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July 10, 2025

Science In Transition Episode 1: Birth of The Clinic | from Cursed Media

This is the very first episode of the six-part podcast series network Science In Transition by Liv Agar and Spencer Barrows, from our new podcast series network Cursed Media. 

Science in Transition is an investigation into the intellectual origins of the contemporary right wing backlash against transgender acceptance. Through six deeply-researched episodes, hosts Liv Agar and Spencer Barrows unearth a bizarre coalition of well-meaning clinicians, aristocratic sexologists, militant feminists, right-wing culture warriors, headline-chasing journalists, and conservative politicians.

Listen to the first two episodes of Science In Transition and the rest of the six episodes as they are released weekly by subscribing through this link.

www.cursedmedia.net/

Subscribers to Cursed Media get access to three new podcast series per year, plus every episode of QAA’s existing mini-series (properly organized!)

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Science In Transition Episode 1: Birth of the Clinic

As various fields in the medical sciences advance during the interwar period, doctors confront a problem: the treatment of adults who desire to change their sex. While many clinicians propose psychotherapy, a few dotted across the Western world have a different idea: use newly synthesized hormones and surgical procedures to treat them. Liv and Spencer dig into the early decades of the Western gender clinic, its treatment of gender-variant and intersex children, and the crusaders who sought to morally mandate the transsexual out of existence.

A full list of sources for the entire series will be available soon; for further reading, please consult:

Florence Ashley, ““Richard Green wasn’t an ally to trans communities: a controversial legacy” ⁠https://medium.com/@florence.ashley/richard-green-wasnt-an-ally-to-trans-communities-a-controversial-legacy-e6d9a485f66e⁠ 

Jules Gill-Peterson, Histories of the Transgender Child

Julia Serano, Whipping Girl

Joanne Meyerowitz, How Sex Changed: A History Of Transsexuality In The United States 

Karl Bryant, “Making Gender Identity Disorder of Childhood: Historical Lessons for 

Contemporary Debates”

Lisa Downing, Iain Morland, and Nikki Sullivan, Fuckology: Critical Essays on John Money's Diagnostic Concepts

Melanie Fritz and Nat Mulkey, “The rise and fall of gender identity clinics in the 1960s and 1970s” ⁠https://archive.is/7cNQr⁠ 

Samantha Riedel, “Gen(d)erations: How Sandy Stone “Struck Back” Against Transmisogyny” ⁠https://www.them.us/story/genderations-sandy-stone⁠ 

Stacey D. Jackson-Roberts, “Pushed to the edge: the treatment of transsexuals through time:

a behavioral discourse analysis of the diagnostic and treatment protocols for transsexuals and the implications for contemporary social work practice” ⁠https://scholarworks.smith.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2037&context=theses⁠ 

Comments (49)

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Bennett Burkholder · August 24, 2025

After listen to the entire new min series, I can see why QAA chose to separate them selves from the new project. Science in Transition is an opinion piece masquerading as a “Science” piece. I hope the next two mini series are better than this. I am already considering asking for my money back since there was no scientific evidence provided in support of transition. I was really looking forward to this series but unfortunately very disappointed. Do better guys.

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Lui · September 26, 2025

I only listened to this episode and it sounded like I was being read to at a fast rate. I don’t mind Liv but there is a cult like following of theirs (see all the Liv Agar comments everywhere) and I prefer the original crew and a view from a variety of guests.

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Louise Duke · August 5, 2025

A Playlist for the new series would be nice

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CleO · July 19, 2025

Every major city is about to have an all trans girl screamo band named “John Money” after this drops

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cosmonster · July 17, 2025

Any plans to add more payment methods? I‘m really interested in the series but I don’t have a credit card.

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Samantha Falcon · July 16, 2025

Just signed up for Cursed Media, $25/year is a STEAL. Really excited to see what kind of doors this opens not just for the QAA folks we're familiar with, but strengthening the kind of research, discussion, and storytelling QAA has come to represent.

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Lui · September 26, 2025

Is this an ad

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MrShellShock · July 16, 2025

I have been a huge fan for a while and gladly paid the monthly patreon subscription for the bonus episodes and limited series. This feels kind of weird though. So are you uncoupling the limited series from the main feed? Are you merely trying to get around patreon and set up your own subscription system? Will there be an "all inclusive tier"? Or are you hoping on people simply double-subscribing? Maybe i missed something somewhere, but I guess what rubs me the wrong way the most is the lack of communication.

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Emma Barnard · July 16, 2025

Nope, sorry, I can't justify paying another subscription to access this series. This is also making me reconsider whether to continue paying the Patreon sub. Times are hard, guys, you need to consider what your audience can actually afford.

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Molly Northrup · July 15, 2025

Just wanted to say I’m so unbelievably excited for this series. I’m a gender studies major and when I heard Julia Serano’s name i started doing laps around my house like a dog. I love you

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Jon Adams · July 14, 2025

While i think I understand the desire and value to build an overarching brand that produces the varied media that y'all have been doing for many years now, I have a moderate level of unease about it, heightened by the coy references to pricing and content. Just lay it on the table and show what the price will be and what the value is. In writing.

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Samantha Falcon · July 16, 2025

It's US$24.99 for the year.

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Lui · July 13, 2025

Few more comments on the episode: 1. I could only make it so far into the pod after trying a few times. The main issue is that it feels like we are being read at, not read to. The pace is too fast, especially the first 15 minutes. 2. No banter to allow listeners to digest the content at this pace. 3. Music is meh the way it is implemented. 4. If you choose to have a person read text, avoid the annoying vocal fry girl.

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HonestEd · July 15, 2025

It reminds me of early liv episodes of QAA where she would essentially monologue

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Cat Mara · July 12, 2025

If I were in charge of funding at a university and some academic pitched something called “The Feminine Boy Project”, I’d be calling the campus cops to seize his hard drive

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sonja! · July 12, 2025

liv agar

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Lui · July 11, 2025

Around the 1240 mark, it is implied that Charles Darwin was alive in the 18th century. He was alive in the 19th century.

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buttface · July 11, 2025

'Seeking a Fren' was a miserable listen - hoping this is different

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fermata tutti · July 11, 2025

I listened on Apple Podcasts. Love! Btw a google search of "cursed media" did not show your website.

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norma1one · July 11, 2025

livagar

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Kimber · July 11, 2025

Liv Agar

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Mary Taylor · July 11, 2025

Love this so much!

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Nonesuch · July 11, 2025

I mostly remember Spencer from back when he hosted Those Old Fashioned Values, but that's not how he was introduced. Why don't you want people to remember you as the Family Guy guy, Spencer? Spencer?

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Mel Black · July 11, 2025

Uncertain if you all read the comments, but there’s so much dogging on you guys asking for very little for so much intricate and well done, researched, relevant, and INTERESTING and INFORMATIVE content. I hope supporting cast is a way to, unfortunately in capitalist terms, scale up, and helps to make more of these miniseries.

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Rakish Tilt 🎩 · July 10, 2025

Science: Liv in agar agar

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Rakish Tilt 🎩 · July 10, 2025

I love this history! I'm reading trans philosopher Talia Mae Bettcher and her work is revolutionizing my own worldview. Nice placement of Hedwig at the end of the episode!

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Samantha · July 10, 2025

Really like the series so far. Will be subscribing to the new thing. I understand why some are unhappy with the announcement of the new network, we all have subscriber fatigue, but I am happy to support QAA content. Your coverage on the conspiracy based far right still seems to be unique, and is uniquely high quality as well. Other left wing podcasts/podcast networks that I casually listen to, I will never support via subscription, largely due to the heavy amount of predatory ads they run while producing shows of hit or miss quality. Not to mention, your prices for the volume and quality of shows you produce are more than fair. Many podcasts not only run ads on their free content but charge much more for their (usually not as good) premium content than QAA, even when you include the price of the new network. Anyway, I love supporting your work as well as Knowledge Fight’s. (Western Kabuki is also a good one) Many creators don’t meet my standard for extra subscriptions, but you surpass them. This is a super long comment, but I have a little bit of personal experience with the suggestion that you’re charging too much for your art and how that can kill your self esteem. You all continue to make most other podcasts look bad, so I hope you are feeling confident about your new venture, because you should be.

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Niamh Bennett · July 10, 2025

Great episode, having all this information is one place is endlessly helpful. i think cursed media is a great idea that im happy to support. However Im afraid I don't really understand the sub model as it pertains to QAA and the patreon. Why not host QAA extra episodes on cursed media as well, if the goal is to transition out of a patreon model? I subbed here for the extra content (perverts) that is now part of cursed media

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lyn · July 10, 2025

liv agar

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Alex82 · July 10, 2025

So the original benefit of all mini series is going away from here? I think I'm just gonna pass on both tbh if that's the case.

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Craig Hartley · July 10, 2025

I’m right with you. It’s a shame but I feel my qaa journey is approaching an end

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Caleb · July 10, 2025

Really great content, but is it necessary to have so many music drops? Maybe it’s my ADHD but it seems to distract from the narrative. I had the same problem with “Seeking a Fren”. The ambient pieces that play under the narrative are nice, it’s just the pop songs that break things up are a little excessive

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Spores for Thought · July 10, 2025

I really liked it. So many songs in mainstream pop culture referencing trans people. I thought it was a good method of reminding listeners this is their culture. Sorry if not well expressed.

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Bobby Dubs · July 10, 2025

Apologies if this sounds cunty/entitled, but I am feeling a little conflicted about this new venture. On one hand, I have no issues with supporting the QAA gang to take their output to the next level. On the other, right now I feel like I would be paying $25 for 51 episodes I already paid for (including episode 1 of SiT you have posted here) and 1 I haven't. I guess the bottom line is I will be waiting until later in the year before I can commit to this new venture - when SiT has wrapped up and we know what the next miniseries is. Like others have said elsewhere, it would be nice if it was just another Patreon tier for $7 a month, just for consistency's sake, but I also appreciate the desire to launch something new and separate. Also: LIV AGAR

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HonestEd · July 10, 2025

Agreed, I don’t want to pay 25 usd on another subscription in the hopes that I like the content. I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just make another Patreon tier and let us keep it all in one place. Frankly I also want the ability to drop it if I’m not interested in the other miniseries. I’d be bummed out if I paid 25 usd only to find out 2 of the 3 series were something I’m just not interested in like spectral voyager or trickledown.

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Barry · July 10, 2025

Sell outs

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Last Years Man · July 10, 2025

As someone who understands very little about the queer experience, this topic is still fascinating. So essentially, we have gay men who identify as men but were punished for having "feminine traits," people who were conditioned to be one gender based on biology but have a desperate need to be the other, straight men who are aroused by wearing women's clothing, and even cis gender heterosexual men who were deemed too feminine and forced to undergo treatment? No wonder our world is a mess, as it seems that putting all of these things in one box is nightmarish. I'd love to hear more about how transgender men/queer women were discussed in these early years too, besides the feminist backlash. I know it seems obvious, but I can't help but wonder why does the social freakout always focuses on one half rather than the other. Also, the Bowie and Hedwig needle drops made my day.

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The Super Toe · July 10, 2025

Im kinda confused by the new model... QAA is not part of the Cursed Media sphere, but the existing side projects are? So if I buy the Cursed Media subscription I'm paying for those twice? Aptly named.

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Irina Krier · July 10, 2025

I would also like to understand this. What will be available through this Patreon?

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Kathy · July 10, 2025

So, just so I understand, is the patreon feed going away or are these new programs additional?

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Bobby Dubs · July 10, 2025

As it stands, the Patreon feed will remain. Going forward it will just be for regular episodes and the weekly bonus episodes. All existing mini-series (ManClan, Tickle Down, etc) will remain available in the archive, but the new mini-series (Science in Transition and everything that follows) will only be available via Cursed Media.

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Alex Anderson · July 10, 2025

Liv agar

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Queeriam · July 10, 2025

Hell yeah.

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MCL · July 10, 2025

This is a serious topic but Dr. Hamburger? Like Jesus Christ i can only think of Mayor McCheese doing all of this.

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Brendan Luster · July 10, 2025

don't just live, Liv Agar

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Brent · July 10, 2025

Research! Facts! Science!

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Drobertson · July 10, 2025

Liv Agar!

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rollinstoney · July 10, 2025

Spencer Barrows!!!!!! :D

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Queen Motoko · July 10, 2025

Liv Agar! :D