The Human Ouija Boards of the Telepathy Tapes (Premium E340)
The hit podcast The Telepathy Tapes claims to reveal a hidden world where nonverbal autistic people communicate telepathically, visit one another on an astral gathering place called “The Hill,” access cosmic knowledge, and perhaps even commune with psychic animals. But behind the paranormal framing is a much older and more troubling story: facilitated communication, the discredited practice that can turn vulnerable people into human Ouija boards.
In this episode, Jack looks at the ideomotor effect, Clever Hans, “letter boarding,” the career of Diane Hennacy Powell, Ky Dickens’ rise as the voice of The Telepathy Tapes, and how New Age ideas about telepathy, dark matter, the Akashic Records, savants, parrots, dogs, and morphic fields have attached themselves to the desperate desire to give non-speaking people a voice.
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This is so painfully reminiscent of the people in 70s and 80s who became convinced that they could teach gorilla to communicate in sign language. I suspect Jack is aware of that period and chose not to talk about it. Honestly that was the right call to make.
My FIL just sent me a link to the telepathy tapes podcast and I wish I could send this episode to him as a reply
Its worth pointing out that most of these techniques have been tested in the following way: The facilitator and the communicator are both shown an image seperately. Sometimes the images are the same, sometimes different. Then the communicator is asked to describe what they have seen with the facilitators aid. As far as I know, none of these tests have come backb positive, they have never demonstrated that the communicator is consistently capable of delivering messages based on information that the facilitator doesn't have
Thank you for sharing this Jack💜 I've spent years of my life working with nonverbal and limited verbal people in long-term care. I feel very strongly that we *should* spend more time, attention, and resources on "listening" to them. Of course in reality what that looks like is more resources, higher staffing in care facilities, and more one on one care. As well as education about non verbal communication and seeing non verbal people as human (unfortunately not the norm 😕 particularly when staffing is low) This made me so angry. It's extractive, dehumanizing, and isolating. Why does the "communication" we are willing to listen to have to be bullshit that we are interested in or want to hear?
I saw Diana Hennacy at the 2026 Conscious Life Expo. She gave a presentation with a "non-verbal" child. I saw them later in the elevator. The child could speak just fine.
I love how they inadvertently recreated the plot of “It’s always sunny in Philadelphia” episode “The gang desperately tries to win the award”! 🙂🙂
Jake has definitely told that story before, haha
If autism gave you special brain powers, me and most of the friends I play Warhammer with would be hurtling through life like Psycho Mantis on cocaine
Calling facilitated communication one step removed from ventriloquism is the most fucked up thing Travis has said on the pod
Jake please please please don’t ever change! I love you! 🤣🤣🤣
Regarding Jake’s claim about how Iraqi bomb “detectors” that “actually worked,” this week BtB is covering how those same devices got hundreds of people killed. It makes me wonder if a Cool Zone person listened to Spectral Voyager and was irritated by the drivel spouted by the so-called “quantum scientist.” (Could just be someone on Reddit making a rec too, I guess.)
When you know about morphogenic fields , not because you're an abusive weirdo but a normal Pratchett enthusiast
Straight up, my highschool anatomy teacher played ‘What the Bleep do We Know’ for us as a class because she thought it was super insightful/important for us all to see. Watched it with my Dad too but he was kinda pissed I’d seen it at school.
For an interesting look at the idea of the morphogenetic field I suggest playing the Nonary Games on PC. The story is good, and very much sci-fi, but it did delve really deep into what the theory believes. Anyway, fuck these telepathy fuckers. There are autistic children in my family, none of them are non-verbal, but I can’t imagine letting someone take advantage of them like this.
Funnily enough this week's Behind The Bastards also talked about the idiomotor effect and Clever Hans.
Also contradicted Jake's claim that the bomb detecting device worked for Iraq when people just believed in it. Per BtB it got hundreds of civilians killed
I just think that anyone who refers to themselves or another person as being “the Jane Goodall of autistic people” should be set on fire.
Dianne Hennacy Powell also did an interview with YT channel "Buddha at the gas pump" where you can hear her galaxy brained casually racist and ableist opinions. My mom recommended the video to me and she thought it was fascinating. i am still pissed that people are being taken in by this bull shit . thanks for covering it ! https://youtu.be/qECSibSj3dU?si=NDheABHolYqkxIoQ
If vaccines cause autism and autism is a superpower, then do vaccines give people superpowers?
One for be directors of What the Bleep to We Know? was a prominent member of NXIVM and almost solely responsible for all of their propaganda.
The braces segway 10/10
parts of this episode reminded me of the horror film Obsession
I can't remember which true crime podcast I originally heard about this nightmare from, but I had gotten it out of my brain.... Also, telepathy would have been super fucking useful last week when my nv neighbor eloped. Kiddo made his way to the corner store with $3 from the tooth fairy to buy drinks for himself and his family. This kiddo was absolutely able to communicate with the cops that found him that he would not get in their car and would let them follow him home. And yes, Jack, I love your idea for RFK jrs falcons.
56:00 she "invented" autistic Valhalla? Ghhdvjtd bmkfdxbjj 🤦🤦
There was a fascinating/disturbing documentary produced by Louis Theroux about facilitated communication on Netflix called Tell Them You Love Me. Recommenced watching if you want explore this issue further. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_Them_You_Love_Me
I’m with Jake on the Ouija situation
Jack Jack we love Jack!
So vaccines give you autism AND superpowers?
Oh yeah, I learned that during Covid: https://youtube.com/shorts/uiwjAj0zfKQ?is=gzu5oyGc8VSFQhNi
I know someone who told me this documentary was so amazing they cried and I had to watch it. I didn’t based on this persons media literacy… also jake I hated my braces so much I got to where I could take every thing apart and out except for the brackets and they were confused at why it wasn’t working that effectively
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So you definitely don’t have to pay $10k to give a TEDx talk — I gave one in 2016 about sexual health and it was a well-run event curated by a bunch of college students. But TEDx organizers definitely varied in credibility, and there are some insanely bad and ignorant talks out there. I also worked at TED for five years on the social media team and a good chunk of my job was doing damage control when a particularly bad TEDx talk caught steam online. We even had our own QAnon PR crisis when TED was accused of normalizing CSA because a German researcher did a TEDx talk about treating pedophilia that did not translate well to English. TEDx is a great lesson in destroying your brand by attempting to open source your platform with little oversight. I will never get back the sanity I lost in that job.
Thanks that’s useful context. 👍
“Original Story Detected” really got me.
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That must've been some good ketamime mate?
Well There’s Your Problem has an amazing episode about dousing rods dressed up in high tech looking packages being sold to government agencies; it’s truly bizarre.
And the Iraqis definitely did not use them successfully, they occassionally found a bomb, but missed bombs over and over and over.
These people are sick and it made me mad but it was hard to hold onto that anger when the bit with Jake telling Julian to stop him if he repeats a story is so fucking funny
I’d give Julian a “webby” ;-)
Okay, Jack has proven to be an enduring and wonderful addition to the crew. Honestly, Jack may be the seasoning that holds together the disparate flavors of the other hosts. So... Can we PLEASE get Jack some audio gear that is 2026 Pro Podcaster quality? Jack deserves it!
I'm so thrilled every time Jack shows up.
A little bit of your timeline is off but did you know Ky Dickens formed a non-profit that is pushing grant money to families to learn spelling? https://apps.apple.com/jp/app/ttt-spelling-board/id6773523125?l=en-US&platform=watch And an impact tour to do with the documentary: https://www.tttaustralia.com/ And did you know that Pastor Joe is Joe Infranco, former VP of the Alliance Defending Freedom who is responsible for trying to ban gay marriage and overturn Roe among other theocratic agendas? And Arthur Golden was disbarred for misappropriating his clients funds and then moved to Israel where he and his son are part of an ultra-orthodox community. His son "spells" prophetic messages that are embraced by rabbis and he has said a convicted rapist is the Messiah. Diane Powell and Julia Mossbridge, her 2 lynchpin scientists, are caught up in ufology, deep tech, AI, and national security circles. Mossbridge is fundraising to push spelling as civil rights issue, has come up with her own spelling method that embraces the spiritual side, wants to use tDCS on nonspeakers, and build a $10M center: https://donorbox.org/healing-hearts-mending-minds She also has a company that is pushing retro-causal AI. She has a keen interested in pre-crime becoming a valid part of national security and intelligence work and she co-hosts a podcast with 30 year CIA veteran Carmen Medina. They are trying to tie the evidence for telepathy to a tragic case of a non-verbal but not autistic 12 yo who eloped and drown in New Orleans. The telepathy tests for the film did not prove anything and they know this but will use emotional narratives to convince. The Epstein connections are very real. A lot of billionaires are backing this project and financing the film.
Ughhhh. So, even worse and more far reaching. Whyyyyyy. And so many well meaning people fall for this stuff.
This is the most I've ever yelled, "Jail!" during an episode
I’ve also had so many people tell me to listen to the telepathy tapes. Nice timing. Great ep!
thank god no one has recommended this shit to me i would have to like fake my death to get away from them
First Ep I couldn't finish since the Hell House one. Well done.
I was just thinking abt the telepathy tapes this morning I didn’t realize they put out an episode about it. One of my cousins was really into it as the first season was coming out and convinced me to listen to the first episode but I felt kind of weird about it
I’m so glad to hear people finally talking about how fucked up the telepathy tapes are
Same. Someone recommended this to me and I was fucking livid listening to it. Context: I worked with people with severe autism for several years.
Idea: instead of conscripting Julian to check for “repeats”, Jake could learn to stop telling inane anecdotes that grind the episode to a halt and let the current host with interesting things to say speak.
of course Duncan Trussel is on this shit
New age folk always give me the heebie geebies.
Whoa, Travis!! That felt a little on the nose, there. 😬
wait wait ok nonverbal = psychic for both people and animals but then they throw in african grey parrots? famously the most verbal of all nonhuman animals? what are we doing here man
Liv Agar! Jk, mostly. Just starting the episode and it sounds quite troubling. Awesome!
IDK about you guys, but I learned that the meek shall inherit the earth from Rush.
I also learned that all the world’s a stage and we are merely players from them.
So you can get to the hill by popping amyil?
Neo Sapians! Exo Squad reference detected.
Did anyone else get disappointed when the former host and producer of The Oppurtunist Podcast talked about FC in a non skeptical way? This too niche of a reference?
My grandmother used to call me “clever Hans!” whenever I would opine about some seven year old nonsense that I thought was brilliant. Only years later did I realize she was absolutely mocking me.
Your Grandma is based. 🤣
Being someone who dog-sits regularly for other people, they really don't have a clue when their owners are coming home, they instead react to any noise and movement within proximity AS IF it's their owners all the damn time... occasionally with enough confidence they even fool me into thinking "oh back early today?" Only to find out no, it's another false alarm the bloody idiots must've misinterpreted from the neighbour going out or putting their rubbish out again lol - - - (An aside, love the rare Travis sass moments, even though it means you know you gone done fucked up for sure by evoking them heh)
We're talking about nonverbal kids suddenly being able to "communicate" and you're telling me they want to talk about philosophy and not Pokemon or trains or dinosaurs or Star Wars?
I don’t need pompous Julian leading the episodes….They are what they hate
*You* are not the sole audience for this show. Talk about pompous, YOU are what YOU hate apparently.
Ughhh Jesus can’t Julian find enough success to finally leave qaa? No, of course they can’t
Real ones love Julian on episodes. Leave your negativity at the door, bro.
It's worth noting lots of nonverbal people could be capable of communicating for themselves without a facilitator if they had an AAC device suited to their needs while FC traps and harms them for all the reasons mentioned in this episode. Sad stuff
Wtf the neurotypicals are leaking our astral plane hangout spot can they not
The braces wire story was NOT an original story…😆 I’m sure someone less lazy than me can pinpoint the exact episode.
“Original story detected” lmfao
It keeps happening, I cancel in an attempt to tighten up our limited family budget, and then an episode like this pops up and immediately draws me back in.
that sounds stressful. may I buy you a membership?
I hate this so much. As a mother of an autistic child and a person who works with kids with autism professionally, I HATE these GD grifters. This episode is going to be hard to listen to but I’m snap glad that it’s getting coverage.
I was “trained” in fc and it never made any sense to me. Most of my clients were basically nonverbal, but they were able to communicate their needs in a variety of ways that didn’t require the nebulousness of holding their hand to spell out things on a board
"The spirts are telling me youre the Jane Goodal of autistics" and "-at the scientific advisory board-" is a fucking wild combination of sentences. As someone with with autism this episode filled me with rage. To channel Julian for a moment: "I think we need to get all of these people in one location away from everyone else, take a tactical nuke and- wait no its okay. They wont be in the vaporization zone. See its fine. Not a legally actionable sentence! Dont look at me like that!"
yeah these translators or whatever they're called need to be put through the wood chipper
Believe it or not, straight to jail
This doesn’t prove that Jake isn’t peak evolution.
The telepathy tapes sounds like someone read "Gone" and took it a little too literally
I can't wait for The Famine. We're due.
4:06 caused me to stop the Pod because I was laughing so hard
As an Autistic who also supports non-speaking Autistics this is so fucking upsetting... Why can't people just be valued and loved for who they fucking are?!
The first time I learned about The Telepathy Tapes I was horrified. I've since been diagnosed and it's made it more personal as I've met so many more autistic people with higher support needs. They deserve so much better than this.
The tooth story 😆 I actually was also born without one of my regular adult molars, and the baby tooth was being held in place by the other two teeth, i had that thing for like 30 someodd years before i got the damn thing removed lol.. and funny enough it was on my bottom jaw where I was also missing my wisdom teeth. Had the upper ones and had to get then removed
Welp, thanks for the early laugh, that was horrifying
I was born with an extra set of wisdom teeth
That puts you one rung below most of us on the evolutionary ladder—and two below Jake.
I suddenly felt nauseous, took a gravol, then realized it was these disgusting people that were making me sick.
