Studying the Black Pill feat Elle Reeve (E285)

I am an admitted listener of both Rachel Maddow and this glorious pod

This reminds me of my time as a straight white woman before escaping evangelical churches. We are allowed to serve in limited capacities but are never fully respected as anything more than submissive, secondary beings to straight white men.

Great episode but lol at Julian being like “did you say leftists!?” in regards to the Dworkin bit. Yes!

Kinda weird the parallels you can draw between Frederick and Musk.

So serious question about the irony question. I feel like there's a social theorist who discusses this maybe postmodernist. I thought it was maybe Lyotard. Try as I might I can't seem to find the reference... Anyway that caught my ear. Fantastic episode. Thanks for the work you do.

What a great episode! And now I have to go and buy the book. Please do another episode with her! I would love to hear more.

Excellent episode! Great format and pacing paired with the usual excellent production; Elle was awesome to hear from and the content was like a full-spectrum sample of the world that encircled QAnon. This episode would actually serve as a great starting point for new listeners. Good job, y'all

Ok I know that recording of Spencer is supposed to be shocking but omg it's the funniest thing I've heard all day. He just threw a tantrum like that acting like he's so hard and powerful yet he comes off like a five year old.

Rachel and MSNBC are going to owe you some money for the inevitable QAA bump.

Dworkin :/

Oof, this is the first ep in awhile that made me really uncomfortable. Still great tho 👌

This was an utterly gripping episode, Elle is a fantastic storyteller. I remember seeing her in that Vice doc about Charlottesville and feeling scared for her but also grateful for the brave reporting. Adding the book to my wishlist

Oh, just stumbled upon an edit of the Richard Spencer leaked audio where they apply it to that infamous Hitler tantrum in his bunker scene from the German film 'Downfall' - attempted link share: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeBnlWhOqnM

Thanks for another interesting book to add my reading list. This podcast is really adding some great reads that my dad would put into the depressing book section.

Amazing episode. One comment though : a lot of simplification of the chans, please don't miss the forest for the trees, specially when speaking about 2010s Internet. If you gloss over gamer gate as the chans being angsty and mysoginistic is being overly simplistic. Gawker and some other media were often shit shows and complacent with the industry. Some of the claims and ideas of all of this were true and felt like issues , but then the mob happened. And you don't choose your pals in an angry mob. Part of the "key" figures went full nuts . Yeah. Started living for their fantasies. Most people like me disconnected there. Nowadays you see gen z starting with their own demons. And please stop for an instant and consider that maybe , some of them, might be just lone confused teenagers and peer pressure is a bitch. Anywhere, kudos on the episode EDIT: Someone asked (¿ and deleted?) when I started going on 4chan. ¿ Why, to compare seniority ? That never matters online. But in case it bothers someone it was around 2008. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. Cheers

I confess I am a Rachel Maddow/QAA crossover, but it was in the other direction. I began with you gentlemen first :-) Ordering the book for sure. Fantastic interview.

Half an hour in and already pre-ordered the audiobook. 🤘

Elle is not on E125. At least not when I search for that episode. Am I not cool enough (paying enough $ to find it)?

Great ep! Elle is fascinating to listen to, great story teller

Just pre ordered Elle’s book! This was a captivating interview.

This episode was amazing.

Very good interview! Really enjoyed revisiting this topic since it’s been discussed in previous episodes, but not too recently. I did want to give some corrections/clarifications where autism is discussed though, as I’m a diagnosed autistic person myself: - Self-diagnosis/self-ID is a major point of contention for people on the spectrum. It originates partly from medical gatekeeping, as accessing a diagnosis can be difficult for reasons that are often financial or discriminatory (esp. age, gender, and race/ethnicity). Additionally, we sometimes learn to hide our autistic traits by learning to mimic allistic people (also known as “masking”), which makes diagnosing much harder in adolescence and adulthood. So much of support for self-diagnosis stems from those issues, though TikTok might have popularized it. - The #ActuallyAutistic hashtag wasn’t born out of gatekeeping per se, though it could certainly be used that way. Its original purpose was to carve out a social media space to post about our own experiences and find/talk to each other. A lot of autism internet talk gets dominated by allistic family members, most notoriously “autism moms” and ableist parent groups like Autism Speaks. Generally, that hashtag helps us build community without having to sift through a vast sea of ignorance and/or ableism.

One of the parts of the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville that I feel a lot of people fully realize is that the lawn which they marched through on the first night is student housing. There were students who had what is essentially their home invaded by Nazis that night. As someone with friends at the university then, the terror of being in one of those small rooms as Nazis marched outside has never left me.

Like everyone in the world but him can say Charlottesville and knows how it’s pronounced

God damn why can’t Julian pronounce anything

It makes me absurdly happy that Spencer lost his career for shouting f-bombs over and over.

Elon, in another timeline without his money would be a incel

Good interview, but I did not hugely want to hear the details of Fredrick Brennan's sex life.

I never understand why ‘liberal’ is used as a slur by the right (and a tiny faction on the left) do they not understand what illiberalism is??? I also don’t understand why the alt right wears the tan chino pants and polo shirt, like they have a game of golf to get to after the rioting

Spencer sounds like a fucking toddler who wants his binkie. What a joke. Excellent episode!

"Shilling" for the guest is what a host is supposed to do. Not make the guest rattle off all their social handles at the end. Promoting your guest's book is hosting 101. Idk why podcast hosts are so averse to what is really basic on-air professionalism. Great guest. Great episode.

One of the best interviews I’ve ever heard in any Podcast. Kudos to Julian. Definitely picking up this book.

It's the big glasses VICE reporter from Charlottesville!

This was a great podcast, dark fascinating and disturbing but at least I get it as a boomer. I am SPF 100 and have skin cancer so good luck to all the racists they should avoid the sun.

Someone let Craig out to pee! Great ep !!

Here's a lifehack for all you lovers. If you get blackout drunk before listening, you can listen to the same episode twice and basically get a free ep each week!

Great interview

I love Elle's voice. Great interview, pre-ordered the book.

That Richard Spencer rant is gold. He sounds like Jim Jones during the, erm, white nights. Only 100,000x whinier and less charismatic.

Richard Spencer is a herb.

Reeve has the best radio voice!

Wow. Per ordered the book. Great episode

This feels so strange, these events I remember retreating slowly into history... my brother used to be on the old chans, eventually he left because he couldn't argue against the fash without fear of targeted reprisals on his web hosting work. Love her work, amazing interview ... thanks everyone.

A unique mix of calm sleepy tone and sinister bleak topics, like falling asleep listening to own inner suicidal tendencies. -~~- mini personal ramble ahead with absent paragraph button, apologies! -~- this episode awoke distinct memories of political exposure as Gamergate started like a few months after I'd stopped being so homeless and got a working internet to dabble with online community for first time. - Twas a brief period of peace before the chaos also partly ignited by their dramatic reaction to a milquetoast entertainment article with the headline "gamers are dead" either just before or after the review/relationship gossip - but had no idea the first site I'd anxiously attached to was one of few who allowed, nurtured and even hired such festering chunks of that community, (including Ian Miles Ching at one point too). Had assumed it was like that bad everywhere else online. The shit there'd be posted, claimed and argued over was, well...a grim, eye-opening glimpse into their ideologies and thought processes. One hard to forget guy kept trying to insist Heather who was hit by the car didn't die from car injuries but heart attack from obesity instead, literally right after it happened. That kinda vibe was consistent across most the posting. Just pure disassociative spite. Washed ashore by tides of haunted anime white girl chibi avatars (autism link possibly there too?) -- TBF, the experience helped learn necessary lessons in who what and how to approach and deal with such ppl, though admittedly curve was a tad steep. Interesting tidbit was seeing guys admit to voting trump just cause they were hoping it'd get back at their ex, assumed liberal, girlfriends or wives. Ah shit this was meant to be short post, need to sleep, sorry!

"Craig, chill!" 😁

Shout out to Craig, the anti-racist dog woofs really were sweet to hear in the background 💕

Excellent episode, encouraged me to pre-order Elle's audio book. I'm a bit disturbed that Julian pronounces the "ch" in Charlottesville as if it were Charleston or something. smh the french

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