The French Lieutenant's Win
This was not an episode that were happy to record, in the sense that—gallows humour aside—this sucks! It's bad. But, for this immediate post-mortem bonus episode, Riley, Milo, and November discuss the US election... as well as the Labour party's cosying up to Trump, the future trends you can predict in British politics, and the fact that the UK now has at least four Pod Save America equivalents.
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Comments (63)
Why did this election happen this way? I think most of your analysis is correct, especially among the people who actually voted and the couple of times you mention the like vote share. And also: - extremely low voter turnout - voter suppression. Not the conspiratorial shit that is all over the place, but the run of the mill shit that has been being reported on as a deliberately strategy with a specially fervent tenor for 4 years (& longer in a less direct way); shit like signature matching and purges to voter rolls. And you’re also right about the solutions being to move to the left and the fact that the democrats desperately need a good candidate, but they kind of can’t structurally make one. There is no way that such a candidate can survive to get prominence without taking hits that make them unelectable to this country, which is as mean and vicious as this election result would imply for massive swaths. (Which is also the result of a republican strategy which has been bearing a lot of fruit lately and involves several different directions, like destroying the news ecosystem and disrupting education as much as possible while creating their own parallel institutions to do the same work and spread propaganda. Add the hyper capitalist consolation of the internet into social media platforms whose design shoehorns people into this set of behaviors, which in turn took the kill shot at legacy media (all of whom were already cannot abide any level of progressivism). https://open.substack.com/pub/taylorlorenz/p/the-majority-of-news-influencers
we got RFK jr in charge of HHS, so get ready for Pandemic 2: Mpox Boogaloo
I came back from today's episode for context on the gay finance acronyms
There’s a bunch of stuff named after a Dr. Gay Hitler in Pickaway County, OH
The people yelling at Devon to vote blue no matter who on X The Everything App are..........still kinda funny ngl
You don't need to feel personally responsible for this. It's hard, but focus on what you can do in your community
I found out Trump won watching BBC coverage in the Edinburgh Airport Hampton Hilton. Nothing so surreal as watching the sign language interpreter with a poppy on his lapel translate drinking a brew dog IPA in an empty hotel at 1:30 in the afternoon.
The Bariopticon
Perhaps it's hairsplitting, but saying "xyz lead to people voting for trump" doesn't really hit for me when Trump got less votes in 2024 than 2020.
Truly, it's a story about dems losing the ability to hold their nose and vote moreso than Trump triumph
Why would you care about the ukraine? Their nazis took over in 2014, provoked this conflict, and I hope they all die
so funny to genuinely have this opinion lol like just sweeping aside all basic international law and antiwar anticolonial instinct and just going "no actually Iraq and Afghanistan had it coming"
booooring
idk that this means anything and a propos de rien but the late teen/v early 20s white male cashier at my local quik trip just clocked that i was listening to the pod and said "oh trashfuture they're great" and anyways it warmed my heart
We might be ok
BTW in Spain, Sánchez and the PSOE are ersatz Blairites who were the second most popular party in last year's elections. The proposed right/far right coalition was just short, so instead Sánchez cobbled together a rickety coalition with the far left (who are riven with infighting) and all the various nationalist groupings, including the hated Catalán independentistas, insodoing mortgaging the PSOEs future and sacrificing his poll rating. Barring weird shit, the government seems likely to collapse prematurely and a PP/Vox coalition will get in.
I heard the quote: "Harris is not a 360 girl, she is a 224". My first connection was: 224F, a good temperature to smoke food. Think me going more and more offline is a healthy thing
Please make a Kissing Penises of Men Gay shirt with the KPMG logo
Probably can't get away with this for a variety of reasons but I can probably design something as a graphic when I have the time lol
The end of Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit
During the Iron Joe interregnum I made it a habit to tell my liberal friends that they sounded like my Marcyite friends when they'd say something to the effect of, "Don't these fucking idiots know the economy is great?"
Well I hope y'all are happy -- you've convinced me to stop for burgers instead of cooking at home
can’t wait until they turn on the nuclear powered AI Deportation Machine in Partnership with Palantir that they just like fed all our data into
I've been listening to the Left Wing Andrew Tate (i.e. Chapo Trap House) for about 8 years now and the one thing that's becoming really embarassing these days is how EVERY ONE OF THEIR POLITICAL PROJECT fails. If you listen to any left-wing podcast or follow any liberal project all you got was ruthlessly bullied by the entity you were trying to do entryism into; failed in your standalone elections, the entity you were trying to entry also failed, just a constant string of Ls with a few incredibly bitter pyrric Ws that just make you sick and turn to ash in your mouth. At some point I can almost understand why some aughts kid would turn into a nazi just to save themselves the embarassement of constantly being told to fuck off and then FUCKING LOSE, again and again
I think the last time we felt any happiness in here is when Corbyn won the Labour leadership and when the Squad first got elected, which is like about a trillion years ago
I just can't believe we have to do this again
rip me kissing men's penises (gay) died me
Same here while editing. I recently embarrassed myself in public because I was listening back to check sound quality while walking home and I heard Hussein say "Rachel Reeves recently dyed her hair ginger, which indicates at least a passing interest in Wahhabism." Do you know how to make Swiss people think you're fully insane? Try losing your mind laughing out of nowhere while walking down the street
November puts the gal in gallows humor
Happy Fuck November Kelly Week to all who don't celibate.
Them Iowegian witches'll chuck a hex on ya toot sweet
Unfortunately not the first hex code associated with failure https://knowyourmeme.com/news/elizabeth-warren-staffers-get-what-look-like-holocaust-tattoos
They Hillary'd themselves. They Hillary'd themselves AGAIN.
Just a small note re: Spain. The Valencian community is governed by the right wing, led by Carlos Mazón, and he refused to activate the emergency level 3 for the DANA, which was necessary for the central government to intervene in the management of the crisis. So it’s a little unfair to blame Sánchez for the deaths there, it’s another right wing failing
and i voted so hard
Can we talk about how funny it would be if Trump just completely dumped Elon from day one and never let him have any power? Like 'you served your purpose, little bald boy. Bye.'
inshallah
Nova's "we can't win over young white men from the patriarchy without addressing another material concern" is crucially on point. The thing about the patriarchy is it creates a world that's shit but gives some men a slightly-less-shit deal. The end of patriarchy therefore doesn't seem like "everyone will benefit" to those men. It seems like "I will lose out". Because in the short term that's the correct analysis.
I'm digging a hole while listening to this.
I'm inclined to believe that it's true, but I'd like to know where I can find the "Discretionary spending at an all time low" data. I don't know where to find a dataset where I can exclude the top 5% and it's warping effects from having such a wild gap in wealth.
US elections are obnoxiously simple: conservatives WILL show up and vote red down the ticket regardless of candidate, policies, etc. People will only show up to vote for Dems if they like the candidate. Being 4 years out from Trump's last days in office were enough for folks to start forgetting about what he did so they don't care enough to vote against him again. That's how we end up with Trump's popular vote total basically never changing with people massively staying home to not vote for Kamala. I personally have accepted that I'm stuck with nothing or get worse, so I vote for nothing, but I get why other people don't.
nothing works for me because my family isn't getting bombed overseas by the US and I don't want things to get worse here the place where I live, but I respect if that isn't the case for someone else. Also how hard would it have been for Harris to just say weapons embargo until Israel conducts it's operations in accord with international law or some shit? Sure it's maybe not the moral stance but it gets something done, heads off escalation with Iran and it plays into the law and order thing the Democrats keep trying to do.
There's a somewhat easier metric for getting a rough idea of people's sharing of the GDP. Yes, overall it would require a bunch of research but for a "shit I need to get an idea in 10 seconds" you can take GDP per capita less heatlchare per capita divided by the GINI index for the country. (Ideally you'd also include GDP spent on all necessities here and then calculate gini coefficient after expenditures but healthcare is giant and we have 10 seconds). So we're looking at (for USA and numbers I pulled from google machine, not perfect because I have to focus on household not individual, but GDP is per capita) (81695.19 - 14133.27) / 0.49 = $137,881.47 Lets take the UK for comparison (48866.60 - 5326.46) / .35 = $124,400.40 Sweden: (56,305.25 - 6193.58) / .33 = $151,853.55 Even if you knock out expenditures and just take GPD per capita divided by gini index USA: $166,724.88 UK: $139,618.86 Sweden: $170,621.97 China: $26,838.43 Interpretation of this is difficult but you can see some obvious things like turns out Sweden's mean dickhead is better off than the USA and UK's mean dickhead and, well, the UK is just shit, but not as shit as China.
“Vote with your mouth” will be rattling in my head for a bit
Riding to the camps in a Robovan, remembering how good Milo’s Andrew Tate impression was
I wasn't here in 2019, so I suppose one upside is now I get my post-election-horror Trashfuture episode contemporaneously
3 million less people voted for Trump this election than last... Just so happens 14 million less people voted for Kamala this time as opposed to the last election hmmm any lessons to be learned. Probably not
The lesson is we didn't court the moderate republican votes hard enough! Better swing to the right more!
If anyone from the pod reads these comments: I would love to send this episode around to friends and family to evangelize for TF. Would you consider unlocking?
do you know about downloading files
I've been having similar repeated realizations to Nova. My most recent one was, fuck, Ohio has to have a special election to replace JD Vance as our senator
Also my sheriff is Bruce Zuchowski if you want to look up the meme.
In a red wedding solution you'd also need to take out enough of the Republican House members that the Democrats can control the Speakership. In Minecraft.
I'd gotten used to not waking up every morning and checking to see if the world had ended. Time to do it all again. Too many loved ones living in the States that are now in danger for me to be optimistic right now.
Hamburger vs pay check is so on point
Problem is the paycheck doesn't actually matter. People get a raise, think Yay I deserve more stuff now! But they can't actually buy more stuff
this mf really just said "too too bullet"
There is no electoral hope for the left. At the very least not in the US. Embrace a revolutionary strategy, not SocDem reformism
if nobody is willing to vote for reforms (I don't think that's true but it seems like what you're implying) why on earth would they roll the dice on the idea of a socialist revolution?
Please step away from the Lathe of Heaven. And leave that Monkey Paw on the shelve.
Please keep doing Mesoamerican bits
Mesoamerica bits are the best
finally an emergency podcast, i was threatened with hundreds of these and in their absence i've been going insane alone
