Racist Migrant Voodoo Panic (E294)
A false smear about Haitian migrants in Springfield, Ohio killing pets made its way from a fourth-hand Facebook rumor to Donald Trump’s lips during his televised debate with Kamala Harris. Despite the fact that there is no evidence for this claim and local authorities have explicitly denied that it’s true, Republicans have enthusiastically promoted the libel in order to demonize Haitians who are legally living and working in the town. This promotion includes AI generated images of anthropomorphic cats in tactical gear.
We discuss how this false claim spread, the background of recent anti-immigrant sentiment in JD Vance’s home state, a historical example of how American anti-immigrant conspiracy theories inspired deadly violence, and how the current smears are leading to innocent people being threatened right now.
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The Louisville Journal Thu, Jul 26, 1855
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-courier-journal/47743585/
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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/03/us/springfield-ohio-school-bus-crash-haiti-immigrants.html
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Comments (83)
I’m listening to this after the election and it makes me sad to realize how Fuck up USA has always been.
Not sure if it's an issue for any others, but the RSS feed cuts in to the episode almost halfway through on the app I use.
Just in case nobody has the same brain fungus as me but I want everyone to know that you can in fact read the title to this episode in the TMNT rhythm format
Hey QAA, I don't know if you read these so if someone reading knows an email where I can connect with the creators, please lmk. So I know this episode is about Springfield, OH, but Trump and fucking Libs of TikTok have been talking about Charleroi now, which is a small town in Western PA, south of Pittsburgh. I live there. A very MAGA local Republican state senator, Camera Bartolotta, commented that what they were saying "is not true" and this woman sucks. I promise. But she was compelled to do the right thing for once We have about 2000 legal Haitian Migrants that were attracted to the area by an employer, Fourth Street Foods, who had two packing plants that he kept having to shut down due to lack of employees. He researched and found these people and they have moved in. He had apartments renovated and provides them transport to and from work. These people are pumping money into the community and some have even saved enough to open most of the abandoned storefronts. The gas stations, fast food restaurants and other lower paying entry level jobs have been filled. Nobody is as determined and hardworking as a migrant with a chance for a better life... I can see it with my own eyes now We have not experienced any kind of increase of crime, and with the exception of the strain in the school district and local medical facilities from having to hire translators it has been nothing but a total net benefit to the community. Also, my cats and dogs are vibing with these new neighbors, not being eaten. I want to learn Haitian so I can make friends. They are walking the streets and downtown feels like a downtown again with foot traffic. I just thought I would reach out because I wanted to share some input from someone in a community getting targeted these days. We were a dying steel down for like 25 years. We have new life... Love the show so much. Take care! Ryan
They speak French, and they're Catholic.
Julian doing the “Vintage Jesus” voice is the best!
I will die on the hill that next door dot com should be declared a hate group
I had to find a jar to contain the remnants of my melted sanity listening to this sadness ultimate medley of conspiracies
Kind of chilling to hear Charlie Kirk not only explicitly saying the words "the great replacement," but also explicitly framing the "replacement" as just the straight-up murder of white people by immigrants on orders from Democrats - not even bothering with anything as subtle as "they're taking your job" or "you'll be a second-class citizen in your own country" anymore, just going full-on Turner Diaries on main. Maybe it's not the biggest possible escalation from what fascists like Kirk were already willing to say publicly, but it feels striking, and worrying.
live to hear Julian explode with violent passion 💜💀🏴☠️
I live to hear Liv laugh😁
America is such a shit hole country
If you want a more news based explanation of this bs, The Daily podcast had an excellent episode on Friday the 13th.
Gee thanks folks, I guess. It is good to know that I am not the only one bummed out about the election and I am not even an American.
It's not just America that has problems. It's a systemic problem....infecting multiple nations. People of good will must fight back. The fight is all that matters when that's all you got.
Another great episode that covers a deeply horrific aspect in this election. This feels like the culmination of the mainstream American Right’s full embrace of white nationalism, and the fomenting of racist violence that it entails. One thing to mention though: Vodou *is* an actual religion, which syncretizes West African beliefs with folk Catholicism. “Voodoo,” as it’s portrayed in Western pop culture, tends to lean on anti-Black racist and colonialist stereotypes of Vodou beliefs and practices.
Side note but killing and eating ducks and geese off public waters isn't a crime so long as they are not native species. All those domestic ducks and geese that live in local parks are considered invasive species and you can catch them with zero consequences. Same with starlings, pigeons and sparrows. If it ain't native it has no protections.
Long time, first time. holy sheeit Julien your Nextdoor Nazi Karen voice is fucking perfect. Thank you for acknowledging that the democrats are running as 2008-12 republicans. I feel like I’m going crazy. We are so cooked man.
I genuinely think the conservatives spreading the Haitian thing think it is a perfectly congruent to the JD Vance couch rumor. It's just a way to piss off libs. Also, next time Jake is sick you guys should do an episode about ghostbusters and completely fuck it up
There is a comedian here in Germany, I am not sure if he is still active, who used to say at the start of his sets "Keep the ticket stubs. Once the revolution comes you can show them and say 'See, I was in the resistance!'" It might also be why I hate liberals.
Julian does a decent facsimile of Jake’s unhinged old white lady voice.
One idea I did little fact checking about because the vibe was right was JD Vance as a couch fucker
I don't think anyone's posted it or I thought it would be in show notes, but here's that anthro cat pic :: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113115343607314633
Im sad I heard charlie kirk talk, but great episode
This whole thing is the rehash of a classic trope, something we had in the UK 14 years ago https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1261044/Slaughter-swans-As-carcasses-pile-crude-camps-built-river-banks-residents-frightened-visit-park-Peterborough.html
Dear Julian, thank you for your outburst against Americans and the way we are fucking brutal morons so much if the time. Hearing another person express how cruelty and greedy and
Back in the HW days we called that feeling "truthiness." From Jon Stewart or maybe Colbert? The more things change, the more American we stay.
It's not really a modern or American thing, if that makes you feel any better about it. People feel a general sense of unease, powerlessness and precarity, they cast around for reasons for it, and the next thing you know a pamphlet's going around explaining there's witches living among us.
All the Kentuckians (me included) screaming at their phones over the pronunciation of Louisville. Also, Louisville is a super Catholic city now, so they ended up winning in the long-term.
Louisville pronunciation guide: with a penis in your mouth say “Louie-ville” i.e. “Luhlvuhl”
liv agar
Allegedly, Karlie churt fucks ducks. Then he eats them. Allegedly.
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Great episode. I watched part of the debate with Spanish subtitles… somehow “se estan comiendo a los perros” made the moment even more ridiculous.
Julian made a throwaway kinda kidding statement in the middle of the episode that went something like, "They started with ducks, and now they're moving on to us." And just yesterday, Laura Loomer claimed that the Haitian immigrants are eating people. It's moving so fast.
At least her and ole margarine green are fighting so you can take some solace in that. Some of the things looney loomer is screeching at her own party is buck wild
The father of the eleven year old boy who died in the bus accident recently made a very moving statement asking Trump and Vance not to use his son’s name. He talked about how hard it is not to be able to protect your child’s memory against these kinds of abuses. Truly devastating to imagine.
In a just world, public figures who spread such bile would be ridiculed, laughed at and ostracised from society. They would be remembered as a sick freak and reminded so until they did the right thing. Stories like this make me laugh at first but then it turns to anger. You know these fuckers would be clutching their pearls if a pernicious rumour was being spread about themselves.
The best part of this story- at least from my point of view? PBS NewsHour aired a segment on this on Monday, September 9th- before the debate. So far, they’ve included reporting I haven’t heard anywhere else (and, courtesy of my role as CTO at the second largest media monitor in the US during Bush vs Gore and 9/11, I tend to consume a f*ton of news from multiple sources, daily- and still do), so… sharing: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/ohio-city-with-haitian-migrant-influx-thrust-into-political-spotlight
There are maybe some made up conspiricies abot Catholics, but then there is Opus Dei cult
You are completely justified in cricizing Biden's approach to Gaza and the border policy as more conservative than ever, but I feel you view the current democrat party in a very binary way. Just because Biden and the democrats have failed you on certain issues does not mean they have abandoned all progressive causes. the Inflation Reduction ACT included the largest legislative investment in clean energy programs and technology in US history. That is a progressive achievement that should be lauded. If this was a bush republican administration you characertize it as, we would still be denying climate change. Moreover, I feel fox news and Republican propaganda has forced Democrats to adopt these conservative border positions. I don't genuinely believe these are the policies that the Democratic base want regarding the border, but public fear has been stoked to the point of a hysteria where Democrats have to take conservative positions on the border if they want to hold power.
I feel like the consequences for supporting genocide, period, should be self evident and go without elaboration. Damn all others. Damn the cowards.
Counterpoint to Liv, duck fried rice is divine and there is no going back. Chicken will never satisfy again!
I work in a restaurant and my sous is Haitian, he’s told me he’s eaten cat before back in haiti after the earthquake , he’s still voting for Trump tho lmao
Yeah a cheese grater! I wouls um, grate ALL of the racists cheese. In a possitivw, suppoetive, non-aggressive sense*
Also my Twitter for you feed is mostly fine? Seems like a skill issue there lol
Not sure what Liv is talking about re: the democrats responding with “that’s weird, they shouldn’t be coming here”. I haven’t seen any type of response that isn’t just making fun of how absurd it is
They often over exaggerate Dem responses to a point of absurdity as part of their “both sides bad!” schtick which is ironic
I wasn’t quite prepared for the venality of that Auto-Q guy. Either that, or he actually believes it…. Which is worse. Wow.
Harris didn't need to be inspiring or actually liberal, she just needed to follow The Simpsons playbook and lay out enough rakes for Trump to step on.
I completely adore Julian, Travis and Liv (Jake, feel better Boo) … a perfect balance of humor and horror. Travis’ thoughtful, compassionate voice and Liv’s insightful commentary underpinning Julian’s rage was like fine, fucked up wine …. or something lol. It takes us beyond stupid pet-eating memes, so thank you. Seriously, you’re needed. You guys are a through line. Not that anyone asked me, but as a Leftie, i agree with Julian. I think what’s happening is terror, keeping us too quiet. Not only about Palestine. When Harris said that she would sign that really-bad-no -good immigration bill (supposedly agreed to in order to fund Ukraine) my head spun like Linda Blair. My demeanor wont improve if that fucking happens. I HATE HATE HATE being in this position of accepting something like that to prevent something like Trump. Anyway. electing Harris does not mean the fights over. I was center-left before all this. No more. We have serious work to do as a country. It needs progressive policies mainlined. But, that’s stating the obvious.
Thanks for keeping me in the loop.
Holy shit. Kentucky actually being featured in an episode is amazing and of course, it's bad history!
WtF guys?! Not ONE mention of RFK JR?! He's literally slaughtering more pets/ mammals than an entire city of Haitians 😅
Be cool 🫡
Poor Julian, I can hear his blood pressure rising, there's practically steam coming out of his ears this episode. Hope that's better than the black pill and the depression, hang in there friend
Per Liv's point about Trump being "all-in," I think it's because it's being driven by his innate narcissism, rather than any genuine desire to affect political change. "If I say these things, people will love me!" Simple as that.
Plus he’s f*img Laura loomer
Dan Lebatard, a sports podcaster in Miami, said on his show the other day that he remembers right wing Cubans in Miami saying this same stuff decades ago when there was an influx of Haitians to the area, that they stole and ate pets. I thought that was interesting, that just like they do with the Protocols they recycled this rumor as well.
The south Florida Haitian community practices vodou which involves ritualistic animal sacrifice https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2006/04/11/animal-sacrifices-alarm-neighbors/
I like it when Julian pulls out his “Salad Fingers but a racist white lady” voice. Dulls the pain and rage of this shit
Omg. Salad Fingers. LOL. I was feeling the same.
I love how Julian has become the Jake clown this episode next to the straight man of Travis. I say clown loosely because this incredibly grim content is hard to laugh at even though it’s laughably false. Nice work as always. I feel like the conspiracy theory podcasts I listen to (5+ years ago my “niche” interest) are now my source of grounding in a political world that has rapidly transcended into Cloudcuckooland
I’ve had the same experience! I wouldn’t understand half of this point in history without listening to QAA and (the sadly, now gone) Fever Dreams The fantasy world of Conspiracyland has entered the main stream…
Finally! Get to catch up on my QAA… been jonesing ❤️
I’m surprised that none of the people spreading the rumour have linked animal abduction to animal sacrifice. It feels like a logical next step given that in Haitian Vodou feeding the Iwa (spirits/ gods) is an important part of many rituals.
Someone will… give them time 😶
"THEY'RE EATING THE CATS!" has officially replaced "I serve the Soviet Union!" as my favorite thing to yell out during orgasm.
🤣🤣
What’s crazy is I’m a subject matter expert, moreso than any newscast, on all these crazy, racists, and grifters, like Loomer and Gabbert. And it’s because of years of listening to QAA haha. I had to explain to two friends today how Loomer did a podcast with Jacob Wohl. At this point we shouldn’t be surprised if Trump promises Romana Didulo a spot as Secretary of State. I swear this crap can’t get dumber, but it always proves me wrong
In fact, I expect Bill Mitchell to be Trump’s campaign manager by the end of the weekend.
Such a good episode. Please touch on LL vs MTG in the future, would love to hear your takes on the right wing eating itself.
FYI End Wokeness is most likely Jack Posobiec.
I feel a classic style QAA episode on the horizon.
It's not ideal, but I've been eagerly awaiting for this ep. to drop. Also, I got SOOO many compliments on my QAA hoodie at work today. Great work on the new merch, boys.
This shit is so fucking disgusting I want JD Vance to well.. Lets just say beeeeeeep
Liv people have already made fake Dr Seuss book covers about the ‘They’re eating the dogs. They’re eating the cats line.’
Lovely when bigots pretend to care about animal rights for a lie rather than directing criticism at the animal agriculture industry and its supporters
Or when every time there’s a shooting, they pretend to care about mental health. But when a clearly mentally ill woman, who is a U.S. citizen, not from Haiti, on one side of Ohio kills and starts eating a cat, they just exploit the story to be racist against Haitians on the other side of ohio
Been looking forward to this episode since the debate.
That neo-nazi with the mushroom cut got given way too much time on his council podium or whatever the fuck it was. They knew what he was there for at least as soon as he started bluntly admitting it straight away. Don't give them the time, nip it in the bud quick like, deprive then of the fame they so desperately chase.
Hoo boy here we go…
Love that Republican smears about gangs running the streets and the literal dissolution of the state are just the reality of the Haitians who have emigrated here. Glad lil ol Springfield made the national stage.
