fine, and no one has wound up a company more than Louis Rossmann youtube channel has wound up Apple, and he just keeps getting wealthier and more successful and more popular. To the point now that Apple is scared to death to sue him, because he would mention it on reddit, which in turn hurts Apple's sales, as it would fuel the viral spread of Goliath going after David, not to mention further publicizing Apple's quality control and design flaws and their disdain for right to repair. The so-called "Streisand effect" Apple has decided to take a blind eye to Louis airing their dirty laundry, so as not to turn off their customers. By the way, his channel and yours have about equal number of subscribers. But they ended up making Louis a multimillionaire by age 28. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVAmnV65_zw" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVAmnV65_zw</a>

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Robert Landrum · December 31, 2018

Yeah, I can understand your concerns. But I would go ahead and publish it anyways. Besides, it’ll be a Public Service Announcement warning folks about some of the stuff they’d be getting with these games. The people needs to know - as do Nintendo and Sega, among others.

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Thomas Lövgren · December 31, 2018

I liked it. You are correct, polite and informative. You are not rude to either Amazon or Nintendo. Amazon is doing something completely wrong. Again. I’m glad you edited down to this length. Double time would have been too long for this subject. I enjoyed watching it.

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Raymond Okoński · December 31, 2018

Reminds me of someone taping Top of the Pops to cassette then selling it retail on a market stall. As you noted you get what you pay for - and hopefully the tights holders will be stirred by this to have them taken down.

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Holger P Kleinert · December 31, 2018

Yeah I can see what you mean there. "Sleeping dogs" and stuff... I like that video, especially the short teardown part of it.