MAHA Mia! feat. Derek Beres (E326)
RFK Jr. is now running the Department of Health and Human Services. So we sat down with journalist and Conspirituality co-host Derek Beres to get an idea about how long it will take for Kennedy’s "Make America Healthy Again" (MAHA) agenda to revive the black plague.
We chat about why Beres argues that Kennedy's wellness-sounding platform masks an exclusionary health vision which amounts to “soft eugenics,” RFK Jr’s endorsement of the MMR vaccine and how this angered his followers, harmful narratives about autism which will probably be endorsed by the federal government, and how the MAHA Commission's AI-generated report doesn’t seriously address health problems facing children.
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Derek Beres on BlueSky
https://bsky.app/profile/derekberes.bsky.social
Conspirituality Podcast
https://www.conspirituality.net/
Re:frame substack
https://derekberes.substack.com/
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Editing by Corey Klotz. Theme by Nick Sena. Additional music by Pontus Berghe. Theme Vocals by THEY/LIVE (https://instagram.com/theyylivve / https://sptfy.com/QrDm). Cover Art by Pedro Correa: (https://pedrocorrea.com)
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SOURCES
Maga’s era of ‘soft eugenics’: let the weak get sick, help the clever breed
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/may/04/maga-soft-eugenics
Florida becomes second state to ban adding fluoride to drinking water
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/15/florida-fluoride-drinking-water
Health secretary RFK Jr. endorses the MMR vaccine — stoking fury among his supporters
RFK Jr. Misleads on Autism Prevalence, Causes
https://www.factcheck.org/2025/04/rfk-jr-misleads-on-autism-prevalence-causes/
Water fluoridation for the prevention of dental caries
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26092033/
Effectiveness of fluoride in preventing caries in adults
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17452559/
National COVID-19 trends, May 27
https://thesicktimes.org/2025/05/27/national-covid-19-trends-may-27/
The MAHA Report Cites Studies That Don’t Exist
https://www.notus.org/health-science/make-america-healthy-again-report-citation-errors
Comments (89)
This was a pretty good, standard episode, so I was surprised to see any controversy in the comments. wtf are so many commenters talking about the obesity epidemic; the guest mentioned it and broached it in the fairest way possible?? Yeah it’s part genetics and part living habits? Is this controversial? Why are people so sensitive about this. And unless there’s something else utterly unrelated to the interview, the guest cites shithead Ezra Klein but the actual point made was fair? Am I missing something here. Is this the onion bit of the worst person you know making a good point??
Ceru - it’s okay if you’re thin and obsessed with fat people but can you lighten up a bit?
RFK’s skin and its appearance is a complete choice on his part, I’ll say it. Looking like an overcooked piece of meat is absolutely optional
Sunscreen exists
Fat people also exist in other countries - am I missing something? Fatness isn’t a moral failing.
Even if we all ate the same things and did the same activities, we would all still look different from one another. Body diversity exists. Some people are “naturally fat” the same way some people are “naturally thin” and that’s okay
Are you missing the fact that 1) obesity isn’t just related to genetics but is part of lifestyle and eating habits, and 2) that obesity is a useful marker for harmful health conditions? Can we not find a healthy balance with loving ourselves so that a)obesity isn’t linked to our self worth, and b) a fit and healthy body (not necessarily slim/fat) is something to aspire to as part of self love??
After the Home Depot comment, I'm now imaging a totally DIY healthcare system where people go into a giant box store warehouse filled with pharmaceuticals, homeopathic remedies, x-ray machines, MRI centers, surgical tools, autoclaves, supplements, gemstones, blood testing equipment, microscopes, etc , and just go ham on themselves.
Echoing what other people have said about glyphosate being an herbicide not a fertilizer -- and it can be pretty toxic, but the concern is way more for the farm workers applying it than consumers
I’m loving Julian’s anti-Americanism this episode. I’m right there with you, fuck this stupid country I hope it collapses
The Home Depot part with Jake killed me. Love you guys great (very depressing but loved it) episode
Julian: "America is a genocidal state, a purge on all Americans". Also Julian: "I'm voluntarily moving to America!" Why doesn't he move to China since he loves deepthroating the authoritarian CCCP boot at every turn?
China is a an oppressive capitalist state too. I think there are few places if any untouched by the tentacle of capitalism.
this episode would have like 10× better if it was only Travis and Derek. I literally cringed just about every time Julian and Jake tried to make jokes.
It would have been nothing but liberal garbage then
This was a really interesting episode. While I’m #ActuallyAutistic, I’m not American, so I’m not directly impacted by RFK Jr’s MAHA agenda. However, I did want to raise a concern about Derek Beres’s use of the terms “high-functioning” and “low-functioning” when briefly discussing autism. These labels are widely recognised as harmful within the autistic community and disability justice spaces. Functioning labels oversimplify the complex and shifting nature of autistic experience. They reduce people to a binary that doesn’t reflect reality, and they often result in real harm: Those seen as “high-functioning” are frequently denied accommodations because they appear to be “coping.” Those labeled “low-functioning” are infantilised, excluded from decision-making, and too often dismissed as incapable. These terms aren’t neutral—they’re rooted in how comfortable or uncomfortable an autistic person makes non-autistic people feel. This centres neurotypical perspectives and undermines autistic autonomy and dignity. This framework feeds directly into the dehumanising rhetoric of the MAHA agenda, which seeks to pathologise, segregate, and “correct” neurodivergence rather than honour and support it. If we’re going to challenge that agenda, we also need to reject the language that sustains it. Let’s move toward strengths-based, person-centred approaches that recognise all autistic people as whole, complex individuals—deserving of respect, agency, and support on their own terms.
ever since Mangione I’ve been thinking a lot about Roosevelt’s attempted assassin Zangara who suffered excruciating chronic pain. healthcare and the access or lack thereof is a strong mover in American society
“Abundance” “both sides purity test [genocide]” “Israel” “the left”
Yeah fuck this guy
Wait did Derek just misspeak again? "Foxtails"? Did he mean Foxgloves?
He did misspeak a lot I could barely take it but foxtails are a grass that get embedded in dogs skin and then migrate into their bodies and have to get surgically removed - it’s really sad
Glyphosate is a herbicide, not fertilizer. I'm gonna assume Derek just misspoke
RFK Jr’s bullshit on Autism is so enraging and dehumanizing I can’t opine on it rationally.
I feel you, I might go into a murder meltdown
Just remember if you know your body better than anyone you should be able to diagnose your own cancer without scans or biopsy.
really think y’all should’ve had a fat person on rather than some white dude who teaches yoga. i love this podcast, but this ep feels like a slight let down :\
Yeah I’m not the hugest Aubrey Gordon fan but she’s done some great discussion of RFK and MAHA and would have loved to see her perspective here
Ah yes, Julian, the ol' DEagle vaccination, a la Counterstrike
Whatever Jake. I almost bought that hat. Now I’m self conscious… as I should be
One of those episodes where Julien identifies a liberal and then just proceeds to say "cum" for 1 hour.
Glyphosate is a herbicide. It kills plants. Not a fertiliser like this guy stated. So opposite.
Less shit libs please. This dude is trash
Conspirituality is Shit Lib QAA. at about 20 this ass hat references Ezra Kline. Jfc
Yeah he cited from a book co authored by Ezra? But a passing idea which shows that even a shithead like Ezra can make a good point? How else was he a shitlib. Or were you just dragging in some preconceived ideas from god knows where.
U.S. had a long history of Eugenics before Nazis came along, this is just a new chapter
Indeed. The pandemic has ramped up eugenics beyond all proportion again. I despair.
Please please do an ep on what’s gone down with Israel and Eurovision. Conspiracy theories be poppin
BDS asked us to boycott so I didn't watch it!
I don’t know if I’ve ever paid attention to how his last name is pronounced out loud, but he’s always Dan Bongo in my head
portland mentioned!!! when i first went to the dentist here they told me they could tell i grew up somewhere else just from looking at my teeth 🤪
Thanks for your input Derek. Things sound grim stateside at the moment.
The best way to confuse coyotes is to paint a wall or side of a mountain to look like a road or tunnel. They’ll run right into it and knock themselves out cold. As a child, I saw this tactic work many times.
okay, the idea that Ezra Point Klein made one correct point is not like emblematic of us fucking going back to the dark ages. dude. I happen to know someone who works at the Weissman lab who is one of the primary people behind the MRNA vaccine technology. it's not like the technology magically went away because Trump ripped away funding. I mean come on leave it to Ezra to think. oh the real problem is that neither the left or the right is giving scientists credit... no, I mean I'm pretty sure ALL leftist would acknowledge mRNA vaccines are fucking awesome and if they don't honestly they should listen to some trash future. get back to me for fuck's sake
Dudes show is shit lib QAA. Really surprised they bothered to have him on
Derek Beres has a very curious way of making these occasional references to Israel where it really doesn't add anything to the conversation that seem to be to normalize it or normalize israeli talking points or something I can't quite place my finger on. The closest thing I can compare it to is when I've met racist people who drop little dogwhistles to normalize their racist opinions in littletiny slivers before revealing their power level. He has a 2014 article that very much tries to both sides the Palestinian issue which is not encouraging. I'm gonna need to know his stance on Gaza before I waste any more time on any media with him. Disappointed that QAA is platforming guests like this.
I was a huge fan of Conspirituality until an episode where Derek and Julian responded to Matthew’s quite impassioned but fairly straightforward anti- genocide opinions with what felt like quite angry and aggressive Both Sides-ing about October 7th and anti- semitism and etc etc. This was maybe a couple of months ago? It was pretty unpleasant and I haven’t listened since.
My two favorite podcasts together again! Great episode
Anti-sunscreen movement?!? We're cooked.
I’ve seen people online in different spaces suggesting coconut oil or beef fat as an alternative. Not great…
I’ve read the Conspirituality book - highly recommend
My two favorite podcasts coming together 🥲
“The best part of abundance” okay derek come on now
Dude citing Abundance unironically lol
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"Hungry Enby"? Gooble gobble, 1 of us! 🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈
I do a lot of work with Chronic Health, and the CDC is complete eliminating funding for these programs on the state and national level. These people are pathological liars with no actual belief systems. I’m talking about nutrition classes, walkability audits, etc.
I feel like all? states have absolutely shat the bed on Covid too. The cumulative damage on our bodies sounds like something anyone would absolutely want to avoid but folk seem to have been kept relatively in the dark. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-8-the-invisible-damage-of-covid-19/id1737580566?i=1000704044121
I’m from western Pa where a lot of people get cancer and a lot of fracking has occurred in my hometown area. I have zero faith that even if they definitely claim that fracking chemicals cause cancer I see zero chance that the companies that polluted the area will be held accountable so I find it extremely frustrating that they are trying put the onus of being healthy on the citizens rather than the companies that poison them.
Bingo!
Not an RFK Jr fan, but we need to get real about obesity. It’s not genetics - the United States is not genetically homogenous in any way, and it’s not poverty. It’s choice, availability, and lack of movement. We drive everywhere, eat junk food, drink massive amounts of soda, and don’t move enough. Anecdotally, I work at a place where everyone makes at least $200k a year, and the obesity is very very present. It really is lifestyle. If we just walked more, we’d probably do a lot better
Your cities are not built for walking and a lot of poor people live in food desert. So no, it's not only lifestyle. It's also very much the circumstances your infrastructure creates.
next time there's an episode on health and stuff y'all should have death panel on
Are you going to suggest wearing respirators next? Well damn, I already do.
As a post menopausal woman I need to see this ‘big hat’ 🔥🥵
Scary part of having such old unhealthy people in office is they just know the true extent of the catastrophes they are setting in motion aren't probably going to be realized until they're dead and they'll never have to answer for anything. Worked for Kissinger to some extent they've similarly corrupted their party to an extent where they will have to be held up as paragons of good governance so the GOP doesn't collapse under having to contend with what they've done
Liv, Laugh, Love Agar
One minute: OMG the empire is disgusting. Look at all the shit they do around the world. All the death and destruction. We must fight the empire. Next minute: OMG I can't believe all the hoops the empire are making me jump through so that I can continue to live in the empire, help fund the empire, and reap the empire's rewards.
Trigger warning: you hear RFK Jr’s voice in this one.
damn we have to listen to that shit and don't even get to hear liv to make it better
And I think a large part playing into it is that it absolves the government of giving people free healthcare. If everything is made all fuzzy and confusing, if we don't know if ANYTHING helps, if chemo just maybe just makes things worse, if vaccines make you sicker, if insulin is fake, if NOBODY KNOWS if you need heart medication or if you just need to realign your chakras and we pretend nobody knows the mechanics of any illnesses anymore then, ooupsie! I guess the government can't help you and if anything it would be IRRESPONSIBLE of them to try! So what they really need to do is nothing, actually. Huh. Funny how that works in favor of them.
Not to bleak anyone out but there are a fuck ton of papers looking at the cumulative, multi organ system damage Covid infection does to the body and ahead of making public health messaging and resources very clear and available to everyone, states are introducing MAID (medical assistance in dying). How about support to live first?
Every time I hear about that abundance book, especially from the main guy behind it himself when he's trying to explain/defend it to Sam Seder on Majority Report, it just sounds increasingly worse. This constant need to pretend neoliberals are "the left" while ignoring progressive criticism/analysis entirely has been a considerable concern for a long time now, in the UK also with its own unhinged underhanded spiteful ways, but especially in the current turmoil of neoliberal failure under the looming sweaty wojak face of a massive international fascism power grab. And their answer is as always to just go more right wing, more authoritarian, BUT NOT FOR THE POOR CORPORATIONS AND BILLIONAIRES YOU LEAVE THEM ALONE...they have much exploitation and extracting to be doing without us measly mortals getting in their way. It's progressive erasure. Also who the hell was pretending the vaccine didn't exist on the left, wait neoliberals did that? We need to stop referring to them as the left cos they sure as shit aren't, they're Thatcherites and Reaganites, to which the former publicly admitted of being her proudest achievement. They will always, but always throw any of their citizens, colleagues and allies under the bus as long as the markets are protected..."oh a sweeping virus across the planet? Sorry we ain't letting that hurt our precious markets, get the fuck back to work, for work sets you free, dontcha know?! Healthcare? Lol! Whoa hey WOAH don't you dare even THINK of mentioning a cut of military spending or weapons sales to countries committing live-streamed war crimes and genocide though! Those deaths were all probably anti LGBT people anyway, which we are too but it's ok cos we're only hating minorites for the MARKETS! Line go up! Freedoms go down! Line go up! Happiness go down! Line go big ups! Population go down, uh oh better appease the white nationalists and fascists again!" - - - - - T h e - m a r k e t s - w i l l - n o t - s a v e - u s
Fellow vegans, we should never have let 'health vegans' into the movement.
Veganism is NOT a 'diet'. It is... "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose"
Liv Enby Julian Agar
Glyphosate is a herbicide, not a fertiliser
wide spread COVID denialism and reduction in mitigations, spread by both parties, led us to this point. until folks recognize that, we are fucked. sigh...to denounce soft eugenics, then push the "obesity epidemic" narrative is...a choice.
Well fucking said. Thank you for naming this. Some people have decided pandemic denialism is being anti-vax or 'covid was a hoax' conspiracy theorists, but it also includes people who pretend the Covid protections were safe to be dropped by states and employers, even though they literally didn't hide that they were doing it for the economy. Scientists have spoke til they're horce in the throat about the ongoing status of the pandemic and what we need to be doing both individually and collectively and folk can pretend it's get vaxed and relax but that has never been the case. Of course blaming fat people comes next because we aren't moralising health as bad as THAT LOT. Smdh how about we moralise on the system instead FFS! Professor Christina Pagel from the University College, London, England, is one scientist (from Independent Sage) folks could do worse than find her substack for a reliable source on Covid, especially for the UK Considering SO MUCH conspiracy theory shite has ramped up as a result of governments mishandling of this pandemic. Let It Rip policies, promoting Presenteeism when ONS figures show we are no doubt slowly getting sicker since the onset of the pandemic, it is really demoralising to listen to this pod talk around or even talk over these realities. https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Pre-2020+world+%27no+longer+exists%27+says+SAGE+expert%3B+Professor...-a0693166845
I used to live in Waterloo, the city in Ontario that they mentioned banning fluoride. I remember the election where it was on the ballot - I watched the mayoral debate, and they asked the candidates their opinion on the fluoride referendum. They were all like "oh, well, I guess everyone has to make up their own mind, I wouldn't want to tell someone how they should vote". Fucking cowards, letting poor kids get rotten teeth because you're afraid the granola moms will be mad at you.
I think the high suicide rate in Japan also has to do with the fact that you need a note from the subway operator if you are 5 minutes late to work.
Liv Agar
Glyphosate is not a fertiliser. It’s a herbicide. Also it is harmful. European wheat has no glyphosate and Australian wheat does. I believe that people mistake gluten intolerance for glyphosate intolerance. If you think you’re gluten intolerant try Italian flour and see if you get the symptoms that you attribute to gluten.
this is unfortunately untrue and based on incredibly misleading studies and conclusions. you would have to eat a physically impossible amount of wheat everyday to even get close to a dangerous amount. the dose makes the poison.
Livspirituality
I love it when my 2 favorite pods collide! ❤️
Would love them to get science communicator Lola Germs on https://youtu.be/2HGi81LsXtA
Derek Agar
Liv Agar?
Liv Agar
