God, the Devil, and AI feat. Miles Klee (E323)

Relistening to this ep. I wonder if the college students who can’t remember/imagine doing their work without AI, despite it only being a couple years old commercially, are now also equating it to googling. Now that google gives you an answer when you search for something without navigating links. I ask question = I get the answer. Really insidious that it does this, and google’s AI particularly sucks ass in terms of giving completely fake responses with irrelevant links and info. I can’t imagine doing research or work without Google. Not sure here just a thought.

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Can we get a “Look babe! Trump’s quoting Zorth!” t shirt?

I have a programmer friend, they're working on a classic mudd populated by different ai programmed to act like mythological deities.

When people whinge and complain about how biased Mainstream media is then you find out they use ChatGPT as a search engine and for spiritual guidance.

Is this what is happening to Shiloh Hill with Whisper to The Beast?

I really enjoyed past episodes of this podcast, but three sequential strikes and I cancelled premium tier on it. You might just rename the podcast "are irrational people still doing irrational things?" as the hosts select the easiest targets and swing at them with their hardest punches. "This one guy thinks AI is god!" 😐 Good for a cathartic laugh now and then. We can do better than right wing media, which chooses one idiot or one mistake and inflates it to a size greater than the root topic. Love you guys. I hope you find your way back to more nuanced commentary ❤️🫂

I hate to hand anything to Rod, but he’s right when he says that people will stop reading because the view it as more inefficient than just asking AI something. This has *already happened* to a disturbing number of people.

While I do think Miles' article is solid and worth a read, it seems like so much of this reporting is unnecessarily starting from first principles on both AI criticism and AI ethics. The work of Drs. Emily Bender, Temnit Gebru, and Alex Hanna (and that of the latter two's DAIR Institute) is excellent, extensive, and keeps up with the rapidly changing group of technologies. https://www.dair-institute.org/ Also, god damn, y'all: if you want to pull recipes from a novel about how someone's grandma used to make just about the best gosh darned green bean casserole ever, get one of dozens of browser plugins that have existed for a decade. It is faster, more efficient, and doesn't fucking chug 1,567% the energy of a single google search. (I love y'all. Don't get me wrong. No homo. Except kinda homo.)

Guys you need to stop I made myself a drinking game where I took a shot every time the phrase “dick sucking machine” was uttered and now I have alcohol poisoning 😠

Surprisingly relevant Dune quote: “Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” ― Frank Herbert, Dune

Anybody happen to have link to/name of the podcast the Blake Lemoine clips are from?

21. c. BC a man reads animal entrails, thinks he is a prophet 21. c. a man uses chatGPT, thinks he is a prophet We never learn

I love that the recipe Jake got cliff's notes for was probably an AI generated blog post built to scrape recipes and generate attractive content that people have to spend a lot of time scrolling through in order to generate maximum ad revenue.

I for one support the Butlerian Jihad even if it’s started by insane evangelicals

It's only a matter of time before a ChatGPT cult kills somebody.

The anime Lazarus most recent episode is this exact concept taken to its extreme. It’s about a cult that worships a “perfect” AI as a god with disastrous consequences.

That auto cue at the end..... Wtf, those are some especially virulent brain worms there.

I don't see anybody else mentioning it, so I'll pop in and say that the criminally-underrated 2023 Peacock show "Mrs. Davis" is extremely relevant to this discussion, and is a good show that's a lot of fun and worth watching.

I wonder what will happen to all these people who have grown so helplessly dependent on the nonsense machine when OpenAI finally has the money spigot turned off and chatgpt either gets killed off or becomes much more expensive to use.

So this is the plot from Her crossed with the plot from Poltergeist (per Jake)? I've always loved Her as a movie, but this is making it seem prophetic even.

I’m just here for Julian’s many, many, many dick jokes…

that ending soundbite is making my mind melt

This shit is literally destroying the planet we were already doing a poor job preventing from happening. Hard line in the sand there is no ethical use of this shit. Don't use it please I am imploring anyone who cares about the planet at all

This guy wants the middle ages back as long as he is a feudal lord. He wants humanity to jump at shadows and follow a psychotic god that turns women into salt

It's funny because openai totally messes with users who don't know better. The version of 4o that paid users have access to in the API and Custom GPTs didn't change. Only the ChatGPT 4o model that the masses use became a cheerleading stochastic parrot. Openai is just experimenting on them.

Jake, my brother in Christ, just scroll down on the recipe page. You don't need the robot that answers questions wrong in this situation. Just scroll down!

discordianism mentioned!!! love this ep

In the most respectful way, Miles sounds like Ron Watkins & Elon Musk had a baby.

It's so hard to imagine Vladimir Putin as a disembodied spirit. He seems like a very pragmatic man.

EMERALD TABLETS MENTIONED 🐦

AI is the new iBabe (Movie 43). It's fine as long as you don't use it in the way some people will find irresistible.

I think a missing piece for most people is that they know AI has access to huge amounts of information, more than any human, so they somewhat logically assume that means its smarter and more capable of finding answers than any human. But AI doesn't find answers, it has all this information but doesn't possess critical thinking to distinguish any of it or draw conclusions from it. It's guided by what the mean of the dataset for any given topic is. So if it has a couple academic articles about the Akashic Records being a mythical concept, but a hundred pieces of fiction about them being real, it's all just data, and the data points more substantially to the Akashic records being real. It's substantially influenced by its dataset. If these models were fed purely on vetted, accurate data inputs, that could genuinely be helpful as a sort of advanced search tool, but from what we can tell these companies are largely just feeding it *anything* they can because they need bigger datasets to continuously improve its functionality. None of these consumer models are ever going to function in a reliably accurate way as long as that's the case

I don't know if there's a polite or agreeable way to word this, but doing drugs is just healthier, philosophically, psychologically, morally, economically, uhh metaphorically? than outsourcing your thinking to tech bro chatbot scams harvesting your every thought to profit off your future exploitation. The journeys you go on no large language model will ever be able to describe to you let alone provide you. Also look out for Jake, podcast peeps, we don't want him being groomed by satan into practicing the dark arts lol

Y'all really need to do a Demon Seed movie night

Jake, you can scroll to the bottom of those food blogs. Every single one has a method and ingredient list at the bottom. It is annoying, but it is quicker than gpt. Also, ChatGPT might poison you, cause it doesn’t fucking care.

AI could never come up with a phrase like "primitive root wiener."

I have tried Deep seek. I know, I'm using that Chinese one! Reasons: it don't not take as much energy as Chat GPT does to use. chat GPT takes tons of energy to use, and is larger, and quite honestly, should be further along than where it is for how long they have been working on it. Deep Seek take less energy, took less time to make, and is further along than chat GPT, in a shorter amount of time. And honestly, I hardly use it anyway. I think I've use it twice, because I was being lazy and didn't want to look up something. I rather do my own research though. And if anyone is looking for a really good deep dive into AI, Better Offline is a great Podcast for that. (Sorry for plugging another podcast. But it is really good for tech.). I'm not even a half hour in. Back to listening.

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Miles Klee is a deity.

I've never been more disappointed in/worried about Jake lol

I use. Chat GPT for everything. The other day I took a picture of what I was wearing and asked it what color jacket I should wear and it was perfect. It also reviews all my work.

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I really hope speaking with Miles and researching for this episode was meaningful for Jake, because a few of his comments about using AI were genuinely concerning

Guys, this seems sort of QAA material. I just stumbled upon a really interesting African American online group using legal terminology similar to sovereign citizens. https://www.freedmennation.org/post/u-s-treasury-acknowledges-freedmen-reparations-fund-trust-legal-standing-now-in-effect The group’s Historical precedent is in the The Freedmen's Bureau created after the Civil War. The head of the group is involved in a pillow company a la Mike Lindell. It’s kind of awesome.

The cool thing about Rod is that he's able to correctly identify something as a soul-sucking force for evil, but all the reasons for that - its ingratiating tone, its addictive properties, the way it distances you from others, its unfailing ability to tell you exactly what you want to hear - have to do with capitalism, not because there's a little red gremlin living in it. As conspiracy theories are a way for people to bridge the gap between how they were told the world works and how it is without questioning their really core beliefs, so spirituality is for guys like him.

At 69, I long for the days when the local conspiracy theorist had to work for it, and influenced nobody. They had to crank out their own material. With those thick Ditto masters they would cut on a manual typewriter. Or they scored an old Gestetner (we had one, used only for good art and activism, I promise). When Xerox photocopiers came out, they upped their game, but had to steal office materials and stay late at work to crank out their crank tracts. Then they had to haunt sidewalk corners, or take out little ads in the classifieds section of local papers and fringe magazines. They would send you The Truth for a donation or just an SASE (“self-addressed stamped envelope” for the children; the Post Offices were critical conduits.) I felt sad about the guys, but I kind of admired their hard work. Yikes. If the pilled crowd had half of the old-fashioned Nutbar Work Ethic, we would be in even deeper shit than we are.

This the most depressing episode of QAA ever. And I truly mean that. Doesn't AI ever say things like Akashic Records are not real?

Hey Jake, Ive never commented before just I just wanted you to know that there is a website/app that you can use for those recipes: https://www.justtherecipe.com/ Im not your boss, just a random person, but genuinely I have not found a single thing ChatGPT can do that something that already exists cant do better...often found with less than a google search

Ahh I was just re-listening to Chapo’s 8-hour supercut of Rod Dreher’s saga. Exciting to see him pop up again, weird to see him outside of containment

Anyone see the Lower Decks episode where Boimler tries to get the meaning of life from a computer program?

The only cool thing Chat GPT has done in the queen thing, which is just a rip off of the plot from the Naked Gun movie

It’s never occurred to me to ask Siri when the world is going to end. It can barely tell me when a movie is playing.

In terms of students, I teach 6th grade (Middle School). I have students hand write pretty much everything because when I assign work via GoogleClassroom they just Google things and copy & paste - not clicking on an actual website, just using the Google AI results. It makes me so worried for the future 😂🤪 I also teach college and see this lack of critical thinking shit too often.

Jake!! Most of those recipe pages have a jump to recipe button. You don’t need the “AI”

"AI hasn’t made [students stupider]. but higher institutions have transformed education into a commodity—it’s not about actually learning things, but making yourself marketable for employment." - https://xcancel.com/zukosmadre/status/1920518451187130754#m

I knew there was a good reason to stay away from AI. Fucking techbros ruining our lives for money.

Christianity has always had an ambivalent attitude to its more mystical expressions– I mean, there’s a bit in one of Paul’s epistles that’s basically him going, “guys, can we knock off the speaking in tongues? It’s spooking the normies”

The part where some of the people in Mile’s article are like “I know it *says* it’s not intelligent, but still…” echoes the experiences of Joseph Weizenbaum, an early AI researcher and developer of the ELIZA program, regarded as the first chatbot. Weizenbaum grew concerned at how seriously a lot of people took their interactions with this program (which was massively less powerful than an LLM given the time it was written) and spent much of the rest of his life warning about it

Show me what dat bot do..

I think we all need an AI that calls us all a daft cunt. I'd be down with that.

My Dad tells me to use it to plan my week, like putting things I have to do then it gives me a timetable. It doesn't work very well for that!

Another great ep that makes me want to scream, thanks everyone 🩷

jake omg there is a jump to recipe button on 99% of recipe pages

Chapo literally just mentioned Dreher in their latest episode lol

Miles Klee, Annie, AND Rod? This is a more momentous occasion than a Chicago pope

🗣️ “AND TRAVIS VIEW.”

Brother Rod X QAA???? Oh hell yeah

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Thanks for putting out a great show every time.

Chicago Pope

Annie Kelly